Billboard Hot 100: 04/09/2022

[nathanalbright]

Just because we haven't heard of a song or sought it out doesn't make it lacking in legitimacy as a hit. That's one reason why we collect data to make charts in particular. And for another, these charts are week-by-week snapshots of the songs with the biggest consumption, and timing has a lot to do with how big something is on a relative level.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 5, 2022 13:09:25 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

And for another, these charts are week-by-week snapshots of the songs with the biggest consumption, and timing has a lot to do with how big something is on a relative level.

Yes. Out of that I don't think we can assume a song would have the same totals in a current week that it had in a past week. If music consumption of new songs is down in general, why would some former song be exempt from that trend? That's not to say some weeks/months/years aren't slow, but the point is more that we can't know. "Hello" in 2022 wouldn't sell as much digitally as it did in 2015, just because the nature of digital sales has declined.

[lurker2]

Just going to say that the charts are one week snapshots but also mass buying may obscure what the actual biggest song in a given week is, which certainly affected some chart runs in 2019-2021.

[Gary]

I think we can all agree that on chart based on "feelings" will look different than a chart based on measurable statistics.


Until there is a way to accurately measure feelings - that is all we got for a national chart

[inverse]

Apr 5, 2022 8:18:05 GMT -5 Gary said:

Hot 100 = Canada


TW LW 2W WOC TITLE PEAK

52 40 - 3 Thinking With My Dick, Kevin Gates Featuring Juicy J 40
53 53 - 13 If I Was A Cowboy, Miranda Lambert 53
54 43 - 3 Something In The Way, Nirvana 34

I think they forgot about the recurrent rules again...

[rimetm]

"Thinking with My D--k" is being treated as a current, as it's #56 in the US and is having its first burst of popularity from TikTok exposure, a situation that has been allowing songs that would ordinarily be recurrent to be exempt (e.g. "I Love You So", "Tom's Diner", "Just a Cloud Away" now in Bubbling Under). "Something in the Way" being there is a mistake, I agree, as it had to escape Hot 100 Recurrents and went back to it already in the US.

[iHype.]

Apr 5, 2022 15:18:53 GMT -5 rimetm said:

"Something in the Way" being there is a mistake, I agree, as it had to escape Hot 100 Recurrents and went back to it already in the US.

I don’t think so.

Canadian Hot 100 has only existed since 2007. Thus I believe when a song prior to 2007 debuts, it is then allowed to have a full chart run including at positions #51-100.

Mary J. Bilge’s “Family Affair” was allowed to fall to #91 on Canadian Hot 100, the second week following SuperBowl.

Fleetwood Mac’s “Dreams” continued to chart at #51-100 on Canadian Hot 100 even though it was moved to Recurrents from Hot 100 because it already had an original run during release and was past 20 weeks.

billboard.com/charts/hot-100/2020-11-14
Dreams falls off Hot 100, from #33 last week, after 23 weeks on Hot 100.

billboard.com/charts/canadian-hot-100/2020-11-28
Dreams falls to #54 on Canadian Hot 100 in its 7th week.

[312999]

Imagine if the rule was still here where songs would drop out below 50 after 20+ weeks and the dropping out of 25 after 52+ weeks was not implemented.

Songs like Blinding Lights would have had 200 weeks. Maybe even Save Your Tears, Levitating, Stay, and Heat Waves too.

I supposed Blinding Lights is right now somewhere below 50 right now. But yea it would like never get out of the charts.

[rimetm]

Apr 5, 2022 16:01:27 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Mary J. Bilge’s “Family Affair” was allowed to fall to #91 on Canadian Hot 100, the second week following SuperBowl.

This was an error. They continued doing this for a few weeks, then changed a chart after publication to remove “Lose Yourself” and “In da Club”, which were in the bottom 50 at that time.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

What about Dr Dre post-super bowl?

[phieaglesfan712]

Apr 5, 2022 16:06:32 GMT -5 312999 said:

Imagine if the rule was still here where songs would drop out below 50 after 20+ weeks and the dropping out of 25 after 52+ weeks was not implemented.

Songs like Blinding Lights would have had 200 weeks. Maybe even Save Your Tears, Levitating, Stay, and Heat Waves too.

I supposed Blinding Lights is right now somewhere below 50 right now. But yea it would like never get out of the charts.

I think Levitating and SYT wading around in the 16-20 range for months on end after the holiday season is going to force Billboard’s hand in strengthening the 25/52 rule. I wouldn’t be surprised if by next year, if it becomes the 15/52 rule to make it harder for songs like Stay and Heat Waves to re-enter after a holiday season and repeat what Levitating/SYT did this year.

[iHype.]

Apr 5, 2022 16:23:28 GMT -5 rimetm said:

Apr 5, 2022 16:01:27 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Mary J. Bilge’s “Family Affair” was allowed to fall to #91 on Canadian Hot 100, the second week following SuperBowl.

This was an error. They continued doing this for a few weeks, then changed a chart after publication to remove “Lose Yourself” and “In da Club”, which were in the bottom 50 at that time.

Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" also charted at #51-100 on Canadian Hot 100.

It wouldn't make sense that they have let 5+ old songs mistakenly all chart #51-100 (Bohemian Rhapsody, Dreams, Family Affair, Lose Yourself, In Da Club, and now Something In The Way). 

Perhaps if they make this mistake every single time it is not actually a mistake? As for them removing those songs, that could've just been them mistakenly not supposed to be top 100 period because they didn't have enough points.

[enwhy]

Apr 5, 2022 18:15:13 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Apr 5, 2022 16:06:32 GMT -5 312999 said:

Imagine if the rule was still here where songs would drop out below 50 after 20+ weeks and the dropping out of 25 after 52+ weeks was not implemented.

Songs like Blinding Lights would have had 200 weeks. Maybe even Save Your Tears, Levitating, Stay, and Heat Waves too.

I supposed Blinding Lights is right now somewhere below 50 right now. But yea it would like never get out of the charts.

I think Levitating and SYT wading around in the 16-20 range for months on end after the holiday season is going to force Billboard’s hand in strengthening the 25/52 rule. I wouldn’t be surprised if by next year, if it becomes the 15/52 rule to make it harder for songs like Stay and Heat Waves to re-enter after a holiday season and repeat what Levitating/SYT did this year.

This feels likely. I could see them waiting for an opportunity to make the change while it wouldn't affect any charting songs - similar to how they waited until a few months after the BTS shitshow to rewrite the sales rules.

At this point, Levitating and Stay might both end up in the GOAT top 10. While this is a reflection of the way music consumption has changed, it also could raise some eyebrows at Billboard.

[Gary]

Not sure why this continues to be a serious thing.

The Blinding Lights record will likely be broken by a song that is charting now.

To me it is not a surprise that given the current environment songs are staying around longer


And this isn't just a US thing, the Global 200 has 15 songs that have charted a current record 82 weeks. Which tells me if it is good enough and resonates well with people, its gonna hang around.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Apr 5, 2022 13:07:08 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 5, 2022 12:48:54 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

It’s not just Stay, but when you see a song like WDTAB spend 5 weeks at #1, and bigger songs like G4u and Industry Baby spend only one, it just doesn’t feel right. WDTAB’s run feels almost like Kiss Me More (and in fact, KMM’s peak was slightly higher than WDTAB). Don’t get me wrong, I like KMM and hate G4u, but it would have been wrong if KMM spent 5 weeks at #1 and G4u just one.

Perhaps "WDTAB" would be/feel bigger if radio supported it. People heard the song and streamed it and made it a hit; no reason to shade it. It did what it did without a real promotional push and is the definition of an organic hit. If it doesn't "feel" huge, that's literally because it didn't have the usual promotion behind it that hits get. If anything that just shows what a strong hit it actually has been.

Being 13 weeks at #1 in Streaming Songs is the most indicative achievement that shows how popular it has been.

[Gary]

That would suggest my point about "feelings" --- the Hot 100 Pulse crowd are not Disney enthusiasts for the most part. Because it doesn't feel like a big hit to this group obviously does not mean others feel the same way.   13 weeks at #1 means it "feels" like a big hit to someone anyway

[Au$tin]

Apr 5, 2022 13:09:25 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

Just because we haven't heard of a song or sought it out doesn't make it lacking in legitimacy as a hit.

Plaster this is size 30 font, bolded, as the new logo for the site. Maybe then it might start getting through to some people.

[phieaglesfan712]

Don’t get me wrong, WDTAB is a big hit, but it didn’t feel that big such that it got double the weeks at #1 on the streaming chart and only 2 weeks less at #1 on the Hot 100 as the all-time great hit a few months earlier. The lack of competition made WDTAB a bigger hit than it should have been. If Stay had this competition, it may have had almost 30 weeks #1 on both charts.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 6, 2022 9:32:52 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Don’t get me wrong, WDTAB is a big hit, but it didn’t feel that big such that it got double the weeks at #1 on the streaming chart and only 2 weeks less at #1 on the Hot 100 as the all-time great hit a few months earlier. The lack of competition made WDTAB a bigger hit than it should have been. If Stay had this competition, it may have had almost 30 weeks #1 on both charts.

One could also say the lack of competition has allowed "Stay" to chart higher for longer than it otherwise would have.

[Gary]

to Stayfan712

Songs each week are ranked - relative to performance of other songs around it. Would the chart run have been different if BTS conspiracies, recurrency formulas, or it was going up against one song or another ,or those darn Disney fans didn't have streaming accounts - would Stay have its 30 week run at #1 and take its rightful pplace on all time charts up there with Blinding Lights? No way to know for sure.

Each song performs relative to the market conditions of the moment --- switch up those conditions then there is no way to say for sure Stay would have got better numbers. In fact numbers could just as easily be worse - no way to know.

Either way - no worries - 'Stay' will still get all the accolades and its legacy will be what it is

[jaffery]

Apr 6, 2022 9:53:00 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 6, 2022 9:32:52 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Don’t get me wrong, WDTAB is a big hit, but it didn’t feel that big such that it got double the weeks at #1 on the streaming chart and only 2 weeks less at #1 on the Hot 100 as the all-time great hit a few months earlier. The lack of competition made WDTAB a bigger hit than it should have been. If Stay had this competition, it may have had almost 30 weeks #1 on both charts.

One could also say the lack of competition has allowed "Stay" to chart higher for longer than it otherwise would have.

Maybe in the US, but stay is the biggest global song of the 2020s statistically. It's huge in the US but it's even bigger everywhere else

[Choco]

At this point it's safe to say STAY and maybe even Heat Waves will at least get close to Blinding Lights' US run.

I can't see them dropping before overtaking Levitating at the very least.

[atg]

Apr 6, 2022 13:47:55 GMT -5 Choco said:

At this point it's safe to say STAY and maybe even Heat Waves will at least get close to Blinding Lights' US run.

I can't see them dropping before overtaking Levitating at the very least.

I’m predicting Heat Waves will at least barely overtake Levitating while Stay might be somewhere in between Uptown Funk and Shape Of You if the multiplier is lower compared to when BL had its run.

[nathanalbright]

How much of a lower multiplier would you expect?

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Apr 6, 2022 12:57:01 GMT -5 jaffery said:

Apr 6, 2022 9:53:00 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

One could also say the lack of competition has allowed "Stay" to chart higher for longer than it otherwise would have.

but stay is the biggest global song of the 2020s statistically. It's huge in the US but it's even bigger everywhere else

Blinding Lights is still the biggest song, we'll see in a year or two.

[Gary]

Most weeks on Global 200 - 82


Blinding Lights, The Weeknd
Perfect, Ed Sheeran
Dynamite, BTS
Sunflower (Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse), Post Malone & Swae Lee
Believer, Imagine Dragons
Shape Of You, Ed Sheeran
Dance Monkey, Tones And I
Someone You Loved, Lewis Capaldi
Watermelon Sugar, Harry Styles
Don't Start Now, Dua Lipa
Shallow, Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper
Mood, 24kGoldn Featuring iann dior
Circles, Post Malone
Bad Guy, Billie Eilish
Lovely, Billie Eilish & Khalid

[Music Fan]

Apr 6, 2022 16:26:51 GMT -5 Gary said:

Most weeks on Global 200 - 82


Blinding Lights, The Weeknd
Perfect, Ed Sheeran
Dynamite, BTS
Sunflower (Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse), Post Malone & Swae Lee
Believer, Imagine Dragons
Shape Of You, Ed Sheeran
Dance Monkey, Tones And I
Someone You Loved, Lewis Capaldi
Watermelon Sugar, Harry Styles
Don't Start Now, Dua Lipa
Shallow, Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper
Mood, 24kGoldn Featuring iann dior
Circles, Post Malone
Bad Guy, Billie Eilish
Lovely, Billie Eilish & Khalid

The fact that Imagine Dragons and Ed's two 2017 songs are still here 5 years later is impressive.

[gikem]

Apr 6, 2022 16:26:51 GMT -5 Gary said:

Most weeks on Global 200 - 82


Blinding Lights, The Weeknd
Perfect, Ed Sheeran
Dynamite, BTS
Sunflower (Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse), Post Malone & Swae Lee
Believer, Imagine Dragons
Shape Of You, Ed Sheeran
Dance Monkey, Tones And I
Someone You Loved, Lewis Capaldi
Watermelon Sugar, Harry Styles
Don't Start Now, Dua Lipa
Shallow, Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper
Mood, 24kGoldn Featuring iann dior
Circles, Post Malone
Bad Guy, Billie Eilish
Lovely, Billie Eilish & Khalid

For the record, the six bolded songs all appeared on both the inaugural edition of the Global 200 and the corresponding US Hot 100 chart for the week of September 19, 2020.

[atg]

Apr 6, 2022 17:32:32 GMT -5 Music Fan said:

Apr 6, 2022 16:26:51 GMT -5 Gary said:

Most weeks on Global 200 - 82


Blinding Lights, The Weeknd
Perfect, Ed Sheeran
Dynamite, BTS
Sunflower (Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse), Post Malone & Swae Lee
Believer, Imagine Dragons
Shape Of You, Ed Sheeran
Dance Monkey, Tones And I
Someone You Loved, Lewis Capaldi
Watermelon Sugar, Harry Styles
Don't Start Now, Dua Lipa
Shallow, Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper
Mood, 24kGoldn Featuring iann dior
Circles, Post Malone
Bad Guy, Billie Eilish
Lovely, Billie Eilish & Khalid

The fact that Imagine Dragons and Ed's two 2017 songs are still here 5 years later is impressive.

Ed i’m not so surprised about but ID is still the longevity kings a whole decade into their charting success. Enemy might follow suit and stick around the same way in a couple of years too if the trend continues. I also don’t see Post and Billie going away with their songs on here either.

[chartfreak]

Did I miss it...did Harry debut based on the one day of streaming?