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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 30, 2022 13:04:45 GMT -5
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Mar 30, 2022 13:12:22 GMT -5
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Post by 85la on Mar 30, 2022 14:56:38 GMT -5
^ Damn that's really tragic, so young, and he's leaving behind a wife and two very young kids too. He seemed to have kept up hope through the whole ordeal though, and even wrote a book that will be released in July about finding hope in tough situations, so it sounds like that will be inspiring.
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Post by After Minutes on Mar 30, 2022 15:44:19 GMT -5
But why are we assuming that Justin himself could pull a Bieber? Remember, that, aside from Peaches, most of the Justice singles performed pretty poorly and Stay didn't debut at #1. What I think truly matters is less the name recognition of the artist's and more how well the songs actually stick with people. Sweetest Pie won't be the YE #1 not because Dua isn't relevant, but because the song was bad. That is also why Sacrifice was an underperformance - it didn't connect with people the way at least three other songs did during the album drop week. People need to genuinely like a song for it to be a smash with big longevity Um, no, that's just factually inaccurate. I'm by no means a Justin stan, and yes his singles didn't and definitely aren't assured to all debut at #1 and I don't necessarily care too much whether they do or not, but you cannot just ignore Ghost and Holy and say they weren't big top 10 hits, as well as Lonely and Anyone being pretty solid top 40s. And just because Stay didn't "debut at no. 1" we should completely disregard that it's one of the longest-running top 10's of all time and will undoubtedly boost his charting power? I've just seen it time and time again these last couple years, the way some people say he somehow still doesn't have a hugely-successful charting presence is really an alternative facts-level type of denial. Justin Bieber is being used in the context of big debuts, so his singles not being #1 debuts - aside from Peaches - is relevant to the discussion. To shake up the charts, we don't need a solid top 40 hit. We need a series of massive peaks and decent longevity near that peak - and Lonely or Anyone just aren't that. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Mar 30, 2022 16:04:32 GMT -5
I think most people can reasonably agree, though, that Stay would have probably been a #1 debut if not for the BTS mass buying. Stay would have easily been the longest running #1 of 2021 without mass buying, as it would have probably been #1 every week from its debut until Easy On Me with the obvious exception of CLB week. (Aside from that, the only other weeks that were questionable were the IB and My Universe debut weeks.)
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Post by atg on Mar 30, 2022 16:19:32 GMT -5
That isnβt entirely true though. G4U was above it at #2 when Stay debuted at #3. Also why canβt we all just appreciate its run the way it went and not how its supposed to go.
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Post by joshtheking on Mar 30, 2022 16:20:40 GMT -5
I think most people can reasonably agree, though, that Stay would have probably been a #1 debut if not for the BTS mass buying. Stay would have easily been the longest running #1 of 2021 without mass buying, as it would have probably been #1 every week from its debut until Easy On Me with the obvious exception of CLB week. (Aside from that, the only other weeks that were questionable were the IB and My Universe debut weeks.) Are you just pretending G4U doesn't exist as well??? |
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Mar 30, 2022 16:20:47 GMT -5
I think most people can reasonably agree, though, that Stay would have probably been a #1 debut if not for the BTS mass buying. Stay would have easily been the longest running #1 of 2021 without mass buying, as it would have probably been #1 every week from its debut until Easy On Me with the obvious exception of CLB week. (Aside from that, the only other weeks that were questionable were the IB and My Universe debut weeks.) to both of your claims: good 4 u exists |
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Post by kindofbiased on Mar 30, 2022 17:09:08 GMT -5
surprised nobody's posted this yet, very short but gives a good idea of how it'll sound
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Post by Groovy on Mar 30, 2022 18:30:26 GMT -5
I think most people can reasonably agree, though, that Stay would have probably been a #1 debut if not for the BTS mass buying. Stay would have easily been the longest running #1 of 2021 without mass buying, as it would have probably been #1 every week from its debut until Easy On Me with the obvious exception of CLB week. (Aside from that, the only other weeks that were questionable were the IB and My Universe debut weeks.) to both of your claims: good 4 u exists Yeah, Stay debuted at 3, it didnβt even debut higher than Good 4 U so I donβt understand what wo |
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Post by Gary on Mar 30, 2022 19:42:34 GMT -5
The BTS army was also an Olivia Rodrigo fan?
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 30, 2022 20:23:53 GMT -5
surprised nobody's posted this yet, very short but gives a good idea of how it'll sound Reminds me of something, but I can't put my finger on it. Do we know if it samples anything? |
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Post by telso on Mar 30, 2022 20:46:39 GMT -5
surprised nobody's posted this yet, very short but gives a good idea of how it'll sound Reminds me of something, but I can't put my finger on it. Do we know if it samples anything? Kinda reminds me of the beginning of this song: |
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Post by ontopofthis on Mar 30, 2022 23:03:50 GMT -5
Her legacy is undeniable, I'm a huge fan of hers as well. It's just that she often tries to be a current artist with a lot of these tracks she puts out, which there's nothing really wrong with, but it's just that this puts expectations very high, and many here were speculating this would rocket into the top ten or even become her 20th #1. I agree. Although with the current situation in pop music, and streaming data suggesting people are getting more and more interested in listening to past music rather than new hits songs, perhaps some of the old pop stars could have unexpected success by acting like current artists. In the UK last year they had hit songs by Nightcrawlers, Elton John, ATB, Boney M, Colin Hay, Tiesto (who's kind of had hits every few years the whole time, but still), now they have one by Ashanti. And I think having an artist on a song who peaked in a previous era helps with the algorithms, as the people who are listening most to 00's R&B will eventually have the new song with Ashanti credited come up in an AI-compiled playlist, or it will come up on autoplay at some point. And likewise the people who listen to a lot of 90's dance music would have been fed the new songs with Nightcrawlers and ATB credited by the algorithms. And the UK also has 7 old songs in their Spotify top 50 today (Frank Ocean, The Killers, Dave/Fredo, Tom Odell, Arctic Monkeys, Pharrell, Foo Fighters). They're near the bottom, but that's a LOT, something we wouldn't have seen 5 years ago, and they're all for different reasons (it's not just a one-off thing after an award show ceremony, this is becoming the new normal now). The phrase that they use is actually catalogue music, and they have that defined as anything that has been available commercially for at least eighteen months or so. There is a misconception on here that they are referring to The Beatles, Bon Jovi etcetera when they refer to catalogue songs surging in streaming when that is not true. They are referring to Frank Ocean's Lost, All of the J. Cole songs, Kanye West songs, Sweater Weather etcetera that are high on streaming services. Even Blinding Lights is considered a catalogue song at this point, and that is what they mean with that phrase when they speak about catalogue music in American streaming |
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Post by nathanalbright on Mar 31, 2022 0:16:20 GMT -5
Yes, that's quite correct. Anything that falls under the "recurrent" rules is itself a catalog song.
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Post by Ernesto on Mar 31, 2022 6:34:19 GMT -5
That "As It Was" bit immediately reminded me of A-ha's "Take on Me."
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 31, 2022 8:34:06 GMT -5
That "As It Was" bit immediately reminded me of A-ha's "Take on Me." Same! I have another question about the "Big Energy" remix. The remix won't be the credited version on the Hot 100. If the remix sold more than the original version, will that version get the credit on Digital Sales or does the album version get credited everywhere? |
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 31, 2022 9:13:03 GMT -5
Oh no we don't need another Take on Me cover
In general, all those 80s replicas need to go.
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Post by renfield75 on Mar 31, 2022 9:45:51 GMT -5
The phrase that they use is actually catalogue music, and they have that defined as anything that has been available commercially for at least eighteen months or so. There is a misconception on here that they are referring to The Beatles, Bon Jovi etcetera when they refer to catalogue songs surging in streaming when that is not true. They are referring to Frank Ocean's Lost, All of the J. Cole songs, Kanye West songs, Sweater Weather etcetera that are high on streaming services. Even Blinding Lights is considered a catalogue song at this point, and that is what they mean with that phrase when they speak about catalogue music in American streaming That's true about more recent recurrents but decades old music is also thriving. Look at the Billboard 200 any given week and you'll see Fleetwood Mac, Queen, Elton John, Nirvana, Michael Jackson, Hall & Oates, Journey, Sublime, Guns N'Roses, Bob Marley, and yes, the Beatles and Bon Jovi. And that's not just because of vinyl sales. Older listeners are finally coming around to streaming and younger listeners are getting into older artists. |
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Post by gikem on Mar 31, 2022 9:54:41 GMT -5
Looking forward to all the expected fake releases and radio pushes tomorrow. Itβs not like a ton else has happened in these first 3 months of the year.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 31, 2022 9:55:36 GMT -5
^In general, it's older male acts. Not surprising, but would be nice to see some variety.
Not into Harry Styles much, though a chart shakeup with new blood is overdue, so I hope it does very well.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Mar 31, 2022 10:08:01 GMT -5
I think most people can reasonably agree, though, that Stay would have probably been a #1 debut if not for the BTS mass buying. Stay would have easily been the longest running #1 of 2021 without mass buying, as it would have probably been #1 every week from its debut until Easy On Me with the obvious exception of CLB week. (Aside from that, the only other weeks that were questionable were the IB and My Universe debut weeks.) to both of your claims: good 4 u exists Okay, Iβll concede the first point. But even then, the second point is valid. Even if G4u beat out Stay in Stayβs debut week, there is no scenario where G4u finishes with more weeks at #1 than Stay (or even Easy On Me). Stayβs debut week was G4uβs 9th week on the chart, and its final one with more than 300 charting points. It was unlikely G4u was spending any more weeks at #1 after that, mass buying or not. (No way G4u was beating songs like Stay and IB after that.) Also, keep in mind, that Stay had 13 more weeks with 300+ charting points after its debut week. Even if you account for the CLB week and the My Universe debut, Stay would have finished with 11 weeks at #1 without mass buying. That still beats Easy On Me and G4u. No matter how you slice the cake, Stay was bigger than G4u (this argument was settled on Pulse about 6 months ago, and I donβt want to beat this dead horse again). |
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Post by leoapp on Mar 31, 2022 10:24:00 GMT -5
Not "Stay being bigger than G4U"
Current Hot 100 top 10s are already stagnant.
So, no need to bring a 6 months old topic again.
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Post by Gary on Mar 31, 2022 10:52:43 GMT -5
to both of your claims: good 4 u exists Stay was bigger than G4u (this argument was settled on Pulse about 6 months ago, and I donβt want to beat this dead horse again). I know I can count on daily updates on how 'Stay' was robbed of one statistic or another or Stay's legacy on all time charts |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Mar 31, 2022 11:31:05 GMT -5
US Spotify - 03/30/22
1(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 897,182 (+23,925)
2(=) Carolina GaitΓ‘n - La Gaita, Mauro Castillo, Adassa, Rhenzy Feliz, Diane Guerrero, Stephanie Beatriz, Encanto Cast - We Don't Talk About Bruno 658,646 (+1,288)
3(=) Kodak Black - Super Gremlin 652,207 (+11,389)
4(=) The Kid LAROI - STAY 644,793 (+19,096)
5(=) Imagine Dragons - Enemy 595,503 (+15,569)
6(=) Lil Nas X - INDUSTRY BABY 594,098 (+14,254)
7(=) Drake - Knife Talk 552,851 (-1,994)
8(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 542,277 (+5,259)
9(+2) Doja Cat - Woman 540,680 (+14,038)
10(-2) The Walters - I Love You So 540,634 (-6,465)
Machine Gun Kelly - mainstream sellout
27(+1) make up sex 424,099 (+3,811)
28(-6) maybe 422,185 (-22,481)
70(-10) emo girl 321,393 (-13,440)
104(-13) ay! 285,297 (-11,519)
178(-47) drug dealer 236,146 (-21,216)
188(-49) fake love don't last 231,921 (-20,768)
Total Streams: 1,921,041 (-22%)
Others:
11(+1) Justin Bieber - Ghost 529,190 (+9,791)
13(=) Doja Cat - Need to Know 516,081 (+9,750)
14(-4) Yahritza Y Su Esencia - Soy El Unico 504,293 (-28,779)
15(=) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 496,493 (+11,636)
16(+1) Dove Cameron - Boyfriend 490,490 (+14,325)
17(+4) Elton John, Dua Lipa - Cold Heart (PNAU Remix) 483,230 (+17,848)
18(-2) Gunna, Future - pushin P 477,697 (+164)
19(+1) Arctic Monkeys - 505 472,988 (+3,103)
20(-1) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 472,218 (-2,260)
21(-3) Nirvana - Something In The Way 463,544 (-12,413)
23(+2) Ed Sheeran - Shivers 447,542 (+14,832)
24(=) GAYLE - abcdefu 439,606 (+2,255)
25(+1) AnnenMayKantereit, Giant Rooks - Tom's Diner 430,044 (+7,614)
26(+1) Yeat - MonΓ«y so big 428,060 (+6,359)
29(=) Frank Ocean - Lost 416,583 (+4,759)
31(+6) Camila Cabello - Bam Bam 413,127 (+17,780)
32(=) Elley DuhΓ© - MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 411,408 (+8,558)
33(-3) Jessica Darrow - Surface Pressure 410,543 (-119)
35(-1) Becky G, KAROL G - MAMIII 402,579 (+1,402)
37(-2) Tyler the Creator - See You Again 400,500 (+712)
38(+2) Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug 399,571 (+10,863)
39(=) Adele - Easy On Me 398,008 (+7,878)
41(=) Jack Harlow - Nail Tech 387,841 (+1,665)
42(-4) Kevin Gates - Thinking with My Dick 386,351 (-4,955)
43(=) Post Malone - One Right Now 379,796 (+11,420)
44(=) Tate McRae - she's all i wanna be 372,228 (+3,909)
45(+1) Tyler the Creator - NEW MAGIC WAND 366,555 (-725)
46(+1) Lil Durk - Broadway Girls 365,173 (+681)
48(-3) Pharrell Williams - Just a Cloud Away 362,310 (-5,176)
49(=) The Rare Occasions - Notion 357,470 (+2,201)
50(+1) WILLOW - Wait a Minute! 355,631 (+4,228)
52(+5) Dua Lipa - Levitating 347,116 (+10,230)
53(+2) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 345,620 (+3,482)
54(+7) Latto - Big Energy 345,490 (+13,822)
55(-1) BoyWithUke - IDGAF 343,069 (-142)
59(+4) Megan Thee Stallion, Dua Lipa - Sweetest Pie 334,189 (+5,650)
61(+6) Lauren Spencer-Smith - Fingers Crossed 330,643 (+8,922)
62(+7) Charlie Puth - Light Switch 329,860 (+9,947)
63(-11) Tyler the Creator - Come On, Let's Go 328,727 (-22,264)
66(-2) Beach House - Space Song 324,342 (+214)
67(+5) 4*TOWN (From Disney and Pixarβs Turning Red), Jordan Fisher, Finneas O'Connell, Josh Levi, Topher Ngo, Grayson Villanueva - Nobody Like U 324,062 (+5,973)
69(-4) Gunna - P power 321,455 (-2,208)
71(+8) Anitta - Envolver 320,566 (+9,478)
72(+2) lil Shordie Scott - Rocking A Cardigan in Atlanta 319,492 (+2,743)
76(+10) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 317,157 (+10,949)
77(-27) Tate McRae - chaotic 316,575 (-35,308)
79(+3) The Neighbourhood - Softcore 314,493 (+4,467)
80(=) Ruth B. - Dandelions 313,978 (+676)
82(+7) TiΓ«sto, Ava Max - The Motto 312,688 (+9,416)
85(-2) Juice WRLD - Sometimes 309,191 (+676)
86(+2) SZA - I Hate U 307,277 (+1,784)
88(-3) Stephanie Beatriz, Olga Merediz, Encanto Cast - The Family Madrigal 304,235 (-2,727)
89(+1) Gunna - Banking On Me 303,158 (+606)
91(+14) Foo Fighters - Everlong 299,560 (+18,215)
95(-8) Lil Durk - What Happened To Virgil 297,796 (-7,798)
100(-4) Labrinth - Mount Everest 287,744 (-1,641)
102(-3) Playboi Carti - Sky 286,472 (-1,144)
112(-2) Nardo Wick - Me or Sum 278,697 (+1,597)
114(-2) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 277,149 (+1,314)
115(-4) Vundabar - Alien Blues 273,049 (-3,052)
133(-1) Cody Johnson - 'Til You Can't 258,819 (+1,720)
139(-4) Labrinth, Zendaya - I'm Tired 255,539 (+1,578)
140(-6) Morgan Wallen - Sand in My Boots 255,393 (+703)
142(+11) Yeat - Poppin 253,533 (+4,844)
143(-13) Lucky Daye - Over 253,268 (-4,331)
146(-1) Juice WRLD - Cigarettes 252,646 (+1,340)
149(-6) Lil Durk - AHHH HA 251,041 (-950)
150(-4) Russ - HANDSOMER Remix 249,944 (-1,228)
154(+8) Jaymes Young - Infinity 245,887 (+4,945)
158(+18) Rauw Alejandro, Chencho Corleone - Desesperados 244,192 (+7,536)
161(+6) ERNEST - Flower Shops 241,867 (+2,261)
167(+17) Imagine Dragons - Bones 240,487 (+7,855)
169(-9) Diane Guerrero, Stephanie Beatriz - What Else Can I Do? 240,280 (-1,476)
175(+16) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 237,286 (+7,140)
176(+5) JID - Surround Sound 236,931 (+2,949)
177(+5) King Von, 21 Savage - Don't Play That 236,897 (+2,937)
183(-19) Nigo, Lil Uzi Vert - Heavy 233,914 (-6,344)
189(-1) JVKE - this is what falling in love feels like 231,844 (+538)
190(-12) Gucci Mane - Rumors 231,270 (-3,815)
191(+4) Tyga, Doja Cat - Freaky Deaky 230,555 (+2,577)
192(=) Joy Again - Looking Out for You 229,700 (+269)
194(re-entry) J Balvin, Ed Sheeran - Sigue 229,469
195(-10) Vacations - Young 229,392 (-2,954)
197(DEBUT) Kehlani - up at night 228,364
Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 514,435
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Mar 31, 2022 12:05:24 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates Β« 2022 Β» / Β« 03 Β» / Β« 31 Β»
1(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 89.01(+0.01)
2(=) The Kid Laroi & Justin Bieber - Stay 81.25(-0.11)
3(=) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 80.01(+0.15)
4(=) Doja Cat - Woman 77.65(+0.28)
5(=) Justin Bieber - Ghost 75.29(-0.21)
6(=) Latto & Mariah Carey - Big Energy (Remix) [feat. DJ Khaled] 70.80(-0.14) -
7(=) Imagine Dragons - Enemy From League Of Legends 68.69(+0.64) +
8(=) GAYLE - abcdefu (feat. Royal & the Serpent) 66.03(-0.80)
9(=) Post Malone & The Weeknd - One Right Now 57.79(+0.07)
10(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 56.82(+0.24)
47(+1) Tate McRae - she's all i wanna be 24.04(+0.64)
63(+3) Jnr Choi - To The Moon 19.43(+0.66)
-(-) Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug 12.22(+0.71) -(-) J Balvin & Ed Sheeran - Forever My Love 7.93(+1.43)
-(-) J Balvin & Ed Sheeran - Sigue 7.04(+1.13)
-(-) Daddy Yankee - Remix 2.60(+2.11) + -(-) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 2.19(+0.79) +
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Mar 31, 2022 12:23:37 GMT -5
I have to admit while I still don't care for the song, the fact there's that a sapphic song is a big hit on streaming and is getting airplay is something I really like
(potentially dicey) Question: what was the last top 40 hit that was explicitly about gay love between a woman? (and before anyone says them: I Kissed a Girl and Girl Crush are NOT about gay love. IKAG explicitly says "don't mean I'm in love tonight" and Girl Crush is really just about jealousy that her ex is with another woman)
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Mar 31, 2022 12:37:12 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates Β« 2022 Β» / Β« 03 Β» / Β« 31 Β»
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Post by enwhy on Mar 31, 2022 12:49:36 GMT -5
(potentially dicey) Question:Β what was the last top 40 hit that was explicitly about gay love between a woman? (and before anyone says them: I Kissed a Girl and Girl Crush are NOT about gay love. IKAG explicitly says "don't mean I'm in love tonight" and Girl Crush is really just about jealousy that her ex is with another woman) Cool for the Summer maybe? |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Mar 31, 2022 13:03:03 GMT -5
(potentially dicey) Question: what was the last top 40 hit that was explicitly about gay love between a woman? (and before anyone says them: I Kissed a Girl and Girl Crush are NOT about gay love. IKAG explicitly says "don't mean I'm in love tonight" and Girl Crush is really just about jealousy that her ex is with another woman) Cool for the Summer maybe? Yeah I asked in another server and they also said CFTS. I guess it's coded enough to be a song about same sex love between women |
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