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Post by Waveyβ¨οΈ on Oct 14, 2022 5:56:47 GMT -5
I mean the narrative wouldn't change either way in TWITTERLAND if thier conversation didn't expand
How about neither song is considered π That'll teach them.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Oct 14, 2022 6:26:12 GMT -5
I think on one hand, Nicki is right. "Big Energy" and "Super Freaky Girl" are both Dr. Luke-produced, sample-heavy pop-rap songs. Treating them differently is a weird move on the Recording Academy's part. On the other, I agree with Latto, in that Nicki has been hostile and subtweeting the girl for months, and it looks like she wanted to address in privately with Nicki because she's not trying to feud with her idol. So why is Nicki dragging her into this & sharing screenshots of her texts to throw some shade? Who does that help? And finally, I'm not understanding why Nicki is all up in arms about this. She's dragged the Grammys so many times over the years, I'm surprised she even submits her stuff tbh. Why does she still care about them when they paid her best work dust? Cardi B winning rap album on her first try must have stung her real bad. It feels like she's still insecure and severely threatened by the up and coming women in hip hop, when there really isn't any reason for her to act this way. The way she talked about "awards these days are trying to reward new artist when they don't deserve it" in her live gave me the ick. At this point Nicki Minaj's feud list length is neck and neck with Azalea Banks'. She's a whole industry veteran acting like a D-list nobody trying to cling on to fame every which way they can. And all this for songs as BASIC and UNINSPIRED as Super Freaky Girl & Big Energy? puhlease. Edit: oh and the Grammys are an industry award. the more bridges she burns, the less likely she becomes to receive an award, perhaps that's why new rap girls are getting rewarded more easily... not that Nicki operates by logic. All of this. Nicki will find a way to sh*t on her own moments every single time. Gotta admire her consistency.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 14, 2022 7:10:49 GMT -5
I think on one hand, Nicki is right. "Big Energy" and "Super Freaky Girl" are both Dr. Luke-produced, sample-heavy pop-rap songs. Treating them differently is a weird move on the Recording Academy's part. On the other, I agree with Latto, in that Nicki has been hostile and subtweeting the girl for months, and it looks like she wanted to address in privately with Nicki because she's not trying to feud with her idol. So why is Nicki dragging her into this & sharing screenshots of her texts to throw some shade? Who does that help? And finally, I'm not understanding why Nicki is all up in arms about this. She's dragged the Grammys so many times over the years, I'm surprised she even submits her stuff tbh. Why does she still care about them when they paid her best work dust? Cardi B winning rap album on her first try must have stung her real bad. It feels like she's still insecure and severely threatened by the up and coming women in hip hop, when there really isn't any reason for her to act this way. The way she talked about "awards these days are trying to reward new artist when they don't deserve it" in her live gave me the ick. At this point Nicki Minaj's feud list length is neck and neck with Azalea Banks'. She's a whole industry veteran acting like a D-list nobody trying to cling on to fame every which way they can. And all this for songs as BASIC and UNINSPIRED as Super Freaky Girl & Big Energy? puhlease. Edit: oh and the Grammys are an industry award. the more bridges she burns, the less likely she becomes to receive an award, perhaps that's why new rap girls are getting rewarded more easily... not that Nicki operates by logic. All of this, though it shows as much as some acts act like they don't care and the Grammys are irrelevant, they really do care. The people you see show out are the ones who don't get noms/wins, which just shows they're butt hurt. Anyway I can't with Nicki being upset Latto didn't congratulate her? My god she is something else.
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Post by Troublemaker on Oct 14, 2022 7:47:31 GMT -5
Here I was thinking Nicki might actually get her flowers at the Grammys. Interesting times I tell you.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Oct 14, 2022 8:00:27 GMT -5
And finally, I'm not understanding why Nicki is all up in arms about this. She's dragged the Grammys so many times over the years, I'm surprised she even submits her stuff tbh. Why does she still care about them when they paid her best work dust? Cardi B winning rap album on her first try must have stung her real bad. It feels like she's still insecure and severely threatened by the up and coming women in hip hop, when there really isn't any reason for her to act this way. The way she talked about "awards these days are trying to reward new artist when they don't deserve it" in her live gave me the ick. yeah, I'm surprised too tbh. You know their opinion on rewarding your music and you still care about them...I mean, I can understand, she's a very talented artist, music is her job and she wants to get recognition for it, but at this point, she's beating a dead horse. People would be 100% on her side if she only posted it once on Twitter, ofc without mentioning Latto. She would prove that the academy definitely has something against her, now the main story isn't about the grammys anymore, it's about their feud.
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Post by Waveyβ¨οΈ on Oct 14, 2022 8:54:58 GMT -5
Idk about the 100% Twitter ppl. They already have a narrative when she initially spoke about the article about SFG's consideration being moved.
We all have opinions, not shitting on anyone's opinion on here.
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Post by kimberly on Oct 14, 2022 12:57:07 GMT -5
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Post by Music Fan on Oct 14, 2022 13:05:31 GMT -5
Ok, but Nicki really making all this fuss about a song that isn't even Grammy material. Poor Nicki. :|
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Post by Waveyβ¨οΈ on Oct 14, 2022 14:13:30 GMT -5
Good thing we aren't on the committee.
I remember Drake having qualms after he won HB in a Rap category. Tyler, The Creator too when he won Best Rap Album for the Pop album he did.
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Post by The Music Man on Oct 14, 2022 14:42:02 GMT -5
Good thing we aren't on the committee. I remember Drake having qualms after he won HB in a Rap category. Tyler, The Creator too when he won Best Rap Album for the Pop album he did. Bingo. The Grammys have gotten in their own way more often than necessary, but they also canβt win for losing when this generation of artists takes such a mercurial, entitled approach toward the process. Every year more artists seem to throw fits and with the exception of The Weeknd, very few can objectively say they were treated wrongfully. Itβs old. With that said, Red (TV) belongs nowhere near AOTY. Youβd think sheβd realize that winning that award would set her up for a major backlashβ¦Iβm not sure why she submitted at all.
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Post by Choco on Oct 14, 2022 14:54:40 GMT -5
Tbh when artists have to take themselves out of consideration because of optics, we all lost. Silk Sonic didn't want to be a "safe" choice for AOTY and y'all want Red out of consideration because it would look bad if it won? None of these arguments even mention quality of the music... by that logic Adele needs to drop out because she already beat BeyoncΓ© once.
We need a Recording Academy that's willing to make good choices without artists having to drop out of the race because of optics.
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Post by The Music Man on Oct 14, 2022 15:11:21 GMT -5
Tbh when artists have to take themselves out of consideration because of optics, we all lost. Silk Sonic didn't want to be a "safe" choice for AOTY and y'all want Red out of consideration because it would look bad if it won? None of these arguments even mention quality of the music... by that logic Adele needs to drop out because she already beat BeyoncΓ© once. We need a Recording Academy that's willing to make good choices without artists having to drop out of the race because of optics. Agree on your overall point, and I actually donβt think it should have been necessary for Silk Sonic to recuse themselves from the nomination process (although a show of self-awareness from Bruno is generally welcome). My specific issue with Red is that the reference album has literally been nominated for AOTY before. Yes, I know about the βFrom The Vaultβ tracks and special messages and all the rest, and for the record, I like the new version. (Itβs also worth noting that before Beyonce stopped overtly playing the game, she/her team scored a number of dubious nominations β dare I mention the βMe, Myself & I (Live)β nomination in 2009 or the βHalo (Live)β nomination a year after the recorded version won Best Female Pop Vocal?). But Taylor winning AOTY this year would be a different animal, and for the sake of everyone involved, Iβd rather it not happen.
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Post by Choco on Oct 14, 2022 15:39:07 GMT -5
I actually liked the "I won't resubmit my albums for consideration on updated form" stance but I think that was just PR talk because they were pushing evermore instead of Fearless TV.
I love the album and wouldn't be mad at it popping up but I understand your point. I think Taylor clearly still cares very much about Grammys and RED losing back in the day was a big deal for her (it pivoted her into full on Pop with 1989). In the old 5 nominees days she probably wouldn't have a chance (specially since actual new album evermore reportedly barely made the cut last year on a 10 nominees field).
I'm lowkey glad Silk Sonic took themselves out too. I think Bruno is overrewarded and some times like LTDO and 24k Magic sweeping made me roll my eyes.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 14, 2022 16:19:51 GMT -5
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Post by Nasarati on Oct 14, 2022 20:00:26 GMT -5
I don't have a horse in this race, but I will say, it was extremely entertaining from the perspective of an outsider to see Latto go blow-for-blow with Nicki on Twitter and come out looking like the hero.
I agree with Nicki's foundational point that it's weird that Big Energy will be considered for rap and not Super Freaky Girl, but wow, she still managed to come out of this looking like the villain. From an image perspective, I guess it's easy to seem like a heroic, ill-treated underdog when you're an up-and-comer and it's industry titan Nicki Minaj breathing down your neck.
Anyhow, the fact this is all just about SUBMISSIONS and not even nominations ends me.
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Post by keatonzab on Oct 16, 2022 10:45:36 GMT -5
SabrinaFan, Sabrina Carpenter's Submissions: emails i can't send - AOTY, Pop Vocal because i liked a boy - ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo, MV
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 16, 2022 11:14:00 GMT -5
I wonder if Brandi Carlile was allowed to submit in the americana categories or if she was moved to pop again.
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Post by keatonzab on Oct 16, 2022 12:20:33 GMT -5
(other submissions from goldderby) Gayle: ABCDEFU - ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo a study of the human experience, vol 1: AOTY, Pop Vocal
Jax: Victoria's Secret - ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo
Zendaya: Rue's I'm Tired - Visual Media Elliot's Song - Visual Media
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Encanto: Encanto (OST) - AOTY, Soundtrack, Engineered Album We Don't Talk About Bruno - ROTY, SOTY, Pop Duo/Group, Visual Media
Conan Gray: Memories - ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo, MV Heartache - AOTY, Pop Vocal BNA
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 16, 2022 13:51:44 GMT -5
I actually liked the "I won't resubmit my albums for consideration on updated form" stance but I think that was just PR talk because they were pushing evermore instead of Fearless TV. I love the album and wouldn't be mad at it popping up but I understand your point. I think Taylor clearly still cares very much about Grammys and RED losing back in the day was a big deal for her (it pivoted her into full on Pop with 1989). In the old 5 nominees days she probably wouldn't have a chance (specially since actual new album evermore reportedly barely made the cut last year on a 10 nominees field). I'm lowkey glad Silk Sonic took themselves out too. I think Bruno is overrewarded and some times like LTDO and 24k Magic sweeping made me roll my eyes. It's wild to me that someone who'd won AOTY would see a loss in AOTY as a "big deal" and would not be chasing a fourth AOTY to make up for it in some way when artists like Mariah and Beyonce haven't even won AOTY one time. I agree with Choco that artists pulling out due to potential optics is not good, but I also think the Grammys have a right to recognize whatever they want. It's an industry award. I also think it should be noted that Silk Sonic pulling out means the people who worked on the album with them - producers, arrangers, etc - can't get recognition. AOTY acknowledges a lot of people, not just the artist.
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Post by Waveyβ¨οΈ on Oct 16, 2022 17:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 18, 2022 20:40:13 GMT -5
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Post by shayonce on Oct 20, 2022 1:23:17 GMT -5
lol at her posting like that.. like..????
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Post by kimberly on Oct 24, 2022 3:44:01 GMT -5
HITS DAILY DOUBLE prediction for ROTY/SOTY locks:
β’ Easy On Me β’ Break My Soul β’ The Heart Part 5 β’ As It Was β’ All Too Well (10 Minute Version)
that's a pretty solid list for locks.
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Post by Waveyβ¨οΈ on Oct 25, 2022 17:32:59 GMT -5
Mmmmhmmmm.
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Post by Choco on Oct 26, 2022 9:39:04 GMT -5
It's wild to me that someone who'd won AOTY would see a loss in AOTY as a "big deal" and would not be chasing a fourth AOTY to make up for it in some way when artists like Mariah and Beyonce haven't even won AOTY one time. That's Taylor Swift for ya lol. She has talked in the past about how RED losing AOTY and reputation getting little to no love hurt her. She cares way too much for someone who has gotten a lot of these already.
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Post by Nasarati on Oct 30, 2022 15:41:35 GMT -5
Honestly, Nevermind is a critically-reviled stinker that could never sniff at a single win. This is just self-defense masquerading as a statement.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 4, 2022 7:05:06 GMT -5
H,N definitely had a mixed reception from his fanbase. But it's no more critically reviled than most of his discography. It had better reviews than his last three albums for instance.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 10, 2022 10:39:37 GMT -5
The nominations are in five days! I need to put together my predictions!!
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Post by Caviar on Nov 10, 2022 12:59:10 GMT -5
Canβt wait for the meltdowns!
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Post by keatonzab on Nov 10, 2022 14:49:02 GMT -5
Could this be the year BTS finally wins Pop Duo/Group?
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