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Post by wavey. on Jul 12, 2024 14:28:00 GMT -5
20/100 Chile that tired ass review🙄 It's not even that deep for a simple positive song but alright! Let that woman have fun damn.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Jul 12, 2024 15:18:15 GMT -5
20/100 Chile that tired ass review🙄 It's not even that deep for a simple positive song but alright! Let that woman have fun damn. It’s this part for me! As underwhelmed as I was on my first listen, primarily due to the high expectations I had, the song has certainly grown on me. It’s lyrically trite in the age of 2024 but it manages to still be catchy and fun. That review feels personal and entirely unprofessional to me; that much energy was not needed.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 12, 2024 16:58:50 GMT -5
I am loving the imagery (covers primarily) this era and also am loving the other clips I've heard from the album. I just feel 143 is gonna deliver as an album in terms of quality even if chart-wise the first single doesn't and so I'm still pumped for the album.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jul 12, 2024 17:08:18 GMT -5
All that slow social media build of goodwill just to release a lame song that was a clear-as-day PR disaster, and now she’s the punching bag. Again. yeah, she was in such a great place before this mess, it's really sad to see...and we can't blame the hair again.
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Post by Maximillian on Jul 12, 2024 17:24:20 GMT -5
I am loving the imagery (covers primarily) this era and also am loving the other clips I've heard from the album. I just feel 143 is gonna deliver as an album in terms of quality even if chart-wise the first single doesn't and so I'm still pumped for the album. That’s how I feel. Even though I’m stunned at the lack of awareness around the lead single, I am highly optimistic for the clips I’ve heard.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jul 12, 2024 17:31:33 GMT -5
Woman’s World is such a confusing choice all around. The material is clearly there. Several of these other clips are FIRE. WW will be a one and done listen for me, but I’m actually excited for the album.
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Post by Choco on Jul 12, 2024 20:25:11 GMT -5
It's not a simple positive song when it's about Woman empowerment but made by mostly men including one alleged sexual offender, and the video serves a bunch of cliches that were tired a decade ago. It's very deeply rooted in hypocrisy and honestly a little desperation (going back to a formula that worked in her heyday down to themes and producers).
It's just such a confusing choice all around.
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Post by iHype. on Jul 12, 2024 20:49:55 GMT -5
Katy has always had good intentions but is bad with executing them and perhaps tone deaf at times. Pretty much was the entire issue with the Witness era.
The combination of A. Kesha/Luke case being resolved in court with little noise B. Multiple big artists working with Luke and experiencing success with relatively minimal pushback C. Nostalgic adoration of Teenage Dream era on social media with the consensus being missing "classic Katy with black hair and Pop anthems"
All lead her to be naive and think that re-uniting with Dr. Luke would go relatively well and wouldn't be perceived as insensitive. I don't think she truly had bad intentions or thought it'd come off so distastefully. If she simply didn't give two shits then she would've continued working with Luke on Witness/Smile to begin with and never specifically moved away from working with him for a decade while things were still developing and playing out in court.
She meant well but at the end of the day she without a doubt miscalculated. I think people going as far to make her out as an overall bad person (and labelling her stuff like an abuser enablist) and writing her off completely is harsh though.
Going back to the song though -- "Woman's World" is such a weak song though regardless of anything, and it is rather confusing that this had to be the song to roll out the return plan with.
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Post by Juanca on Jul 12, 2024 22:02:58 GMT -5
Agree It’s just so confusing I guess it fits right in with the world right now. Waiting for this to become Jill Biden’s anthem…
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 13, 2024 1:23:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I just don't see Katy being as sympathetic or as considerate as some might believe she was in repairing with Dr. Luke. Part of me would like to *think* she'd be a better woman than that, but she also has a history of being inconsiderate/stepping on toes to get what she wants whether it be the cultural appropriation situations, tricking the contestant out of his first kiss, suing the nuns, exposing the male model in the "Teenage Dream" shoot to her friends, groping Justin Bieber and Shawn Mendez without their consent etc. I'm not arguing she's a bad person, but no way she didn't know exactly what she was doing working with Dr. Luke when she was absolutely astutely aware of the whole thing and was likely prepped about potential backlash from her publicist and team. She just was willing to completely overlook the entire situation with Kesha and all the accusations against him in hopes it wouldn't get too much coverage, she could squeak by unnoticed, and it would give her a huge hit. She was mistaken. It's not a good look any way you slice it. This entire ordeal just shows me that she really didn't learn what she needed to with the whole Witness debacle when she was clearing struggling with her mental health and direct hit to her ego. Despite her supposed realizations of what's really important during the Smile era, which I really genuinely believed, her ego (need and desire to be on top once again) has led her right into the fire of disastrous consequences once again (the universe does have a way of teaching us lessons twice if we don't get it the first time around). I love her music and aspects of her personality, but I think she's certainly got a darker side to her character.
With all that said, she'll be fine regardless. I just hope she truly learns something this go around (if she ends up "flopping" again) and focuses more on making genuinely good music instead of trying to hit it big again which is so clearly where her mind is at this era. I don't think it's healthy for any artist to tie their worth to their success. She didn't even need Dr. Luke and in the end her "savior" became the very person who f**ked her over in the end.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jul 13, 2024 1:37:16 GMT -5
It hasn’t even been 24 hours yet and people are foaming at the mouth at cancelling her for eternity.
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Post by Ty on Jul 13, 2024 2:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by wavey. on Jul 13, 2024 7:01:14 GMT -5
It hasn’t even been 24 hours yet and people are foaming at the mouth at cancelling her for eternity. Called that shit a few pages ago before the song dropped. It is what it is. 🤷🏾 She was definitely hinting at a tour. I enjoyed the Witness tour stop wjr15
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 13, 2024 7:51:18 GMT -5
She's gonna be fine, she's just not likely gonna have the commercial reception she desired. Once the album drops and people hear more than "WW" she'll get love for sure. I'm hoping they honestly move on from "WW" as fast as possible and throw out one of the much better songs (honestly pretty much everything from what I heard was better) and stifle this fire before it burns the whole era down. Personally I'm just dying to hear "Gorgeous" and "Lifetimes" in full. Those both sound like bops to my ears anyway. lol And a tour?! That would be hugely successful for sure. She knows how to put on a good show and her tours always do really well! If she can get a successful tour in that will give some good will to the era for sure!
On a semi-unrelated note I saw an astrology reader/psychic on TikTok look at her chart placement and say that her "leo energy" (in whichever placement) is yearning for public recognition currently (which I got the feel of from her lives and vibes as of late) and that she's at a teachable moment of life simultaneously while being at a period where everyone is going to be hypocritical of everything she does/says, which strangely is all checking out. I didn't expect the general reaction would be anywhere near this bad tbh.
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Post by schnetzka on Jul 13, 2024 8:00:23 GMT -5
I've already seen people say they won't check out the album now that they've heard "Woman's World". Again, was it the best song? No. But to base an entire album off of one song is strange to me.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 13, 2024 8:05:18 GMT -5
I've already seen people say they won't check out the album now that they've heard "Woman's World". Again, was it the best song? No. But to base an entire album off of one song is strange to me. Well it's their loss because she has some absolute bangers on there from what I heard.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jul 13, 2024 8:47:39 GMT -5
Every single moment of this was 100% predictable, which is the saddest and most baffling part. This era is all an uphill battle from here.
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Post by wavey. on Jul 13, 2024 8:51:17 GMT -5
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 13, 2024 8:54:00 GMT -5
But people did stream "Never Really Over"? Didn't it reach top 10 on Spotify and have good longevity? I agree had she released a song of the quality of "NRO" it would've been embraced with open arms. I kinda wish it could be Cruel Summered. lol
ETA: Yeah "Never Really Over" has nearly 700 million streams. lol
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 13, 2024 9:40:59 GMT -5
I hope she uses this time to go back into the studio to record bridges for all her songs.
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Post by balletgirlmom on Jul 13, 2024 9:49:46 GMT -5
Sept 20 is such a long way off. I guess the good thing is she has weeks and weeks and weeks of Presales so her sales numbers will all count for week one. Katy should get an easy #1 her first week just with all the physical sales building up until Sept 20-26. I'm sure she will do lots of promo too to drive sales up and up and up.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 13, 2024 9:53:24 GMT -5
Listening to Smile (Album) to remind myself that Katy can still make good music. Such a perfect album from start to finish and the public paid her dust. They were making up for it hyping up this era, and then Katy blew it with a lazy ChatGPT song, that had a tamer Swish Swish video. So disappointing
Can we all just pretend the last few days didn’t happen and Katy scream “sike” and re-release What Makes A Woman? An amazing female empowerment song. It’s short but doesn’t feel incomplete, good lyrics, a good use of spoken lyrics. Ugh :( I also feel awful for Katy. She’s probably not in a good place right now, but I’m confused by how her or her team couldn’t see any of this coming
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Post by schnetzka on Jul 13, 2024 10:12:04 GMT -5
Can we all just pretend the last few days didn’t happen and Katy scream “sike” and re-release What Makes A Woman? An amazing female empowerment song. It’s short but doesn’t feel incomplete, good lyrics, a good use of spoken lyrics. Unless I am misremembering, I feel like a lot of people also didn't like "What Makes a Woman". Katy really cannot win.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 13, 2024 10:25:28 GMT -5
Can we all just pretend the last few days didn’t happen and Katy scream “sike” and re-release What Makes A Woman? An amazing female empowerment song. It’s short but doesn’t feel incomplete, good lyrics, a good use of spoken lyrics. Unless I am misremembering, I feel like a lot of people also didn't like "What Makes a Woman". Katy really cannot win. Yeah, I think I’m one of the few who did. Not sure what people didn’t like about it
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 13, 2024 11:17:33 GMT -5
"What Makes A Woman" is a solid/fine album cut, but never would've made a good single. lol
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Post by spiritboy on Jul 13, 2024 11:35:20 GMT -5
I don't think this era is salvagable. If the album flops (it will imo), she should stay away from public eye for a few years and come back with different sound and image. I doubt she can sell out a world tour at this point.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Jul 13, 2024 11:35:53 GMT -5
But people did stream "Never Really Over"? Didn't it reach top 10 on Spotify and have good longevity? I agree had she released a song of the quality of "NRO" it would've been embraced with open arms. I kinda wish it could be Cruel Summered. lol ETA: Yeah "Never Really Over" has nearly 700 million streams. lol Right, something like NRO would have been perfect. Alongside everything that's been said already, it feels like she's trying to jump back to an era that just doesn't exist anymore. For music and for her.
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Post by Choco on Jul 13, 2024 11:37:45 GMT -5
I don't think this era is salvagable. If the album flops (it will imo), she should stay away from public eye for a few years and come back with different sound and image. I doubt she can sell out a world tour at this point. She just took a 4 year break and it didn't help. She should just make music she likes and try to finally evolve her sound she'll always have a fanbase. The #1 days have ended for her tho unless something suddenly goes viral (MRO pls)
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 13, 2024 11:37:46 GMT -5
II doubt she can sell out a world tour at this point. I dunno about this. Her Witness tour was VERY successful and it was on the back of the lowest point of her career.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Jul 13, 2024 11:39:18 GMT -5
I don't think this era is salvagable. If the album flops (it will imo), she should stay away from public eye for a few years and come back with different sound and image. I doubt she can sell out a world tour at this point. She just took a 4 year break and it didn't help. She should just make music she likes and try to finally evolve her sound she'll always have a fanbase. The #1 days have ended for her tho unless something suddenly goes viral (MRO pls) Mmmmmever really over.
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