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Post by Anticonformity on Jul 15, 2024 0:55:18 GMT -5
"Katy Perry revealed that she wants to make 4/5 music videos for the album 143" 1 2 3 4 5 Also, the way it's written, it sounds like she wants to make 4/5's of a music video which is better than 0/5 she did for WW
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Jul 15, 2024 2:33:38 GMT -5
Okay but that second picture…is that an alternate album cover?! Because that’s somehow better than the standard cover, and that one itself ate!
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Post by weaver on Jul 15, 2024 5:43:47 GMT -5
Yeah, plus Jennifer was being decimated across social media for months prior to her tour. Katy may be receiving some backlash currently, but it hasn't reached those levels yet (thankfully). Oh but it will Once the critics find out 90% of the album was produced by Luke lmao Im sooooo here for Katy’s downfall This is strange. Did Katy Perry do something to you? Why would you "root for her downfall"? I get that people here don't like that she worked with Dr. Luke, especially on a supposed women's empowerment song. But I'm not sure Joe 6 Pack even knows who Dr. Luke is? Were it not for the reviews bringing it up, people would know nothing. Regardless, I am not sure why some people are are gleefully rooting for her to fail. Poor choice to work with Dr. Luke? Perhaps, or almost certainly, but maybe she was thinking more along the lines of they have established a working relationship and he will not mess with her.
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Post by PGriffin on Jul 15, 2024 7:59:22 GMT -5
Oh but it will Once the critics find out 90% of the album was produced by Luke lmao Im sooooo here for Katy’s downfall This is strange. Did Katy Perry do something to you? Why would you "root for her downfall"? I get that people here don't like that she worked with Dr. Luke, especially on a supposed women's empowerment song. But I'm not sure Joe 6 Pack even knows who Dr. Luke is? Were it not for the reviews bringing it up, people would know nothing. Regardless, I am not sure why some people are are gleefully rooting for her to fail. Poor choice to work with Dr. Luke? Perhaps, or almost certainly, but maybe she was thinking more along the lines of they have established a working relationship and he will not mess with her. Very strange on many levels. Why the Katy hate train when none of the other females he worked with have received any backlash...in fact a couple of those songs were major hits. I will never understand why people root for others to fail especially someone who they don't know.
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Post by wjr15 on Jul 15, 2024 9:33:35 GMT -5
Trying to rank the snippets from what we’ve heard so far:
1. Gimme Gimme 2. Nirvana 3. Gorgeous 4. Lifetimes *Woman’s World* 5. I’m His, He’s Mine
1-4 are all way better than Woman’s World and restored my faith in this project. The only one I’m not feeling yet is “I’m His, He’s Mine” but we’ll see if that changes after we get the full song.
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Post by bat1990 on Jul 15, 2024 9:44:42 GMT -5
Extended Version for those who wish to hear a different take.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Jul 15, 2024 16:11:54 GMT -5
This is not a "different take." It's just the same song with a slightly longer intro. It doesn't change the quality of the original at all. That would require a different instrumental and a bridge.
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Post by Caviar on Jul 15, 2024 18:47:47 GMT -5
The extended version is even better. YES!
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Post by wwr on Jul 15, 2024 18:54:52 GMT -5
This is strange. Did Katy Perry do something to you? Why would you "root for her downfall"? I get that people here don't like that she worked with Dr. Luke, especially on a supposed women's empowerment song. But I'm not sure Joe 6 Pack even knows who Dr. Luke is? Were it not for the reviews bringing it up, people would know nothing. Regardless, I am not sure why some people are are gleefully rooting for her to fail. Poor choice to work with Dr. Luke? Perhaps, or almost certainly, but maybe she was thinking more along the lines of they have established a working relationship and he will not mess with her. Very strange on many levels. Why the Katy hate train when none of the other females he worked with have received any backlash...in fact a couple of those songs were major hits. I will never understand why people root for others to fail especially someone who they don't know. Don’t know what sites you go to, but both Kim Petras and Doja Cat received backlash for working with Dr Fluke
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Post by avamaxstan on Jul 15, 2024 19:18:25 GMT -5
This is strange. Did Katy Perry do something to you? Why would you "root for her downfall"? I get that people here don't like that she worked with Dr. Luke, especially on a supposed women's empowerment song. But I'm not sure Joe 6 Pack even knows who Dr. Luke is? Were it not for the reviews bringing it up, people would know nothing. Regardless, I am not sure why some people are are gleefully rooting for her to fail. Poor choice to work with Dr. Luke? Perhaps, or almost certainly, but maybe she was thinking more along the lines of they have established a working relationship and he will not mess with her. Very strange on many levels. Why the Katy hate train when none of the other females he worked with have received any backlash...in fact a couple of those songs were major hits. I will never understand why people root for others to fail especially someone who they don't know. Here we go again with the "but... but what about _____?!" If you can't figure out why global megastars Kim Petras or Latto working with him didn't garner the same backlash as Katy Perry... then I would say stay in school!
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Post by wavey. on Jul 15, 2024 20:35:12 GMT -5
Now we're not going to insult anyone's intelligence when it comes to knowing the effects on working with Luke(whether positive or negative)..cause everyone isn't keen on the situations! Be fair!
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Post by Dammn Baby on Jul 15, 2024 21:46:13 GMT -5
This is strange. Did Katy Perry do something to you? Why would you "root for her downfall"? I get that people here don't like that she worked with Dr. Luke, especially on a supposed women's empowerment song. But I'm not sure Joe 6 Pack even knows who Dr. Luke is? Were it not for the reviews bringing it up, people would know nothing. Regardless, I am not sure why some people are are gleefully rooting for her to fail. Poor choice to work with Dr. Luke? Perhaps, or almost certainly, but maybe she was thinking more along the lines of they have established a working relationship and he will not mess with her. Very strange on many levels. Why the Katy hate train when none of the other females he worked with have received any backlash...in fact a couple of those songs were major hits. I will never understand why people root for others to fail especially someone who they don't know. I think the distinction is that Katy Perry is incredibly wealthy and a free agent, and could literally have hired any producer she wanted to produce her lead and album. Instead, she displayed zero creative growth and chose to work with the abuser (who abused her so-called friend) because he made hits with her all those years ago. To add insult to injury, they made a song that sounds like it was a leftover from 2010. In contrast, some of those other women were contractually obligated to work with him, while still others are literally married to rapists (and defend pedophiles) - so we wouldn't necessarily expect better from them. So, yeah, this was a CHOICE. And it was fucking lazy on her part. But then, she clearly doesn't have the musical talent or vision to innovate, or we would have had a course correction since 2017.
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Post by PGriffin on Jul 16, 2024 6:11:00 GMT -5
Very strange on many levels. Why the Katy hate train when none of the other females he worked with have received any backlash...in fact a couple of those songs were major hits. I will never understand why people root for others to fail especially someone who they don't know. Don’t know what sites you go to, but both Kim Petras and Doja Cat received backlash for working with Dr Fluke Ok.....you are right, I did see some backlash about Kim and it was mentioned when it came to Doja so I retract that "any backlash statement" but the Katy backlash seems bigger. I mean how many rapists etc are there in the music industry? I'm just saying it seems much more with her. It feels like if this was a surefire hit then people would care less about who the producer was (see the hits from Latto and Doja). I'm not excusing rapists here and I'm not a big Katy fan or Katy cat but just seems like backlash is bigger for her. Very strange on many levels. Why the Katy hate train when none of the other females he worked with have received any backlash...in fact a couple of those songs were major hits. I will never understand why people root for others to fail especially someone who they don't know. Here we go again with the "but... but what about _____?!" If you can't figure out why global megastars Kim Petras or Latto working with him didn't garner the same backlash as Katy Perry... then I would say stay in school! lol ok Very strange on many levels. Why the Katy hate train when none of the other females he worked with have received any backlash...in fact a couple of those songs were major hits. I will never understand why people root for others to fail especially someone who they don't know. Instead, she displayed zero creative growth and chose to work with the abuser (who abused her so-called friend) because he made hits with her all those years ago. To add insult to injury, they made a song that sounds like it was a leftover from 2010. So, yeah, this was a CHOICE. And it was fucking lazy on her part. But then, she clearly doesn't have the musical talent or vision to innovate, or we would have had a course correction since 2017. SO it seems like THIS is the issue here because if she popped out with a Say something or Big Energy then people wouldn't care as much? Like you said, it's Katy Perry so why wouldn't she go back to the person who produced her biggest hits. My thing is if you are going to hold one person to this standard then do the same across the board.
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 16, 2024 8:00:36 GMT -5
Instead, she displayed zero creative growth and chose to work with the abuser (who abused her so-called friend) because he made hits with her all those years ago. To add insult to injury, they made a song that sounds like it was a leftover from 2010. So, yeah, this was a CHOICE. And it was fucking lazy on her part. But then, she clearly doesn't have the musical talent or vision to innovate, or we would have had a course correction since 2017. SO it seems like THIS is the issue here because if she popped out with a Say something or Big Energy then people wouldn't care as much? Like you said, it's Katy Perry so why wouldn't she go back to the person who produced her biggest hits. My thing is if you are going to hold one person to this standard then do the same across the board. This was a wild perspective to have to me before this all got started but I don't know how you see all that's happening with her on social media and the song bombing and still wonder why she wouldn't go back to this person, even though a dozen-plus people on this very thread predicted exactly this happening. Because it was always going to.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 16, 2024 8:09:31 GMT -5
Here we go again with the "but... but what about _____?!" If you can't figure out why global megastars Kim Petras or Latto working with him didn't garner the same backlash as Katy Perry... then I would say stay in school! lol ok Also, aside from the glaringly obvious fact Katy is a much bigger star than either Kim Petras or Doja, these artists all have completely different audiences/bases who would all be likely to react much differently to working with a man like Dr. Luke. A pop star's audience isn't going to react the same as a rap/urban/rhythmic/country/rock star's audience. I mean, all received some sense of pushback, but it's really not a stretch to see why Katy's is the biggest. "if you're going to hold one to that standard, hold them all"...well good luck with that. People don't generally move like that collectively. They're hypocritical, biased, and love a good double standard.
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Post by PGriffin on Jul 16, 2024 8:26:39 GMT -5
SO it seems like THIS is the issue here because if she popped out with a Say something or Big Energy then people wouldn't care as much? Like you said, it's Katy Perry so why wouldn't she go back to the person who produced her biggest hits. My thing is if you are going to hold one person to this standard then do the same across the board. This was a wild perspective to have to me before this all got started but I don't know how you see all that's happening with her on social media and the song bombing and still wonder why she wouldn't go back to this person, even though a dozen-plus people on this very thread predicted exactly this happening. Because it was always going to. She isn't the most artistic etc etc so it probably made sense for her to go back to the producer who gave her the hits. Plus, he gave others hits recently so I'm sure it made sense for her, I'm sure if it was a good song then things would have been different. In the end the strategy didn't work.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 16, 2024 8:37:37 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bonnie McKee was right there all along and if Katy were gonna return to her roots (for a female empowerment anthem no less) she would have been the obvious and far better choice. Need I remind people of the magic they created together: "California Girls" "Teenage Dream" "Last Friday Night" "Part Of Me" "Wide Awake" "Roar" "Birthday" "Legendary Lovers" "Ghost" Granted one is a songwriter and one is a producer, but I know Bonnie has an ear just as good if not better than Katy's for good pop music and she could have turned out some anthemic melodies for any other solid producer out there to amplify! I mean those songs are a good chunk of her best work!
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Jul 16, 2024 11:43:48 GMT -5
Took it upon myself to do some cleanup on this page, since double-posting (let alone, TRIPLE posting) is against Pulse rules. Please be mindful of this going forward, especially when the only reason for posting is a glib "lol ok". Oh God. I went down a Katy rabbit hole for this album and stumbled upon PopJustice, where Goldsoundz is fighting a one-man defense of Katy Sooo @ Goldsoundz outing himself as a dupe by reporting me for this post, LOLOL. Pure comedy! I mean, if you are going to come for me and risk being exposed, at least have a legitimate reason instead of just hitting the report button because you feel triggered. I'm interested to see if Katy can survive the deafening roar of backlash to post at least decent numbers for this album. I feel like more is riding on a second single than usual, so she and her team better deliver. We know you have better than Woman's World in you, Katy!
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Post by avamaxstan on Jul 16, 2024 13:52:46 GMT -5
SO it seems like THIS is the issue here because if she popped out with a Say something or Big Energy then people wouldn't care as much? Like you said, it's Katy Perry so why wouldn't she go back to the person who produced her biggest hits. My thing is if you are going to hold one person to this standard then do the same across the board. It's really very simple. Katy Perry is one of the biggest popstars of the past two decades and (still) has a huge fanbase of liberal-leaning women and gays who are very engaged and activated on these issues. She and Kesha also shared a significant fanbase overlap in their heyday. Unlike the mostly C-list and non-factor artists that Luke has been working with the past several years, by scoring Katy Perry's big hyped comeback album, she's helping to bring him back onto the industry A-list and return some of his legitimacy. It was obvious to anyone with pop culture literacy that the backlash would be disastrous for Katy if she did this, it's quite perplexing how no one at her label stepped in.
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Post by wavey. on Jul 16, 2024 14:35:22 GMT -5
Has she expressed disinterest with Capitol or no? Imo, she should've went the Miley route , and sign with a new label. Fresh start of sorts.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jul 16, 2024 18:02:36 GMT -5
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Post by Dammn Baby on Jul 17, 2024 5:56:47 GMT -5
Don’t know what sites you go to, but both Kim Petras and Doja Cat received backlash for working with Dr Fluke Ok.....you are right, I did see some backlash about Kim and it was mentioned when it came to Doja so I retract that "any backlash statement" but the Katy backlash seems bigger. I mean how many rapists etc are there in the music industry? I'm just saying it seems much more with her. It feels like if this was a surefire hit then people would care less about who the producer was (see the hits from Latto and Doja). I'm not excusing rapists here and I'm not a big Katy fan or Katy cat but just seems like backlash is bigger for her. Here we go again with the "but... but what about _____?!" If you can't figure out why global megastars Kim Petras or Latto working with him didn't garner the same backlash as Katy Perry... then I would say stay in school! lol ok Instead, she displayed zero creative growth and chose to work with the abuser (who abused her so-called friend) because he made hits with her all those years ago. To add insult to injury, they made a song that sounds like it was a leftover from 2010. So, yeah, this was a CHOICE. And it was fucking lazy on her part. But then, she clearly doesn't have the musical talent or vision to innovate, or we would have had a course correction since 2017. SO it seems like THIS is the issue here because if she popped out with a Say something or Big Energy then people wouldn't care as much? Like you said, it's Katy Perry so why wouldn't she go back to the person who produced her biggest hits. My thing is if you are going to hold one person to this standard then do the same across the board. You omitted the relevant part of my comment, which is that (unlike her peers) she chose to return to working with an abuser despite having all the resources and the freedom to make other choices.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Jul 17, 2024 16:52:53 GMT -5
I read a rumor that they are going with the second single, Lifetimes, next month. Is this true?? If so, good call.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 17, 2024 20:11:01 GMT -5
I read a rumor that they are going with the second single, Lifetimes, next month. Is this true?? If so, good call. Ngl, I'm here for it. I genuinely loved "Lifetimes" and "Gorgeous"! It gives me the same hands up, summery, fun 90s vibe as "Walking On Air".
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Jul 18, 2024 2:01:42 GMT -5
I read a rumor that they are going with the second single, Lifetimes, next month. Is this true?? If so, good call. Ngl, I'm here for it. I genuinely loved "Lifetimes" and "Gorgeous"! It gives me the same hands up, summery, fun 90s vibe as "Walking On Air". While I genuinely feel like Walking On Air is a C+ song, it doesn't offend me. Lifetimes sounds stronger - production-wise and lyrically - from the clip I heard, so I think it would be a good choice. I am really curious what the other songs sound like. Goldsoundz scared me over on PopJustice by saying the majority of the album is more in the vein of Woman's World (though he did cite Lifetimes too, which was a relief).
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 18, 2024 7:40:32 GMT -5
Ngl, I'm here for it. I genuinely loved "Lifetimes" and "Gorgeous"! It gives me the same hands up, summery, fun 90s vibe as "Walking On Air". While I genuinely feel like Walking On Air is a C+ song, it doesn't offend me. Lifetimes sounds stronger - production-wise and lyrically - from the clip I heard, so I think it would be a good choice. I am really curious what the other songs sound like. Goldsoundz scared me over on PopJustice by saying the majority of the album is more in the vein of Woman's World (though he did cite Lifetimes too, which was a relief). Did you like "Gimme Gimme" or "Nirvana" or any of the other clips?
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Post by spiritboy on Jul 18, 2024 7:59:45 GMT -5
So what if the second single is also produced by Dr.Luke? Will people boycott that one as well?
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 18, 2024 9:24:26 GMT -5
So what if the second single is also produced by Dr.Luke? Will people boycott that one as well? What? We thinking Katy has a backlash kink?
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Post by Choco on Jul 18, 2024 10:30:20 GMT -5
So what if the second single is also produced by Dr.Luke? Will people boycott that one as well? People did not necessarily care about Luke per se but once the song came out it was easy for everyone to point that out because: 1) the song was middling so it was easy to point out the flaws (unlike Say So or Kiss Me More where the songs were so catchy no one could resist). 2) The feminist message is rather dumb when coming from an alleged sexual abuser. So it draws more atrention into the producers. If this song was the second coming of Dark Horse then there would have been some arguments and posts about it but everyone would have still streamed.
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