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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 10, 2024 10:23:45 GMT -5
There’s literally no label backing at all. No playlisting, no radio push. I’m not sure what they’re thinking. Capitol just seems like an absolutely terrible label.
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Post by Nick on Aug 10, 2024 10:40:16 GMT -5
She might as well be an independent artist.
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Post by wavey. on Aug 10, 2024 10:42:18 GMT -5
There’s literally no label backing at all. No playlisting, no radio push. I’m not sure what they’re thinking. Capitol just seems like an absolutely terrible label. Any other label would've shown her love cause idk what they are doing lol...or maybe she doesn't care about that at this point besides the online fan support🤷🏾
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 10, 2024 10:47:38 GMT -5
I mean, WW got a pretty big push, but it was pretty disastrous all together and now they just...ditch the entire project? Lifetimes partially feels like it was a panic release after WW bombed, but why even bother without a plan to push it? They need a careful pivot, not just dumping a song out with a quickie cheap video.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 10, 2024 10:58:14 GMT -5
I mean, WW got a pretty big push, but it was pretty disastrous all together and now they just...ditch the entire project? Lifetimes partially feels like it was a panic release after WW bombed, but why even bother without a plan to push it? They need a careful pivot, not just dumping a song out with a quickie cheap video. which brings me to think it's just a promo single, but that strategy is stuck in the ice ages. Didn't she say there would be 3 singles before the album release? So that means one more just thrown out there in the next month with no promo. The last time a strategy like that worked was with Blinding Lights/Heartless, otherwise artists don't typically release promo singles anymore with zero push? Maybe I'm wrong. but if this is indeed single #2, then Capitol is just a terrible label and Katy should leave them asap.
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Post by zdm1998 on Aug 10, 2024 13:09:35 GMT -5
Honestly I’d just scrap the era at this point. Lifetimes is a better song than WW, but it’s all just getting a no from the public.
Ideally she’d scrap and come back Q1 next year with a new producer (honestly don’t know why she couldn’t have just gone with Max Martin), and something more interesting lyrically, and try to re launch. Cause the public has already written whatever this era was going to be, off. I honestly think a strong ballad could work in her favor right now. Something “Wide Awake” esq
It doesn’t help the label has zero focus on playlisting in the streaming age.
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Post by The First Lady Of Coco on Aug 10, 2024 13:23:06 GMT -5
Its time for growth from Katy. She is still stuck in 2010 with generic beats, frivolous and basic lyrics. Katy has more to offer. The world didn't agree but I enjoyed her more urban inspired tracks! They are fun. I think with the onslaught of newer pop girls who are equally thin voiced are making more interesting music nowadays and she isn't exactly competing with them with tracks like the first two . With Driver license Rodrigo girl, Chapel Rowan, Sabrina etc it's harder sell . She has to bring new elements to her music to achieve a comeback. The lyrics from a woman world that five people wrote are elementary tbh, as much as in not a Taylor fan she has lyrics even to her basic tracks. Its time for Katy to step up her game or I'm afraid she is done commercially speaking
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 10, 2024 13:34:20 GMT -5
Honestly I’d just scrap the era at this point. Lifetimes is a better song than WW, but it’s all just getting a no from the public. Ideally she’d scrap and come back Q1 next year with a new producer (honestly don’t know why she couldn’t have just gone with Max Martin), and something more interesting lyrically, and try to re launch. Cause the public has already written whatever this era was going to be, off. I honestly think a strong ballad could work in her favor right now. Something “Wide Awake” esq It doesn’t help the label has zero focus on playlisting in the streaming age. Scrap the era? Hell no. I want the album that’s full of bops. Scrap the idea of releasing songs with zero promo behind them? Yes.
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Post by wjr15 on Aug 10, 2024 13:49:07 GMT -5
They’re not going to scrap the era because all of the physical product that has been produced. But I can see them moving on quickly after dropping the album if no song is hitting.
WW did hurt the era but I have no clue why they’re not pushing another single right now. WW is dead on streaming and radio and if they want to salvage the era, they need to push something. I hope this isn’t gonna be another era where they drop an album with no active single. If so, then Katy needs to leave Capitol.
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Post by clsvltn on Aug 10, 2024 14:15:32 GMT -5
Yeah, there is no way they are just cancelling the era now lol. But wow it isn't looking good. I still enjoy both songs though
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Post by zdm1998 on Aug 10, 2024 14:55:02 GMT -5
Honestly I’d just scrap the era at this point. Lifetimes is a better song than WW, but it’s all just getting a no from the public. Ideally she’d scrap and come back Q1 next year with a new producer (honestly don’t know why she couldn’t have just gone with Max Martin), and something more interesting lyrically, and try to re launch. Cause the public has already written whatever this era was going to be, off. I honestly think a strong ballad could work in her favor right now. Something “Wide Awake” esq It doesn’t help the label has zero focus on playlisting in the streaming age. Scrap the era? Hell no. I want the album that’s full of bops. Scrap the idea of releasing songs with zero promo behind them? Yes. The promo is a problem this era, but the gp has already wrote this era off. Lifetimes made it to #3 on iTunes and is already quickly falling off. And the streaming isn’t there either, which could be blamed due to the lack of playlisting, but even without it, should be getting higher.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 10, 2024 14:58:51 GMT -5
Scrap the era? Hell no. I want the album that’s full of bops. Scrap the idea of releasing songs with zero promo behind them? Yes. The promo is a problem this era, but the gp has already wrote this era off. Lifetimes made it to #3 on iTunes and is already quickly falling off. And the streaming isn’t there either, which could be blamed due to the lack of playlisting, but even without it, should be getting higher. It’s not playlisted at all or sent to radio. How is it supposed to get any exposure to the GP?
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Post by popwizard on Aug 10, 2024 15:36:34 GMT -5
Her pop career is over. She hasn’t had a hit in ages. Even true legacy/contemporary acts like Beyonce don’t have radio or streaming success that comes easy but she still does numbers because she has a huge fan base and general public appeal, and she has grown as an artist to bring in new fans and retain her existing ones.
Katy fails on all metrics. She’s still chasing formulaic radio hits that are stuck in 2010s at this point in her career. Let’s be honest here. It’s not the labels fault - her Stan base is non-existent and the general public hasn’t been here for her since Dark Horse.
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Post by Choco on Aug 10, 2024 15:54:01 GMT -5
They pushed the first single very hard what are y'all talking about??? It got noticed, the target audience knew it was dropping and it's probably the song with the most articles I've seen this year on news sites. Making up excuses because it wasn't on one (1) big Spotify playlist? They even had a remix EP ready week 1. It even made top 20 on Pop out of pure label "deal$".
Naturally said push is gonna dry down for subsequent releases. Every project gets a budget and nothing WW did warranted a budget increase for the next singles. The budget is wisely spent on getting the album out and the tour now which is what's gonna give Katy and the label their return on investment anyways.
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Post by wavey. on Aug 10, 2024 18:06:55 GMT -5
Who else that is currently hot is signed to Capitol?
My sis needed that Miley/Columbia treatment. She was hitting moderate numbers before signing with Columbia. Got her a lasting #1 hit, another Top 10 hit, and a #1 platinum album.
Has Katy ever expressed issues with her label?
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Post by avamaxstan on Aug 10, 2024 19:38:53 GMT -5
The topic title still saying “coming to SLAY!” has me cackling way more than it should
I wonder if it’s even going to debut in the top 20 Billboard at this point…
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 10, 2024 21:28:37 GMT -5
The topic title still saying “coming to SLAY!” has me cackling way more than it should Maybe it means she will begin to slay that very day and not a minute earlier.
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Post by AmazDrag on Aug 10, 2024 21:56:43 GMT -5
Honesty, as someone who really enjoyed a good portion of Smile I feel as though this era is very uninspired and rushed. She use to have quirky lyrics with more memorable hooks. The fact that these songs have multiple writers and are so thoughtless and boring is pretty sad.
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Post by pnobelysk on Aug 11, 2024 1:24:57 GMT -5
I think Katy needs an introspective ballad of pure honesty where she tackles the mistakes she’s made . She royally screwed up with this dr luke / Kesha stuff. And the audience most likely to be seeking her music out isn’t here for it . I don’t hate her, but she seems devoid of any awareness. Ditch the gimmicks. Give us her version of praying.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 11, 2024 8:56:18 GMT -5
My hate for Dr. Luke is reaching new levels. Like, you get Katy Perry back after all these years and you give her...Women's World? Lifetimes? They aren't terrible, but they clearly sound like 2012 album tracks. He couldn't do better? Bring some fire for her? Like, what was the point of the bad press if the songs aren't among her best ever?
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 11, 2024 9:00:19 GMT -5
Imagine the $$$$ the Doctor has got from this...and created nothing in return. The whole project is beyond bizarre on so many levels.
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Post by Nick on Aug 11, 2024 10:31:20 GMT -5
Hits or not, I’m looking forward to her new album.
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Post by schnetzka on Aug 11, 2024 11:08:28 GMT -5
"LIFETIMES" is stuck in my head. So much better than "WOMAN'S WORLD" (and I even liked the chorus of that song).
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Post by haven on Aug 11, 2024 12:08:53 GMT -5
My hate for Dr. Luke is reaching new levels. Like, you get Katy Perry back after all these years and you give her...Women's World? Lifetimes? They aren't terrible, but they clearly sound like 2012 album tracks. He couldn't do better? Bring some fire for her? Like, what was the point of the bad press if the songs aren't among her best ever? this is exactly what baffles me about the people who were claiming that katy somehow "needed" dr luke for a comeback. When was the last time dr luke produced something of value? He doesn't have a spotless track record anymore, its not 2010, and his beats in the last 4 years have ALWAYS sounded dated. Had katy hired an upcoming producer things would've likely played out differently...
I mean, the cover screams "hyperpop". You could've at least gotten ag cook on *one* song.
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Post by Choco on Aug 11, 2024 12:22:35 GMT -5
She had interesting stuff on Smile that she should have explored more. The reason people always rave about HIH is that it was a good sound for her. It also helped that the video wasn't goofy.
They apparently deliberately went for the 2010s sound by design. I just don't think the screams of "we want Teenage Dream Katy back" meant going 100% back to the sound - it hasn't rebounded commercially after people tired of it towards the middle of that decade. The music is also kinda faceless. Anyone could have done a Woman's World - for a second there everyone was doing that type of song... and this new song is about her daughter? It could literally be about anything, a lover, a friend... it lacks a little bit of personality.
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Post by Juanca on Aug 11, 2024 15:14:16 GMT -5
I like Lifetimes more than WW as it has more hooks and better melody, but still feels a bit underwhelming. Plus that video was totally forgettable Btw, I’m confused at how L and WW are considered going back to TD? The sounds are so NOT Teenage Dream. TD singles were much more 80s pop than dance like these two singles. And in terms of dance pop, I’d rather have stuff like 365 or When I’m Gone.
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Post by PerPlexied on Aug 12, 2024 8:36:36 GMT -5
How has an album I've gone from anticipating so highly begun to absolutely annoy me? Katy and her team have made miscalculations worse than Terrance Howard. Even the image preview for the Lifetimes video is tragic. Nothing makes sense.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 12, 2024 10:16:44 GMT -5
How has an album I've gone from anticipating so highly begun to absolutely annoy me? Katy and her team have made miscalculations worse than Terrance Howard. Even the image preview for the Lifetimes video is tragic. Nothing makes sense. It’s like they let YouTube pick 3 thumbnails and they chose the best of the 3.
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Post by ObhiDonna on Aug 12, 2024 10:44:37 GMT -5
I think Katy needs an introspective ballad of pure honesty where she tackles the mistakes she’s made . She royally screwed up with this dr luke / Kesha stuff. And the audience most likely to be seeking her music out isn’t here for it . I don’t hate her, but she seems devoid of any awareness. Ditch the gimmicks. Give us her version of praying. Lol, will never happen. A person who goes back to work with someone like Puke (for whatever goddamn business reasons), does not have the mental and emotional capacity to reflect back. I am annoyed that Katy turned out to be an individual like that.
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Post by j54 on Aug 12, 2024 11:29:45 GMT -5
Casual fan for years and dropping in to say that Lifetimes is just… not it and disappointing. Feels very phoned in and incomplete. Go listen to Walking on Air then Lifetimes right behind it… this just ain’t it. Bummed.
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