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Post by renfield75 on Jun 22, 2022 19:53:03 GMT -5
Well 1 single doesn't really bring in that much money. More so, it's amazing the song hit #1 considering the label Divine was on and how the group didn't have much in general going for them. People really responded to the song (it went #1 in sales months before it peaked at Top 40), which makes it more of a shame the song is forgotten in a general sense. I mean it does make sense for sure, especially when the follow-up single and album weren't hits and promoting those two probably absorbed most the profit. That's just surprising to see a label/business go that downward so quick. In general R&B singles sold a lot during the 90s without the need of Top 40 support so that isn't surprising either. That was the same year The Boy Is Mine, Too Close, Nice & Slow, etc were dominating Hot 100 due to heavy sales. I also wonder if the song was heavily discounted. That was common with enticing people to buy a single from a new/developing artist they didn't care for normally. Which would also then make the label losing money and the song having relatively good sales make even more sense. I actually bought the cassette single for "Lately" back in '98. I don't remember if it was discounted but I'm pretty sure it wasn't 49 cents or anything like that. But even at full price one million-selling single probably wouldn't have been enough to keep an entire label afloat. |
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Post by iHype. on Jun 22, 2022 20:07:36 GMT -5
I mean it does make sense for sure, especially when the follow-up single and album weren't hits and promoting those two probably absorbed most the profit. That's just surprising to see a label/business go that downward so quick. In general R&B singles sold a lot during the 90s without the need of Top 40 support so that isn't surprising either. That was the same year The Boy Is Mine, Too Close, Nice & Slow, etc were dominating Hot 100 due to heavy sales. I also wonder if the song was heavily discounted. That was common with enticing people to buy a single from a new/developing artist they didn't care for normally. Which would also then make the label losing money and the song having relatively good sales make even more sense. I actually bought the cassette single for "Lately" back in '98. I don't remember if it was discounted but I'm pretty sure it wasn't 49 cents or anything like that. But even at full price one million-selling single probably wouldn't have been enough to keep an entire label afloat. Their second single peaked at #29 on Hot 100, due almost entirely to sales (#16 on Sales & N/A on Radio) which leads me to believe they had their singles discounted since they were so relatively unknown selling so much and also their album flopped despite their singles being sales-driven. Discounting was a store-by-store basis thing ofcourse though. They could've been sold full priced at some retailers and discounted at others. This is the case for any 90s physical single so yeah we'll obviously never know for sure the full picture. |
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Post by shayonce on Jun 22, 2022 21:29:13 GMT -5
"Break My Soul generated around 5m streams domestically its first full day at DSPs."
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Post by atg on Jun 22, 2022 21:50:33 GMT -5
Wait For U is back to #3 and Break My Soul is at #4 now. The former would not give these songs a break on AM. Jimmy Cooks might be #1 on the hot 100 after all if its still that strong.
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Post by 85la on Jun 22, 2022 22:10:52 GMT -5
How does a record label go from having a Hot 100 #1 to dissolving in less than a year? And how did American Idol let someone who had a Hot 100 #1 be a contestant?? 1) No idea. I read an article about the label being in the midst of bankruptcy just as Divine was seeing mainstream success. Everything, seemingly, crashed and burned soon after. 2) Perhaps the rules were different on American Idol at the time, or the judges knew who she was but didn’t care. Here she is, auditioning in 2007. She got through to the last of three Hollywood rounds, just before the live shows, but didn’t make it. Her name is Kia Thornton - she sings on the intro for “Lately” as well as the entire first verse” m.youtube.com/watch?v=_thrfzRFIpYWow, that video proves it, but that is still VERY shocking, because I'm pretty sure that at least at one time you weren't allowed to be on the show if you previously had a record deal. And even if this rule wasn't exactly in place the season Kia auditioned, it still makes a lot of sense, because you can't have someone on these shows, which are meant to showcase the best undiscovered talent in America and launch them to fame, who previously already had a bit of fame, and a Hot 100 #1 to boot! I don't know about that whole season, but at least in that clip they didn't mention she was from Divine, so I think in her case, most people wouldn't know or probably forgot about her, so they thought they could get away with trying to conceal that, but it really is kind of fraudulent. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Jun 22, 2022 22:17:07 GMT -5
1) No idea. I read an article about the label being in the midst of bankruptcy just as Divine was seeing mainstream success. Everything, seemingly, crashed and burned soon after. 2) Perhaps the rules were different on American Idol at the time, or the judges knew who she was but didn’t care. Here she is, auditioning in 2007. She got through to the last of three Hollywood rounds, just before the live shows, but didn’t make it. Her name is Kia Thornton - she sings on the intro for “Lately” as well as the entire first verse” m.youtube.com/watch?v=_thrfzRFIpYWow, that video proves it, but that is still VERY shocking, because I'm pretty sure that at least at one time you weren't allowed to be on the show if you previously had a record deal. And even if this rule wasn't exactly in place the season Kia auditioned, it still makes a lot of sense, because you can't have someone on these shows, which are meant to showcase the best undiscovered talent in America and launch them to fame, who previously already had a bit of fame, and a Hot 100 #1 to boot! I don't know about that whole season, but at least in that clip they didn't mention she was from Divine, so I think in her case, most people wouldn't know or probably forgot about her, so they thought they could get away with trying to conceal that, but it really is kind of fraudulent. The voice has welcomed successful music artists like Paula Deanda , billy Gilman, and Cupid (of the Cupid shuffle lol) |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 22, 2022 22:27:47 GMT -5
The most forgettable number 1 in Hot 100 history. Life Goes On, Permission To Dance and My Universe say hi The BTS singles at least have ARMY stans who still stream it. Same goes with Travis' number ones and Taylor's recent #1s I don't think even Barbs stream TROLLZ |
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Post by iHype. on Jun 22, 2022 23:47:10 GMT -5
1) No idea. I read an article about the label being in the midst of bankruptcy just as Divine was seeing mainstream success. Everything, seemingly, crashed and burned soon after. 2) Perhaps the rules were different on American Idol at the time, or the judges knew who she was but didn’t care. Here she is, auditioning in 2007. She got through to the last of three Hollywood rounds, just before the live shows, but didn’t make it. Her name is Kia Thornton - she sings on the intro for “Lately” as well as the entire first verse” m.youtube.com/watch?v=_thrfzRFIpYWow, that video proves it, but that is still VERY shocking, because I'm pretty sure that at least at one time you weren't allowed to be on the show if you previously had a record deal. And even if this rule wasn't exactly in place the season Kia auditioned, it still makes a lot of sense, because you can't have someone on these shows, which are meant to showcase the best undiscovered talent in America and launch them to fame, who previously already had a bit of fame, and a Hot 100 #1 to boot! I don't know about that whole season, but at least in that clip they didn't mention she was from Divine, so I think in her case, most people wouldn't know or probably forgot about her, so they thought they could get away with trying to conceal that, but it really is kind of fraudulent. Yeah it's surprising because one year later Carly Smithson was on American Idol and got tons of backlash because she had a record deal and was dropped years earlier, even though in her case she never even made it to any official charts. There's even a whole section on her Wikipedia about it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carly_Smithson#ControversiesSo the fact they let someone with a previous record deal and legitimate mainstream hits make it onto the show is a headscratcher. A Hot 100 #1 is the biggest stamp of success you can receive in many's eyes. Obviously though if anybody would be an exception it would be someone in this group -- completely forgotten #1 by a one-hit wonder with absolutely no recognition to the public. It's a unique case but still, that's confusing to me. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 23, 2022 2:40:21 GMT -5
US Spotify - 06/21/22
1(=) Joji - Glimpse of Us 2,178,973 (-100,362)
2(DEBUT) Beyoncé - BREAK MY SOUL 1,990,829
3(-1) Drake, 21 Savage - Jimmy Cooks 1,866,120 (-60,303)
4(-1) Harry Styles - As It Was 1,404,066 (-25,465)
5(-1) Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God) 1,367,401 (+19,517)
6(=) Bad Bunny, Chencho Corleone - Me Porto Bonito 1,076,777 (+35,689)
7(-2) Drake - Sticky 1,006,966 (-41,765)
8(=) Bad Bunny - Tití Me Preguntó 947,115 (+30,322)
9(-2) Drake - Falling Back 912,663 (-56,735)
10(-1) Post Malone, Doja Cat - I Like You (A Happier Song) 911,620 (+18,718)
Drake - Honestly, Nevermind
15(-3) Massive 809,722 (-42,090)
19(-3) Texts Go Green 663,260 (-61,959)
20(-3) A Keeper 650,352 (-54,353)
24(-4) Calling My Name 595,973 (-47,245)
27(-5) Currents 555,529 (-54,337)
32(-5) Flight's Booked 518,947 (-55,552)
49(-10) Overdrive 431,637 (-53,284)
59(-9) Liability 385,947 (-42,752)
69(-12) Tie That Binds 355,737 (-42,847)
70(-15) Downhill 354,717 (-52,385)
77(-17) Intro 344,998 (-45,295)
Total Streams: 9,452,568 (-7%)
Others:
11(-1) Jack Harlow - First Class 863,602 (-8,353)
12(-1) Future, Drake, Tems - WAIT FOR U 862,425 (+6,626)
13(=) Harry Styles - Late Night Talking 823,655 (-11,820)
14(=) Lizzo - About Damn Time 822,975 (+15,296)
16(-1) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 729,143 (-14,944)
17(+1) Doja Cat - Vegas 702,806 (+9,296)
18(+1) Bad Bunny, Bomba Estéreo - Ojitos Lindos 694,626 (+7,221)
21(=) Bad Bunny - Efecto 647,195 (+25,940)
22(+1) Bad Bunny - Moscow Mule 619,456 (+11,002)
23(+1) Pharrell Williams, 21 Savage, Tyler, The Creator - Cash In Cash Out 619,193 (+11,226)
25(+3) Bad Bunny, Rauw Alejandro - Party 582,175 (+14,102)
26(=) Post Malone, Roddy Ricch - Cooped Up 564,260 (-12,943)
28(+1) Future - PUFFIN ON ZOOTIEZ 548,242 (+11,051)
29(+1) Bad Bunny - Después de la Playa 542,370 (+6,850)
30(-5) Luke Combs - The Kind of Love We Make 538,545 (-47,410)
31(=) Harry Styles - Music for a Sushi Restaurant 534,417 (-14,936)
33(=) J. Cole - No Role Modelz 507,773 (+3,987)
34(-2) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 495,649 (-16,269)
36(-1) Morgan Wallen - You Proof 488,708 (-7,478)
37(+1) Nicky Youre, dazy - Sunroof 487,326 (+2,398)
38(+2) KAROL G - PROVENZA 487,020 (+4,365)
41(=) Sleepy Hallow, 347aidan - Die Young 471,567 (+1,859)
42(+4) OneRepublic - I Ain't Worried 459,076 (+8,196)
43(-1) Joji - SLOW DANCING IN THE DARK 455,095 (-11,019)
44(-1) Harry Styles - Daylight 451,775 (-10,081)
45(-1) Harry Styles - Matilda 445,763 (-10,658)
46(+3) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - Tarot 445,450 (+13,494)
48(-1) Kendrick Lamar - N95 439,651 (+932)
53(-2) Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You 409,551 (-6,333)
54(+2) XXXTENTACION, Kanye West - True Love 396,592 (-2,386)
55(+6) Lil Baby, 42 Dugg, Veeze - U-Digg 394,056 (+7,070)
56(-2) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 393,736 (-16,866)
60(+6) Bad Bunny - Un Ratito 382,423 (+9,976)
61(+4) The Weeknd - Die For You 377,808 (+5,284)
62(+2) Camila Cabello - Bam Bam 374,086 (-1,348)
63(-1) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 372,662 (-9,859)
68(+2) WILLOW - Wait a Minute! 356,461 (+3,299)
71(+10) Quavo, Takeoff - HOTEL LOBBY (Unc & Phew) 352,760 (+14,494)
73(+7) Megan Thee Stallion, Dua Lipa - Sweetest Pie 350,781 (+11,847)
74(=) Kendrick Lamar - Die Hard 350,266 (+6,103)
75(+8) Bad Bunny, Tony Dize - La Corriente 347,645 (+10,040)
80(+6) Bad Bunny - Yo No Soy Celoso 340,949 (+8,295)
81(-8) Musical Youth - Pass the Dutchie 338,826 (-10,383)
82(=) Latto - Big Energy 338,182 (+477)
90(+6) Bad Bunny - Neverita 327,339 (+6,782)
92(-2) BTS - Yet to Come 319,478 (-6,417)
95(=) Dove Cameron - Boyfriend 319,368 (-4,465)
97(=) Elley Duhé - MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 318,074 (-439)
99(+4) Jack Harlow - Dua Lipa 313,146 (+5,348)
109(+3) Polo G - Distraction 300,030 (+2,058)
110(-3) Bailey Zimmerman - Rock and A Hard Place 298,889 (-6,389)
116(-6) Morgan Wallen - Thought You Should Know 293,978 (-7,567)
117(-1) Marshmello, Khalid - Numb 293,029 (-1,048)
120(+12) Calvin Harris, Dua Lipa, Young Thug - Potion 287,898 (+11,780)
121(+8) Future, Drake - I'M ON ONE 287,161 (+8,973)
125(+8) SleazyWorld Go, Lil Baby - Sleazy Flow (Remix) 281,209 (+5,991)
126(-5) Ruth B. - Dandelions 280,727 (-4,034)
131(-3) The Kid Laroi - Thousand Miles 276,375 (-2,360)
135(+6) Shakira, Rauw Alejandro - Te Felicito 272,855 (+6,147)
141(+9) Kendrick Lamar - Silent Hill 265,193 (+3,662)
142(-8) Halsey - So Good 264,603 (-8,908)
153(-7) Bailey Zimmerman - Fall in Love 255,988 (-7,785)
155(-6) Post Malonе - Wrapped Around Your Finger 255,812 (-6,729)
156(+2) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 253,351 (-1,341)
157(+4) Mr.Kitty - After Dark 252,468 (-912)
168(-4) Nate Smith - Whiskey On You 243,048 (-7,554)
172(+3) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 241,172 (+2,064)
187(re-entry) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 233,415
188(+2) Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug 232,832 (+87)
189(-15) Tyler Hubbard - 5 Foot 9 232,518 (-7,261)
194(-13) Declan McKenna - Brazil 231,827 (-4,321)
196(re-entry) Yung Gravy - Betty (Get Money) 231,374
200(-14) Cafuné - Tek It 230,648 (-3,437)
Joji is currently outstreaming Beyoncé's comeback single and all of Drake's newest album. This is giving Lil Nas X blocking all a-listers energy
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Post by firefox on Jun 23, 2022 3:13:49 GMT -5
wow cruel summer is back! deserved to be a second single
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Post by waluigionascooter on Jun 23, 2022 5:16:47 GMT -5
US Spotify - 06/21/22
196( re-entry) Yung Gravy - Betty (Get Money) 231,374 Keep an eye out for this one, recently been getting a lot of attention on Tiktok, Oh and it literaly Rick-Rolls you |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 23, 2022 5:24:06 GMT -5
Wait For U is back to #3 and Break My Soul is at #4 now. The former would not give these songs a break on AM. Jimmy Cooks might be #1 on the hot 100 after all if its still that strong. You might be on to something. This is reminding me of the week when Wait For U pulled the upset and debuted at #1 over AIW. Keep in mind, this was at a time when AIW was a lot closer to its peak and Harry's team even sent out a digital download with alternative cover on the iTunes store on Thursday to try to prevent WFU from reaching #1. Come to think of it, I think Jimmy Cooks might have this #1 locked. |
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Jun 23, 2022 5:53:04 GMT -5
Betty (Get Money) is one of the more ridiculous songs I’d heard in a while, it’s so obnoxious that I’m rooting for it (i think, lol)
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 23, 2022 6:52:17 GMT -5
Most rappers are out to steal your girl
Yung Gravy out to steal your mom
Anyway stream Yung Gravy
Woahhhh, baybehhhhhh
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Post by firefox on Jun 23, 2022 7:49:57 GMT -5
New Taylor Swift song... midnight
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 23, 2022 8:01:14 GMT -5
Drake 2nd week, Luke Combs album, Beyoncé, Lil Nas X, and now Taylor Swift. That’s a lot of good new music to go around, so please stream any of these. There is no reason why Bad Habits should be spending a 53rd week on the charts.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jun 23, 2022 8:24:18 GMT -5
You’re so obsessed with Bad Habits…
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Post by Ryan on Jun 23, 2022 8:27:59 GMT -5
BREAK MY SOUL on US Spotify:
#3 (▽1) 1,590,862 (-399,967)
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Post by thatpolishboy on Jun 23, 2022 8:31:03 GMT -5
New Taylor Swift song... midnight It's giving another folklore/evermore? Although she seems to be back to promoting a single before demolishing Spotify charts with a surprise. She will probably debut ar nr.1 given how week the top is right now. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 23, 2022 8:32:40 GMT -5
You’re so obsessed with Bad Habits… I’ll take any win I can get. I would like Stay to fall off the charts too, but that’s probably not realistic at this point. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 23, 2022 9:14:43 GMT -5
Break My Soul's numbers are giving solid top 20 hit vibes. Interesting to see the first full week.
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Post by atg on Jun 23, 2022 9:15:41 GMT -5
Seeing Kate Bush rapidly climb on radio brings a huge smile to my face. Now i’m even more confident that it could go to #1 when ST S4 Volume 2 comes out, and that’ll also be on a Friday so it has a full week of the massive hype to bring in as much traction as it can. It’s like they’ve made all the right moves everywhere and its really under appreciated to see a song take advantage of its hype.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 23, 2022 9:22:46 GMT -5
New Taylor Swift song... midnight It's giving another folklore/evermore? Although she seems to be back to promoting a single before demolishing Spotify charts with a surprise. She will probably debut ar nr.1 given how week the top is right now. It's for a movie soundtrack, not a solo album. We'll see if it gets radio promo |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 23, 2022 9:26:06 GMT -5
New Taylor Swift song... midnight It's giving another folklore/evermore? Although she seems to be back to promoting a single before demolishing Spotify charts with a surprise. She will probably debut ar nr.1 given how week the top is right now. Taylor will be going up against Break My Soul (first full week) and The Kind of Love We Make (Luke’s album release). If this goes #1, you can bet your bottom dollar that something from 1989 TV (most likely Blank Space) will top the Hot 100. |
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Post by Taylor. on Jun 23, 2022 9:35:55 GMT -5
Taylor's last soundtrack single (Only the Young) debuted at #50. The previous (Beautiful Ghosts) didn't even chart.
The most apt comparison given the style of song might be Renegade (not from a soundtrack but wasn't her album either) which debuted at #73. Granted, that was posited as a feature even though she sings the whole song, but still.
I'm not expecting anywhere near a top 20 debut, let alone #1. Would love to be wrong!
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Post by rimetm on Jun 23, 2022 9:39:26 GMT -5
Reports earlier this year stated the song was around 8 minutes long. "All Too Well" had the benefits of a shorter edit and longstanding hype to propel it to hit status, which I can't see being the case here.
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Post by artistry on Jun 23, 2022 9:51:38 GMT -5
I would want for the next #1 on the Hot 100 to be Joji's Glimpse of Us.
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Post by thatpolishboy on Jun 23, 2022 9:57:10 GMT -5
I would want for the next #1 on the Hot 100 to be Joji's Glimpse of Us. Unrealistic. The radio support has barely started and it's steaming although good, nowhere near to get it to nr.1 by itself. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 23, 2022 10:09:48 GMT -5
I would want for the next #1 on the Hot 100 to be Joji's Glimpse of Us. Unrealistic. The radio support has barely started and it's steaming although good, nowhere near to get it to nr.1 by itself. That posted said that they "wanted" it, not that they thought it would happen. |
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Post by NeRD on Jun 23, 2022 10:10:40 GMT -5
I'm interested to see how the release of Elvis will impact Vegas. It's already going great on streaming..
Would Jimmy Cooks be Drake's 10th #1?
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