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Post by kierz7 on Jun 21, 2022 6:48:28 GMT -5
The house sound needed to be more mainstream consistently for a WHILE. Yesβ¦ Only if itβs on the level of βBlackbox, C+C Music Factory, Robin S, Cece Peniston, Martha Wash, Diana King, DJ Spinna, Black Coffeeβ however. Even Aretha Franklin was doing House music amazingly with βA Deeper Loveβ. What Drake and, sad to say, BeyoncΓ© are doing is not it, in my opinion.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 21, 2022 7:19:23 GMT -5
90s throwbacks are pretty rare, so I'll take it over 70s and 80s. It's even more common to see 2000s throwbacks nowadays compared to the 90s I was thinking as to why 90s throwbacks are so rare and I think I got an idea as to why. Big trends from the 70s (disco, funk, soft rock), 80s (new wave, heartland rock, 80s style synthpop (and there is a difference, there is synthpop that doesn't sound like the 80s), and 2000s (pop punk, Y2K dance, crunk) can still translate with a mainstream audience because those sounds don't sound too dated and because there's still enough of an influence in the mainstream for them to be welcome. Now if you look outside the mainstream for just a second, there are 90s throwbacks in rock and alt: specifically of the dream pop variety with acts like Hatchie, beabadoobee, and Soccer Mommy. In fact a lot of the big names in the indie scene are taking more from the 90s, than those in the mainstream. A lot of other 90s trends just don't have mainstream appeal or they don't have as big an audience as they used to. Let's take the big power ballads for example: the ones singers like Mariah, Vanessa Williams, Celine Dion, and even Toni Braxton dabbled in and really made chart toppers. Part of the success of those ballads in the 90s as well as in the 60s-80s was because radio was the biggest format and so the safe, milquetoast, interchangeable ballads got a lot of spotlight, alongside the big fun pop songs of the day. But with streaming taking over and radio in decline as well as fitting a "less safe" mold with pop and especially more hip-hop + indie and independent acts now being able to get hits, you don't need to be on a big label anymore to have a successful hit, those ballads aren't in season. You can also lump in a lot of the soulful R&B groups like Boyz 2 Men, All-4-One, and Shai into this. You'll still get the occasional ballad but songs like Perfect, Shallow, Someone You Loved, or Someone Like You aren't ubiquitous, and even ballads that do go big like Glimpse of Us, drivers license, or even ocean eyes, they're nothing like the ones 30-40 years ago. And then you have trends that can't really be made anymore, at least not by a single person. I mentioned the soulful R&B groups earlier but even the lighter acts like TLC, Destiny's Child, and En Vogue + the pop boybands like NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, and New Kids on the Block, those were big projects by labels gathering multiple singers and making them big. We saw it briefly return in the early 2010s but really only One Direction really broke through outside of Europe, and Little Mix is the only pop group that lasted more than 5 years (and they're currently on hiatus). Grunge or G-Funk revivals also aren't a thing but mostly because most of the big players have sadly passed away or have moved on to other sounds that've kept them busy. Finally you have the trends that are gone forever because the way we look at entire genres has changed. New-jack swing was a byproduct of the 80s style of R&B pioneered by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis but that style is no longer around. The percussion of 80s R&B is radically different from the trap we use today. Same goes with pop rap: even Old Town Road, one of the poppiest rap hits of the last 10 years sound nothing like what MC Hammer or Vanilla Ice put out in the 90s.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 21, 2022 7:22:28 GMT -5
It isn't organic because most of the people contributing to the streams for the song aren't Joji fans. They won't stream his next single the same way they're doing this one if it doesn't go viral as well. They're TikTok users who saw a viral song and have been streaming the actual song as a result. This is exactly what happened with 7 Summers by Morgan Wallen & Forever After All by Luke Combs and what led to both songs having out-of-the-ordinary strong starts on streaming. Both songs were teased on TikTok prior to their release. Jack Harlow did it with First Class as well. It always starts with a massive boost in the first week/first few weeks and then fizzles out. If the artist is lucky, by the time that happens, it has gained enough on radio and has found a legitimate audience that'll keep streaming the song so it remains stable on the charts but not until it loses most of the streams it gained as a result of going viral. Me saying it isn't organic isn't me hating on the song btw. Even before TikTok, take In My Feelings for instance. Its streams weren't organic. They were due to a global dance craze. Once that fizzled out, so did the song. If its consumption activity was organic, it wouldn't have dropped so hard from the top 10 following an ease in it's virality. That's all I'm saying. I mean you could say this with a number of hits though. I doubt a majority of streams for STAY were LAROI fans. Same with INDUSTRY BABY, Woman, hell even Drake's hits. And remember, Glimpse of Us wasn't as promoted as other songs that came out the same day, it wasn't even on TTH until it went super viral. The measure of something being organic isn't whether only the fans are listening. If that were the case, then wouldn't BTS' songs be more organic? Why are fans or non-fans even in the equation? Isnβt a song being an organic hit simply indicative of the fact that music listeners made the song a hit without much of a push from labels/artists?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 21, 2022 7:29:13 GMT -5
Does anyone else think Beyonces song is... like... not good? Reminds me less of 90s house music & more of that part of the 2010's when R&B was way too dark and unfun and gave us stuff like "Na Na", "Bitch Betta Have My Money", "Only" and honestly "7/11" and "Drunk In Love" none of which are that good Don't like to be a hater but idk feels like with 6 years of time she could have made something a lot better & more creative EDIT: I FIGURED OUT WHICH SONG IT REMINDS ME OF it's goddamn Party by Chris Brown. To be fair its better than that but Party is a legit 1/10 so being a slightly improved version of Party isnt saying much If these big artists are trying to force a new trend/revival of 90s house, can they at least make songs more like "Lady (Hear Me Tonight)", and less... whatever this new Beyonce song is? That obnoxious instrumental does not fit her vocals at all. I like these new musical takes inspired by Robin S and Cece and the big vocals and beats of 90s dance. Iβm less keen on songs like βLadyβ - maybe because they donβt have those big vocals and not as much personality? But all the same, Iβd welcome really any 90s-inspired trend and 90s dance was my first genre! More Corona, more C&C, even some Real McCoy! βAnother Nightβ is begging to be sampled!
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 21, 2022 10:32:15 GMT -5
US Spotify - 06/20/22
1(=) Joji - Glimpse of Us 2,279,335 (+141,449) 2(=) Drake, 21 Savage - Jimmy Cooks 1,926,423 (+51,672) 3(=) Harry Styles - As It Was 1,429,531 (+91,497) 4(=) Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God) 1,347,884 (+35,557) 5(=) Drake - Sticky 1,048,731 (-18,047) 6(+1) Bad Bunny, Chencho Corleone - Me Porto Bonito 1,041,088 (+15,149) 7(-1) Drake - Falling Back 969,398 (-81,773) 8(=) Bad Bunny - TitΓ Me PreguntΓ³ 916,793 (-13,758) 9(+3) Post Malone, Doja Cat - I Like You (A Happier Song) 892,902 (+71,699) 10(=) Jack Harlow - First Class 871,955 (+35,329)
Drake - Honestly, Nevermind 12(-3) Massive 851,812 (-11,914) 16(-3) Texts Go Green 725,219 (-86,609) 17(-1) A Keeper 704,705 (-52,109) 20(-2) Calling My Name 643,218 (-38,643) 22(-3) Currents 609,866 (-64,654) 27(-5) Flight's Booked 574,499 (-37,813) 39(-9) Overdrive 484,921 (-24,336) 50(-9) Liability 428,699 (-30,712) 55(-12) Downhill 407,102 (-30,226) 57(-12) Tie That Binds 398,584 (-30,578) 60(-23) Intro 390,293 (-78,162) Total Streams: 10,163,470 (-5%)
Others: 11(=) Future, Drake, Tems - WAIT FOR U 855,799 (+32,079) 13(+1) Harry Styles - Late Night Talking 835,475 (+67,393) 14(+1) Lizzo - About Damn Time 807,679 (+41,336) 15(+2) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 744,087 (+45,555) 18(+3) Doja Cat - Vegas 693,510 (+70,116) 19(+1) Bad Bunny, Bomba EstΓ©reo - Ojitos Lindos 687,405 (+24,625) 21(+2) Bad Bunny - Efecto 621,255 (+9,036) 23(+1) Bad Bunny - Moscow Mule 608,454 (+9,886) 24(+2) Pharrell Williams, 21 Savage, Tyler, The Creator - Cash In Cash Out 607,967 (+36,429) 25(+3) Luke Combs - The Kind of Love We Make 585,955 (+45,086) 26(+3) Post Malone, Roddy Ricch - Cooped Up 577,203 (+40,962) 28(-3) Bad Bunny, Rauw Alejandro - Party 568,073 (-10,598) 29(+2) Future - PUFFIN ON ZOOTIEZ 537,191 (+28,414) 30(-3) Bad Bunny - DespuΓ©s de la Playa 535,520 (-15,254) 31(+2) Harry Styles - Music for a Sushi Restaurant 534,417 (+39,470) 32(=) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 511,918 (+15,310) 33(+6) J. Cole - No Role Modelz 503,786 (+39,971) 35(-1) Morgan Wallen - You Proof 496,186 (+12,258) 38(+4) Nicky Youre, dazy - Sunroof 484,928 (+36,945) 40(-5) KAROL G - PROVENZA 482,655 (+11,104) 41(+6) Sleepy Hallow, 347aidan - Die Young 469,708 (+42,418) 42(+2) Joji - SLOW DANCING IN THE DARK 466,114 (+32,969) 43(+3) Harry Styles - Daylight 461,856 (+34,555) 44(+5) Harry Styles - Matilda 456,421 (+36,026) 46(+8) OneRepublic - I Ain't Worried 450,880 (+66,369) 47(+5) Kendrick Lamar - N95 438,719 (+34,926) 49(-1) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - Tarot 431,956 (+10,962) 51(+7) Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You 415,884 (+39,132) 54(+1) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 410,602 (+29,833) 56(+4) XXXTENTACION, Kanye West - True Love 398,978 (+28,540) 61(+23) Lil Baby, 42 Dugg, Veeze - U-Digg 386,986 (+70,642) 62(+1) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 382,521 (+22,769) 64(+2) Camila Cabello - Bam Bam 375,434 (+31,635) 65(=) The Weeknd - Die For You 372,524 (+22,370) 66(-5) Bad Bunny - Un Ratito 372,447 (+9,407) 70(+3) WILLOW - Wait a Minute! 353,162 (+23,352) 73(-6) Musical Youth - Pass the Dutchie 349,209 (+6,433) 74(+4) Kendrick Lamar - Die Hard 344,163 (+19,230) 80(+2) Megan Thee Stallion, Dua Lipa - Sweetest Pie 338,934 (+19,903) 81(+9) Quavo, Takeoff - HOTEL LOBBY (Unc & Phew) 338,266 (+31,615) 82(+1) Latto - Big Energy 337,705 (+20,176) 83(-12) Bad Bunny, Tony Dize - La Corriente 337,605 (+6,463) 86(-11) Bad Bunny - Yo No Soy Celoso 332,654 (+5,229) 92(+6) BTS - Yet to Come 325,895 (+30,876) 95(-1) Dove Cameron - Boyfriend 323,833 (+23,252) 96(-11) Bad Bunny - Neverita 320,557 (+7,079) 97(+2) Elley DuhΓ© - MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 318,513 (+29,871)
103(+12) Jack Harlow - Dua Lipa 307,798 (+28,947) 107(+9) Bailey Zimmerman - Rock and A Hard Place 305,278 (+27,050) 110(-9) Morgan Wallen - Thought You Should Know 301,545 (+13,441) 112(+8) Polo G - Distraction 297,972 (+24,981) 116(-5) Marshmello, Khalid - Numb 294,077 (+12,855) 121(+14) Ruth B. - Dandelions 284,761 (+27,680) 128(+19) The Kid Laroi - Thousand Miles 278,735 (+28,699) 129(+5) Future, Drake - I'M ON ONE 278,188 (+20,983) 132(-20) Calvin Harris, Dua Lipa, Young Thug - Potion 276,118 (-3,600) 133(+9) SleazyWorld Go, Lil Baby - Sleazy Flow (Remix) 275,218 (+22,487) 134(+12) Halsey - So Good 273,511 (+23,462) 141(-2) Shakira, Rauw Alejandro - Te Felicito 266,708 (+13,094) 146(+16) Bailey Zimmerman - Fall in Love 263,773 (+25,696) 149(+7) Post MalonΠ΅ - Wrapped Around Your Finger 262,541 (+22,053) 150(-2) Kendrick Lamar - Silent Hill 261,531 (+12,056) 158(+17) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 254,692 (+24,633) 161(+11) Mr.Kitty - After Dark 253,380 (+22,578) 164(=) Nate Smith - Whiskey On You 250,602 (+13,901) 174(+13) Tyler Hubbard - 5 Foot 9 239,779 (+16,815) 175(+4) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 239,108 (+12,900) 181(re-entry) Declan McKenna - Brazil 236,148 186(-1) CafunΓ© - Tek It 234,085 (+9,528) 190(re-entry) Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug 232,745
Biggest Gains (50K+): U-Digg, I Ain't Worried, Vegas, Late Night Talking, I Like You (A Happier Song), As It Was, Jimmy Cooks, Glimpse of Us
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