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Post by Juan Carlos on Oct 17, 2022 9:30:16 GMT -5
For Your GRAMMY Consideration flyer.
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Post by big2000 on Oct 17, 2022 13:31:51 GMT -5
Get ready for it to get kicked out of the top 10 by Iโm Good.
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Post by Daenerys on Oct 17, 2022 14:22:43 GMT -5
I think this is done. It's one thing for this to miss out on the Top 10 because of Harry Styles, but another for Top 40 to stagnate this for a Bebe and David Guetta track. They aren't interested in putting this in higher rotation. It still doesn't make much sense to me how this will peak higher on the general Airplay chart, than on Top 40.
For comparison purposes 3 peaked at #2 on Pop, and #8 on the Hot 100 Airplay chart. While this will peak Top 10 on the Hot 100 Airplay chart, and #11 on Pop. This should be an easy top 3 Pop hit.
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Post by rainie on Oct 17, 2022 17:12:10 GMT -5
LMFAO you britney stan's are so dramatic, i don't even like i'm good but it deserves to leapfrog this because it actually has big streaming numbers, esp for a pop song. that said, even with this slowing down it's not like it's getting a negative bullet or anything and will probably reach the top ten in a couple weeks once more stuff starts to fall
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Post by Dylan :) on Oct 18, 2022 5:56:15 GMT -5
#24 (+2) on the Hot 100, with a gain in points
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 18, 2022 5:59:35 GMT -5
Guetta/Bebe can wait their damn turn, streaming isn't the be-all-end-all. Radio, do better by Britney!
POP: 11 10 ELTON JOHN & BRITNEY SPEARS Hold Me Closer 8633 8242 391 24.186
-6 Spins -67 Bullet +0.024 Audience
HOT AC: 7 7 ELTON JOHN & BRITNEY SPEARS Hold Me Closer 4282 3932 350 16.081
+41 Spins -5 Bullet +0.045 Audience
AC: 8 8 ELTON JOHN & BRITNEY SPEARS Hold Me Closer 974 853 121 6.255
+18 Spins +6 Bullet +0.116 Audience
SPINS: 1732 Spins from #8, Harry Styles (LNT) (+122) 942 Spins from #9, Harry Styles (MFASR) (-54)
290 Spins ahead of #11, Joji (+281) 408 Spins ahead of #12, Guetta/Bebe (-133)
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 18, 2022 7:44:10 GMT -5
I think this is done. It's one thing for this to miss out on the Top 10 because of Harry Styles, but another for Top 40 to stagnate this for a Bebe and David Guetta track. They aren't interested in putting this in higher rotation. For one the Bebe/David track has better streaming, so there is some indication it's more popular. Regardless you are the exact poster who wrote earlier in this thread ( here) that you assume call out scores are good, and more so there must be a reason radio is playing it. Well, wouldn't the same logic hold true now that it's decreasing? There must be a reason radio is dropping it. Maybe call out scores were only decent. We all know "HMC" is getting top 10 play at the adult formats, and those impressions are what is pushing it ahead on the overall Airplay chart. My guess is "3" didn't do well at multiple formats. It's just math.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 18, 2022 8:05:37 GMT -5
Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences.
Repeating:
Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences.
Again?
Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences.
One more time:
Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences.
For the people in the back:
Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences.
And just in case:
Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences.
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Post by Koochie on Oct 18, 2022 8:12:43 GMT -5
LMFAO you britney stan's are so dramatic, i don't even like i'm good but it deserves to leapfrog this cope harder โค๏ธ
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 18, 2022 8:14:51 GMT -5
Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. Repeating: Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. Again? Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. One more time: Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. For the people in the back: Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. And just in case: Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. They aren't exactly the same, but it doesn't mean there isn't any overlap (especially at Top 40). Additionally, a general point is that if fans are going to say radio can use its data to deviate from streaming to play "HMC" more, it obviously can then stop playing it based on their own data or whatever they are using.
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Post by Koochie on Oct 18, 2022 8:51:01 GMT -5
Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. Repeating: Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. Again? Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. One more time: Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. For the people in the back: Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. And just in case: Radio audiences =/= streaming audiences. They aren't exactly the same, but it doesn't mean there isn't any overlap (especially at Top 40). Additionally, a general point is that if fans are going to say radio can use its data to deviate from streaming to play "HMC" more, it obviously can then stop playing it based on their own data or whatever they are using. This seems to be the most commonly accepted tool for tracking (never knew this and it seems like a totally arbitrary way to go about it), so thatโs where a lot of your data comes from. Margin of error seems pretty high. I hear โHold Me Closerโ out and about significantly more than โIโm Average,โ anecdotally, but I also assume this method is used in major markets like NYC, LA, and etc. The point here though is that, yes, streaming and radio arenโt entirely decoupled but thereโs a good bit of variance. Also worth pointing out is that modern radio probably caters to older audiences. Younger generations probably stream through their vehicleโs Bluetooth and ignore the platform entirely, giving radio more โwiggle roomโ to play around its audience. I genuinely have not listened to the radio once since I ditched my college car for a big boy vehicle.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 18, 2022 8:56:35 GMT -5
They aren't exactly the same, but it doesn't mean there isn't any overlap (especially at Top 40). Additionally, a general point is that if fans are going to say radio can use its data to deviate from streaming to play "HMC" more, it obviously can then stop playing it based on their own data or whatever they are using. This seems to be the most commonly accepted tool for tracking (never knew this and it seems like a totally arbitrary way to go about it), so thatโs where a lot of your data comes from. Margin of error seems pretty high. I hear โHold Me Closerโ out and about significantly more than โIโm Average,โ anecdotally, but I also assume this method is used in major markets like NYC, LA, and etc. The point here though is that, yes, streaming and radio arenโt entirely decoupled but thereโs a good bit of variance. Also worth pointing out is that modern radio probably caters to older audiences. Younger generations probably stream through their vehicleโs Bluetooth and ignore the platform entirely, giving radio more โwiggle roomโ to play around its audience. I genuinely have not listened to the radio once since I ditched my college car for a big boy vehicle. It looks like you intended to link to a URL with "This" but it's not working for me.
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Post by Koochie on Oct 18, 2022 9:55:06 GMT -5
This seems to be the most commonly accepted tool for tracking (never knew this and it seems like a totally arbitrary way to go about it), so thatโs where a lot of your data comes from. Margin of error seems pretty high. I hear โHold Me Closerโ out and about significantly more than โIโm Average,โ anecdotally, but I also assume this method is used in major markets like NYC, LA, and etc. The point here though is that, yes, streaming and radio arenโt entirely decoupled but thereโs a good bit of variance. Also worth pointing out is that modern radio probably caters to older audiences. Younger generations probably stream through their vehicleโs Bluetooth and ignore the platform entirely, giving radio more โwiggle roomโ to play around its audience. I genuinely have not listened to the radio once since I ditched my college car for a big boy vehicle. It looks like you intended to link to a URL with "This" but it's not working for me. ugh I always screw it up on mobile www.radiodirect.com/where-do-radio-ratings-come-from/
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Post by Active Aggressive on Oct 18, 2022 10:51:27 GMT -5
@ I'm Average. Went back to this over the weekend and still sounds fresher than a stale DJ from a decade ago!
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Post by Daenerys on Oct 18, 2022 11:28:48 GMT -5
Not sure I'm understanding the point. I feel like you and I are saying the same thing; radio is choosing to deprioritize this, and it's finished pushing the track. There is no value judgement in anything that I am saying. Just noticing trends, and also making the statement that Pop probably should have pushed this harder due to overall airplay reaction on similar formats. If HMC is doing well on the adult formats, then that would be more evidence that it's likely testing well with other similar audiences inside the Top 40 demographics and targets. Top 40, Hot AC, and AC are becoming more aligned in listernship. That should provide evidence that they should continue to invest in this track more than they are currently doing, that's a standard argument for most cross-over hits to Top 40. Historically, if Britney had a top 10 Airplay hit, that usually correlated to it being top 3 on Pop. To put this into further clarity Me Against the Music peaked similarly on Pop and yet it struggled to crack the Top 40 on the Hot 100 Airplay chart. This clearly has performed better than that.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 18, 2022 12:04:47 GMT -5
If HMC is doing well on the adult formats, then that would be more evidence that it's likely testing well with other similar audiences inside the Top 40 demographics and targets. Top 40, Hot AC, and AC are becoming more aligned in listernship. That should provide evidence that they should continue to invest in this track more than they are currently doing, that's a standard argument for most cross-over hits to Top 40. They might be becoming more aligned (I am not sure, just going with it) but are obviously still different. The #1 song at Top 40 right now ("Vegas") isn't even in the top 40 at AC. Michael Buble's "Higher" is top 10 at AC but not in the top 40 at Top 40. John Legend's "All She Wanna Do" is top 30 at AC and Hot AC but not charting on Top 40. That all shows you there are still some clear differences between the formats. But again you have to look at all formats. Hot 100 Airplay (now Radio Songs) includes most radio formats. As I've said, "HMC" is getting support from adult formats, which is why its overall airplay peak is higher. You use "Me Against the Music" as an example; that one probably was not top 10 at AC and Hot AC, so its overall airplay would be lower than "HMC" which has support from those additional formats. (An additional, current example is "Glimpse of Us" which is higher than "HMC" at Top 40 radio yet much lower on Radio Songs because it doesn't have support from other formats.) At the same time, a song that is top 3 at Top 40 is going to have a lot more impressions/streams than a song at #11, and out of that it can chart higher on Hot 100 Airplay without additional support. Again, it's just math.
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Post by degen on Oct 18, 2022 12:12:28 GMT -5
I just donโt understand the frustration in here, this song literally over performed at radio when nobody has been checking on it for weeks now besides Britneyโs fans. Yโall really are something else.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 18, 2022 12:14:48 GMT -5
Okay but what does it mean to โoverperform at radioโ? What even is the ongoing issue with this?
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Post by holdmecloser255 on Oct 18, 2022 12:17:31 GMT -5
Jesus. That Xtina stan is so pressed over this song's *modest* radio success. This happens when your fave cannot even chart in years.
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Post by CatSoul on Oct 18, 2022 13:29:47 GMT -5
Lord - if there is a God, Britney deserves this more than Bebe Rexha screeching "i'm BlUUUUUUUUUueuEEueue"
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Post by holdmecloser255 on Oct 18, 2022 14:33:54 GMT -5
Lord - if there is a God, Britney deserves this more than Bebe Rexha screeching "i'm BlUUUUUUUUUueuEEueue" Bebe's "hit" is absolutely shameless. It heavily samples one of the biggest European hits of all time without bringing anything new to the table.
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Post by degen on Oct 18, 2022 14:52:05 GMT -5
Okay but what does it mean to โoverperform at radioโ? What even is the ongoing issue with this? Overperform=Top 10 on radio airplay while not even being Top 100 on streaming. Now I know you guys say โthereโs no coloration between streams and airplayโ which is an absolute lie. Letโs pull out the fact sheets. When was the last time a song went Top 10 on overall airplay when it was not even Top 100 on streaming? I donโt have this info but surely somebody does.
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Post by degen on Oct 18, 2022 14:58:43 GMT -5
Jesus. That Xtina stan is so pressed over this song's *modest* radio success. This happens when your fave cannot even chart in years. We really donโt want to open this can of wormsโฆ.enjoy your modest hit. You freed Britney for this sole purpose didnโt you. It was never about her happiness or anythingโฆit was about commercial success. All this just for 1 week in the Top 10? Hope you enjoyed those 7 days of redemption. If your intention was to truly free her, you wouldโve started speaking out during the circus era and during the Vegas residency. But you never did, did you? In fact, you probably attended the shows knowing she was suffering. You bought the albums and purchased the singles knowingly. See this is what I never understood about your movement. You are in here crying about radio airplay while she is still crying about her life issues. Itโs mind boggling how detached from reality some of her fans are. Again, I hope you enjoyed your 1 week of redemption.
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Post by degen on Oct 18, 2022 15:15:23 GMT -5
Lord - if there is a God, Britney deserves this more than Bebe Rexha screeching "i'm BlUUUUUUUUUueuEEueue" Bebe's "hit" is absolutely shameless. It heavily samples one of the biggest European hits of all time without bringing anything new to the table.ย ย โHold me Closerโ literally samples 3 Elton John songs!!!!!!! WHAT THE f**k are you on! ๐ I CANNOT!!!!! Iโm out of here.
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Post by die Lotterie on Oct 18, 2022 15:15:38 GMT -5
Is there really a reason to take Brit fans wanting this to do better so personally and seriously? Some of ya'll are really invested in these exhaustive and trivial back and forths. It's as if you're looking for a hill to die on that doesn't even exist. No one knew exactly what was going on with Britney during Circus or Vegas, and it's gross for anyone to shame her fans for supporting her career during those times. Brit won and the fans won. She's free and happy, and she even made time to gift us with a hit while living her best life.
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Post by CatSoul on Oct 18, 2022 15:28:04 GMT -5
Bebe's "hit" is absolutely shameless. It heavily samples one of the biggest European hits of all time without bringing anything new to the table. โHold me Closerโ literally samples 3 Elton John songs!!!!!!! WHAT THE f**k are you on! ๐ I CANNOT!!!!! Iโm out of here. There's a difference between sampling something and making it something new and sampling something with grating vocals, uninspired lyrics, and a few gratuitous 'f**k's just to emphasize edginess.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 18, 2022 16:19:44 GMT -5
Okay but what does it mean to โoverperform at radioโ? What even is the ongoing issue with this? Overperform=Top 10 on radio airplay while not even being Top 100 on streaming. Now I know you guys say โthereโs no coloration between streams and airplayโ which is an absolute lie. Letโs pull out the fact sheets. When was the last time a song went Top 10 on overall airplay when it was not even Top 100 on streaming? I donโt have this info but surely somebody does. Why do we only apply these โrulesโ to pop radio? I donโt see people in other forums commenting about the performances of songs on Hot AC or country not doing well on streaming. Why do songs on pop radio have to overlap with streaming when so much of what does well on streaming isnโt even radio friendly or pop music in the first place?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 18, 2022 16:22:14 GMT -5
Jesus. That Xtina stan is so pressed over this song's *modest* radio success. This happens when your fave cannot even chart in years. We really donโt want to open this can of wormsโฆ.enjoy your modest hit. You freed Britney for this sole purpose didnโt you. It was never about her happiness or anythingโฆit was about commercial success. All this just for 1 week in the Top 10? Hope you enjoyed those 7 days of redemption. If your intention was to truly free her, you wouldโve started speaking out during the circus era and during the Vegas residency. But you never did, did you? In fact, you probably attended the shows knowing she was suffering. You bought the albums and purchased the singles knowingly. See this is what I never understood about your movement. You are in here crying about radio airplay while she is still crying about her life issues. Itโs mind boggling how detached from reality some of her fans are. Again, I hope you enjoyed your 1 week of redemption. Soโฆ she shouldnโt be out of her conservatorship? Idgi
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Post by Ryan on Oct 19, 2022 2:10:05 GMT -5
Jesus. That Xtina stan is so pressed over this song's *modest* radio success. This happens when your fave cannot even chart in years. We really donโt want to open this can of wormsโฆ.enjoy your modest hit. You freed Britney for this sole purpose didnโt you. It was never about her happiness or anythingโฆit was about commercial success. All this just for 1 week in the Top 10? Hope you enjoyed those 7 days of redemption. If your intention was to truly free her, you wouldโve started speaking out during the circus era and during the Vegas residency. But you never did, did you? In fact, you probably attended the shows knowing she was suffering. You bought the albums and purchased the singles knowingly. See this is what I never understood about your movement. You are in here crying about radio airplay while she is still crying about her life issues. Itโs mind boggling how detached from reality some of her fans are. Again, I hope you enjoyed your 1 week of redemption. This is the biggest WTF post of the year. And it wasn't the fans who freed her. Britney freed herself, thank you very much.
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Post by ๐ก๐๐๐๐๐ค on Oct 19, 2022 2:28:32 GMT -5
all this for "hold me closer" when "numb" also hit #10 with the same/worse streaming and not a peep. "left & right" has bad streaming too and got up there. "close to me" by Ellie Goulding hit #2 with crap streaming, "I'm a mess" by bebe rexha hit #10 and barely scuffed the top 40 on the hot 100, similar thing happened to sam smith's "diamonds" (bop). the bottom rungs of the top 10 (and sometimes the top) often have the barely alive streaming flops
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