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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 13, 2022 11:25:58 GMT -5
Good spotify debut for Nicki. Wonder how she'll hold up throughout the week I hope she scores a top 10 debut at least. |
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 13, 2022 11:29:05 GMT -5
I mostly agree with you except you aren’t including how the fact that how charts are measured and recorded and tabulated has changed to allow Billboard to record what they couldn’t record before, which is how people are actually listening to music. Album bombs are still a relatively new thing because they couldn’t be measured before. That isn’t to take away from those who do them now because it’s not every act who has one can score multiple Top 10s in a week (see Beyoncé this week), but it does take away from the cases that would have happened had it been possible to record them pre-album bomb era (see Adele, 90s teen pop era, etc). Oh, agreed. It just gets tiring seeing people only talk about the streaming era negatively in comparison to other eras. We've had songs from 30-40 years ago get a resurgence with new audiences thanks to streaming. Acts like the Beatles, Michael Jackson, etc are still averaging 1M+ album units per year thanks to streaming. It isn't all bad. Those acts have always had resurgences. Long before streaming, through movies, tv, reissues, and yes more recently through streaming, there's a reason there's albums on the Billboard 200 or Catalog Album charts for years and decades. Because they sold even before streaming. Songs like Unchained Melody by The Righteous Brothers, Sure streaming has also helped immensely, but let's not pretend "if it weren't for streaming..." |
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Post by rainygirl on Aug 13, 2022 11:32:07 GMT -5
Good spotify debut for Nicki. Wonder how she'll hold up throughout the week I hope she scores a top 10 debut at least. I think maybe top 5 .. one of the chart accounts said she sold 9600 digital copies on Friday alone |
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 13, 2022 11:33:00 GMT -5
But I didn't say anything negative... please stop trying to read between the lines and adding your biases to others posts, That post wasn't necessarily about you. That's just the general sentiment whenever the streaming era gets discussed. It gets compared to past eras and gets painted as the era that ruined everything/made chart achievements super easy to get. That's been happening on here long before you joined this site. It definitely changed everything, I don't think anyone can dispute that with a straight face. And as others have pointed out, don't assume anything based on a join date. |
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Post by chanman on Aug 13, 2022 12:00:05 GMT -5
But I didn't say anything negative... please stop trying to read between the lines and adding your biases to others posts, That post wasn't necessarily about you. That's just the general sentiment whenever the streaming era gets discussed. It gets compared to past eras and gets painted as the era that ruined everything/ made chart achievements super easy to get. That's been happening on here long before you joined this site. Well that part is still true as done by Drake. And if past Billboard rules did apply today, with Airplay and Sales only, then Drake and many other artistes would not have the sizeable Hot 100 hits that they are having as well as achieving chart records. |
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Post by M5AGTS on Aug 13, 2022 12:05:15 GMT -5
Guys. Let me tell you something.
Streaming is good. It shows what songs people are listening to.
Radio is good. It shows what songs people are listening to.
Sales are good. It shows what songs people are listening to.
There's always somebody that's saying ----- shouldn't be counted for the hot 100, when it comes to all three metrics. And my point is, all three metrics show music consumption. You're consuming the product all three ways. Therefore, all of them should be counted for the hot 100 and people shouldn't be saying ----- shouldn't be counted.
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Post by chanman on Aug 13, 2022 12:18:25 GMT -5
Guys. Let me tell you something. Streaming is good. It shows what songs people are listening to. Radio is good. It shows what songs people are listening to. Sales are good. It shows what songs people are listening to. There's always somebody that's saying ----- shouldn't be counted for the hot 100, when it comes to all three metrics. And my point is, all three metrics show music consumption. You're consuming the product all three ways. Therefore, all of them should be counted for the hot 100 and people shouldn't be saying ----- shouldn't be counted. I embrace all metrics and Billboard's reasoning behind doing such adjustments, whenever changes were done throughout the years. Even Billboard can't escape their own comparisons as they would try to lump all eras to generate best 100 artistes/songs etcetera... but there is always a spool of thought that joining eras, to say who did better in chart achievements is inaccurate because of the vastly different eras/formulas used. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 13, 2022 12:44:23 GMT -5
Oh, agreed. It just gets tiring seeing people only talk about the streaming era negatively in comparison to other eras. We've had songs from 30-40 years ago get a resurgence with new audiences thanks to streaming. Acts like the Beatles, Michael Jackson, etc are still averaging 1M+ album units per year thanks to streaming. It isn't all bad. Those acts have always had resurgences. Long before streaming, through movies, tv, reissues, and yes more recently through streaming, there's a reason there's albums on the Billboard 200 or Catalog Album charts for years and decades. Because they sold even before streaming. Songs like Unchained Melody by The Righteous Brothers, Sure streaming has also helped immensely, but let's not pretend "if it weren't for streaming..." I’d say streaming is helping though, if not even just indirectly. With streaming, the resurgences are more concrete and thus they get reported on, and then built upon from there. It’s like, if you hear about a certain song getting a resurgence, that might make you want to go listen to it also where you might not have necessarily done so otherwise. In the case of “Running up that hill,” the streaming numbers helped the song take off, ultimately making radio take notice and it just kind of catapulted from there. Old songs returning has happened before but they were still quite rare and for the most part, temporary and niche. Now we’re all especially paying particular attention to resurgences on streaming. |
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 13, 2022 13:03:56 GMT -5
Those acts have always had resurgences. Long before streaming, through movies, tv, reissues, and yes more recently through streaming, there's a reason there's albums on the Billboard 200 or Catalog Album charts for years and decades. Because they sold even before streaming. Songs like Unchained Melody by The Righteous Brothers, Sure streaming has also helped immensely, but let's not pretend "if it weren't for streaming..." I’d say streaming is helping though, if not even just indirectly. With streaming, the resurgences are more concrete and thus they get reported on, and then built upon from there. It’s like, if you hear about a certain song getting a resurgence, that might make you want to go listen to it also where you might not have necessarily done so otherwise. In the case of “Running up that hill,” the streaming numbers helped the song take off, ultimately making radio take notice and it just kind of catapulted from there. Old songs returning has happened before but they were still quite rare and for the most part, temporary and niche. Now we’re all especially paying particular attention to resurgences on streaming. We saw it before in ongoing sales. We saw it before on radio, either from a classic music station or a top forty pop station that played and mixed in gold songs (a term for an old song, not the cert term). streaming is just yet another way. Even more recently when digital song sales took off in the mid 2000s we saw song sell consistently that were old. it really all just boils down to availability and convenience. Plus the ability to track and collect data. You don't think Rumors wasn't played regularly for three decades before streaming? That it was just old folk and new people hadn't bought it and played it regularly? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 13, 2022 16:22:04 GMT -5
But Rumours wasn’t readopted as a current the way Bohemian Rhapsody, Unchained Melody, December 1963 and now Running Up That Hill were. I think that’s the difference. Some old songs and albums never really go away, and that’s what makes them classics i suppose, but they also never really experience surges either. Thriller, Rumours, Tapestry, etc, they’re always present. That’s not the same thing as these other situations of old songs receiving new popularity in a larger way.
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 13, 2022 17:28:42 GMT -5
But Rumours wasn’t readopted as a current the way Bohemian Rhapsody, Unchained Melody, December 1963 and now Running Up That Hill were. I think that’s the difference. Some old songs and albums never really go away, and that’s what makes them classics i suppose, but they also never really experience surges either. Thriller, Rumours, Tapestry, etc, they’re always present. That’s not the same thing as these other situations of old songs receiving new popularity in a larger way. Let's see, forty years of steady popularity, or short term surge due to streaming. I'll tak the former thanks, the point is, despite my sarcasm, is that you all are doing the exact opposite of what thegreatdivine said. Instead of the attempting to write off streaming or make it smaller - you all are writing off past steady popularity, with surges due to movies, tv reissue et and making it less significant than it was. Like only streaming can do that stuff. which seems to me a whole lot hypocrisy, can't we just accept that both then and now are beneficial and neither is better. |
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Post by dovahduck on Aug 13, 2022 18:04:52 GMT -5
So, I was bored and inspired by Soulsista's flashback top 10 posts, I thought I'd find out which artists scored the most top 10 hits every year across the last 20 years. Most Hot 100 top 10 hits from 2001-2021: 2001: Destiny's Child & Ja Rule — 3 (tied) 2002: Ashanti — 4 2003: 50 Cent & Jay-Z — 4 (tied) 2004: Usher — 4 2005: 50 Cent — 6 2006: Beyoncè & Chris Brown — 3 (tied) 2007: T-Pain — 6 2008: Lil Wayne — 6 2009: Lady Gaga — 4 2010: Kesha — 5 2011: Lil Wayne — 6 2012: Nicki Minaj — 4 2013: Drake — 4 2014: Ariana Grande — 4 2015: Fetty Wap & Taylor Swift — 3 (tied) 2016: Drake — 3 2017: Quavo — 4 2018: Drake — 13 2019: Post Malone — 4 2020: Drake & Juice WRLD — 7 (tied) 2021: Drake — 12 Didn't the Weeknd chart three in 2015 with "Earned It", "CFMF", and "The Hills"? |
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Post by After Minutes on Aug 13, 2022 18:09:09 GMT -5
So, I was bored and inspired by Soulsista's flashback top 10 posts, I thought I'd find out which artists scored the most top 10 hits every year across the last 20 years. Most Hot 100 top 10 hits from 2001-2021: 2001: Destiny's Child & Ja Rule — 3 (tied) 2002: Ashanti — 4 2003: 50 Cent & Jay-Z — 4 (tied) 2004: Usher — 4 2005: 50 Cent — 6 2006: Beyoncè & Chris Brown — 3 (tied) 2007: T-Pain — 6 2008: Lil Wayne — 6 2009: Lady Gaga — 4 2010: Kesha — 5 2011: Lil Wayne — 6 2012: Nicki Minaj — 4 2013: Drake — 4 2014: Ariana Grande — 4 2015: Fetty Wap & Taylor Swift — 3 (tied) 2016: Drake — 3 2017: Quavo — 4 2018: Drake — 13 2019: Post Malone — 4 2020: Drake & Juice WRLD — 7 (tied) 2021: Drake — 12 Didn't the Weeknd chart three in 2015 with "Earned It", "CFMF", and "The Hills"? wouldn't it be 4 with LMH? |
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Post by M5AGTS on Aug 13, 2022 18:45:56 GMT -5
Didn't the Weeknd chart three in 2015 with "Earned It", "CFMF", and "The Hills"? wouldn't it be 4 with LMH? The correct answer for 2015 is T Swizzle with 5. |
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 13, 2022 18:46:46 GMT -5
Yea four,.
LMH top 10 holdover from Dec.
Earned it in March
And of course the tandem CFMF and TH.
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Post by mms82 on Aug 13, 2022 19:25:44 GMT -5
Didn't the Weeknd chart three in 2015 with "Earned It", "CFMF", and "The Hills"? wouldn't it be 4 with LMH? What’s LMH? |
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Post by mms82 on Aug 13, 2022 19:26:57 GMT -5
Does Quavo count Migos songs as part of his total as well or just solo features? He had 4 top 10 hits in 2017 as a solo act, and 1 more top 10 hit as part of Migos that same year. What were they? |
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Post by Az Paynter on Aug 13, 2022 19:27:29 GMT -5
wouldn't it be 4 with LMH? What’s LMH? 'Love Me Harder' (w/ Ariana). |
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Post by Groovy on Aug 13, 2022 19:43:39 GMT -5
He had 4 top 10 hits in 2017 as a solo act, and 1 more top 10 hit as part of Migos that same year. What were they? I’m the One, Congratulations, Strip That Down, Portland and Bad & Boujee. |
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Post by kingvavis on Aug 13, 2022 19:50:40 GMT -5
So, I was bored and inspired by Soulsista's flashback top 10 posts, I thought I'd find out which artists scored the most top 10 hits every year across the last 20 years. Most Hot 100 top 10 hits from 2001-2021: 2001: Destiny's Child & Ja Rule — 3 (tied) 2002: Ashanti — 4 2003: 50 Cent & Jay-Z — 4 (tied) 2004: Usher — 4 2005: 50 Cent — 6 2006: Beyoncè & Chris Brown — 3 (tied) 2007: T-Pain — 6 2008: Lil Wayne — 6 2009: Lady Gaga — 4 2010: Kesha — 5 2011: Lil Wayne — 6 2012: Nicki Minaj — 4 2013: Drake — 4 2014: Ariana Grande — 4 2015: Fetty Wap & Taylor Swift — 3 (tied) 2016: Drake — 3 2017: Quavo — 4 2018: Drake — 13 2019: Post Malone — 4 2020: Drake & Juice WRLD — 7 (tied) 2021: Drake — 12 Didn't Bieber and Drake tie according to the wiki for 2016? |
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Post by M5AGTS on Aug 13, 2022 19:54:26 GMT -5
I’m the One, Congratulations, Strip That Down, Portland and Bad & Boujee. You forgot Motorsport, so it's actually 6. |
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Post by M5AGTS on Aug 13, 2022 19:55:09 GMT -5
So, I was bored and inspired by Soulsista's flashback top 10 posts, I thought I'd find out which artists scored the most top 10 hits every year across the last 20 years. Most Hot 100 top 10 hits from 2001-2021: 2001: Destiny's Child & Ja Rule — 3 (tied) 2002: Ashanti — 4 2003: 50 Cent & Jay-Z — 4 (tied) 2004: Usher — 4 2005: 50 Cent — 6 2006: Beyoncè & Chris Brown — 3 (tied) 2007: T-Pain — 6 2008: Lil Wayne — 6 2009: Lady Gaga — 4 2010: Kesha — 5 2011: Lil Wayne — 6 2012: Nicki Minaj — 4 2013: Drake — 4 2014: Ariana Grande — 4 2015: Fetty Wap & Taylor Swift — 3 (tied) 2016: Drake — 3 2017: Quavo — 4 2018: Drake — 13 2019: Post Malone — 4 2020: Drake & Juice WRLD — 7 (tied) 2021: Drake — 12 Didn't Bieber and Drake tie according to the wiki for 2016? Yeah, Beiber also had 3. Love Yourself, Sorry, and Cold Water. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 13, 2022 19:55:56 GMT -5
But Rumours wasn’t readopted as a current the way Bohemian Rhapsody, Unchained Melody, December 1963 and now Running Up That Hill were. I think that’s the difference. Some old songs and albums never really go away, and that’s what makes them classics i suppose, but they also never really experience surges either. Thriller, Rumours, Tapestry, etc, they’re always present. That’s not the same thing as these other situations of old songs receiving new popularity in a larger way. Let's see, forty years of steady popularity, or short term surge due to streaming. I'll tak the former thanks, the point is, despite my sarcasm, is that you all are doing the exact opposite of what thegreatdivine said. Instead of the attempting to write off streaming or make it smaller - you all are writing off past steady popularity, with surges due to movies, tv reissue et and making it less significant than it was. Like only streaming can do that stuff. which seems to me a whole lot hypocrisy, can't we just accept that both then and now are beneficial and neither is better. Tbh I’m not sure what your argument even is. It isn’t an all or nothing situation. Of course some older music has sustained in popularity, and other has had resurgence due to various reasons, and streaming has been a new way for people to reexperience (or experience old music they may not have heard before), just as digital purchases and buying CDs have been before. I explained already the benefits I believe streaming has given older songs and it’s less about the streaming and more about the coverage songs get when they get those resurgences. |
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Post by iHype. on Aug 13, 2022 20:53:42 GMT -5
Oh wow, the second day gains for Nicki on Apple Music.
It’s about to increase in streams second day.
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Post by gikem on Aug 13, 2022 21:37:28 GMT -5
Oh wow, the second day gains for Nicki on Apple Music. It’s about to increase in streams second day. Not just in the US, but in pretty much all the other major countries that it’s charting in too. Seems like it’s going internationally viral beyond just the Barbz. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 13, 2022 22:13:26 GMT -5
Another reason why I feel like Megan is failing commercially here is because she's failing to evolve. Every big artist has to evolve musically to stay relevant. That's how it's always been. Nobody wants to hear the same s**t. No matter what kind of artist you are, you need to be constantly evolving and reinventing yourself. Megan here, with the exception of Sweetest Pie, is just not doing that. Notice how her biggest hit last year was Beautiful Mistakes, and notice how her only hit this year is Sweetest Pie. This is the type of music people want from her nowadays, and she's just not delivering. She's STILL doing the same s**t that she was doing back in 2019-2020, and people are sick of that.I get the feeling the people who are "sick of her style" and who want "more songs like Beautiful Mistakes or Sweetest Pie", aren't actually fans of Megan Thee Stallion. And ftr: just because a song is popular or a hit does not mean that is what fans or even the general public want to see from that act. Just to use another rapper as an example: Kendrick Lamar has had hits with The Greatest, Don't Wanna Know, or Bad Blood, and yet I don't think anyone actually wanted a pop, neutered down, checked out sounding Kendrick Lamar |
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Post by M5AGTS on Aug 13, 2022 22:22:58 GMT -5
Another reason why I feel like Megan is failing commercially here is because she's failing to evolve. Every big artist has to evolve musically to stay relevant. That's how it's always been. Nobody wants to hear the same s**t. No matter what kind of artist you are, you need to be constantly evolving and reinventing yourself. Megan here, with the exception of Sweetest Pie, is just not doing that. Notice how her biggest hit last year was Beautiful Mistakes, and notice how her only hit this year is Sweetest Pie. This is the type of music people want from her nowadays, and she's just not delivering. She's STILL doing the same s**t that she was doing back in 2019-2020, and people are sick of that.I get the feeling the people who are "sick of her style" and who want "more songs like Beautiful Mistakes or Sweetest Pie", aren't actually fans of Megan Thee Stallion. And ftr: just because a song is popular or a hit does not mean that is what fans or even the general public want to see from that act. Just to use another rapper as an example: Kendrick Lamar has had hits with The Greatest, Don't Wanna Know, or Bad Blood, and yet I don't think anyone actually wanted a pop, neutered down, checked out sounding Kendrick Lamar Kendrick in no way, shape or form was checked out on The Greatest or DWN, and especially not during Bad Blood. Kendrick on Bad Blood is literally the exact opposite of checked out. And yeah of course Megan didn't have as much sass on Beautiful Mistakes, because it's an atmospheric song. If she had a lot of sass it would've ruined the vibe completely. Megan definitely knows how to work herself into an atmospheric song and it's a shame she doesn't do it more often. |
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Aug 13, 2022 23:56:52 GMT -5
I just realize that the time frame between Lemonade and 25 is almost the same. Does it mean Beyonce waited for Adele to release first before releasing Renaissance? I feel like Rihanna will be releasing soon too as Anti was released same year as Lemonade.To be honest, I think they are the trinity of the generation. Considering Rihanna success is comparable to Mariah while Adele is to Celine and Yonce is to Whitney. And not Nicky as Barbs are claiming.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 14, 2022 0:00:31 GMT -5
I get the feeling the people who are "sick of her style" and who want "more songs like Beautiful Mistakes or Sweetest Pie", aren't actually fans of Megan Thee Stallion. And ftr: just because a song is popular or a hit does not mean that is what fans or even the general public want to see from that act. Just to use another rapper as an example: Kendrick Lamar has had hits with The Greatest, Don't Wanna Know, or Bad Blood, and yet I don't think anyone actually wanted a pop, neutered down, checked out sounding Kendrick Lamar Kendrick in no way, shape or form was checked out on The Greatest or DWN, and especially not during Bad Blood. Kendrick on Bad Blood is literally the exact opposite of checked out. And yeah of course Megan didn't have as much sass on Beautiful Mistakes, because it's an atmospheric song. If she had a lot of sass it would've ruined the vibe completely. Megan definitely knows how to work herself into an atmospheric song and it's a shame she doesn't do it more often. So that didn't counter against any of my main points... |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 14, 2022 2:27:01 GMT -5
So, I was bored and inspired by Soulsista's flashback top 10 posts, I thought I'd find out which artists scored the most top 10 hits every year across the last 20 years. Most Hot 100 top 10 hits from 2001-2021: 2001: Destiny's Child & Ja Rule — 3 (tied) 2002: Ashanti — 4 2003: 50 Cent & Jay-Z — 4 (tied) 2004: Usher — 4 2005: 50 Cent — 6 2006: Beyoncè & Chris Brown — 3 (tied) 2007: T-Pain — 6 2008: Lil Wayne — 6 2009: Lady Gaga — 4 2010: Kesha — 5 2011: Lil Wayne — 6 2012: Nicki Minaj — 4 2013: Drake — 4 2014: Ariana Grande — 4 2015: Fetty Wap & Taylor Swift — 3 (tied) 2016: Drake — 3 2017: Quavo — 4 2018: Drake — 13 2019: Post Malone — 4 2020: Drake & Juice WRLD — 7 (tied) 2021: Drake — 12 Didn't the Weeknd chart three in 2015 with "Earned It", "CFMF", and "The Hills"? You're right! He did. Can't believe I missed it. For the list, I only counted a top 10 hit in the year it reached the top 10 so any songs that reached the top 10 in a previous year but also charted in the top 10 in the next year as well didn't count for the next year. |
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