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Post by Au$tin on Sept 2, 2022 23:30:22 GMT -5
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I feel like GAYLE will end up on this list.
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Post by π―π² lucy88 π―π² on Sept 3, 2022 0:13:10 GMT -5
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Mikaila Stella Soleil Nikka Costa Dream 3LW P.Y.T. (group that sang "Down Wit Me") Brooke Allison No Secrets Play Anastasia Che'nelle Sammie Blaque Allure Tracie Spencer No Authority (group that sang "Can I Get Your Number?") Cleopatra Samantha Mumba
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Post by M5AGTS on Sept 3, 2022 0:28:12 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Em Beihold. She definitely fits.
Also, it's too early to say this yet, but Dove Cameron could definitely be here.
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Post by big2000 on Sept 3, 2022 0:30:37 GMT -5
Iβd say itβs too early to mention Em Beihold. Numb Little Bug hasnβt even fallen off the Hot 100 yet.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Sept 3, 2022 1:18:59 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Em Beihold. She definitely fits. Also, it's too early to say this yet, but Dove Cameron could definitely be here. Em Beihold and Dove Cameron don't have albums yet which is why neither have been mentioned
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 3, 2022 1:41:42 GMT -5
From a US-centric perspective though, she does fit. Her English-language career was a complete failure to launch in the US, she may have gotten a few club hits thanks to her dance remixes, but none of her album's 3 singles were given a proper push. I've long presumed it was because her label was so used to just putting material out there and the market would automatically react (which would be helped by the fact that she was already a massive act in her home market) that they completely failed to follow any of the standard steps to marketing an act in the US market. It's a shame things didn't work out for her in the US, her English album is rather good IMO. I figured that this thread was more than just about the U.S. I stand by what I said The thread seemed to be coming from a more US-centric angle though, otherwise in a global sense yes, BoA wouldn't count and neither would any of the Aussie acts I mentioned (since they've all been quite successful locally and, for some of them, the UK as well).
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20β21 on Sept 3, 2022 4:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Sept 3, 2022 5:46:29 GMT -5
I figured that this thread was more than just about the U.S. I stand by what I said The thread seemed to be coming from a more US-centric angle though, otherwise in a global sense yes, BoA wouldn't count and neither would any of the Aussie acts I mentioned (since they've all been quite successful locally and, for some of them, the UK as well). Well in BoA and Hikaru Utada's case, it wasn't just that they were successful locally but that their success was in a different language and culture. I know they can speak and sing in English but that was and isn't their target demographic, so for me it's fine that they didn't really crossover stateside. I'd argue that they should be lauded as is for breaking through (for as small as they did) in spite of the cultural and language barrier.
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Post by π―π² lucy88 π―π² on Sept 3, 2022 6:05:27 GMT -5
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Post by Trilogy on Sept 4, 2022 3:07:02 GMT -5
no one has mentioned eva simons and i think that point alone authenticates it lmfao. she had one song on interscope and completely went under after. respectfully touching on this but it's not like people generally listened to take over control for her. i don't think i can take myself up bring up any more artists because anyone can be huge nowadays, it's just that i had one that swiftly popped up in my head.
people already saying em beihold is a part of this is... odd. apart from the industry being insolevent to signing people as hot as her (sorry) i see her managing a crowd that keeps her afloat as long as we're still in an era of music where tiktok means jackshit
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 4, 2022 8:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by SabrinaFan on Sept 4, 2022 10:09:46 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Em Beihold. She definitely fits. Also, it's too early to say this yet, but Dove Cameron could definitely be here. Em Beihold and Dove Cameron don't have albums yet which is why neither have been mentioned Just in general, I don't understand why people immediately turn to "failure to launch" with people whose first single just fell off the charts and don't even have albums yet. One "failure to launch," with Em's EP and Dove's single "Breakfast" underperforming (so far), doesn't mean these artists are automatically failures forever. If they had several albums or singles that underperformed, that makes sense, but at least give them a chance.
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Post by M5AGTS on Sept 4, 2022 13:16:53 GMT -5
Honestly, J Hud might be the definition of this. I can't think of anyone else who fits this better.
Also guys, I said Dove Cameron could fit in here EVENTUALLY. I never said she fits rn.
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Post by Nasarati on Sept 4, 2022 14:24:21 GMT -5
After considering everything said in this column, I think that "established overseas/foreign acts that try and fail to launch themselves into the American market" and "brand new American artist tries to launch in the mainstream and fails" belong in two different categories. Girls Generation, Utada Hikaru and Rita Ora clearly belong to the former category, whereas Daya and Alessia Cara and other flash-in-the-pan American artists are the latter.
I also feel like child stars who failed to transition to adult-stardom like Victoria Justice belong in their own little subcategory, especially because these artists often 'fail' simply because they realize they don't actually want to be mega-famous and their record labels/management can't force them into doing things like they used to.
So, you could say we have three distinct categories:
1. Failure to launch 2. Failure to launch in America 3. Failure to re-launch as an adult
Also: I think that developing a cult/devoted fanbase disqualifies you from being a 'failed to launch' artist. Carly Rae Jepsen clearly didn't experience much commercial success after Call Me Maybe, but she has a super dedicated core fanbase. Same goes for Charli XCX and Kim Petras. You cannot say the same of Bebe Rexha or Skye Sweetnam or Ava Max or whatever. I know Bebe Rexha and Ava Max have hits, but they're not hits because they have fans who care about the artist's life and persona, they're hits because they're songs you can easily play on the radio in between fucking Bojangles commercials.
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Post by johnm1120 on Sept 9, 2022 20:31:20 GMT -5
Is it safe to throw Jackson Wang into this thread now?
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Post by Nasarati on Sept 9, 2022 20:41:42 GMT -5
Is it safe to throw Jackson Wang into this thread now? I don't know enough about K-pop or C-pop to say. Did he try to break into the American market, or did he just fail to launch a solo career in his home country? The only thing I can say for sur after a cursory Google: holy fuck this guy is good-looking.
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Post by johnm1120 on Sept 9, 2022 20:46:13 GMT -5
Rechecked his history. He's had 5 songs make the pop top 50, but only "100 Ways" made it into the top 25 (peaked at #23).
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Post by upsidedown on Sept 12, 2022 11:45:25 GMT -5
Sadly, I would also consider Austin Mahone in this category as well. Yep, He was always supposed to be another Bieber and then it just didn't happen. I have to say, Alessia Cara may have the award for biggest "huge hit star to doing literally nothing" I've seen in the modern era. She went from being such a rising star to a nobody in like 2.5 seconds.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Sept 12, 2022 11:56:41 GMT -5
Is it safe to throw Jackson Wang into this thread now? I don't know enough about K-pop or C-pop to say. Did he try to break into the American market, or did he just fail to launch a solo career in his home country? The only thing I can say for sur after a cursory Google: holy f**k this guy is good-looking. He was a member of GOT7 who were successful in the early 2010s k-pop scene. In fact, they're still going strong today, they released their comeback this year. That said, he has been mainly making English music since about 2018, only a couple songs haven't been in English, as of late so I would count him as failed-to-launch unlike say Hikaru Utada or IU who went back to their native language after pivots in English.
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 12, 2022 12:09:02 GMT -5
Sadly, I would also consider Austin Mahone in this category as well. Yep, He was always supposed to be another Bieber and then it just didn't happen. I have to say, Alessia Cara may have the award for biggest "huge hit star to doing literally nothing" I've seen in the modern era. She went from being such a rising star to a nobody in like 2.5 seconds. Honestly it's kind of insane just looking at Spotify. First "era" Seventeen 73,392,696 Here 504,618,002 I'm Yours 67,193,850 Wild Things 387,023,780 River of Tears 158,259,593 Scars to Your Beautiful 1,097,266,240 How Far I'll Go 658,159,577 1-800-273-8255 1,176,012,969 Stay 1,068,287,024 Second "era" Growing Pains 75,388,050 A Little More 58,322,115 Not Today 32,043,404 Trust My Lonely 56,882,323 Out of Love 336,916,424 [very bizarre outlier here] Let Me Down Slowly 105,818,659 Ready 132,798,169 Rooting for You 51,195,428 Okay Okay 16,289,520 October 37,290,271 Querer Mejor 46,851,439 Another Place 66,160,874 Make It to Christmas 59,438,392 Third "era" Welcome Back 16,196,935 I Choose 55,818,877 Shapeshifter 2,735,067 Best Days 18,715,334 Sweet Dream 21,335,012 The Use In Trying 4,705,924 WTSGD 2,927,874 What a stark contrast!
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 12, 2022 12:10:23 GMT -5
Also, for that matter, it reminded me of another two that can be added to this list. Alec Benjamin and Ali Gatie.
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Post by johnm1120 on Sept 12, 2022 23:01:14 GMT -5
I'll also throw The Vamps in here. They never got passed #41.
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Post by johnm1120 on Jan 17, 2023 16:52:50 GMT -5
Is it too early to throw Tate McRae in there? She gets the airplay, but that's about it. Her sales and streams are almost non-existent.
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Post by Nasarati on Jan 17, 2023 21:37:36 GMT -5
Is it too early to throw Tate McRae in there? She gets the airplay, but that's about it. Her sales and streams are almost non-existent. It's definitely too early to say, but I think you're going to be proven right in the long run. I see a lot of major label energy being put into producing her, but neither a fanbase nor an interesting artistic persona have manifested around her. Personally: I think she seems like a studio attempt at putting Billie and Olivia into a blender and making watered-down Gen Z pop soup.
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Post by Carlitoz on Jan 18, 2023 11:41:52 GMT -5
was there ever an intention to launch a POP STAR career for Michael Jackson's and Madonna's daughters? I think not, right? Their music released seems so not commercial to me and released without a big marketing machinery behind. I guess it was just the wish of making music without any pressure.
Annie Lennox's daughter's case on the other hand I believe there was a bigger intention of really launching a career. I like her, but it feels that it's gone so far nowhere unfortunately.
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Post by wjr15 on Jan 18, 2023 12:51:07 GMT -5
Hailee Steinfeld just came to mind. I feel like a lot of labels tried to launch new pop stars in 2015-16 with Hailee Steinfeld, Elle King, Alessia Cara, Daya, Kiiara, and Zara Larsson all launching around that time but none of them stuck around.
Ironically, Bebe Rexha started around this time too and she is doing the best out of all them, currently Top 10 on the charts.
I mentioned Meghan Trainor last year and now I take it back. Sheβs in the middle of a career revival right now.
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Post by Mic Technique on Jan 18, 2023 14:27:24 GMT -5
Normani is probably the most famous example of a failure to launch pop act this decade. Don't be too shy to say it! Stacie Orrico Paula DeAnda Kat DeLuna Christina Milian Amerie Mya Lumidee BoA Utada Hikaru Cassie Teairra Mari Tinashe So many legends sigh. I was part of Stacie's "street team." I obviously did not do my job. Samantha JadeSigned to Jive Records in the mid-2000's, was working with A-list collaborators and producers but several attempts to launch her never got off the ground and her debut Jive album never materialized. Her biggest US song (debut single 'Turn Around') only made the top 100 on pop radio, and the follow-up single ('Eyes On Me') never even leaked in its original version (only remixes). Eventually she got dropped and she came back to Australia. Later she won The X Factor and finally got her music career off the ground, where she's been decently successful. She has no interest in trying again, presumably because her first experience went so poorly. Ugh, that, I believe, Lil' Jon produced "I'm In Hate With You" snippet that was on autoplay on her Jive website was complete fire. I hate that I never got to hear anything from that album in full. Ironically, Bebe Rexha started around this time too and she is doing the best out of all them, currently Top 10 on the charts. One thing I know in life is you can never count out BLETA REXHA.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jan 18, 2023 14:48:12 GMT -5
As much as I love him, blackbear. He has a couple pop hits and a huge cult following, but I don't think he'll ever really crossover into being a huge pop star even with good hooks. But I think he's fine with where he's at right now.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jan 18, 2023 16:33:34 GMT -5
I know she's had varying degrees of success here and there but Kelly Rowland should have been a damn superstar. So many squandered opportunities and all around bad management.
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