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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 20:06:37 GMT -5
Yes it is because I didn’t say top 100 country songs, I said Carrie’s top 5 most popular songs. If you go to an artist’s page it has their top most popular songs at the moment. Go on Carrie’s page and you’ll see it there. That’s, of course, a promising sign considering it used to be nowhere on her top songs and is now there, so there is some Interest brewing. Hopefully this continues and it receives more overall attention Oh okay, my deepest apologies I am sorry for misreading your post (it is important to note that the Hot Country playlist pretty much means any song will be in the Top 5 of an artist as see Dan + Shay's latest, Miranda Lambert "Strange", etc. and pretty much any song in that playlist) Also it would make sense this is in the Top 5 of her singles on Spotify since well it's the current single. I will say my link though does contextualize where "Hate My Heart" ranks in terms of total country songs which should count for something in terms of analyzing how much "Hate My Heart" is connecting. Is there some interest? Yes. But I do think this not even being in the Top 100 on Spotify Country Songs does raise a few eyebrows for me at least as this does need to really start getting some more buzz now that it's Top 30. No worries! I just was thinking that since it used to not be in Carrie’s top 5, and now it is (which I didn’t really expect to happen), maybe that means there is starting to be some significant interest as it climbs the chart and starts to get played more. If this continues (I hope it does) as it goes even further up the chart, then hopefully it will soon make the top 100 country songs playlists like the one you shared and things like that too. I just think it’s a good sign 😅
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Post by tigerman2022 on Jan 17, 2023 18:57:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 22:30:31 GMT -5
Week #12 on Billboard this week, and HMH is up to #28! I'm very happy with this chart run.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 21:39:23 GMT -5
Sorry for the double post! Up to #26 on Billboard this week, 13 weeks on. It has been consistently been moving up multiple spaces a week on Billboard and is doing better there then on Mediabase (good sign!). I think radio has chosen HMH as a future #1
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 27, 2023 21:57:35 GMT -5
The one thing that is making me very hesitant about this hitting #1 eventually is the lack of buzz. The fact this song is nearing the Top 25 and has yet to appear on the Hot Country Songs chart is still concerning for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 23:48:35 GMT -5
The one thing that is making me very hesitant about this hitting #1 eventually is the lack of buzz. The fact this song is nearing the Top 25 and has yet to appear on the Hot Country Songs chart is still concerning for me. Yes this does worry me as well. I am holding out hope that it will start picking up streams and soon appear on HCS!
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Post by Crimsonio on Jan 28, 2023 10:37:03 GMT -5
I still hate this choice for a second single, but it's doing ok I guess.
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Post by daddy on Jan 28, 2023 11:50:30 GMT -5
Genuine question: have any of Carrie’s singles really streamed well outside of duets? She just seems to be of an age where it’s difficult for her sex to pull big streaming numbers.
While this would definitely impact her on the HCS chart, does it really affect her that much in terms of the charts based solely on airplay?
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 28, 2023 11:59:28 GMT -5
Genuine question: have any of Carrie’s singles really streamed well outside of duets? She just seems to be of an age where it’s difficult for her sex to pull big streaming numbers. While this would definitely impact her on the HCS chart, does it really affect her that much in terms of the charts based solely on airplay? It does because of her gender as I can't remember the last time a solo female song hit #1 on both charts and was a total non streaming/sales entity as often times a song by a female singer needs to both test well and connect well to clinch the deal to hit #1 on radio ("The Bones", "I Hope", "Bluebird", "Things A Man Oughta Know", etc). Radio is only willing to take a streaming/sales single misfire so far especially if they are by a female artist.
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Post by zdm1998 on Jan 28, 2023 12:00:31 GMT -5
Genuine question: have any of Carrie’s singles really streamed well outside of duets? She just seems to be of an age where it’s difficult for her sex to pull big streaming numbers. While this would definitely impact her on the HCS chart, does it really affect her that much in terms of the charts based solely on airplay? I feel like her stuff pre Cry Pretty streamed at least decently, especially considering that those had pretty decent sales in addition to the streams. Post Cry Pretty, when sales pretty much bottomed out, the only songs that continue to stream good are Southbound and The Champion. The rest have leveled out. I hope this starts to connect better, because like Ray said, radio being sexist like they are, will only send a poor connector so high for a female even if it is testing good (a la Ghost Story.)
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Post by daddy on Jan 28, 2023 12:36:59 GMT -5
Ugh. Not that I’m just realising this, but the criteria differences for men and women within the genre is infuriating.
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Post by schnetzka on Jan 28, 2023 13:05:41 GMT -5
Other than "Some Hearts" - if for some reason "Hate My Heart" doesn't chart on Hot Country Songs, it'll be her first solo single to not chart on that chart. Even "Ghost Story" made it to #12.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jan 28, 2023 13:21:28 GMT -5
Other than "Some Hearts" - if for some reason "Hate My Heart" doesn't chart on Hot Country Songs, it'll be her first solo single to not chart on that chart. Even "Ghost Story" made it to #12. I don’t think we have to worry about it not charting at all there - it’s airplay will continue to rise and most top 20 hits on radio will make the top 50 of Hot Country Songs. So unless this gets pulled from radio or some crazy thing happens to make radio drop this all of a sudden, we are looking at minimum a top 20 hit on Country Airplay (top 15 is probably a safe bet too). Now how FAR it gets on Hot Country Songs is another story and one that’s going to be hard to compare to other songs in her career since Hot Country Songs used to be the name of the airplay-only chart until 2012 - right before Blown Away had the chance to hit #1 on it (hence her #2 peak on HCS for BA). For example, if HCS had been the way it is back in 2006, I bet “Some Hearts” would’ve charted on HCS. Maybe not - not all Kane Brown’s pop-only hits chart on HCS, I don’t think, but it would’ve had enough airplay from HAC and digital sales to probably make it as a non-single back then. Music consumption has just changed SO MUCH in 10 years and artists like Carrie, for some reason, just haven’t translated (unfortunately) to being a big streaming artist.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 28, 2023 13:52:04 GMT -5
Maybe not - not all Kane Brown’s pop-only hits chart on HCS, I don’t think Some of his releases are ineligible because Billboard determines them to not be country songs, which is fair since they aren't. ETA: Also there is literally NO chance this doesn't chart at all on HCS. It will probably debut within the next couple weeks. I don't think a top 20 airplay hit has ever missed the HCS chart, due to the audience levels from radio holding weight, so it won't happen here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 22:09:54 GMT -5
I wish there was something that could be done to help with HMH's streaming shortcomings. Radio clearly likes it, it's made it pretty high so far in a pretty fast time, so it is definitely clear radio is enjoying this song. But I would like UMG to try and pull out all the stops to get this streaming help. I remember when iTunes was popular, often a song would be discounted to help boost it a bit. And the Carrie fan in me *really* wants her to have a streaming hit in the future, so I wish there was something that could be done.
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Post by jab820 on Jan 28, 2023 22:50:42 GMT -5
I wish there was something that could be done to help with HMH's streaming shortcomings. Radio clearly likes it, it's made it pretty high so far in a pretty fast time, so it is definitely clear radio is enjoying this song. But I would like UMG to try and pull out all the stops to get this streaming help. I remember when iTunes was popular, often a song would be discounted to help boost it a bit. And the Carrie fan in me *really* wants her to have a streaming hit in the future, so I wish there was something that could be done. Their options are to get this on as many playlists as possible and/or hope the song goes viral. Streaming is a crazy place to try to make a song work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 22:59:21 GMT -5
I wish there was something that could be done to help with HMH's streaming shortcomings. Radio clearly likes it, it's made it pretty high so far in a pretty fast time, so it is definitely clear radio is enjoying this song. But I would like UMG to try and pull out all the stops to get this streaming help. I remember when iTunes was popular, often a song would be discounted to help boost it a bit. And the Carrie fan in me *really* wants her to have a streaming hit in the future, so I wish there was something that could be done. Their options are to get this on as many playlists as possible and/or hope the song goes viral. Streaming is a crazy place to try to make a song work. Yes, I would like UMG to try one of the options you named. But unfortunately, I don't think HMH is on any Spotify playlist (I may be wrong). But definitely I would love for Carrie to have a viral song. It really is amazing how that can make a song a big hit and hit has happened for a few country artists. I wish UMG would have a team or something dedicated to trying to make the song go viral (well, all their artists' songs if we're being logical), lol.
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Post by dwindeezy on Jan 30, 2023 17:50:00 GMT -5
IMO, she is more of a legacy act to me atp in her career, doing GREAT touring while her commercial buzz and sales/streams fade. She’s not a buzzy artist anymore as more female artists have more commercial buzz and general public relateability, if that makes sense. You won’t see Carrie getting attention or going viral on social media in the way Lainey Wilson’s booty or Morgan Wallen’s scandal did but she’ll get solid hits on radio contributing to her touring for the time being while performing “mediocre to decent” commercially. Not mad about that. And when country completely cools on her, I could see a CCM push before a retirement.
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Post by Troublemaker on Jan 30, 2023 20:18:57 GMT -5
Okay I need this song to at least chart on country songs before Morgan’s album is released.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 23:58:22 GMT -5
IMO, she is more of a legacy act to me atp in her career, doing GREAT touring while her commercial buzz and sales/streams fade. She’s not a buzzy artist anymore as more female artists have more commercial buzz and general public relateability, if that makes sense. You won’t see Carrie getting attention or going viral on social media in the way Lainey Wilson’s booty or Morgan Wallen’s scandal did but she’ll get solid hits on radio contributing to her touring for the time being while performing “mediocre to decent” commercially. Not mad about that. And when country completely cools on her, I could see a CCM push before a retirement. I understand the point you’re making, and I sort of agree on some parts. Though I would argue She isn’t as commercially known as she once was, but she’s still pretty known to the public and gets a decent amount of attention there and is still buzzy. I always see her on viral TikToks and getting talked about there often lol. Plus SNF always makes her go viral imo. I definitely think she still has viral moments, she’s just not the same level as Morgan with social media and viral type things - but the unfortunate part is I think she *can* go viral and be commercial like Morgan and Lainey, there just needs to be an effort. Tbh I feel like the general public talks about and knows her more than radio plays her music lately lol
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Post by jab820 on Feb 20, 2023 13:44:51 GMT -5
I came across a Twitter thread of Carrie fans panicking about today's bad update. I know they're overreacting, but do we have solid callout data on this as it approaches top 20?
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Post by raylatch98 on Feb 20, 2023 14:12:16 GMT -5
I came across a Twitter thread of Carrie fans panicking about today's bad update. I know they're overreacting, but do we have solid callout data on this as it approaches top 20? We have Monday Morning Intel which has this ranked 28th out of 50 in the callout scores. So not bad at all. Not great but not bad considering where it's at on the charts (#24 on Mediabase and #25 on Billboard). It is important to note there's still not much buzz though as this still isn't in the Hot Country Songs chart (maybe tomorrow it will finally debut). I am just curious how high radio is gonna let this song climb since there's not much interest in this song. Because it does seem like the chart stagnation, the lack of streaming/buzz with this song is starting to show. Also I am gonna say "Ghost Story" underperforming a bit didn't leave a ton of momentum for whatever was released next. I do think this makes Top 20 and probably Top 15 but unless it really starts driving some interest I can see it being another "Ghost Story", "Cry Pretty", "Love Wins", or "Drinking Alone" where it just dies in the 6-15 range.
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Post by tigerman2022 on Feb 20, 2023 16:37:21 GMT -5
Carrie needs to change the narrative with her music - her country music. I would love a more personal album from her, one where she has a stronger role in the songwriting, maybe less songwriting by committee sessions. It's time we hear that from Carrie, in my opinion. She needs to lean into her voice and use it as a storyteller and picture painter. "Denim and Rhinestones" wasn't it. It's fine, and clever in places, but it's not unique in content or themes. I want more "Low" and less "Denim and Rhinestones."
Just my opinion, I know. Most others will probably disagree. I love her voice and most of her music. I'm just looking for more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 17:44:54 GMT -5
I don’t know how much I buy streaming is going to kill HMH.
FWIW, other songs on the chart such as Sam Hunt’s current song are doing fine and several, too, haven’t even charted on the hot 100.. yet radio seems fine playing them, so I don’t think lack of streaming will be an end all. Plus it’s supposedly picking up in streaming according to UMG.
Most songs had a really bad week on the chart last week. By Sunday, 19/30 songs had a double digit bullet or lost the bullet
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Post by raylatch98 on Feb 20, 2023 18:22:19 GMT -5
I don’t know how much I buy streaming is going to kill HMH. FWIW, other songs on the chart such as Sam Hunt’s current song are doing fine and several, too, haven’t even charted on the hot 100.. yet radio seems fine playing them, so I don’t think lack of streaming will be an end all. Plus it’s supposedly picking up in streaming according to UMG. Most songs had a really bad week on the chart last week. By Sunday, 19/30 songs had a double digit bullet or lost the bullet I mean Sam Hunt's current single is at least up to #28 on the Hot Country Songs where as "Hate My Heart" isn't even on the chart so there is a difference. I also wouldn't say Sam Hunt's is doing fine since it has taken 35 weeks to make it to #16 on Country Airplay. But that's besides the point. The point still stands that for solo female songs to really succeed and go the distance (as in make the Top 3 and even #1) they need a solid streaming and connection with the general public. Lack of connection (and sexism) is what killed "Ghost Story" and limited to a Top 10 peak (the music video still hasn't clocked in 2 million views) and right now "Hate My Heart" isn't showing much more interest than "Ghost Story" did. I do believe UMG that it has probably picked up a bit in streaming, but nothing too special I don't think to make it stand out from the crowd. I will agree a lot of songs had a bad week, that is pretty much agreed on everywhere, but that doesn't change my lack of faith in "Hate My Heart" and it's long term prospects. Agree to disagree here?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 0:06:14 GMT -5
I don’t know how much I buy streaming is going to kill HMH. FWIW, other songs on the chart such as Sam Hunt’s current song are doing fine and several, too, haven’t even charted on the hot 100.. yet radio seems fine playing them, so I don’t think lack of streaming will be an end all. Plus it’s supposedly picking up in streaming according to UMG. Most songs had a really bad week on the chart last week. By Sunday, 19/30 songs had a double digit bullet or lost the bullet I mean Sam Hunt's current single is at least up to #28 on the Hot Country Songs where as "Hate My Heart" isn't even on the chart so there is a difference. I also wouldn't say Sam Hunt's is doing fine since it has taken 35 weeks to make it to #16 on Country Airplay. But that's besides the point. The point still stands that for solo female songs to really succeed and go the distance (as in make the Top 3 and even #1) they need a solid streaming and connection with the general public. Lack of connection (and sexism) is what killed "Ghost Story" and limited to a Top 10 peak (the music video still hasn't clocked in 2 million views) and right now "Hate My Heart" isn't showing much more interest than "Ghost Story" did. I do believe UMG that it has probably picked up a bit in streaming, but nothing too special I don't think to make it stand out from the crowd. I will agree a lot of songs had a bad week, that is pretty much agreed on everywhere, but that doesn't change my lack of faith in "Hate My Heart" and it's long term prospects. Agree to disagree here? The comment about lots of songs having a bad week wasn’t addressed towards you, it was a reply to the initial post about Carrie fans being worried about todays update. (Actually my whole post was just a general reply not to any one person 😅). Aside from that, I never said it would be a #1 smash, but I don’t think it peaks at 15 either. In short, that was my point in my first post and all I was trying to say. That I don’t think it peaks at something sort of low like 15. I never said streaming was good or that it would go to #1 for weeks. But if it does go to where GS did, which we agree is possible, I think that’s more than okay for a song not streaming well. That’s all I was trying to say. And I actually don’t think we really disagree on anything ;). Long version, At this point, since those like Hunt are likely heading for a top ten peak, I think that’s definitely more likely. After HMH has been on the chart another 4 months like he has, I’m sure it’ll be around 30 on the HCS chart as well. Aside from this, HMH’s only problem is arguably a lack of streaming. Which I never denied and made several posts about a few weeks ago (so we do agree on that too), but I would have expected it climb really slow due to GS likely killing her momentum, but it honestly has made it to where it is relatively quickly. That, to me, means radio at least likes it fine. Because of that, and assuming it continues to test fine, I think streaming is overlooked and this at least goes top ten. Which was my point from the beginning, that I don’t think streaming by itself kills the song and it can make it to a respectable peak. If it goes top ten, which you do agree might happen, that’s honestly fine all things considered and a fair end result. (She can have a #1 hit with other tracks this album hopefully). So I guess we do agree on that, lol. This is also assuming streaming doesn’t continue to pick up, which it might. ot course, this is all just my opinion but I really think we don’t disagree on anything :)
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Post by austin on Feb 21, 2023 11:40:51 GMT -5
Honestly, as a big fan of the album, I really dislike this song - that said, when it comes on the radio it sounds right at home and I can understand why they went with it over 'Velvet Heartbreak' which is a song I love. I see this making a push for #1. It's moving at a really nice pace.
'Burn' or bust, next, though.
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Post by zdm1998 on Feb 21, 2023 12:18:49 GMT -5
I think this peaks somewhere in the 5-10 range unless it sees a pickup in consumer interest. I do think "Burn" has the potential to move the needle a little more than this one as I saw more praise for that one across the board than I did with this one before it was a single. Feel like that is almost guaranteed to be single 3.
RIP to Miss Velvet Heartbreak though. That one has so much personality and I feel would have smashed on the radio.
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Post by SHOOTER on Feb 21, 2023 16:41:06 GMT -5
Bury VH right next to Chaser as one of her biggest missed single opportunities (in America at least).
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Post by carriefan15 on Feb 21, 2023 22:25:19 GMT -5
Bury VH right next to Chaser as one of her biggest missed single opportunities (in America at least). Should have been the lead single!!!
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