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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Feb 21, 2023 22:43:19 GMT -5
Well Carrie hasn't ever done less than 4 singles so I can see them still pushing 2 more.
"Burn" and "Velvet Heartbreak" would be a great way to end the era. "She Don't Know" would be my other option.
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Post by raylatch98 on Feb 21, 2023 22:46:19 GMT -5
Since I don't really see a lot of this album connecting even if released to radio I do hope after this they go with the only 2 songs on the album that for me have replay factor aka "Pink Champagne" or "Garden".
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Feb 21, 2023 22:48:30 GMT -5
Since I don't really see a lot of this album connecting even if released to radio I do hope after this they go with the only 2 songs on the album that for me have replay factor aka "Pink Champagne" or "Garden". "Pink Champagne" I can see them wanting to release..."Garden" I don't hear anything that would appeal to radio. I don't dislike the song but it's not single material.
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Post by raylatch98 on Feb 21, 2023 22:52:03 GMT -5
Since I don't really see a lot of this album connecting even if released to radio I do hope after this they go with the only 2 songs on the album that for me have replay factor aka "Pink Champagne" or "Garden". "Pink Champagne" I can see them wanting to release..."Garden" I don't hear anything that would appeal to radio. I don't dislike the song but it's not single material. Oh it's not single material but I just like it the most on the album hence why I want it released.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Feb 22, 2023 0:46:54 GMT -5
I’m not surprised to see this struggling to connect on streaming. This is why I always thought this was a bad choice - it felt too safe for radio. But the problem is that Carrie’s team and label somewhat forgot that as a female artist, they cannot just reach the top of summit without other components being connected as well (i.e., streaming, sales, etc).
This is why I was rooting for either Pink Champagne or Crazy Angels as the second single because these two felt like songs that’d immediately captivate the GP. However, I don’t see them being third single at all anymore nor do I see a fourth single out of this project. The third should be Burn since that’s the fan favorite and could be a nice way to treat the fans as a closer.
And yes, Velvet Heartbreak should’ve been the lead, what a missed opportunity.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 22, 2023 0:53:12 GMT -5
"Burn" is 100% the correct choice for the next single. The melody of that song lives rent free in my head and has since last summer... and it will for everyone who hears it blasting out of the radio speakers in their car.
I think "Hate My Heart" has been doing fine. The consumer interest is low so far, but it seems to be moving up nicely at country radio so far, so it's way too soon to be panicking about where it'll peak on the charts. People are guessing/predicting anything from a #1 hit to a #15 hit for this one, so I think that says it all as far as: it's just too early. Carrie single runs are always like this (i.e. everyone freaking out over every little bump in the road) so I suppose it's par the course.
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Post by daddy on Feb 22, 2023 6:47:27 GMT -5
"Burn" MUST be third. It's the biggest hit off this album and I predict it will be her biggest solo hit since "Church Bells" - although not nearly as big.
IF they go 4 deep, I'd vote for "She Don't Know". Get drag queens to play the leads in the music video and make it country-camp af. Throw us all off, Carrie.
If not "She Don't Know", the only other solid option is "Velvet Heartbreak".
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Post by Sugar Rush on Feb 22, 2023 11:27:44 GMT -5
"Burn" MUST be third. It's the biggest hit off this album and I predict it will be her biggest solo hit since "Church Bells" - although not nearly as big. IF they go 4 deep, I'd vote for "She Don't Know". Get drag queens to play the leads in the music video and make it country-camp af. Throw us all off, Carrie. If not "She Don't Know", the only other solid option is "Velvet Heartbreak". I love the idea of a drag campy music video for She Don’t Know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 14:47:41 GMT -5
I completely share the Same sentiment as all of you do about “Burn”. That song is my absolute jam! It is so fun to sing and is just a blast. It’ll be a HUGE hit and I totally believe it’ll stream well too. But I’d also be happy with “Crazy Angels”, which they need to release if they do four singles, as I totally believe that song too would smash. It’s also so, so fun and so catchy, and both are radio and streaming hits waiting to happen IMO.
I’m totally okay with HMH being a rather noiseless single, going top ten, and then moving on to Carrie’s biggest hit since 2016. Because “Burn” and “Crazy Angels” are definitely hits waiting to happen. They could both totally revive her momentum at radio leading into her next album
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Post by #brayden on Feb 22, 2023 15:15:43 GMT -5
Isn't the tour wrapping up next month? I doubt they'll push two singles after it ends and I'm not overly optimistic about a third single since this was, in my opinion, their best chance at capturing the attention of listeners that aren't middle aged women or the odd gay man.
I can't imagine these last two singles have been very profitable for her label so I'm not sure how they can justify a third given the abysmal streaming, sales, etc.
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Post by zdm1998 on Feb 22, 2023 15:43:09 GMT -5
I can’t guarantee there will be a fourth single, but I can almost guarantee there won’t only be two. Even if “Hate My Heart” were to peak where it’s at now we’ll still at least get a third single, even if it’s just to keep her name out there between projects.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 15:43:59 GMT -5
A third single is almost certain. They pushed Drinking Alone well after the tour was over, plus, with her long gaps between her albums, even if she has a new album next year (very well could happen, if she takes off 2023 and works on it in 2024), a third single would be ideal to help bridge the gap.
if UMG is bothered that the singles this era aren’t profitable, then maybe they’d work on getting Carrie’s music success into the streaming world. I fully believe it’s possible. Maybe it’s something they could work on with a third single
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 24, 2023 8:36:10 GMT -5
I think there will be a third single for the Summer/Fall leading into the CMAs. Fourth, not so sure. Depends on how HMH and #3 do, tbh. If somewhere in there there’s a smash hit, it might breathe life into the album era after the tour.
I also think there might be additional tour dates announced for the Spring and Summer… those would have to be announced very soon, but I know there is demand internationally for some shows. The reasoning for a national tour was based in so much uncertainty about the world at the time. Now things seem a bit more stable in terms of travel… Some additional North American dates might come, too.
We’ll see… but I do think there’s at least one more single after this regardless.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Feb 25, 2023 12:00:03 GMT -5
This isn’t done right? I noticed it lost its bullet twice this week.
Also, if the third single is potentially the last from D & R, it better be “Burn.”
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Post by raylatch98 on Feb 25, 2023 12:11:15 GMT -5
This isn’t done right? I noticed it lost its bullet twice this week. Also, if the third single is potentially the last from D & R, it better be “Burn.” No it's not done, as the bottom hasn't fallen out on it yet (also look to earlier in this thread) this just has no buzz whatsoever hence why it has seen a huge slow down in gaining spins.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 16:52:34 GMT -5
I’m really sad this song has no buzz. I don’t know if it was the wrong single choice or what, but I’m unsure what could be done to make it have had buzz and do well. I do think Crazy Angels or Burn would do well, so maybe it’s just that
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Post by raylatch98 on Feb 26, 2023 10:21:06 GMT -5
I do think a few things could have helped this era to have more buzz, interest, and momentum especially since heading into this era Carrie Underwood had her biggest hit since "Blown Away" with "If I Didn't Love You" leading into this era.
1. Embrace Tik-Tok fully and get a song going absolutely viral on that platform. Some of the newest acts in country music have absolutely used that app to it's fullest extent (Bailey Zimmerman, Nate Smith, Corey Kent, Lainey Wilson, Priscilla Block) and has really helped them out (I am not saying these acts are bigger than Carrie Underwood, but almost all have more interest due to embracing Tik-Tok). Getting a song to go viral especially on her latest album which is full of radio friendly singles would help tremendously.
2. Have a duet/feature on this last album. I never get how we are now 7 regular country studio albums in Carrie Underwood's career and besides 2 songs on Play On ("Look At Me" which featured Vince Gill, and "What Can I Say" which featured Sons Of Sylvia) and "The Champion" with Ludacris there has never been a full fledged duet on one of her albums or even a feature that could be sent to country radio. Country music duets/features are still doing pretty well as within the 2021-2023 years there has been a fair amount that have been hits on the radio ("Thinking Bout You", "Half Of My Hometown", "Drunk And I Don't Wanna Go Home", "Never Wanted To Be That Girl", "Famous Friends", "Never Say Never", "Thank God", "Wait In The Truck", "Half Of Me", "Chasing After You", "Wishful Drinking", "Freedom Was A Highway", "At The End Of A Bar", "Beers On Me", "Buy Dirt", the already mentioned "If I Didn't Love You", "Cold Beer Calling My Name", "Drinking Beer, Talking God, Amen") I have always thought having a collab is one of the best things an artist can do for an album to get engagement for an upcoming album as a lot of times those attract interest especially if it's by a bigger name in the genre aka Carrie Underwood.
3. A better lead single choice. I get why people like "Ghost Story" but it was such a nothing burger of a hit and the song sold/streamed poorly and started the album off on such an underwhelming foot that pretty much made the album and most of the tracks an afterthought a few weeks after it was released. Honestly if it wasn't for Pulse I would totally forget about this album era.
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Post by recordyear on Feb 26, 2023 10:43:20 GMT -5
Second point is on-point. Given her influence you would think she would use it now.
First point though is not as easy as it seems. The artists you mentioned are new while CU is old. Plus regarding the latest album in particular I don't see the virality in any songs, but Tiktok may surprise me.
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Post by musicfan134 on Feb 26, 2023 14:05:28 GMT -5
Yeah that's not exactly how TikTok works. Artists/labels don't just decide they're going to have a song go viral on TikTok the way they can pay for radio to play their songs.
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Post by raylatch98 on Feb 26, 2023 15:04:35 GMT -5
Yeah that's not exactly how TikTok works. Artists/labels don't just decide they're going to have a song go viral on TikTok the way they can pay for radio to play their songs. I am aware they can't make a song go viral. But Carrie Underwood and her team can embrace the TikTok app and generate some buzz for her songs on this most recent album on that app since it is such a huge staple of the music industry.
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Post by zdm1998 on Feb 26, 2023 15:22:41 GMT -5
Yeah she seems like she’s been a lot more active on Instagram this album cycle, but probably should be focusing more on Tik Tok.
I think she has potential on Tik Tok. She posted recently about some leather pants she got and the video got a good amount of views. I feel like if she brought in her music into posts about her life like that then she could get traction. This is somewhat what Pricilla and others do. Whereas when she posts new music related things on there and the videos are straight promo they don’t do as well.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 26, 2023 15:31:50 GMT -5
Yeah she seems like she’s been a lot more active on Instagram this album cycle, but probably should be focusing more on Tik Tok. Most of her IG stories I came across them last summer around the time her album came out were her promoting her vegetable garden, so maybe she should've made "Garden" the single instead. 💀 In all seriousness, yeah, it feels like she hasn't made the transition with the times very well and properly embraced the younger crowd & their avenues of consumption. Maybe she doesn't want to and is fine with just being a touring juggernaut, but she could 100% still be doing better in the sales/streaming/radio areas with the right promotional efforts. Miranda Lambert's done a bit better job of this if you look at her streaming numbers vs. Carrie's, so it's perfectly possible ("If I Was a Cowboy" has over 70 million streams on Spotify vs. 26 million for "Ghost Story," i.e.).
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Post by schnetzka on Feb 26, 2023 15:35:36 GMT -5
Whatever route she decides to go in, please no 2:30 songs (looking at you "Crazy Angels"). It works in small doses like that song but do not make it a consistent thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 17:11:28 GMT -5
I completely agree with everything that has been said about TikTok. I really think with the right effort, Carrie could definitely have a song go viral on TikTok. And this is such a major benefit for artists. A song goes viral and it can transform a career and create an hot 100 smash. Even Reba had a song go viral, unintentionally, and not a new song, but it still happened. As others have said, when Carrie does post on TikTok, even if it is the most random video, they often get 5 million views. Imagine if that was a video with her song or songs from the album. They’re all so radio friendly there’s just no reason it couldn’t happen.
It’s just frustrating, because with the proper effort I fully believe her team can find success with sales and streaming in this era. But there’s just no effort. And because of the lack of effort, this era is just completely flying under the radar. It’s so upsetting having a lack of trying with this.
(And yeah, a duet would probably be huge. Radio loves them lol)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 0:53:04 GMT -5
Any thoughts as to why She Don’t Know is being put in a few Spotify and Apple Music playlists for new music (while HMH is not in those)? Could be random but I wonder if UMG is testing it out. But then again, there’s really no reason why HMH isn’t in those playlists being it’s the current single and it’s struggling with streaming (plus, crazy angels and burn are the streaming standouts 🫤)
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Post by 3chords on Feb 28, 2023 10:06:55 GMT -5
I remember miranda mentioning once while strange was the single that the streaming services preferred Actin Up and they were promoting it instead of the single on some playlists. maybe a situation like that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 15:08:31 GMT -5
I remember miranda mentioning once while strange was the single that the streaming services preferred Actin Up and they were promoting it instead of the single on some playlists. maybe a situation like that? Yeah, that could be the case I suppose. If it is, it’s so odd to me. Crazy Angels is definitely streaming better so I’m not sure why they’d prefer SDK. It’s also rather unfortunate this is happening, but it kind of partially explains why HMH is doing so bad with streaming. If it’s not in the playlists, that’s a huge loss
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Post by zdm1998 on Feb 28, 2023 15:27:36 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but hasn't "She Don't Know" always been in these playlists? I know on Apple Music ever since the release of the album its been one of the focus tracks of the album and had a star next to it. It was also in the main country playlist for a couple of months after the release of the album as well. I'd love for it to be a single in the future, i'm just not sure if they are actually testing it like many of you may think or if it has been in these playlists all along and we just didn't realize it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 16:30:09 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but hasn't "She Don't Know" always been in these playlists? I know on Apple Music ever since the release of the album its been one of the focus tracks of the album and had a star next to it. It was also in the main country playlist for a couple of months after the release of the album as well. I'd love for it to be a single in the future, i'm just not sure if they are actually testing it like many of you may think or if it has been in these playlists all along and we just didn't realize it. I might be wrong but I don’t recall seeing it in the new boots playlist until recently
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Post by bigd79 on Feb 28, 2023 20:17:17 GMT -5
And here’s me wishing tik tok was never invented. I don’t have it obviously but i tend to see random stuff on IG and i just think its a stupid waste of time. People are way too into stuff on their phones.
I do agree with Carrie releasing more duets or features, it really feels like she just prefers her own thing and doesn’t like to deviate too much from it, unless its with one of her best friends(Brad, Keith) or an obvious smash (Aldean). Would love to see her do more even if it brings her out of her comfort zone. She has become too predictable. But i still love her.
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