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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 1:44:34 GMT -5
And here’s me wishing tik tok was never invented. I don’t have it obviously but i tend to see random stuff on IG and i just think its a stupid waste of time. People are way too into stuff on their phones. I do agree with Carrie releasing more duets or features, it really feels like she just prefers her own thing and doesn’t like to deviate too much from it, unless its with one of her best friends(Brad, Keith) or an obvious smash (Aldean). Would love to see her do more even if it brings her out of her comfort zone. She has become too predictable. But i still love her. I would LOVE for Carrie to do a big, buzzy duet. When Jason did IIDLY with her, we saw how huge that was. Radio always loves duets (they excite radio for some reason lol), and when it’s with two stars and is good (IIDLY), they’re just absolutely massive. I think we can fully expect Carrie to do a duet after the D&R era, since she has had a duet after every album since Play On (Remind Me before BA, Somethin Bad before Storyteller, The Fighter before Cry Pretty, and IIDLY before D&R). Hopefully it’ll be as huge as IIDLY, too. But I’d love for her to have her own duet where she isn’t the featured artist. There was some fake news she had a duet with Niall Horan a few years back and that news blew up Twitter lol
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Post by austin on Mar 1, 2023 7:30:23 GMT -5
Carrie is never going to be the “it” girl again. She was the “it” girl for like 12 years. She has had a massive career. She is a legend and a hall of famer and one of the most talented vocalists in history.
Why are so many clamoring for her to appeal to radio or TikTok or whatever? I’d rather she just release high quality albums like this one (over the horrible Cry Pretty, for example) and tour her ass off. She’s a legacy artist now and that’s totally fine. She’s still relevant after almost 20 years. Queen.
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Post by schnetzka on Mar 1, 2023 7:45:06 GMT -5
Carrie is never going to be the “it” girl again. She was the “it” girl for like 12 years. She has had a massive career. She is a legend and a hall of famer and one of the most talent vocalists in history. Why are so many clamoring for her to appeal to radio or TikTok or whatever? I’d rather she just release high quality albums like this one (over the horrible Cry Pretty, for example) and tour her ass off. She’s a legacy artist now and that’s totally fine. She’s still relevant after almost 20 years. Queen. I agree with everything you said except for the fact that you called 'Cry Pretty' horrible considering it's my favorite album by her lol. But yeah, Carrie has been on top for a very long time now and it's time for the next generation to be on top. I just want her to continue releasing albums that she wants to make regardless if they do well or not. I just do not want her to turn into a Faith or Martina artist who starts taking longer and longer to release music until they stop completely in some cases.
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Post by taylor on Mar 1, 2023 8:44:08 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood has long since proven herself and her standing in country music history and this industry. She doesn’t need to do much more. HMH is doing just fine; and if it somehow manages to top the charts that’s just icing on the cake at this point. With proper effort and the right singles, she could possibly become a Reba kind of story where she is able to find sporadic radio success well into her 50s, but the well is eventually just gonna run dry for her no matter what (much like it did for Reba…and for Dolly, and Loretta, etc.). I mean…she’s 40 now, her time on radio is running short. It’s ageist and it’s even more so sexist (especially when you have men like Kenny Chesney and George Strait still managing in the past few years to have stable radio hits whereas women in that same bracket such as Reba are no longer heard from), but unfortunately that’s just how it is. I personally would rather CU continues what she’s doing and makes top-tier music that she’s most passionate about (My Savior is her best album imo solely because of this; you can tell she put her entire being into that record) and continues reigning supreme as one of the biggest touring draws in the genre. Oh, and also being the queen of Sunday nights.
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Post by raylatch98 on Mar 1, 2023 9:03:56 GMT -5
Carrie is never going to be the “it” girl again. She was the “it” girl for like 12 years. She has had a massive career. She is a legend and a hall of famer and one of the most talented vocalists in history. Why are so many clamoring for her to appeal to radio or TikTok or whatever? I’d rather she just release high quality albums like this one (over the horrible Cry Pretty, for example) and tour her ass off. She’s a legacy artist now and that’s totally fine. She’s still relevant after almost 20 years. Queen. Does Carrie Underwood still need radio or to appeal to TikTok? No her career speaks for itself, but selfishly I want that because it is clear that country radio is only gonna play her so long and her music now is just not connecting (or at least this album isn't) and I want her to have a potential longevity of a Kenny Chesney or a Tim McGraw if she plays her cards right and it feels like her and UMG have been playing them all wrong and she is gonna be more of a Keith Urban. Maybe I am just being selfish here but I want her to maybe not be the it girl of country music but at least still be scoring big-ish hits like we saw when she was with Sony and the Stortyteller era and embracing the current trends in getting music popular. Hell still release this album, but pick a better lead single ("Ghost Story" wasn't lead single material), try and promote the album on Tiktok with making of songs or hyping up songs on that app, because this album and songs have had hardly any longevity (if it wasn't for Pulse I would honestly forget about this era entirely).
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Post by tigerman2022 on Mar 1, 2023 9:26:24 GMT -5
It won't be a surprise to me if Carrie's time with SNF ends sooner than later. Kelsea Ballerini on deck? Or someone else TBD. I hope it isn't true, but as I said it won't surprise me. It's unfortunately the nature of the business sometimes.
Regarding her music, I agree "My Savior" is her best album for reasons already discussed in this thread. Her legacy is well established at this point, BUT, she has so much more she can do music-wise. Just keep making music and I'll always be a supporter.
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Post by zdm1998 on Mar 1, 2023 10:08:19 GMT -5
She doesn’t have to be the “it” girl, but I still don’t think she’s living up to the potential she has with her promo choices and single choices at this stage in her career.
Will any of her future hits be the size of Blown Away or Before He Cheats? Probably not, but I believe she still has a lot of hits the size of Dirty Laundry, Smoke Break, Little Toy Guns, etc. left in her.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Mar 1, 2023 11:07:46 GMT -5
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Post by desertfloods on Mar 1, 2023 11:12:57 GMT -5
She doesn’t have to be the “it” girl, but I still don’t think she’s living up to the potential she has with her promo choices and single choices at this stage in her career. Will any of her future hits be the size of Blown Away or Before He Cheats? Probably not, but I believe she still has a lot of hits the size of Dirty Laundry, Smoke Break, Little Toy Guns, etc. left in her. Exactly this. I don't think anyone is realistically thinking Carrie will be able to get no.1 hits for every single, like she used to. I really enjoy D&R album and happy to see her releasing music that she likes, but it's very frustrating to see that there is barely any effort in promo, music videos, streaming etc. And to make things worse, the lead single is so weak, sounds same old, same old (but with worse lyrics) and doesn't represent the album well at all. I guess it's clear that the minimal promo efforts kind of show that Carrie herself wants to move on to the legacy act phase.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 14:22:45 GMT -5
I completely agree with what a couple of you have said. Of course I understand Carrie isn’t the “it girl” anymore, but like some have said, that doesn’t mean she can’t still have some hits here and there. And there’s a really strong argument for the fact that her songs aren’t doing well due to bad choices. Whether the single was the wrong choice or in the case of this era it’s been that plus the absolute lack of streaming promo. No one is expecting Carrie to be climbing the charts like Luke combs but there’s no reason she can’t have songs do as well as Dirty Laundry or Smoke Break. Which is especially proven by the fact that Southbound came very close to the success of those two, and it was only a couple singles ago. If she was able to do that recently, there’s no reason many of the absolute bops on this album can’t. They just need streaming promo and better management from UMG.
As others have said, I don’t think she is living up to the potential she still has. With the right singles this era and last era, and the right streaming promo this era specifically, Carrie definitely could be having an era like Storyteller. She still has that success left in her IMO
So, no, she might not be the it-girl, but I believe she can and should still be able to consistently go to the top five and score number ones every other song or so, too. Not expecting a hit like from Wallen but a regular Storyteller/Southbound performance is so totally possible for Carrie, consistently. Especially because having that success now would allow for radio to continue to play her for years to come
And yes, please UMG/Team CU, embrace tiktok. Labels often do this and it works wonder. I have no idea why her team won’t do so. Promo for this album was practically non existent and most people may not even know it exists. The songs on it have a ton of untapped potential. To be big hits both streaming and on radio. Why there’s zero effort to do that makes no sense to me, because Carrie definitely has a lot more potential to live up to right now. She can and should still be having regular hits
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Post by tigerman2022 on Mar 1, 2023 16:40:02 GMT -5
She has little momentum and buzz right now. This is disheartening because she has a killer tour going on (I've seen it and know how good it is). The album was pretty much DOA, which again is disheartening. Whatever she does after this album cycle needs to be rooted in out-of-the-box thinking. Regarding what to release next, I love "Burn" but the most out-of-the-box choice for Carrie that is also a quality one is "She Don't Know." I have no idea how long they should stick with "Hate My Heart" before moving on.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 1, 2023 19:09:46 GMT -5
I definitely see both sides. While I understand Carrie isn't the "it girl" anymore and won't be that ever again, she also is not performing as well as she should still be with better promotional efforts. Miranda Lambert's last two singles did worse on country radio (far worse esp. for "Strange") than Carrie Underwood's and yet both of MirLam's did immensely better on the streaming front. If Miranda, who has always had a spottier relationship with radio vs. Carrie over the course of her career, can do it, then I think Carrie can too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 21:40:12 GMT -5
I definitely see both sides. While I understand Carrie isn't the "it girl" anymore and won't be that ever again, she also is not performing as well as she should still be with better promotional efforts. Miranda Lambert's last two singles did worse on country radio (far worse esp. for "Strange") than Carrie Underwood's and yet both of MirLam's did immensely better on the streaming front. If Miranda, who has always had a spottier relationship with radio vs. Carrie over the course of her career, can do it, then I think Carrie can too. I completely agree. Radio clearly still likes to play Carrie like they always have, but will never take her songs to #1 due to lack of streaming success (bad promo on this?). I think if her singles had the streaming success Miranda’s did, coupled with how much radio likes Carrie, they’d probably consistently go top five. While MirLam and Maren’s new songs have peaked very low, radio always takes Carrie to at least top fifteen, sometimes higher. If she had streaming success, which she absolutely should be able to have right now (she has the potential), she’d have so many more radio hits. It’s upsetting 🥲 but I hope her team can try to solve this problem, becuase it totally is fixable IMO. Like you said, she could be performing better with better promotion. I totally agree. Like, she still has hits left in her. She is still an icon, and she’s still relevant today. Which is why she could still be having storyteller like success
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Post by raylatch98 on Mar 12, 2023 17:36:41 GMT -5
Spends it's third week at #23 on Mediabase. Gains 93 spins and still no appearance on Hot Country Songs.
With the release of "Out Of That Truck" and it connecting really well so far (#12 on iTunes all genre, nearing 100k views for the lyric video in 2 days which in comparison the music video for "Hate My Heart" has been out for 4 months and is at 849k views). I genuinely think UMG should just straight up abandon this since at best we get another "Ghost Story" and this peaks and peters out in the Top 10 as there is just no buzz to this at all. Where as "Out Of That Truck" I can see as a potential #1.
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Post by tigerman2022 on Mar 16, 2023 17:26:41 GMT -5
Has "Hate My Heart" been pulled? Poor updates, particularly today. Are they moving on? Maybe "Out of That Truck" or something else?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 23:06:53 GMT -5
It hasn’t been pulled I don’t think, but they really should. Maybe they wait a couple more weeks for the congestion to end, but as others have said, it is absolutely best for them to just pull this and push OOTT. It’s already connecting incredibly well right now, and it only has room to do so even more. It’s a very radio friendly song that sounds perfect for radio (not polarizing or anything and I’m sure it would test and stream well) that I can tell would have a lot of appeal to the general public
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Mar 18, 2023 9:28:11 GMT -5
I feel like radio is done with this. Probably better to cut their losses and move on to “Out of that Truck.” Just unfortunate that this will be the first Carrie single to miss the top 20.
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Post by raylatch98 on Mar 18, 2023 9:37:43 GMT -5
I feel like radio is done with this. Probably better to cut their losses and move on to “Out of that Truck.” Just unfortunate that this will be the first Carrie single to miss the top 20. Radio is not done with this (the bottom hasn't fallen out yet) but UMG should cut their losses as this is doing nothing on any metric. Sales/streaming are non existent, radio gains have all but stopped. Callout has also fallen behind (down to #34 Monday Morning Intel) and is no longer impressive. I don't mind this song, but there has just been no hype for this song on any front.
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Post by zdm1998 on Mar 18, 2023 10:41:22 GMT -5
Yeah go ahead and cut this. That bullet is terrible on this (-112). The streak is neat but Luke and a lot of other artists that were hot in the 2000s have had their streaks broken.
Move onto something that is showing promising signs (OOTT.)
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Mar 18, 2023 11:05:41 GMT -5
Yeah go ahead and cut this. That bullet is terrible on this (-112). The streak is neat but Luke and a lot of other artists that were hot in the 2000s have had their streaks broken. Move onto something that is showing promising signs (OOTT.) On one hand I agree the streak isn’t important if they have something waiting that shows signs of being a much bigger hit. Probably better for her long term viability to make the change. On the other hand I still think she can make the top 10 with this with a proper push. I know sometimes radio doesn’t take kindly to single swaps mid run. And “Hate My Heart” is still one of my favorites from her in a long time so I’m hoping it can keep going.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Mar 18, 2023 15:31:52 GMT -5
All I know is that this has had negative updates the last 3-4 days, so the writing is on the wall. This has also been on the charts for 20 weeks now and has struggled to get past #23. Hard to push a single up when it has stalled everywhere else. Maybe we can hang on a couple weeks and push this to top 20 and keep her top 20 streak alive, but then move on to OOTT. It’s testing well and streaming well, so I think they need to go for it. It’s the perfect spring/summer bop imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 16:56:46 GMT -5
Yeah. I’d like them to keep this alive a handful of weeks more so it can make top twenty and then move on. Peaking around 20 isn’t the end of the world. It’s happened a lot lately, with Luke, Dan/Shay, Cole, etc, where an artist has a song peak low, and they just move on and often make it back to the top 5/#1 with the right next single choice
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Post by musicfan134 on Mar 18, 2023 23:33:34 GMT -5
Could we maybe see a push in the next week or two to get HMH up to at least No. 20 or so before we drop it altogether? Not sure it would be worth anyone's time or effort...but would be nice to keep the top 20 streak alive if possible.
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Post by zdm1998 on Mar 19, 2023 6:31:15 GMT -5
There is a good number of songs that are dropping or soon to be dropping. This probably could go top 20 in the next 3-4 weeks, baring nothing blows past it (which it doesn't appear like anything is showing signs of doing so atm.)
I think a lot of fans want them to pull this (me included), but in all reality I don't think this will be pulled. I think they will at least try for the top 10.
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Post by jhomes87 on Mar 21, 2023 9:43:54 GMT -5
To me it seems as if this is stalling and on life support.
I also heard “Out of That Truck” on the radio last night. Granted, I live in a rural area with no stations on the BB or MB panels, but I still thought it was interesting as the station that played it isn’t known for playing album tracks from big name artists. They’ll occasionally play Texas artists or artists that chart on the secondary/indicator/Music Row charts, but I’ve never heard a non single by an established artist.
Could be just a one-off, but I definitely found it interesting and was shocked to hear it. It was my first time hearing OOTT too and I really enjoyed it. I like it much better than HMH, for whatever that’s worth.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Mar 22, 2023 16:25:24 GMT -5
With all the songs in the top 10 starting to peak and drop off, I think they should at least stick it out a few more weeks and get this to top 20 and then let it go and push OOTT to radio. It has summer hit written all over it and I think it’s testing well also. If this is what gets us a 4th single and hopefully “Burn” to close out the era, then I’m all for it.
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Post by austin on Mar 22, 2023 19:55:53 GMT -5
With all the songs in the top 10 starting to peak and drop off, I think they should at least stick it out a few more weeks and get this to top 20 and then let it go and push OOTT to radio. It has summer hit written all over it and I think it’s testing well also. If this is what gets us a 4th single and hopefully “Burn” to close out the era, then I’m all for it. With how slow the charts go, each week they wait pushes the next singles peak closer to Summer 2024, not this year.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 24, 2023 15:24:33 GMT -5
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Post by raylatch98 on Mar 24, 2023 16:30:05 GMT -5
Happy this was able to re-peak at #23, but there is still not much life in this song. I do think this can get sucked into the Top 20 but I don't know beyond that as this is just doing nothing on the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 20:59:13 GMT -5
Happy this was able to re-peak at #23, but there is still not much life in this song. I do think this can get sucked into the Top 20 but I don't know beyond that as this is just doing nothing on the charts. I'll be happy with that. I just want it to make top twenty then they can move on for me lol
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