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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 31, 2022 14:36:33 GMT -5
Nah. In terms of official RIAA album certs, she's at 49 million. She should be a few higher as neither TV has been certified, and now the new one is obviously 2x platinum or whatever. Some others could be behind, too, but that puts her at like 55 million. Big Machine hasn’t updated her certs in 3+ years. That has to do with her not keeping in touch and the fact obviously she isn’t trying to necessarily bring attention to her pre-re recordings at this moment. If you were to do eligible: Debut - 7x, Fearless - 11x, Speak Now - 6x, Red - 7x, 1989 - 11x, Reputation - 5x, Lover - 3x (very close to 4x), Folklore - 2x (should be 3x), Evermore - 1x, Fearless TV - 1x, Red TV - 1x, Midnights - 2x (+ Holiday Collection EP - 1x) That’s 60 million in eligible album certifications by the end of this year. But that wasn’t the point — the main point is she’s going to become the biggest female in units regardless by the end of this decade. So it doesn’t really matter about the particulars of where she’s sitting at right now. Her total catalog is around 60 million units and she continues to move 5 million+ units each year this decade through recurrent success and new releases. Well, if we're talking albums that should be certified higher but haven't been, then you have to include those for Streisand, Madonna, and Mariah as well. |
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Post by Ling-Ling on Oct 31, 2022 14:37:13 GMT -5
Yeah, A&M not releasing a physical single for "State Of The World" will always be one of the biggest "what ifs" in chart history IMO. Such an infuriating decision in hindsight. Even if she had only landed an eighth top 10, it would have been such a slay.
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Post by iHype. on Oct 31, 2022 14:38:41 GMT -5
Big Machine hasn’t updated her certs in 3+ years. That has to do with her not keeping in touch and the fact obviously she isn’t trying to necessarily bring attention to her pre-re recordings at this moment. If you were to do eligible: Debut - 7x, Fearless - 11x, Speak Now - 6x, Red - 7x, 1989 - 11x, Reputation - 5x, Lover - 3x (very close to 4x), Folklore - 2x (should be 3x), Evermore - 1x, Fearless TV - 1x, Red TV - 1x, Midnights - 2x (+ Holiday Collection EP - 1x) That’s 60 million in eligible album certifications by the end of this year. But that wasn’t the point — the main point is she’s going to become the biggest female in units regardless by the end of this decade. So it doesn’t really matter about the particulars of where she’s sitting at right now. Her total catalog is around 60 million units and she continues to move 5 million+ units each year this decade through recurrent success and new releases. Well, if we're talking albums that should be certified higher but haven't been, then you have to include those for Streisand, Madonna, and Mariah as well. They are under certified by over 30 million+ albums? Which is the only scenario that would put them above Taylor in eligibility by the end of this decade and actually be a real counterpoint to the discussion. |
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Post by iHype. on Oct 31, 2022 14:45:37 GMT -5
Taylor is already the biggest female ever in US basically, but at this point you have to wonder if she’ll be the biggest soloist period. Congrats to her She's likely not going to let up for another couple years or so yet with the rerecorded versions of Taylor Swift, Speak Now, 1989 and Reputation still to come. Those will all likely be #1 debuts with big streaming weeks. It's kind of crazy to think she's pretty much going to have this insane period of streams/sales dating back from Folklore and likely lasting until 2025. I really wonder how high her US certifications will be by the end of the 2020s decade. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up near the 500 million mark in the US alone with how massive her streaming is (I believe she's at ~200 million currently although I believe a lot of her certifications haven't been updated in a few years so is likely higher than that). Even after the re-recordings she’ll probably still be selling millions of copies in 10 and 20 years. She really created a brand and following where she’s “too big to truly fail”. I don’t think she’ll get to a point where she’s only doing 50k first week like Mariah, Madonna, Janet, Celine, etc. I think what really helped her longevity wise too is the fact she didn’t really ever have to sell sex image wise like most female artists have to. That’s why when they get older its so much more harder for them to have longevity and consistency compared to males. A Britney or Madonna is going to have a hard time at 50 because of their brand and image. While Taylor always had the songwriter type image which is just gonna benefit her even more in her 30s and 40s. |
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Post by explicit on Oct 31, 2022 14:53:28 GMT -5
She's likely not going to let up for another couple years or so yet with the rerecorded versions of Taylor Swift, Speak Now, 1989 and Reputation still to come. Those will all likely be #1 debuts with big streaming weeks. It's kind of crazy to think she's pretty much going to have this insane period of streams/sales dating back from Folklore and likely lasting until 2025. I really wonder how high her US certifications will be by the end of the 2020s decade. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up near the 500 million mark in the US alone with how massive her streaming is (I believe she's at ~200 million currently although I believe a lot of her certifications haven't been updated in a few years so is likely higher than that). Even after the re-recordings she’ll probably still be selling millions of copies in 10 and 20 years. She really created a brand and following where she’s “too big to truly fail”. I don’t think she’ll get to a point where she’s only doing 50k first week like Mariah, Madonna, Janet, Celine, etc. I think what really helped her longevity wise too is the fact she didn’t really ever have to sell sex image wise like most female artists have to. That’s why when they get older its so much more harder for them to have longevity and consistency compared to males. A Britney or Madonna is going to have a hard time at 50 because of their brand and image. While Taylor always had the songwriter type image which is just gonna benefit her even more in her 30s and 40s. Everyone declines. Everyone. Taylor has done extremely well by being this successful 16 years into her career but.. time will eventually get her. She won't be opening with one million albums sold in her 40s or her 50s. She probably be opening similar to the ladies you mentioned before (they all seemed unstoppable once). The market is driven by youth. Taylor won't be cool anymore for the next generation. It's just life cycle. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 31, 2022 14:57:59 GMT -5
Well, if we're talking albums that should be certified higher but haven't been, then you have to include those for Streisand, Madonna, and Mariah as well. They are under certified by over 30 million+ albums? Which is the only scenario that would put them above Taylor in eligibility by the end of this decade and actually be a real counterpoint to the discussion. Streisand hasn't been certified in a long time, so who knows? Madonna is surely behind in certs. Mariah is more current than the two of them, but even then she should be at 75 million or more if everything was caught up. Of course then you bring in the amount of #1 hits Madonna and Mariah have compared to Swift. Like I said before, I'm not even advocating for one woman over another as I have no idea how to compare all of these different eras. I am just pointing out all of the different points that can be made. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 31, 2022 15:08:26 GMT -5
Yeah, A&M not releasing a physical single for "State Of The World" will always be one of the biggest "what ifs" in chart history IMO. Such an infuriating decision in hindsight. Even if she had only landed an eighth top 10, it would have been such a slay. I don't even get it. There was no point in worrying about it hindering album sales at that point; were they wanting to ensure every single was top 5? That seems a bit odd. As you said, who cares if it had peaked at #7? Either way it's all hugely impressive, especially pre-streaming since those songs were hitting top 5 long after the album was out and people had bought/heard the songs. |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Oct 31, 2022 15:09:15 GMT -5
right on Halloween too! this is going down in history
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Oct 31, 2022 15:12:48 GMT -5
This marks the first time I've never heard a song in the top 10. whose fault is that? anyway the album itself is meh. Anti-Hero, Bejeweled, & Karma are the ones worth giving a listen IMO |
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Post by renfield75 on Oct 31, 2022 15:12:49 GMT -5
Everyone declines. Everyone. Taylor has done extremely well by being this successful 16 years into her career but.. time will eventually get her. She won't be opening with one million albums sold in her 40s or her 50s. She probably be opening similar to the ladies you mentioned before (they all seemed unstoppable once). The market is driven by youth. Taylor won't be cool anymore for the next generation. It's just life cycle. Yes, and even if her catalogue is still doing well and being discovered by younger generations (which seems a definite possibility) it won't necessarily help her newer albums. Gen Z and younger are big fans of Queen, Fleetwood Mac, and Elton John but what kind of numbers would a new album by those acts be doing? I imagine Taylor will still have a solid fanbase and be doing decent numbers 20-30 years from now, like Paul McCartney or Madonna, but she'll be competing with artists who aren't even born yet for listeners who aren't even born yet. She won't be on top forever, it happens to literally every artist who has ever lived. But DAMN what a run she's having! |
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Post by mms82 on Oct 31, 2022 15:13:45 GMT -5
Best top 10 of all time confirmed yup yup yup I feel like there was a stretch 5 years ago absent of females- when were some recent times that happened? Also so glad she didn’t tack on an Ed Sheeran feature or something to block this achievement |
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 31, 2022 15:16:06 GMT -5
This marks the first time I've never heard a song in the top 10. whose fault is that? No one's? Everyone's? I don't even know what your question means. I've seen other people say that about other top 10s, and I was saying this was my first. Obviously it's because this is the first time the entire top 10 has been from one album, and it's an album I haven't made a point to listen to. I also haven't heard any of the songs on Sirius or while I was "out and about" with friends or at the high school where I work. |
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Post by mms82 on Oct 31, 2022 15:16:13 GMT -5
I can't with Swifties vs Arianator Arianators: the hot 100 if thank u next & midnights were released the same day #1. 7 rings 603 pts #2. Break up… your girlfriend 514 pts #3. Anti-Hero 510 pts #4. Thank u next 438 pts #5. Lavender haze 338 pts Swifties mentioning: First female artist to occupy the entire top 3 SOLO without SAMPLED songs Someone also complaining the Lana duet ruining the top 4 solo (to beat Ariana): "midnight rain came so close tho😭 sotb shouldve been 5 ugh😭" so silly - also do Ari and Tay have any beef or is this all manufactured Stan drama? I can’t recall them ever interacting |
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Post by jebsib on Oct 31, 2022 15:44:04 GMT -5
Regarding Janet’s State of the World: If memory serves, it was released right when Janet ditched A&M for a hugely lucrative deal with Virgin and so A&M decided to stop promoting her dead in their tracks… it WAS bizarre at the time because other than a couple of Bon Jovi, Madonna and Bart Simpson (!) songs, there was no track record of successful airplay only hits back then.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Oct 31, 2022 16:03:30 GMT -5
Yeah, A&M not releasing a physical single for "State Of The World" will always be one of the biggest "what ifs" in chart history IMO. Such an infuriating decision in hindsight. Even if she had only landed an eighth top 10, it would have been such a slay. I don't even get it. There was no point in worrying about it hindering album sales at that point; were they wanting to ensure every single was top 5? That seems a bit odd. As you said, who cares if it had peaked at #7? Either way it's all hugely impressive, especially pre-streaming since those songs were hitting top 5 long after the album was out and people had bought/heard the songs. Janet was in a contract bidding war before "SOTW" was released as a single. She announced her new Virgin contract at the beginning of March before the single had even peaked at radio. So the general thought is A&M saw no need in further promoting the album and they were just being petty, lol. They commissioned an entire suite of Junior Vasquez remixes, I can't imagine they did that with no intention of releasing a physical. Even if she was leaving, it would have been an excellent record for the label to claim. She could have broken the tie with Michael and Bruce for most top 10s and extended her top 5 record. Ugh, it makes me so mad, lol. *edit* oops, totally missed jebsib's post. |
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Post by slw84 on Oct 31, 2022 16:24:18 GMT -5
So happy for Taylor making HERstory.
It seems the hold for week 2 is going to be better than most.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Oct 31, 2022 16:24:21 GMT -5
Congratulations to Taylor! Can't believe this is the first time in Hot 100 history with zero male acts in the top 10.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 31, 2022 16:30:43 GMT -5
Idk why there’s such a focus on certifications as if they’re the be-all end-all of artist numbers, when they’re based on artists/labels buying their own updates and they often go years before that happens, not to mention the commonality of albums getting overcertified because of shipments of product that went unsold. Certifications are fine as part of determining whatever it is but if the basis of an argument is on the RIAA, you probably won’t have a case.
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Post by Caviar on Oct 31, 2022 17:06:05 GMT -5
I don't even get it. There was no point in worrying about it hindering album sales at that point; were they wanting to ensure every single was top 5? That seems a bit odd. As you said, who cares if it had peaked at #7? Either way it's all hugely impressive, especially pre-streaming since those songs were hitting top 5 long after the album was out and people had bought/heard the songs. Janet was in a contract bidding war before "SOTW" was released as a single. She announced her new Virgin contract at the beginning of March before the single had even peaked at radio. So the general thought is A&M saw no need in further promoting the album and they were just being petty, lol. They commissioned an entire suite of Junior Vasquez remixes, I can't imagine they did that with no intention of releasing a physical. Even if she was leaving, it would have been an excellent record for the label to claim. She could have broken the tie with Michael and Bruce for most top 10s and extended her top 5 record. Ugh, it makes me so mad, lol. *edit* oops, totally missed jebsib's post. If A&M was pissed, how'd did they get TTWLG for Design of a Decade? Interesting stuff. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Oct 31, 2022 17:22:30 GMT -5
Well, if we're talking albums that should be certified higher but haven't been, then you have to include those for Streisand, Madonna, and Mariah as well. They are under certified by over 30 million+ albums? Which is the only scenario that would put them above Taylor in eligibility by the end of this decade and actually be a real counterpoint to the discussion. Naw I know they aren't anywhere near 30+ million under-cerrified (some of Mariah's certifications vs actaul sales feel padded already tbh IMHO). lol |
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Post by Angel on Oct 31, 2022 17:30:53 GMT -5
I still think it's BS that Katy's re-release doesn't count towards those records. So many artists tack on songs to their albums from way earlier or way later now that Billboard would definitely count. Sales of Katy's deluxe version counted towards the original, therefore the songs on the deluxe should be considered part of the album. Yeah the record is Katy's in my opinion. 6 #1s, 8 top 5s. Billboard changes criteria on a whim so it's only a matter of time until they officially recognise this one. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Oct 31, 2022 17:33:01 GMT -5
Congratulations to Taylor! Can't believe this is the first time in Hot 100 history with zero male acts in the top 10. I wonder what was the record before? I think it was mentioned somewhere, but I don't remember exactly. 03/03/12 has to be ONE of those, since only 3 male artists were present in the top 10 (only one without features): #1 Katy Perry - Part Of Me
#2 Adele - Set Fire To The Rain
#3 Whitney Houston - I Will Always Love You
#4 Kelly Clarkson - Stronger
#5 Adele - Rolling In The Deep
#6 fun. Ft Janelle Monae - We Are Young
#7 Adele - Someone Like You
#8 Rihanna Ft Calvin Harris - We Found Love
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Post by korbel16 on Oct 31, 2022 17:58:38 GMT -5
can someone show the points for all the 10 swift songs without airplay/sales? or at least vigilant s**t vs unholy… cuz damn
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Post by kimberly on Oct 31, 2022 18:02:33 GMT -5
can someone show the points for all the 10 swift songs without airplay/sales? or at least vigilant s**t vs unholy… cuz damn based on these predictions, "Vigilante" has 97% of its 263 points come from streaming, so around 255 points. "Unholy" is #11 with 233 points, 74% of which are from streaming. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Oct 31, 2022 18:03:32 GMT -5
I still think it's BS that Katy's re-release doesn't count towards those records. So many artists tack on songs to their albums from way earlier or way later now that Billboard would definitely count. Sales of Katy's deluxe version counted towards the original, therefore the songs on the deluxe should be considered part of the album. Yeah the record is Katy's in my opinion. 6 #1s, 8 top 5s. Billboard changes criteria on a whim so it's only a matter of time until they officially recognise this one. I think the best solution would be to make separate lists, one for albums (original editions) and one for eras (original + deluxe editions and reissues). That also applies to Spotify records. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Oct 31, 2022 18:10:59 GMT -5
Most top 5 songs
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The Beatles 29
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Mariah Carey 27
Janet Jackson 26
Taylor Swift 24
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Oct 31, 2022 18:13:18 GMT -5
Yeah, A&M not releasing a physical single for "State Of The World" will always be one of the biggest "what ifs" in chart history IMO. Such an infuriating decision in hindsight. Even if she had only landed an eighth top 10, it would have been such a slay. I thought I read Janet didn't want it released because she didn't want to break Michael's record (even though Bruce tied it). To think it took Janet 3 calendar years (18 months) for the 8 songs to hit the radio Top 10 and about 15 months for the 7 songs to hit the H100 Top 5. Almost every single was remixed for radio/single release, which certainly helped sales. Great era for Janet. |
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Post by dodgerslakers94 on Oct 31, 2022 18:20:41 GMT -5
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Post by Ling-Ling on Oct 31, 2022 18:21:23 GMT -5
I still think it's BS that Katy's re-release doesn't count towards those records. So many artists tack on songs to their albums from way earlier or way later now that Billboard would definitely count. Sales of Katy's deluxe version counted towards the original, therefore the songs on the deluxe should be considered part of the album. Yeah the record is Katy's in my opinion. 6 #1s, 8 top 5s. Billboard changes criteria on a whim so it's only a matter of time until they officially recognise this one. Do you think "Part Of Me" would have debuted at #1 if it was an original album track from the parent album that had been out for over a year and a half? Absolutely not. It makes sense to separate it. It acted like a new single from a new release which gives it a clear advantage. A 7th single going top 5 from an album that's two years old is a way bigger accomplishment. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Oct 31, 2022 18:28:06 GMT -5
this is a great debut for her! even with Taylor's album bomb. Her highest-peaking song on the Hot 100 since "Chantaje" (2016).
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