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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 26, 2023 18:34:40 GMT -5
Honestly I kind of feel like the radio now is just:
Luke Combs Jelly Roll Lainey Wilson Morgan Wallen Bailey Zimmerman
I get that those are the hottest new acts right now, but dang I do like some diversity thrown in there lol. I was running errands today and I promise it felt like those were the only artists I predominantly heard over a 2 hour period of running errands, with just a few other randoms sprinkled in.
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Post by carriefan15 on Sept 26, 2023 21:15:46 GMT -5
Honestly I kind of feel like the radio now is just: Luke Combs Jelly Roll Lainey Wilson Morgan Wallen Bailey Zimmerman I get that those are the hottest new acts right now, but dang I do like some diversity thrown in there lol. I was running errands today and I promise it felt like those were the only artists I predominantly heard over a 2 hour period of running errands, with just a few other randoms sprinkled in. Last week I checked the Recently Played Songs on the station I listen to when driving around, and literally Morgan Wallen was played every 4 or 5 songs. Not even kidding. And it was only like 3 songs that kept getting played too. To me, that is absolutely crazy. Is that really what the listeners want??? If so then I’m definitely not anywhere near the target demographic anymore
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Post by mag on Sept 27, 2023 13:43:52 GMT -5
Honestly I kind of feel like the radio now is just: Luke Combs Jelly Roll Lainey Wilson Morgan Wallen Bailey Zimmerman I get that those are the hottest new acts right now, but dang I do like some diversity thrown in there lol. I was running errands today and I promise it felt like those were the only artists I predominantly heard over a 2 hour period of running errands, with just a few other randoms sprinkled in. Last week I checked the Recently Played Songs on the station I listen to when driving around, and literally Morgan Wallen was played every 4 or 5 songs. Not even kidding. And it was only like 3 songs that kept getting played too. To me, that is absolutely crazy. Is that really what the listeners want??? If so then I’m definitely not anywhere near the target demographic anymore That won’t change unless listeners start complaining or stop listening to their stations. But apparently that is not happening so… I particularly don’t listen to radio anymore. I’ve been streaming since 2015 so I don’t really miss radio
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Sept 27, 2023 14:10:54 GMT -5
It baffles me how Country radio is continually letting multiple songs jump over Kelsea. Chris Janson and George Birge are right on her heels and will likely jump ahead which is ridiculous.
If this year has shown us anything, it’s that she’s a star and deserves to be treated like one. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if she jumps ship from this genre soon, her star power is undeniably strong enough for her to do so.
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 27, 2023 18:16:35 GMT -5
I do think her Opry membership probably makes it a little more difficult to jump than it did Maren. Would definitely make the decision more difficult for Kelsea.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 27, 2023 19:50:28 GMT -5
I don't see her leaving country music. The EP side project was nice but like... this song is her current single and is by far the countriest sounding thing on radio, lol. She obviously loves toeing the line because for every song like "Blindsided" or "The Other Girl" there's a "If You Go Down" or a "Half of My Hometown." And the EP did well for what it was, but by no means does it make me think she'd successfully jump into the pop world and become some mega star. She's had a few crossover hits, but the country hits from her prior albums have actually done better than "Blindsided" (the one that was tried @ radio) did.
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Post by austin on Sept 29, 2023 11:29:19 GMT -5
The EP is arguably her best work, but I agree that she will stay in Country. She is carving out a really nice career for herself, making money, and becoming more and more a household name. She may not ever be an arena-headlining mega-star like Shania or Taylor were, but she is about as successful as previous waves of female greats (Sara Evans, Jo Dee Messina, etc) and will likely be remembered as a legend like they are now if her career continues this way.
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Post by soulfulwings on Sept 30, 2023 10:23:34 GMT -5
I don't see her leaving country music and I hope she doesn't as she has carved out a nice career for herself in the genre.
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Post by jab820 on Sept 30, 2023 14:29:30 GMT -5
I do think her Opry membership probably makes it a little more difficult to jump than it did Maren. Would definitely make the decision more difficult for Kelsea. I know this is not a Maren thread, but Maren's disinterest in the Opry made me always wonder if she purposefully left the door open to jhump ship from country. I'm not saying it was always the plan for her, but I think she was smart to maintain the opportunity to leave while Kelsea has always felt stuck because of her Opry membership.
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 30, 2023 14:31:17 GMT -5
I don't think Kelsea Ballerini feels stuck in country music though? She isn't getting the success she probably deserves but she still seems like she is an active part of the genre and enjoys it overall.
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Post by diamondinmypocket on Sept 30, 2023 17:11:14 GMT -5
I don’t see her leaving country music at all. She’s currently one of the “faces” of the format. Hosting awards shows etc. I love the ep and thought STC was solid. I think the only thing holding back IYGD is the fact that she’s spent the majority of the year promoting other songs and another album. It hasn’t been her focus
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Post by bboat11 on Sept 30, 2023 21:48:27 GMT -5
I don’t see her leaving country music at all. She’s currently one of the “faces” of the format. Hosting awards shows etc. I love the ep and thought STC was solid. I think the only thing holding back IYGD is the fact that she’s spent the majority of the year promoting other songs and another album. It hasn’t been her focusPersonally, I disagree that the direction of her focus has had anything to do with this song's chart run. By comparison, has Morgan Wallen done even one thing to promote "Everything I Love"? Aside from performing it in his concerts, I'm pretty sure the answer to that is a big fat "no", but yet it is now sitting in the top 10 at less than half the age of Kelsea's song...
I attribute it completely to the fact that radio has had a well-domented history of sexism for years now, plus a complicated relationship with bluegrassy instruments, combined with the fact that lately it has gotten so out of touch that they only put like 5 artists in high rotation no matter how much people may like some of the other songs. At this point, Kelsea is very much more of an industry sweetheart than she ever has been before, but for whatever reason that has not translated into her being one of modern radio's Core Artists as streaming has taken up a more prominent position in the radio industry. Which is dumb because she also streams well!
For pretty much every popular artist right now, name recognition is all that matters. It doesn't matter how many songs or albums they are promoting at how many different events, as long as their name is out there they are getting extra streams. And for some reason radio has latched onto some artists for doing that while ignoring others. So yeah, I say this song's chart run is 1000% just an example of Country Radio being out of touch.
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 30, 2023 22:02:07 GMT -5
I don’t see her leaving country music at all. She’s currently one of the “faces” of the format. Hosting awards shows etc. I love the ep and thought STC was solid. I think the only thing holding back IYGD is the fact that she’s spent the majority of the year promoting other songs and another album. It hasn’t been her focusPersonally, I disagree that the direction of her focus has had anything to do with this song's chart run. By comparison, has Morgan Wallen done even one thing to promote "Everything I Love"? Aside from performing it in his concerts, I'm pretty sure the answer to that is a big fat "no", but yet it is now sitting in the top 10 at less than half the age of Kelsea's song...
I attribute it completely to the fact that radio has had a well-domented history of sexism for years now, plus a complicated relationship with bluegrassy instruments, combined with the fact that lately it has gotten so out of touch that they only put like 5 artists in high rotation no matter how much people may like some of the other songs. At this point, Kelsea is very much more of an industry sweetheart than she ever has been before, but for whatever reason that has not translated into her being one of modern radio's Core Artists as streaming has taken up a more prominent position in the radio industry. Which is dumb because she also streams well!
For pretty much every popular artist right now, name recognition is all that matters. It doesn't matter how many songs or albums they are promoting at how many different events, as long as their name is out there they are getting extra streams. And for some reason radio has latched onto some artists for doing that while ignoring others. So yeah, I say this song's chart run is 1000% just an example of Country Radio being out of touch.
While I do agree that country radio has a pretty good history of being sexist I don't think Morgan Wallen is a good example at all in comparison as it makes sense he is a core artist in country radio's eyes I mean holy shit he had a 16 week #1 on the Hot 100 with "Last Night". I do think it's important to note that the 5 artists radio has really propped up (Morgan, Combs, Lainey Wilson, Jelly Roll, Bailey Zimmerman with Kane Brown as an honorable mention) all their singles connect so well, like I think Kelsea Ballerini deserves better overall with country radio since she does connect pretty well but she is not close at all to that Combs, Wallen, Wilson level in terms of connecting with people. I think Kelsea Ballerini probably at least deserves to be at a Thomas Rhett or Luke Bryan levels. But I don't think she should be in that inner core we have seen really formed this year or at least not yet.
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Post by bboat11 on Sept 30, 2023 22:34:09 GMT -5
Personally, I disagree that the direction of her focus has had anything to do with this song's chart run. By comparison, has Morgan Wallen done even one thing to promote "Everything I Love"? Aside from performing it in his concerts, I'm pretty sure the answer to that is a big fat "no", but yet it is now sitting in the top 10 at less than half the age of Kelsea's song...
I attribute it completely to the fact that radio has had a well-domented history of sexism for years now, plus a complicated relationship with bluegrassy instruments, combined with the fact that lately it has gotten so out of touch that they only put like 5 artists in high rotation no matter how much people may like some of the other songs. At this point, Kelsea is very much more of an industry sweetheart than she ever has been before, but for whatever reason that has not translated into her being one of modern radio's Core Artists as streaming has taken up a more prominent position in the radio industry. Which is dumb because she also streams well!
For pretty much every popular artist right now, name recognition is all that matters. It doesn't matter how many songs or albums they are promoting at how many different events, as long as their name is out there they are getting extra streams. And for some reason radio has latched onto some artists for doing that while ignoring others. So yeah, I say this song's chart run is 1000% just an example of Country Radio being out of touch.
While I do agree that country radio has a pretty good history of being sexist I don't think Morgan Wallen is a good example at all in comparison as it makes sense he is a core artist in country radio's eyes I mean holy shit he had a 16 week #1 on the Hot 100 with "Last Night". I do think it's important to note that the 5 artists radio has really propped up (Morgan, Combs, Lainey Wilson, Jelly Roll, Bailey Zimmerman with Kane Brown as an honorable mention) all their singles connect so well, like I think Kelsea Ballerini deserves better overall with country radio since she does connect pretty well but she is not close at all to that Combs, Wallen, Wilson level in terms of connecting with people. I think Kelsea Ballerini probably at least deserves to be at a Thomas Rhett or Luke Bryan levels. But I don't think she should be in that inner core we have seen really formed this year or at least not yet. Well in this case Morgan Wallen's massive popularity completely proves my point! He has done absolutely nothing to promote "Everything I Love" except for being popular in general. EIL flying up the chart while he is in the middle of having a huge Hot 100 #1 with a different song, multiple songs climbing at the same time, etc. is why I say that Kelsea promoting a side project, performing other songs aside from her current hit on SNL, etc. should have absolutely no effect on "If You Go Down"'s chart run. Everything she has done outside of this current single in the past year has only helped to elevate her appeal with consumers higher than it has ever been before, which is the exact same type of situation as Morgan Wallen....so radio not noticing is just an example of how out of touch they are.
And of course she doesn't have the stats to belong in the "inner core" as it currently exists. But that's only because the way it currently exists is bullshit. She DOES have the stats to be part of the inner core. The inner core just needs to be like 25-30 artists at a time instead of 5, lmao.
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Post by zdm1998 on Oct 1, 2023 6:12:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I know she's not exactly on Bailey, Luke Combs, Morgan's, Lainey's, and Jelly Roll's level; but a song that has over 70 million streams on Spotify deserves more than to be stalled out in the mid teens.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 1, 2023 7:53:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I know she's not exactly on Bailey, Luke Combs, Morgan's, Lainey's, and Jelly Roll's level; but a song that has over 70 million streams on Spotify deserves more than to be stalled out in the mid teens. I do agree with that this shouldn't be stalling in the teens at all and be Top 10 by now at least. My point was moreso that I don't think Kelsea Ballerini chart runs should be at the pace we are seeing with Combs, Wallen, etc. It should be better though than what it is. I also want to say bboat11 that if the inner core of Country Radio had 25 to 30 artists then it wouldn't be an inner core at all at that point.
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Post by diamondinmypocket on Oct 1, 2023 10:47:09 GMT -5
While I do agree that country radio has a pretty good history of being sexist I don't think Morgan Wallen is a good example at all in comparison as it makes sense he is a core artist in country radio's eyes I mean holy shit he had a 16 week #1 on the Hot 100 with "Last Night". I do think it's important to note that the 5 artists radio has really propped up (Morgan, Combs, Lainey Wilson, Jelly Roll, Bailey Zimmerman with Kane Brown as an honorable mention) all their singles connect so well, like I think Kelsea Ballerini deserves better overall with country radio since she does connect pretty well but she is not close at all to that Combs, Wallen, Wilson level in terms of connecting with people. I think Kelsea Ballerini probably at least deserves to be at a Thomas Rhett or Luke Bryan levels. But I don't think she should be in that inner core we have seen really formed this year or at least not yet. Well in this case Morgan Wallen's massive popularity completely proves my point! He has done absolutely nothing to promote "Everything I Love" except for being popular in general. EIL flying up the chart while he is in the middle of having a huge Hot 100 #1 with a different song, multiple songs climbing at the same time, etc. is why I say that Kelsea promoting a side project, performing other songs aside from her current hit on SNL, etc. should have absolutely no effect on "If You Go Down"'s chart run. Everything she has done outside of this current single in the past year has only helped to elevate her appeal with consumers higher than it has ever been before, which is the exact same type of situation as Morgan Wallen....so radio not noticing is just an example of how out of touch they are.
And of course she doesn't have the stats to belong in the "inner core" as it currently exists. But that's only because the way it currently exists is bullshit. She DOES have the stats to be part of the inner core. The inner core just needs to be like 25-30 artists at a time instead of 5, lmao.
Morgan is one of the biggest artists on the planet right now. Comparing anyone else to him right now would be foolish. You also need to remember Kelsea had 1 hit and several misses last cycle, and her lead off for STC died in the teens (I believe). She’s not exactly on a can’t-miss tear at country radio. I feel like the EP was a huge milestone for her and will prove to be a turning point towards her superstardom (if she can keep up the output quality). Right now though, she’s still a borderline a-list artist. Not quite there yet. Back to Morgan, OTAAT peaked at around 5. Didn’t ring the bell. I have a feeling EIL will suffer the same fate. Likely with TBM being the reason it’s blocked. I can’t stand the overplay and multiple single thing these “inner-core” artists have been chasing this past year either. It makes me not want to listen to country radio at all….it’s more repetitive than ever before. It’s also clogging up the chart, extending chart runs for everyone else, and stopping good songs (that in years past would have been #1s) from getting there. It’s just going to hasten the demise of radio in general imo and is super short sighted by the PDs. Also, weren’t there rumors going around just a few weeks ago that Kelsea was pulling this in favor of “Penthouse”? I had attributed the slowed down gains to that, but someone correct me if I’m wrong. All in all, love where Kelsea is going and like this song. It’s fresh and should have an opportunity to hit the top
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Post by bboat11 on Oct 1, 2023 15:56:18 GMT -5
You guys are splitting hairs and ignoring my actual point. All I'm saying is that right now artists are raising their overall profiles more than ever before through cross-promotion of multiple things at once. And it's actually offensive to all the hard work Kelsea IS doing to say that the only reason this song is struggling is because she isn't "focusing" hard enough on its success...
That's literally NEVER how radio has worked for female artists.
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Post by zdm1998 on Nov 7, 2023 13:05:58 GMT -5
I wanna start by saying this is one of my favorite songs she’s ever put out. Definitely rivals HOMH as my favorite single she’s released. That being said I’m kinda ready for another single. Radio feels like they are refusing to get this higher than 13-17 on the chart.
I know she’s been working on album 5, but I can’t imagine it’d be ready, and I can’t imagine them pushing a RUTWM single at this point. I say go ahead and give us “Muscle Memory” so it can spend 2024 climbing and hopefully get her another top 5, before she goes into album 5.
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Post by christianlarson9 on Nov 7, 2023 13:54:39 GMT -5
I wanna start by saying this is one of my favorite songs she’s ever put out. Definitely rivals HOMH as my favorite single she’s released. That being said I’m kinda ready for another single. Radio feels like they are refusing to get this higher than 13-17 on the chart. I know she’s been working on album 5, but I can’t imagine it’d be ready, and I can’t imagine them pushing a RUTWM single at this point. I say go ahead and give us “Muscle Memory” so it can spend 2024 climbing and hopefully get her another top 5, before she goes into album 5. 100% agree with this. IYGD is a hit in my book & has always felt bigger than its peak/climb at radio. She kind of let it slip in an iHeart interview that she has an arena tour booked for 2024, so there’s definitely time for one more single from STC. I do worry that they might take a risk with “Leave Me Again” if the CMA performance ends up getting major acclaim kind like Miranda & “Tin Man”.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Nov 8, 2023 6:43:42 GMT -5
I will forever be sad we’re only going to get 2/3 singles from this project 😭
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Post by Typo on Nov 8, 2023 8:24:26 GMT -5
“Muscle Memory” is my favorite on the album. I can’t imagine it would perform any better than this single though.
I think she’s in a weird spot in that her industry support / hype seems at an all time high, but country radio seems ready to phase her out.
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Post by aldo01 on Nov 8, 2023 9:22:36 GMT -5
“Muscle Memory” is my favorite on the album. I can’t imagine it would perform any better than this single though. I think she’s in a weird spot in that her industry support / hype seems at an all time high, but country radio seems ready to phase her out. Rather than radio ready to phase her out, I think there might be some resistance against this single due to the CMT performance. I think Muscle Memory could definitely bring her back on top of the charts.
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Post by Typo on Nov 8, 2023 12:04:35 GMT -5
I honestly don’t think anyone cares about that drag queen performance one way or another. The song was already having a slow climb up the charts anyway.
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Post by Music Fan on Nov 8, 2023 13:06:20 GMT -5
I always thought this song was perfect to go viral on TikTok. Shame it never did, because I think this would've garnered even better streams than it already has and been a staple in the lower half of the H100.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 12, 2023 14:30:19 GMT -5
Pretty nasty audience loss in her update today, so it's possible they may have pulled the plug on this one. We'll have to see how it does the next few days, but it's been looking for awhile like it was treading water not really able to move up any higher than its currently got. As others have said, it feels like she's had a monumental year from a personal standpoint, but it hasn't lined up with radio airplay which is strange. This song should've been a much bigger hit, but I'm definitely not counting her out because I can see her bounding back in a big way with the right song. It surprises me that she hasn't gone for more crossover airplay though seeing as she's 1) one of the most viable country artists for it and 2) a lot of her male contemporaries are having great success on the pop charts. STC was a great album to possibly promote a dual single, or maybe even something RUTWM, but the label hasn't been focusing on promotion to radio. Hope 2024 is a better year for her on the charts.
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Post by kluen on Nov 13, 2023 3:10:45 GMT -5
Pretty nasty audience loss in her update today, so it's possible they may have pulled the plug on this one. We'll have to see how it does the next few days, but it's been looking for awhile like it was treading water not really able to move up any higher than its currently got. As others have said, it feels like she's had a monumental year from a personal standpoint, but it hasn't lined up with radio airplay which is strange. This song should've been a much bigger hit, but I'm definitely not counting her out because I can see her bounding back in a big way with the right song. It surprises me that she hasn't gone for more crossover airplay though seeing as she's 1) one of the most viable country artists for it and 2) a lot of her male contemporaries are having great success on the pop charts. STC was a great album to possibly promote a dual single, or maybe even something RUTWM, but the label hasn't been focusing on promotion to radio. Hope 2024 is a better year for her on the charts. I really feel this could be a hit too.It screams country in many different layers. And I think Kelsea's relationship with country radio is hard to define. If you say country radio loves her,still most of her singles take too long to climb to the top. If you say country radio doesn't love her,she emerged at a time when most females can't get number one and she got 3 in a row. I think the chances that she bounce back with country radio are slimmer than the chances that she became a new critic darling.
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Post by diamondinmypocket on Nov 13, 2023 15:41:20 GMT -5
Pretty nasty audience loss in her update today, so it's possible they may have pulled the plug on this one. We'll have to see how it does the next few days, but it's been looking for awhile like it was treading water not really able to move up any higher than its currently got. As others have said, it feels like she's had a monumental year from a personal standpoint, but it hasn't lined up with radio airplay which is strange. This song should've been a much bigger hit, but I'm definitely not counting her out because I can see her bounding back in a big way with the right song. It surprises me that she hasn't gone for more crossover airplay though seeing as she's 1) one of the most viable country artists for it and 2) a lot of her male contemporaries are having great success on the pop charts. STC was a great album to possibly promote a dual single, or maybe even something RUTWM, but the label hasn't been focusing on promotion to radio. Hope 2024 is a better year for her on the charts. I really feel this could be a hit too.It screams country in many different layers. And I think Kelsea's relationship with country radio is hard to define. If you say country radio loves her,still most of her singles take too long to climb to the top. If you say country radio doesn't love her,she emerged at a time when most females can't get number one and she got 3 in a row. I think the chances that she bounce back with country radio are slimmer than the chances that she became a new critic darling. I think its as simple as she's just very inconsistent. Her last album cycle was off/on with singles. The Halsey one was horrendous. But she saved the era with HOMH. I don't she's had enough of a hot streak to get the benefit of the doubt with an average single here and there. If they don't love it they won't send it up
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Post by zdm1998 on Nov 16, 2023 6:57:05 GMT -5
Alright, given todays update this is without a doubt done. Any guesses what they push next? I feel like Muscle Memory is the obvious single choice if they go back to STC, as we’ve discussed, but I’m wondering if she just moves on from this.
She about at the stage of her career where Carrie was when she started taking breaks between albums to build anticipation for the next one, so I’m curious if they will just leave “Penthouse” in the Spotify playlist to bring in streams; and her come back sometime later next year with a lead single. Or maybe she goes right into her next album era, but I’m not sure how far along in the process she is (I know she’s been working on it though.)
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Nov 16, 2023 8:27:23 GMT -5
Nah, she’s done with this era. And if she were to release anything else to radio, it would be “Love is a Cowboy” (unfortunately) so I’m pulling for new music by Q2 of next year. She didn’t perform “Muscle Memory” at her hometown show a few weeks ago (only LIAC, What I Have, Doin My Best, YDGH, and Weather) so I’m doubtful anything else is getting released from this album. She’s been posting a lot about working on new music and I’m sure she’s feeling creatively empowered from all the success of RUTWM so I think she’s ready for something new. Especially if she is ready to launch a bigger tour in the new year (girl is READY for these arena shows after being in the room for her hometown show) I think we will get new music soon.
SUPER unfortunate that didn’t radio bring this masterpiece any higher, but I’ve completely lost faith and interest in country radio. The way the genre is shifting has been extremely disappointing and I’m not surprised in the least that this song was a casualty of that.
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