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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 6, 2023 19:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 6, 2023 19:09:14 GMT -5
IMO “Pickup” was a pretty mediocre song. Kinda cheesy. Sounds like something a teenager would sing. And i like MacKenzie Porter, but just not so much that song. I actually quite like the song, but "Pickup" is definitely a song that fits a younger artist much better. I can't imagine hearing Carrie Underwood on that one at all, and "Out of That Truck" is vastly superior, so the right moves were made.
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Post by g8erboi on Jun 7, 2023 5:20:21 GMT -5
So excited for this to finally have a chance to smash. Probably going to end up getting blocked from the top by "Everything I Love" or one of Luke’s singles but I’m just happy she finally has something that’s moving the needle again.
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 7, 2023 7:20:15 GMT -5
So excited for this to finally have a chance to smash. Probably going to end up getting blocked from the top by "Everything I Love" or one of Luke’s singles but I’m just happy she finally has something that’s moving the needle again. ehh I'm not claiming this energy lol. "Everything I love" will likely speed up the chart in 3-4 months, whereas this one should take 5-7 most likely. So I'm hoping this can squeeze in between when boys are falling. I'm hoping for at least a Mediabase #1. BB hella difficult these days, especially for females.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Jun 7, 2023 9:24:46 GMT -5
This is where I think there should be regulation that mandates women make up a certain % of Airplay, not only on country - but all genres of radio.
I did a research project on this (inspired by one of the Pulse greats who did a full dissertation on the topic of women at country radio.. may she RIP) and even recent news articles where male programmers are the gatekeepers and just choose not to play females is disgusting.
Ghost Story should’ve been number one based on call out scores.
Hate My Heart would’ve easily been a top ten had it been a male.
The fact Jason Aldean never misses the top ten is enough proof to show programmers are trash.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 7, 2023 9:44:17 GMT -5
Denim & Rhinestones deluxe edition to be released 9/22. Features 6 new songs, including “Truck.” “Take Me Out” to be released 6/9. Just announced at the Fan Club Party. Super happy this album is going to get the second wind it deserves. This is nice in general, but i hope releasing other songs doesn’t take away from the momentum “OOOT” has going.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 7, 2023 9:48:26 GMT -5
Denim & Rhinestones deluxe edition to be released 9/22. Features 6 new songs, including “Truck.” “Take Me Out” to be released 6/9. Just announced at the Fan Club Party. Super happy this album is going to get the second wind it deserves. This is nice in general, but i hope releasing other songs doesn’t take away from the momentum “OOOT” has going. It shouldn't. Releasing other songs tend to not do that all that much for how current songs are doing momentum wise as "OOOT" should still have the same amount of buzz regardless.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 7, 2023 14:03:33 GMT -5
Denim & Rhinestones deluxe edition to be released 9/22. Features 6 new songs, including “Truck.” “Take Me Out” to be released 6/9. Just announced at the Fan Club Party. Super happy this album is going to get the second wind it deserves. This is nice in general, but i hope releasing other songs doesn’t take away from the momentum “OOOT” has going. I don’t think it will. They’re committed to OOTT now and anything that is released now is just a buzz single for the deluxe edition. This is the first official deluxe edition that Carrie has done of a studio album, so I’m excited for 5 new songs, plus OOTT.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 7, 2023 14:52:24 GMT -5
I think OOTT will be getting single treatment through the fall. They went a different route, they tested the waters first and then pulled the trigger based on overall reaction. I think it’ll bode well in the end. Even if this doesn’t smash at radio with any moderate radio presence at all its streaming will probably soar, so it’s looking pretty promising they have a hit on their hands if radio seems into it too.
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Post by ericNY2002 on Jun 7, 2023 16:00:54 GMT -5
Carrie’s SiriusXM channel “Carrie’s Country” launches on channel 60 this Friday night at 7:45pm. Friday night at 10pm features her concert from the Grand Old Opry last night.
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Post by diamondinmypocket on Jun 7, 2023 18:29:52 GMT -5
This is where I think there should be regulation that mandates women make up a certain % of Airplay, not only on country - but all genres of radio. I did a research project on this (inspired by one of the Pulse greats who did a full dissertation on the topic of women at country radio.. may she RIP) and even recent news articles where male programmers are the gatekeepers and just choose not to play females is disgusting. Ghost Story should’ve been number one based on call out scores. Hate My Heart would’ve easily been a top ten had it been a male. The fact Jason Aldean never misses the top ten is enough proof to show programmers are trash. Hate to say it but this has little to nothing to do with gender politics. Carrie hasn’t had a big hit in several album cycles and is starting to pay the price for it (aside from IIDLY). Even “southbound” was a lukewarm hit and took a fabricated push to ring the bell. This is her best shot at a solo #1 in a while and I’m glad the label decided to pull HMH to take it. She’s just at a point in her career where without genuine hit songs radio isn’t gonna send it up based on her name alone anymore. And again, this has nothing to do with her being a woman imo. It’s the same battle Keith, Tim, Blake, etc are all fighting right now and what happens after a string of lackluster attempts and a 20ish year career
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 7, 2023 18:55:19 GMT -5
This is where I think there should be regulation that mandates women make up a certain % of Airplay, not only on country - but all genres of radio. I did a research project on this (inspired by one of the Pulse greats who did a full dissertation on the topic of women at country radio.. may she RIP) and even recent news articles where male programmers are the gatekeepers and just choose not to play females is disgusting. Ghost Story should’ve been number one based on call out scores. Hate My Heart would’ve easily been a top ten had it been a male. The fact Jason Aldean never misses the top ten is enough proof to show programmers are trash. Hate to say it but this has little to nothing to do with gender politics. Carrie hasn’t had a big hit in several album cycles and is starting to pay the price for it (aside from IIDLY). Even “southbound” was a lukewarm hit and took a fabricated push to ring the bell. This is her best shot at a solo #1 in a while and I’m glad the label decided to pull HMH to take it. She’s just at a point in her career where without genuine hit songs radio isn’t gonna send it up based on her name alone anymore. And again, this has nothing to do with her being a woman imo. It’s the same battle Keith, Tim, Blake, etc are all fighting right now and what happens after a string of lackluster attempts and a 20ish year career To be fair all of Keith Urban, Tim McGraw, and Blake Shelton have been around even longer than Carrie Underwood in terms of the mainstream. I do agree poor single choices have lead to to her lack of radio success to an extent but Carrie Underwood being a woman in country music doesn't help.
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Post by carriefan15 on Jun 7, 2023 20:19:27 GMT -5
This is where I think there should be regulation that mandates women make up a certain % of Airplay, not only on country - but all genres of radio. I did a research project on this (inspired by one of the Pulse greats who did a full dissertation on the topic of women at country radio.. may she RIP) and even recent news articles where male programmers are the gatekeepers and just choose not to play females is disgusting. Ghost Story should’ve been number one based on call out scores. Hate My Heart would’ve easily been a top ten had it been a male. The fact Jason Aldean never misses the top ten is enough proof to show programmers are trash. Hate to say it but this has little to nothing to do with gender politics. Carrie hasn’t had a big hit in several album cycles and is starting to pay the price for it (aside from IIDLY). Even “southbound” was a lukewarm hit and took a fabricated push to ring the bell. This is her best shot at a solo #1 in a while and I’m glad the label decided to pull HMH to take it. She’s just at a point in her career where without genuine hit songs radio isn’t gonna send it up based on her name alone anymore. And again, this has nothing to do with her being a woman imo. It’s the same battle Keith, Tim, Blake, etc are all fighting right now and what happens after a string of lackluster attempts and a 20ish year career It 100% has to do with gender politics. It’s silly to think otherwise
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Post by Sugar Rush on Jun 7, 2023 20:59:30 GMT -5
This is where I think there should be regulation that mandates women make up a certain % of Airplay, not only on country - but all genres of radio. I did a research project on this (inspired by one of the Pulse greats who did a full dissertation on the topic of women at country radio.. may she RIP) and even recent news articles where male programmers are the gatekeepers and just choose not to play females is disgusting. Ghost Story should’ve been number one based on call out scores. Hate My Heart would’ve easily been a top ten had it been a male. The fact Jason Aldean never misses the top ten is enough proof to show programmers are trash. Hate to say it but this has little to nothing to do with gender politics. Carrie hasn’t had a big hit in several album cycles and is starting to pay the price for it (aside from IIDLY). Even “southbound” was a lukewarm hit and took a fabricated push to ring the bell. This is her best shot at a solo #1 in a while and I’m glad the label decided to pull HMH to take it. She’s just at a point in her career where without genuine hit songs radio isn’t gonna send it up based on her name alone anymore. And again, this has nothing to do with her being a woman imo. It’s the same battle Keith, Tim, Blake, etc are all fighting right now and what happens after a string of lackluster attempts and a 20ish year career I hate to say this, but you’re wrong. Carrie Underwood being a women over 35 is one of the main factors radio has lost interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 22:26:50 GMT -5
Just had a thought. Is Take me Outa coming out going to hurt OOTT’s playlisting? Like will it get removed from some and replace with TMO? That would be bad since they’ve got good playlisting for OOTT and it’s streaming *so* well (better than 65% of the chart 😏)
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Post by gcizvolsfan on Jun 7, 2023 22:57:20 GMT -5
So excited for this to finally have a chance to smash. Probably going to end up getting blocked from the top by "Everything I Love" or one of Luke’s singles but I’m just happy she finally has something that’s moving the needle again. ehh I'm not claiming this energy lol. "Everything I love" will likely speed up the chart in 3-4 months, whereas this one should take 5-7 most likely. So I'm hoping this can squeeze in between when boys are falling. I'm hoping for at least a Mediabase #1. BB hella difficult these days, especially for females. Unfortunately, it has been difficult for females for 30+ years on BB.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 8, 2023 13:24:49 GMT -5
Just had a thought. Is Take me Outa coming out going to hurt OOTT’s playlisting? Like will it get removed from some and replace with TMO? That would be bad since they’ve got good playlisting for OOTT and it’s streaming *so* well (better than 65% of the chart 😏) Depends on what her team decides to do. From what I understand, placement on prominent Spotify and Apple Music playlists are dealings done by representation with the label. So, in other words, if "Take Me Out" replaces "Out of That Truck" on any of those, it'll have been because her label indicated as such. I doubt OOTT would be pulled from any of those given that it's just beginning its run and they've already been specifically touting its streaming numbers as a sell for radio to invest in it, but her team... isn't the savviest in Nashville so we shall see. My educated guess though is to assume TMO will receive minimal attention and focus.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2023 16:40:23 GMT -5
Hate to say it but this has little to nothing to do with gender politics. Carrie hasn’t had a big hit in several album cycles and is starting to pay the price for it (aside from IIDLY). Even “southbound” was a lukewarm hit and took a fabricated push to ring the bell. This is her best shot at a solo #1 in a while and I’m glad the label decided to pull HMH to take it. She’s just at a point in her career where without genuine hit songs radio isn’t gonna send it up based on her name alone anymore. And again, this has nothing to do with her being a woman imo. It’s the same battle Keith, Tim, Blake, etc are all fighting right now and what happens after a string of lackluster attempts and a 20ish year career I hate to say this, but you’re wrong. Carrie Underwood being a women over 35 is one of the main factors radio has lost interest. Radio doesn’t have much interest in playing women under the age of 35 either. Outside of Lainey and now Megan what other female gets top 10’s consistently? I think Carrie has just released too many duds as singles in recent years. This song thou I think will easily get her back near the top of the charts.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 8, 2023 16:43:07 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but you’re wrong. Carrie Underwood being a women over 35 is one of the main factors radio has lost interest. Radio doesn’t have much interest in playing women under the age of 35 either. Outside of Lainey and now Megan what other female gets top 10’s consistently? I think Carrie has just released too many duds as singles in recent years. This song thou I think will easily get her back near the top of the charts. Megan has only released one single to country radio so far. How is that consistent top 10s?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2023 17:21:52 GMT -5
Radio doesn’t have much interest in playing women under the age of 35 either. Outside of Lainey and now Megan what other female gets top 10’s consistently? I think Carrie has just released too many duds as singles in recent years. This song thou I think will easily get her back near the top of the charts. Megan has only released one single to country radio so far. How is that consistent top 10s? Replace Megan with Carly then. I forgot about her….Which shows you how memorable her singles are lol. You have 2 females that get singles into the top 10 on country radio consistently. Carrie being over 35 has little to nothing to do with why radio doesn’t play her past mediocre singles. This single will be a big hit for her because it’s a good catchy song.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 8, 2023 17:35:31 GMT -5
Let’s put it this way. Jason Aldean just released a craptastic new single and it’s flying up the charts. The lyrics are a mess and it sounds like something that would’ve been left on the cutting room floor. Yet he is a man, so his songs fly up the charts and Carrie is a woman and struggling to get songs in the top 15. Her single choices haven’t been THAT bad, just very much off the beaten path when it comes to country radio.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2023 17:38:29 GMT -5
Megan has only released one single to country radio so far. How is that consistent top 10s? Replace Megan with Carly then. I forgot about her….Which shows you how memorable her singles are lol. You have 2 females that get singles into the top 10 on country radio consistently. Carrie being over 35 has little to nothing to do with why radio doesn’t play her past mediocre singles. This single will be a big hit for her because it’s a good catchy song. I sincerely hope you're not talking about her songs that all went to the top 3
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2023 17:56:47 GMT -5
Replace Megan with Carly then. I forgot about her….Which shows you how memorable her singles are lol. You have 2 females that get singles into the top 10 on country radio consistently. Carrie being over 35 has little to nothing to do with why radio doesn’t play her past mediocre singles. This single will be a big hit for her because it’s a good catchy song. I sincerely hope you're not talking about her songs that all went to the top 3 Bret Young’s “You Didn’t “ I believe made it top 5 but for sure made it top 10 and almost everyone on this board has called it a dud. “Hate My Heart” “Ghost Story” “Drinking Alone” “Southbound” “Cry Pretty” “Dirty Laundry” While sure some of these songs performed well at radio none of them having any lasting power. I couldn’t even tell you the last time I heard any of these played on the radio. “Out Of That Truck” is far superior to any of these. OOTT is on par with her top songs like “Before He Cheats”, “Undo It” & “Last Name.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2023 18:03:34 GMT -5
I sincerely hope you're not talking about her songs that all went to the top 3 Bret Young’s “You Didn’t “ I believe made it top 5 but for sure made it top 10 and almost everyone on this board has called it a dud. “Hate My Heart” “Ghost Story” “Drinking Alone” “Southbound” “Cry Pretty” “Dirty Laundry” While sure some of these songs performed well at radio none of them having any lasting power. I couldn’t even tell you the last time I heard any of these played on the radio. “Out Of That Truck” is far superior to any of these. OOTT is on par with her top songs like “Before He Cheats”, “Undo It” & “Last Name. I wasn't talking about HMH, GS, DA, CP, etc, as they did not make top 3. However, Smoke Break and Heartbeat have proven to be far from mediocre, especially since they stream very well. Yes, OOTT is connecting very well as well, maybe the most since SITW
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 8, 2023 18:58:51 GMT -5
I sincerely hope you're not talking about her songs that all went to the top 3 Bret Young’s “You Didn’t “ I believe made it top 5 but for sure made it top 10 and almost everyone on this board has called it a dud. “Hate My Heart” “Ghost Story” “Drinking Alone” “Southbound” “Cry Pretty” “Dirty Laundry” While sure some of these songs performed well at radio none of them having any lasting power. I couldn’t even tell you the last time I heard any of these played on the radio. “Out Of That Truck” is far superior to any of these. OOTT is on par with her top songs like “Before He Cheats”, “Undo It” & “Last Name. Dirty Laundry & Southbound still pull in a respectable amount of monthly streams on Spotify and iTunes so I don’t know if they belong in that list, but I’m in full agreement with the others listed, add Love Wins as well. Pretty much all of her UMG singles.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 8, 2023 19:19:59 GMT -5
Yeah I still hear "Dirty Laundry" on the radio at least once every couple of weeks.
I do think her single choices during Cry Pretty era is what really kicked it off this slow downward spiral in momentum as besides "Southbound" none of those singles were the right one (even if ACC still occasionally plays the title track), then add in a new influx of women getting airplay (Lainey Wilson, Carly Pearce, Gabby Barrett, somewhat Ingrid Andress, Ashley McBryde, and to a lesser extent Tenille Arts, potentially Megan Moroney, Priscilla Block, Hailey Whitters in the future) and then a mediocre lead single choice at best in "Ghost Story" and it's easy to see why radio has cooled on Carrie Underwood.
I am just glad there is such an obvious song connecting that UMG and Carrie Underwood can't ignore. I just hope that after this Carrie Underwood keeps releasing the right singles as I do think if they play their cards right she could have a Reba esque career but since moving to UMG it has been a fumble after fumble.
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Post by Hil on Jun 8, 2023 20:21:19 GMT -5
I am just glad there is such an obvious song connecting that UMG and Carrie Underwood can't ignore. I just hope that after this Carrie Underwood keeps releasing the right singles as I do think if they play their cards right she could have a Reba esque career but since moving to UMG it has been a fumble after fumble. Hasn't she already had a Reba esque career? I'm mean, I'm all for keeping it going, and I feel she will, but she's been on top for almost two decades.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 8, 2023 20:26:51 GMT -5
I am just glad there is such an obvious song connecting that UMG and Carrie Underwood can't ignore. I just hope that after this Carrie Underwood keeps releasing the right singles as I do think if they play their cards right she could have a Reba esque career but since moving to UMG it has been a fumble after fumble. Hasn't she already had a Reba esque career? I'm mean, I'm all for keeping it going, and I feel she will, but she's been on top for almost two decades. Nah, not yet imo as Reba was relevant in the country radio world from 1983 (her first #1) to 2011 (her last solo #1) which spans a whole 28 year span and Carrie Underwood is on year 18 (2006 to 2023 so far) so for me it's not quite up to Reba yet but with the right single choices it could be.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 8, 2023 20:45:24 GMT -5
Honestly, ever since she moved to UMG, it has been misstep after misstep. I’m not sure that giving her more creative control is boding well for her success, because they’ve chosen the wrong singles consistently since the CP era started. I do think she has a few more hits in her, but not if they continue to pick the wrong singles.
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 9, 2023 2:07:39 GMT -5
I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but Carrie will never have a Reba-esque career. At this point in time, to suggest that Carrie has had a Reba-esque career would be directly equivalent to somebody suggesting that Luke Bryan has had a George Strait-like career.... (Edit: Just to be clear, I am NOT comparing Carrie's overall quality to Luke's. In my opinion, she is leagues above him in terms of consistency and quality! But they are very fitting artists to compare to each other in terms of career length and staggering amounts of consistent hits, while also starting to show signs of commercial decline in recent eras.)
Don't get me wrong, Carrie will always be an absolute icon, without any doubt whatsoever!!! She has already cemented herself a place as one of the most important female country artists of all time. But that's not nearly enough to be a Reba-level artist.
She's already showing signs of being on her commercial downslide with not even HALF the top 10 singles that Reba was able to achieve. Sure, charts may move slower now, but she also doesn't have the same warm charisma or the ability to constantly reinvent herself while still being true to herself that have been staples of Reba's brand for 40+ years.
Carrie will very much go down in history as an icon, as will Luke Bryan. But the George Strait and Reba McEntire types of careers are the kinds of once-in-a-lifetime events that we will more than likely never see replicated. The ability to get never-ending top 10 hits for 30 years without commercial decline is just not realistic anymore.
Edit x2: I do realize raylatch98 that your point was more that post-success Carrie could look like post-success Reba. Host an awards show here, release a random Grammy-nominated album there, get the occasional top 40 hit every once in awhile, etc. So I get your point, and agree with you! My post was more in response to the question of hasn't Carrie already had a Reba-esque career, and like, no...she's maybe like halfway there.
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