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Post by daddy on Jun 9, 2023 13:17:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but Carrie will never have a Reba-esque career. At this point in time, to suggest that Carrie has had a Reba-esque career would be directly equivalent to somebody suggesting that Luke Bryan has had a George Strait-like career.... (Edit: Just to be clear, I am NOT comparing Carrie's overall quality to Luke's. In my opinion, she is leagues above him in terms of consistency and quality! But they are very fitting artists to compare to each other in terms of career length and staggering amounts of consistent hits, while also starting to show signs of commercial decline in recent eras.)
Don't get me wrong, Carrie will always be an absolute icon, without any doubt whatsoever!!! She has already cemented herself a place as one of the most important female country artists of all time. But that's not nearly enough to be a Reba-level artist.
She's already showing signs of being on her commercial downslide with not even HALF the top 10 singles that Reba was able to achieve. Sure, charts may move slower now, but she also doesn't have the same warm charisma or the ability to constantly reinvent herself while still being true to herself that have been staples of Reba's brand for 40+ years.
Carrie will very much go down in history as an icon, as will Luke Bryan. But the George Strait and Reba McEntire types of careers are the kinds of once-in-a-lifetime events that we will more than likely never see replicated. The ability to get never-ending top 10 hits for 30 years without commercial decline is just not realistic anymore.
Edit x2: I do realize raylatch98 that your point was more that post-success Carrie could look like post-success Reba. Host an awards show here, release a random Grammy-nominated album there, get the occasional top 40 hit every once in awhile, etc. So I get your point, and agree with you! My post was more in response to the question of hasn't Carrie already had a Reba-esque career, and like, no...she's maybe like halfway there. I love Reba and she's completely iconic. As you mentioned, the charts moved miles faster when Reba was at her peak compared to pretty much the entirety of Carrie's radio career. So comparing #1s, while inevitable, really isn't an accurate indicator in this case. And the rest seems subjective. Speaking of subjective - with Carrie's crossover appeal, I'd think she's ultimately brought more fans to the genre than Reba has. I know I never listened to country music until she began covering country songs on idol. I actually discovered Reba and her music through being a fan of Carrie Also, "Before He Cheats" is such a legacy song that I think will outlive all of Reba's hits with the general public. I bring up these points to say it's really difficult to compare careers because there are so many different factors that go into a career and it can depend on what you value, which is subjective. In this specific case, while their careers definitely overlap, Reba was an active artist during a time that was quite different than much of Carrie's career. Personally, I view Dolly, Reba, and Carrie as the country music holy trinity, and I have a difficult time imagining any other active female artists reaching their levels of success/celebrity, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
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Post by countryfan43 on Jun 9, 2023 13:22:40 GMT -5
The country charts are really starting to remind me of other genres where we have someone blocking the top for 5-8 weeks constantly and other songs dying in the 2-8 range. I’m hoping this can score a number one because while I don’t care for it it seems we have great feedback on here that warrants a number 1.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2023 13:29:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but Carrie will never have a Reba-esque career. At this point in time, to suggest that Carrie has had a Reba-esque career would be directly equivalent to somebody suggesting that Luke Bryan has had a George Strait-like career.... (Edit: Just to be clear, I am NOT comparing Carrie's overall quality to Luke's. In my opinion, she is leagues above him in terms of consistency and quality! But they are very fitting artists to compare to each other in terms of career length and staggering amounts of consistent hits, while also starting to show signs of commercial decline in recent eras.)
Don't get me wrong, Carrie will always be an absolute icon, without any doubt whatsoever!!! She has already cemented herself a place as one of the most important female country artists of all time. But that's not nearly enough to be a Reba-level artist.
She's already showing signs of being on her commercial downslide with not even HALF the top 10 singles that Reba was able to achieve. Sure, charts may move slower now, but she also doesn't have the same warm charisma or the ability to constantly reinvent herself while still being true to herself that have been staples of Reba's brand for 40+ years.
Carrie will very much go down in history as an icon, as will Luke Bryan. But the George Strait and Reba McEntire types of careers are the kinds of once-in-a-lifetime events that we will more than likely never see replicated. The ability to get never-ending top 10 hits for 30 years without commercial decline is just not realistic anymore.
Edit x2: I do realize raylatch98 that your point was more that post-success Carrie could look like post-success Reba. Host an awards show here, release a random Grammy-nominated album there, get the occasional top 40 hit every once in awhile, etc. So I get your point, and agree with you! My post was more in response to the question of hasn't Carrie already had a Reba-esque career, and like, no...she's maybe like halfway there. I love Reba and she's completely iconic. As you mentioned, the charts moved miles faster when Reba was at her peak compared to pretty much the entirety of Carrie's radio career. So comparing #1s, while inevitable, really isn't an accurate indicator in this case. And the rest seems subjective. Speaking of subjective - with Carrie's crossover appeal, I'd think she's ultimately brought more fans to the genre than Reba has. I know I never listened to country music until she began covering country songs on idol. I actually discovered Reba and her music through being a fan of Carrie Also, "Before He Cheats" is such a legacy song that I think will outlive all of Reba's hits with the general public. I bring up these points to say it's really difficult to compare careers because there are so many different factors that go into a career and it can depend on what you value, which is subjective. In this specific case, while their careers definitely overlap, Reba was an active artist during a time that was quite different than much of Carrie's career. Personally, I view Dolly, Reba, and Carrie as the country music holy trinity, and I have a difficult time imagining any other active female artists reaching their levels of success/celebrity, but I'd love to be proven wrong. View AttachmentI agree with this. If the charts climbed as fast today as they did when Reba was starting out, Carrie would have had probably a dozen more hits, especially from 2005-2015. Not to mention, with how different the charts were, the first few years of her career, Most of her songs didn’t do well, and she didn’t have a number one for almost a decade. If that happened today, the artist would never have gotten a chance to have a number one after those many years of not having one. The charts are just so different. So yeah it’s really hard to compare the chart store in reverse time today. It’s hard to view Carrie and her career as Rena’s yet just because Carrie hasn’t been around that long. When Reba’s career was only 18 years in, she might not have been recognized as as much of an icon yet. I definitely view Carrie as one of the Queens of Country, because of the immense pop culture impact she’s had as well as an impact on the genre, very few country artists - male and female- are as popular in pop culture as Carrie is and that alone gives her Reba level familiarity and icon status in my opinion. It was Dolly, then Reba, now Carrie, as the queens of country each from a different time
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Post by taylor on Jun 9, 2023 13:30:18 GMT -5
The charts are simply not the best indicator anymore. But while we’re there, Carrie’s historic run of hits during the last 16 years, particularly with Mediabase, is something extremely similar to Reba’s radio prime in the late 80s-entirety of the 90s. Beyond that, Carrie has become the closest thing you can get to being a figure like Reba in this generation of music consumption—and she’s not even fully there yet. If CU branches out and gets into acting again, like Reba did at the start of the century, it could potentially be something that breathes new life into her career and brings a new generation of fans to her music. That’s how Reba managed to stay relevant in a world without streaming as her radio career finally started to slowly show signs of decay.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 9, 2023 13:53:25 GMT -5
Comparing a career which peaked in the 80s and 90s to a career which peaked decades later is like comparing professional athletic teams from then to teams of today. Reba peaked during what was arguably the golden age for women in country music. Carrie peaked during a drought of women in country music. Almost every circumstance is different when comparing the two. If we’re talking about overall impact in terms of being a legend or icon, Carrie is well on her way to standing alongside all of the greats. She has achieved or is in the process of achieving all of the recognition and accolades the past ladies have received, and then some.
Carrie’s radio accomplishments occurred over a period during which time some years she was the only female to hit #1 on country radio… The odds were stacked against her, radio was in the midst of a shift to “bro country” but Carrie somehow chugged her way to the top single after single, year after year for over a decade. Reba had sizable competition during her peak among women in country music, and still managed to best them all! My point is that we’re comparing the best apple to the best orange of different time periods in which their accomplishments were achieved individually of one another with entirely separate sets of circumstances, especially when it comes to the world of country radio.
They are both legends of country music who continue to use their platform for the betterment of humanity through their art… both defied odds in their own way to become record breakers, and both rank high on pretty much every list which measures success in country music and entertainment.
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 9, 2023 14:12:33 GMT -5
The charts are simply not the best indicator anymore. But while we’re there, Carrie’s historic run of hits during the last 16 years, particularly with Mediabase, is something extremely similar to Reba’s radio prime in the late 80s-entirety of the 90s. Beyond that, Carrie has become the closest thing you can get to being a figure like Reba in this generation of music consumption—and she’s not even fully there yet. If CU branches out and gets into acting again, like Reba did at the start of the century, it could potentially be something that breathes new life into her career and brings a new generation of fans to her music. That’s how Reba managed to stay relevant in a world without streaming as her radio career finally started to slowly show signs of decay. This is how I feel. I feel like out of all the women to debut after Reba, Carrie's radio career has maintained the most longevity and consistency among the females to even put her in the ballpark of Reba (while of course never quite being on Reba's exact level.) I echo the statement that the charts move much slower now, and also the fact that had Sony released more singles from albums 1-5 that she could've EASILY had 10 or more top 5/10 songs (heck probably even #1 songs cause prior to the Cry Pretty album, radio literally ate any/everything Carrie up.) I mean, they even sent Mama's Song to the top 2. But for whatever reason for every album, except Carnival Ride, they only released 4 singles, and for every other album, left tons of hits unreleased for each album.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 9, 2023 14:34:58 GMT -5
I think it’s also important to note that Carrie’s radio career peak occurred over the course of multiple major changes in how consumers access music. Carrie started when CDs were still the bread and butter of record sales. By “Blown Away” the peak of the digital download era had come and gone, and now a decade later everyone streams music and the main way to get a career hit is through social media. Country radio has changed at least as dramatically, further disadvantaging women due to the monopolization of country music by a few male artists who take up 90% of the chart space. There are more women seeing success, but it all seems lost in a sea of Morgan Wallen songs…
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Post by musicfan134 on Jun 9, 2023 18:23:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Carrie already is a legend on par with Reba tbh. Even putting radio aside, Some Hearts alone has sold almost double that of Reba's best-selling album. BHC is bigger than anything Reba has ever put out. Reba hasn't had a radio hit in over a decade. And Carrie is definitely the bigger name outside of the US and has done more to bring people into country music with Idol, SNF, etc. Reba might have more hits but Carrie has bigger (and more recent) ones. Quality > quantity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2023 18:59:59 GMT -5
OOTT debuts at #56 this week on billboard. A solid start this week, especially on the Hot Country Songs where it debuted at 45 this past Monday and it continues to stream better than 65% of the chart!
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jun 9, 2023 20:59:44 GMT -5
Yeah, Carrie already is a legend on par with Reba tbh. Even putting radio aside, Some Hearts alone has sold almost double that of Reba's best-selling album. BHC is bigger than anything Reba has ever put out. Reba hasn't had a radio hit in over a decade. And Carrie is definitely the bigger name outside of the US and has done more to bring people into country music with Idol, SNF, etc. Reba might have more hits but Carrie has bigger (and more recent) ones. Quality > quantity. I would not say Quality > Quantity , because that means Carrie’s talent > Reba , which is not true. Reba is a Legend and Icon Carrie has made her way to become one. Reba has the longetivity . Carrie has come a long way and although declining, still relevant today. Carrie’s peak is higher than most country singers.
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Post by gcizvolsfan on Jun 9, 2023 23:50:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but Carrie will never have a Reba-esque career. At this point in time, to suggest that Carrie has had a Reba-esque career would be directly equivalent to somebody suggesting that Luke Bryan has had a George Strait-like career.... (Edit: Just to be clear, I am NOT comparing Carrie's overall quality to Luke's. In my opinion, she is leagues above him in terms of consistency and quality! But they are very fitting artists to compare to each other in terms of career length and staggering amounts of consistent hits, while also starting to show signs of commercial decline in recent eras.) Don't get me wrong, Carrie will always be an absolute icon, without any doubt whatsoever!!! She has already cemented herself a place as one of the most important female country artists of all time. But that's not nearly enough to be a Reba-level artist. She's already showing signs of being on her commercial downslide with not even HALF the top 10 singles that Reba was able to achieve. Sure, charts may move slower now, but she also doesn't have the same warm charisma or the ability to constantly reinvent herself while still being true to herself that have been staples of Reba's brand for 40+ years. Carrie will very much go down in history as an icon, as will Luke Bryan. But the George Strait and Reba McEntire types of careers are the kinds of once-in-a-lifetime events that we will more than likely never see replicated. The ability to get never-ending top 10 hits for 30 years without commercial decline is just not realistic anymore. Edit x2: I do realize raylatch98 that your point was more that post-success Carrie could look like post-success Reba. Host an awards show here, release a random Grammy-nominated album there, get the occasional top 40 hit every once in awhile, etc. So I get your point, and agree with you! My post was more in response to the question of hasn't Carrie already had a Reba-esque career, and like, no...she's maybe like halfway there. I love Reba and she's completely iconic. As you mentioned, the charts moved miles faster when Reba was at her peak compared to pretty much the entirety of Carrie's radio career. So comparing #1s, while inevitable, really isn't an accurate indicator in this case. And the rest seems subjective. Speaking of subjective - with Carrie's crossover appeal, I'd think she's ultimately brought more fans to the genre than Reba has. I know I never listened to country music until she began covering country songs on idol. I actually discovered Reba and her music through being a fan of Carrie Also, "Before He Cheats" is such a legacy song that I think will outlive all of Reba's hits with the general public. I bring up these points to say it's really difficult to compare careers because there are so many different factors that go into a career and it can depend on what you value, which is subjective. In this specific case, while their careers definitely overlap, Reba was an active artist during a time that was quite different than much of Carrie's career. Personally, I view Dolly, Reba, and Carrie as the country music holy trinity, and I have a difficult time imagining any other active female artists reaching their levels of success/celebrity, but I'd love to be proven wrong. View AttachmentI love "Before He Cheats" but don't think it compares to Reba's "Whoever's in New England". Reba had #1's before this song but it put her on the way. Video was new back then and Reba knew how to make her song's into video's.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jun 10, 2023 1:42:17 GMT -5
Yeah, Carrie already is a legend on par with Reba tbh. Even putting radio aside, Some Hearts alone has sold almost double that of Reba's best-selling album. BHC is bigger than anything Reba has ever put out. Reba hasn't had a radio hit in over a decade. And Carrie is definitely the bigger name outside of the US and has done more to bring people into country music with Idol, SNF, etc. Reba might have more hits but Carrie has bigger (and more recent) ones. Quality > quantity. I would say Quality > Quantity , because that means Carrie’s talent > Reba , which is not true. Reba is a Legend and Icon Carrie has made her way to become one. Reba has the longetivity . Carrie has come a long way and although declining, still relevant today. Carrie’s peak is higher than most country singers. I should clarify...when I say quality I'm speaking strictly in terms of, Carrie has had the bigger hits. I know bigger is not always better so maybe that was a poor word choice in hindsight but I was trying to say, Reba has had more hits, Carrie has had bigger hits.
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 10, 2023 2:29:58 GMT -5
For me personally, I think her career trajectory is on par to have her finish as a slightly bigger icon on the all-time female list than the incredible quadruple of Martina/Faith/Trisha/Shania, but still quite a bit below the Dolly/Reba/Loretta tier. And anyone is free to roll their eyes at that, or say "it doesn't matter because they're from different time periods and all the metrics are different", but honestly if you take a step back and think for a second, being somewhere a little bit ahead of Martina and Faith while still being behind Reba puts her in the same category as a legend like Tammy Wynette, which is absolutely still a great gig, lmao!
I just think it is very easy to downplay/diminish/forget how massive all of those artists were in their primes, while simultaneously over-emphasizing Carrie by comparison since she's current. Especially for anyone who didn't experience it firsthand because they didn't follow country music until Carrie emerged on the scene.
But I don't mean to stoke any fan wars between the ladies. I think the one thing we can all agree with is that Carrie is definitely going to go down as the biggest female country artist since Reba when all is said and done! As she deserves! And I think it is going to be multiple decades before we see a female artist reach the same level that Carrie has reached. Which is very sad to me.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jun 10, 2023 3:51:26 GMT -5
I think we should stop with all these comparison. Lets unite and stream OOTT because Carrie deserves better !!!
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 10, 2023 4:01:11 GMT -5
Yes, in other news, I am stoked to see this debut on the charts already! Hopefully radio takes to it the way that the streaming public is. All signs are there so far for this to be huge
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Post by dm2081 on Jun 10, 2023 6:43:50 GMT -5
This is easily the best thing she’s put out in a long time. Compared to other recent singles, this one just has so much more life to it. It’s a great summer sounding single and I think it was extremely wise to pivot and release this one. Think this should be a future #1.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2023 13:39:23 GMT -5
OOTT moves up two spaces to #43 this week on Hot Country Songs
If this is nearly top forty with only negligible airplay so far, I’m really excited to see how far it can make it once it starts receiving significant airplay. It’s definitely off to a really great start as it continues to stream very, very well
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2023 16:02:01 GMT -5
#5 most added with 12 more adds, bringing the total to 59
While this numbers a little low and I would have liked about ten more, if it keeps this pace it’s fine
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Post by Hil on Jun 12, 2023 16:26:36 GMT -5
#5 most added with 12 more adds, bringing the total to 59 While this numbers a little low and I would have liked about ten more, if it keeps this pace it’s fine Any reason why they're slow to add it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2023 16:42:14 GMT -5
#5 most added with 12 more adds, bringing the total to 59 While this numbers a little low and I would have liked about ten more, if it keeps this pace it’s fine Any reason why they're slow to add it? I do think having to compete with Gabby’s clear channel deal this week took some adds away from it. But aside from that, Carrie just doesn’t have much momentum after HMH. But I fully expect this to pick up within a month and the really good test scores come back combined with the already phenomenal streaming
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 12, 2023 16:48:17 GMT -5
HMH only had 10 adds on second week if I remember correct. So that’s slightly better than that. This will be fine.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 12, 2023 18:00:58 GMT -5
Climbed to #60 on Mediabase this week. Should have a good shot at top 50 by next week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2023 18:31:25 GMT -5
^ It's crazy that it's doing better on Billboard than Mediabase, which I'd say is a harder chart to do well on
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 12, 2023 19:10:13 GMT -5
^ It's crazy that it's doing better on Billboard than Mediabase, which I'd say is a harder chart to do well on Songs always start off quicker on the BB chart. That's totally normal. It takes a few weeks for it to catch up on MB.
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Post by jab820 on Jun 12, 2023 21:56:21 GMT -5
I am hearing this like crazy on my local stations (none of which are BB reporting, ironically) and it just sounds great. It really does feel like the makings of her biggest hit since... Church Bells? Excited for this to take off.
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Post by Crimsonio on Jun 16, 2023 0:08:44 GMT -5
Above all else, can Carrie please fire her entire team and start fresh for the next era? This era has been mismanaged horribly from the start.
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Post by carriefan15 on Jun 16, 2023 1:15:07 GMT -5
Above all else, can Carrie please fire her entire team and start fresh for the next era? This era has been mismanaged horribly from the start. Since when is unpredictable and out of the ordinary a bad thing? 💁♂️ In my eyes they’re keeping it fresh!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 15:29:00 GMT -5
Up 7 spots to #49 on Billboard Country Airplay this week
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Post by Sugar Rush on Jun 16, 2023 17:22:53 GMT -5
Up 7 spots to #49 on Billboard Country Airplay this week I would say that's a nice jump! What was HMH's first few chart weeks?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 17:26:59 GMT -5
Up 7 spots to #49 on Billboard Country Airplay this week I would say that's a nice jump! What was HMH's first few chart weeks? OOTT is off to a much better start than Hate My Heart. HMH debuted a week after its impact date at #60, and then moved up to #55 in its second week. In HMH's second week, it only gained a mere 123K compared to OOTT's gain of almost 500K. And what's also notable is HMH was following a top five hit, while OOTT is following a #20 peak/Carrie's lowest peaking single ever
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