Billboard Hot 100: 10/21/2023

[gs]

Oct 8, 2023 7:02:00 GMT -5 peachorino said:

The numbers are in, and "For All The Dogs" suffered a -39.21% second day drop, better than "Certified Lover Boy" but slightly worse than "Her Loss" last year. 

For direct comparison:

Scorpion: 60,612,450 -24.68%
CLB: 45,495,488 -43.44%
Her Loss: 31,848,615 -37.72%
FATD: 35,397,545 -39.21%

this is genuinely tragic given there was 6 hours missing

like it genuinely should have been -25 or -30%... GP is not tuning into Drake anymore

[velaxti]

Oct 8, 2023 7:11:03 GMT -5 gs said:

Oct 8, 2023 7:02:00 GMT -5 peachorino said:

The numbers are in, and "For All The Dogs" suffered a -39.21% second day drop, better than "Certified Lover Boy" but slightly worse than "Her Loss" last year. 

For direct comparison:

Scorpion: 60,612,450 -24.68%
CLB: 45,495,488 -43.44%
Her Loss: 31,848,615 -37.72%
FATD: 35,397,545 -39.21%

this is genuinely tragic given there was 6 hours missing

like it genuinely should have been -25 or -30%... GP is not tuning into Drake anymore

I think that's a bit over-dramatic, it's still a really big album bomb (one of, if not the biggest of the year). I was expecting he'd have about 5 top 10 debuts, it's actually doing a bit better than I was expecting so far.

The longevity may not be good though (for Drake who used to have some album tracks spending 20 weeks on the Hot 100), but it's too early to know on that front.

[Deleted]

Oct 8, 2023 7:11:03 GMT -5 gs said:

Oct 8, 2023 7:02:00 GMT -5 peachorino said:

The numbers are in, and "For All The Dogs" suffered a -39.21% second day drop, better than "Certified Lover Boy" but slightly worse than "Her Loss" last year. 

For direct comparison:

Scorpion: 60,612,450 -24.68%
CLB: 45,495,488 -43.44%
Her Loss: 31,848,615 -37.72%
FATD: 35,397,545 -39.21%

GP is not tuning into Drake anymore

How is the GP not turning up for someone who occupied the Top 23 of Apple Music and debuted with over 100m streams on Spotify?

Some of you will literally say anything. 

[wavey.]

Lord have mercy💀

[gs]

I mean, yes, he has a huge casual fanbase obviously, that's how he has such insane debut power still, but no one in the first day of streaming is usually part of the "GP".

And if you consider casual fans "GP", then it's clear they aren't tuning in *after* the first day anymore, because nothing he releases really sticks. Last one was Rich Flex and even that pales in comparison to his previous hits.

Regardless, his quality has gone down to comically bad levels, all of his latest albums have been panned and tank hard after the first huge day.

He reminds me of Taylor's performance in 2020-2021. Huge debut power, but literally nothing stuck, because the GP wasn't tuning in. Ask the GP when they started paying attention to her again and it would've been Midnights/2023 era.

[firefox]

Not Hot 100 related but a Filipino song finally debuts on the global Spotify chart! Shoutout to all my fellow Filipinos out there!

[clsvltn]

I am a huge fan of Drake, I have not even listened to the album yet. I was going to at midnight on Thursday but since he delayed it, and I had a busy weekend, I just did not have a chance. I plan on it today. Anyway, the debut for Drake is amazing. He literally is most likely going to be 90% of the Top 10 Hot 100.

A lot of the "GP" (what a weird abbreviation lol) as some say do not even know about this release. I have friends who like Drake and they didn't even know he was releasing an album. The "GP" relies on the promotion aspect of it all which Drake did not do. There are not even physical copies in retailers. One of my friends likes to go to Target every couple weeks and pick up CDs from the new releases (90s kids unite we love CDS still!!!) and when she went on Saturday, had Drake had a physical copy she would have picked it up!

Anyway, my point is - The "GP" may very well be interested in Drake but there were minimal ways for them to even know about this release as it was not physically available anywhere and there was no talk show/TV/promo/press besides the blogs and if you were a fan and were specifically following him. The argument to say "GP" do not check for Drake is not something we can verify for this release due to the overwhelming factors at hand that played against "GP" ever knowing of the release. And at the end of the day, his 9 top 10s arent gonna lose him any sleep. He will cash his checks and release another album in 2024.

[85la]

Oct 8, 2023 11:32:36 GMT -5 clsvltn said:

I am a huge fan of Drake, I have not even listened to the album yet. I was going to at midnight on Thursday but since he delayed it, and I had a busy weekend, I just did not have a chance. I plan on it today. Anyway, the debut for Drake is amazing. He literally is most likely going to be 90% of the Top 10 Hot 100.

A lot of the "GP" (what a weird abbreviation lol) as some say do not even know about this release. I have friends who like Drake and they didn't even know he was releasing an album. The "GP" relies on the promotion aspect of it all which Drake did not do. There are not even physical copies in retailers. One of my friends likes to go to Target every couple weeks and pick up CDs from the new releases (90s kids unite we love CDS still!!!) and when she went on Saturday, had Drake had a physical copy she would have picked it up!

Anyway, my point is - The "GP" may very well be interested in Drake but there were minimal ways for them to even know about this release as it was not physically available anywhere and there was no talk show/TV/promo/press besides the blogs and if you were a fan and were specifically following him. The argument to say "GP" do not check for Drake is not something we can verify for this release due to the overwhelming factors at hand that played against "GP" ever knowing of the release. And at the end of the day, his 9 top 10s arent gonna lose him any sleep. He will cash his checks and release another album in 2024.

He made not have done more "traditional" media promo such as talk show/tv/radio, etc., but it has been largely promoted on social media and the internet for months now. Slime You Out, the lead single (or focus track, whatever you want to call it) was released a couple weeks ago, and the vast majority of his fanbase and rap fans in general don't consume his music physically, so the argument that his fans or the gp wouldn't have known about it by now or wouldn't have the means to consume it is weak. I'm not at all saying the album isn't a success or won't have any longevity (which will remain to be seen), and a 400-450k debut in 2023 is still top of the line, but it is significantly down from his peak and his popularity is clearly declining.

[wavey.]

Lbr, if there was a fire 1st single(that was actually promoted and videos), the album would be up at 500k. Look at the CLB era for example. 400-450k with only announced not too long ago isn't too bad for him.

I feel if the J.Cole collab hits #1, they'll put focus on that, and send it to radio as well.

[clsvltn]

Drake is in a similar situation as Ed Sheeran for the type of music they are choosing to release. If Drake released "old Drake" music, there is no doubt the numbers would be bigger as well. There are people who want Drake to rap, there are people who want Drake to sing and there are people who enjoy both but still might have a favorite preference. With the proper material and promotion, if Drake truly wanted to get 700K+ he could. He chooses to release what he wants and does whatever he wants in terms of promo or awareness. I don't think his popularity is "clearly declining" - I mean, again, only would you hear that on Pulse when someone is about to take 9 of the top songs of the week and have an entire album chart lol. Just because he doesn't sell 1 million every album does not mean anything is declining - at least in the ways some are claiming. At the end of the day, the album is still going to be a monster success and rack up at least a few #1 hits as well.

[musiclife]

That lack of energy for this chart week is lowkey hilarious.

[theycallmedualian]

Oct 7, 2023 18:47:07 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Oct 7, 2023 18:40:27 GMT -5 theycallmedualian said:

because the chart is extremely weak right now and drake wont fail take up most of the chart or debut #1 anyway. the points will differ but the positions will be roughly the same. 

actually these Saturday predictions have been happening for about 6 or 7 weeks now at least . They used to wait till after the weekend

because chart has been weak now for about 6 or 7 weeks now at least. 

[theycallmedualian]

Oct 8, 2023 7:11:03 GMT -5 gs said:

Oct 8, 2023 7:02:00 GMT -5 peachorino said:

The numbers are in, and "For All The Dogs" suffered a -39.21% second day drop, better than "Certified Lover Boy" but slightly worse than "Her Loss" last year. 

For direct comparison:

Scorpion: 60,612,450 -24.68%
CLB: 45,495,488 -43.44%
Her Loss: 31,848,615 -37.72%
FATD: 35,397,545 -39.21%

this is genuinely tragic given there was 6 hours missing

like it genuinely should have been -25 or -30%... GP is not tuning into Drake anymore

how silly is this comment that because FATD had a slightly worse dip 2nd day then it means the GP isnt tuning in, when his 2nd day numbers are still bigger than most artists' first day numbers? lol

its almost like the people who uses this dumb term 'gp' the most doesnt even know what it means.  surely you dont believe the 10-15 million unique listeners tuning in from spotify alone are all just chronically online loser twitter stans, do you? lol.

the only way where 'gp dont tune into' are true are for flopped artists slightly propped up by a tiny fanbase such as gaga, but even then it's not like all of her listeners are all completely isolated from the rest of society,so this term is basically inapplicable even in any case, other than demonstrating how weird/detached the user of the word himself is lol. 

[Choco]

Oct 8, 2023 16:02:35 GMT -5 musiclife said:

That lack of energy for this chart week is lowkey hilarious.

Understandable. Why would I risk getting clogged out of the top 10 by a Drake album bomb by dropping my single this week? Like imagine something like "Used to be Young", which wasn't even a particularly strong performer but still logged a week at #8 before going down fast. Drop that this week and it doesn't even crack top 20 before fading.

[thegreatdivine]

New Bad Bunny album this Friday.

[fridayteenage]

i expect a reverse drake experience. does great on US spotify, but demolishes WW.

[lazer]

This will be a busy month.

[musiclife]

I don't wanna stupid but where did he confirm Friday? Lol

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

The whole “general public” concept is funny, in particular when it comes to music nowadays because what even does it mean? Who is it referring to?

[neel]

Oct 8, 2023 23:23:34 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

The whole “general public” concept is funny, in particular when it comes to music nowadays because what even does it mean? Who is it referring to?

I think it’s stan twitter’s way of saying “normies” or some stupid shit like that.

[korbel16]

Oct 8, 2023 16:57:43 GMT -5 theycallmedualian said:

Oct 7, 2023 18:47:07 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

actually these Saturday predictions have been happening for about 6 or 7 weeks now at least . They used to wait till after the weekend

because chart has been weak now for about 6 or 7 weeks now at least. 

has there generally been anything big to talk about at all since the summer ? lol this year isn’t great

[SPRΞΞ]

Drake adding 9 more Top 10's to his tally in one week just doesn't sound like a chart stat to be compared to pre-streaming Hot 100 days.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 10/06/23

Drake - For All the Dogs [23/23]
1(=) First Person Shooter 2,943,148 (-1,520,495) (-34%)
2(+1) IDGAF 2,658,791 (-1,398,398) (-34%) *NEW PEAK*
3(-1) Virginia Beach 2,221,432 (-1,979,787) (-47%)
4(=) Calling for You 1,887,635 (-1,943,522) (-51%)
5(+3) Slime You Out 1,839,932 (-920,272) (-33%)
6(=) Daylight 1,798,547 (-1,471,424) (-45%)
7(-2) Fear of Heights 1,747,542 (-1,629,014) (-48%)
8(+3) Gently 1,723,898 (-512,906) -23%) *NEW PEAK*
9(=) 7969 Santa 1,578,727 (-1,181,214) (-43%)
10(-3) Amen 1,519,825 (-1,738,049) (-53%)
12(+2) Rich Baby Daddy 1,481,728 (-496,573) (-25%) *NEW PEAK*
13(=) 8am in Charlotte 1,481,257 (-582,152) (-28%)
14(+1) What Would Pluto Do 1,356,240 (-616,870) (-31%) *NEW PEAK*
15(-5) Bahamas Paradise 1,328,910 (-925,001) (-41%)
16(-4) Tried Our Best 1,323,938 (-892,141)
18(-1) All the Parties 1,220,204 (-739,279)
19(-1) Members Only 1,197,991 (-759,880)
20(-1) Another Late Night 1,194,878 (-560,610)
21(-5) Drew A Picasso 1,175,790 (-791,375)
25(-2) Away From Home 1,046,792 (-448,956)
27(-3) BBL Love - Interlude 904,230 (-534,721)
28(-7) Screw the World - Interlude 883,788 (-767,428)
29(-3) Polar Opposites 882,322 (-426,810)
Total Second Day Streams: 35,416,633 (-39%)

Top 10 Without 'For All The Dogs'
11(+9) Doja Cat - Paint the Town Red 1,494,506 (-184,917)
17(+5) Zach Bryan, Kacey Musgraves - I Remember Everything 1,262,056 (-240,701)
22(+5) Gunna - fukumean 1,142,476 (-104,179)
23(+2) Tate McRae - greedy 1,106,891 (-229,448)
24(+4) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 1,070,133 (-78,073)
26(+3) Morgan Wallen - Last Night 1,014,550 (-59,974)
30(=) Mitski - My Love Mine All Mine 875,506 (-115,461)
31(=) Olivia Rodrigo - vampire 869,863(-99,473)
32(=) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 793,910 (-86,033)
33(+1) Travis Scott - I KNOW ? 771,516 (-63,789)

Other:
34(-1) Olivia Rodrigo - bad idea right? 767,246 (-99,285)
35(+1) Peso Pluma, Gabito Ballesteros, Junior H - LADY GAGA 733,095 (-45,786)
36(-1) Kenya Grace - Strangers 710,431 (-107,737)
37(+3) KAROL G, Peso Pluma - QLONA 697,836 (-35,719)
39(-1) SZA - Snooze 676,461 (-75,608)
40(-3) Doja Cat - Agora Hills 671,249 (-93,460)
41(-2) Travis Scott, Drake - MELTDOWN 659,539 (-85,945)
43(=) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 624,273 (-82,398)
44(=) Olivia Rodrigo - get him back! 604,110 (-65,446)
46(-5) Jung Kook, Jack Harlow - 3D 582,489 (-130,182) (-18%)
47(=) Luke Combs - Fast Car 576,216 (-66,082)
50(+5) Dua Lipa - Dance the Night 566,709 (+34,044)
51(+10) Lil Tecca - 500lbs 558,986 (-19,761)
53(-1) Zach Bryan, The War and Treaty - Hey Driver 548,701 (-80,880)
55(-1) Oliver Anthony Music - Rich Men North of Richmond 546,229 (-58,984)
56(-3) Billie Eilish - What Was I Made For? 541,692 (-79,937)
58(+5) Morgan Wallen - Thinkin' Bout Me 531,166 (-30,741)
59(-3) Frank Ocean - Pink + White 528,856 (-63,746)
60(=) Jung Kook, Latto - Seven 511,447 (-71,261)
61(-4) Travis Scott, SZA, Future - TELEKINESIS 508,317 (-77,053)
63(+8) Myke Towers - LALA 504,340 (-19,015)
64(+6) Nicki Minaj, Ice Spice - Barbie World 502,780 (+22,407)
65(-3) Bad Bunny - UN PREVIEW 499,548 (-65,122)
67(-21) Noah Kahan, Kacey Musgraves - She Calls Me Back 486,334 (-164,667) (-25%)
68(-4) Zach Bryan, Noah Kahan - Sarah's Place 478,811 (-78,500)
70(+9) Brent Faiyaz - Clouded 469,200 (-33,674)
71(-3) Olivia Rodrigo - all-american bitch 467,865 (-71,585)
72(-6) Bailey Zimmerman - Religiously 463,069 (-81,910)
73(+4) Zach Bryan - Heading South 460,607 (-44,862)
77(+7) Taylor Swift - Style 449,603 (-33,645)
78(+15) Calle 24, Chino Pacas, Fuerza Regida - Que Onda 446,759 (-18,752)
82(+19) Taylor Swift - Blank Space 439,114 (-10,590)
84(+5) Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - FE!N 435,999 (-38,438)
85(-4) Zach Bryan - Tourniquet 433,083 (-59,889)
88(+2) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 424,816 (-49,026)
90(+9) Noah Kahan, Post Malone - Dial Drunk Remix 419,831 (-33,789)
93(+12) Ice Spice - Deli 416,320 (-15,544)
94(-7) David Kushner - Daylight 416,047 (-62,643)
95(+1) Tyla - Water 409,571 (-45,420) (-10%)
96(+19) Malum, Carin Leon - Según Quién 409,115 (-15,372) *NEW PEAK*
100(-28) Jessie Murphy, Jelly Roll - Wild Ones 401,490 (-121,006) (-23%)

101(+15) Fuerza Regida - SABOR FRESA 400,799 (-20,177)
102(+7) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 400,616 (-27,556)
103(+3) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 399,001 (-32,355)
104(-2) Taylor Swift - cardigan 397,649 (-48,862)
110(+4) Taylor Swift - august 383,003 (-43,895)
113(+11) PARTYNEXTDOOR - Break from Toronto 378,011 (-30,954)
116(+13) Peso Pluma, Jasiel Nuñez - LAGUNAS 378,011 (-24,162)
118(+27) Peso Pluma, Grupo Frontera - TULUM 375,550 (-4,405)
122(-37) NewJeans - GODS 364,807 (-117,518) (-24%)
124(-21) Olivia Rodrigo - the grudge 364,020 (-70,784)
125(-47) JENNIE - You & Me 361,699 (-143,174) (-28%)
127(+12) Rema, Selena Gomez - Calm Down 361,267 (-28,591)
134(+10) Laufey - From the Start 349,426 (-31,529)
141(+41) SUICIDAL-IDOL - ecstacy (slowed) 342,634 (-688) *NEW PEAK*
142(-12) Olivia Rodrigo - lacy 340,718 (-57,820)
143(+53) Sexyy Red - SkeeYee 339,078 (+4,848)
145(-12) Zach Bryan, The Lumineers - Spotless 337,016 (-56,469)
147(+2) TV Girl - Not Allowed 333,099 (-43,258)
150(-81) Junior H - Y LLORO 331,895 (-204,025) (-38%)
153(+21) Tyler Childers - All Your'n 325,794 (-23,039)
154(+45) KAROL G - MI EX TENÍA RAZÓN 325,660 (-7,373)
164(-13) Steve Lacy - Infrunami 320,313 (-52,965)
167(-9) The Weeknd, Playboi Carti, Madonna - Popular 318,873 (-46,218)
168(-6) Peso Pluma, Jasiel Nuñez, Junior H - BIPOLAR 318,126 (-42,648)
170(-20) Zach Bryan, Bon Iver - Boys of Faith 317,379 (-56,801)
173(+25) Carin Leon - Primera Cita 316,729 (-16,373)
174(+12) That Mexican OT, Paul Wall, DRODi - Johnny Dang 315,837 (-24,486)
177(-23) Richy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 314,542 (-56,466)
180(re-entry) Grupo Frontera, Grupo Firme - EL AMOR DE SU VIDA 313,218
181(+7) Zach Bryan - Revival 313,168 (-26,118)
182(-2) Tyler Childers - Feathered Indians 312,420 (-33,832)
192(+2) HARDY - TRUCK BED 305,584 (-29,032)
193(re-entry) Chris Stapleton - White Horse 305,564
194(+6) Rod Wave - Boyz Don't Cry 332,650 (-21,073)

US TOP 20 WITHOUT FOR ALL THE DOGS
#1. Paint the Town Red
#2. I Remember Everything
#3. fukumean
#4. greedy
#5. Cruel Summer
#6. Last Night
#7. My Love Mine All Mine
#8. vampire
#9. Something in the Orange
#10. I KNOW ?

#11. bad idea right?
#12. LADY GAGA
#13. Strangers
#14. QLONA
#15. Kill Bill
#16. Snooze
#17. Agora Hills
#18. MELTDOWN
#18. Ella Baila Sola
#20. Stick Season

[Enigma.]

All Drake tracks below 2m on Spotify already. PTTR climbed to #5.

[theycallmedualian]

Oct 8, 2023 23:23:34 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

The whole “general public” concept is funny, in particular when it comes to music nowadays because what even does it mean? Who is it referring to?

it showcases how silly and numbskulled the people who subscribe to this concept are, more than anything else. cus how removed you'd have to be from a normal social/societal setting to somehow not be consider a member of the general public? are they locked up prisons or psych wards? are they in an alternate space/realm where they cant interact with us earthlings but can still stream our music?

is some guy who went to work 9-5 and then hits the gym listening to a metal band with 50k daily spotify stream, is that metal band not being listened to by the 'gp' just because their numbers are low? is that man de-listed from the' general public' because the band he listens to is not popular?  this concept really gets funnier and funnier the more you think about it. but one thing for sure is that it's an indictment on the people who uses that word unironically, how detached you'd have to be to think in that way...

[theycallmedualian]

at this rate, there is a chance drake could see a dip even on monday... has that ever happened?

[musiclife]

At this rate I think he's only getting 7 maybe 6 in the top 10.

[peachorino]

Another day, another spreadsheet-powered number-crunching extravaganza.

Drake's "For All the Dogs" collected 22,488,816 Spotify streams on Sunday, dropping another -36.46% from Saturday - which is even worse than "Certified Lover Boy" (-35.47%) and also surprisingly "Honestly, Nevermind" (-35.64%).

For direction comparison:

Scorpion: 41,232,284 -31.97%
CLB: 29,357,790 -35.47%
H,NVM: 10,697,374 -35.64%
Her Loss: 22,106,052 -30.59%
FATD: 22,488,816 -36.46%


Still tracking very close to "Her Loss" plus change, which should put it somewhere around 185,000,000 - 215,000,000 streams for the first week. It really all depends on the Monday/Tuesday performance and if it can recover some ground on those days, or at least slow down the bleeding. 

[musiclife]

Double post.

[gs]

Oct 9, 2023 6:01:45 GMT -5 theycallmedualian said:

Oct 8, 2023 23:23:34 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

The whole “general public” concept is funny, in particular when it comes to music nowadays because what even does it mean? Who is it referring to?

it showcases how silly and numbskulled the people who subscribe to this concept are, more than anything else. cus how removed you'd have to be from a normal social/societal setting to somehow not be consider a member of the general public? are they locked up prisons or psych wards? are they in an alternate space/realm where they cant interact with us earthlings but can still stream our music?

is some guy who went to work 9-5 and then hits the gym listening to a metal band with 50k daily spotify stream, is that metal band not being listened to by the 'gp' just because their numbers are low? is that man de-listed from the' general public' because the band he listens to is not popular?  this concept really gets funnier and funnier the more you think about it. but one thing for sure is that it's an indictment on the people who uses that word unironically, how detached you'd have to be to think in that way...

Strange over-analysis of an intuitively obvious term. If you aren't the fan of an artist (superfan, casual, or otherwise), you are the "general public" for them. You'll only end up knowing their releases/hits/albums through promotion, word of mouth etc. The term applies to anything to differentiate specialized vs casual knowledge about something: in-group vs. out-group. The out-group only finds out about something through universal appeal usually.
It's not that deep. Drake had the GP in a chokehold during Views and Scorpion, it's pretty obvious what the difference is now... 

This album is dropping harder than anything else he's released, even worse than universally-panned 'Honestly, Nevermind'.

I don't even mean to imply anything deeper here either. His huge fanbase will carry him for a long time, and he can easily get back longevity and gp interest through higher quality releases with a longer break.