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Post by velmadinkley on Nov 4, 2023 7:38:34 GMT -5
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Post by enwhy on Nov 4, 2023 9:11:55 GMT -5
seems like it's big globally (esp in Asia) but not so much in the US. there's a sped up version that's big on tiktok. also anecdotal, but the Spotify algorithm has been pushing this hard on me the last couple weeks, so maybe a label push too |
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Post by firefox on Nov 4, 2023 9:52:26 GMT -5
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Post by leonagwen on Nov 4, 2023 10:53:47 GMT -5
The Beatles are challenging for a Hot 100 #1 on Mondays chart or 1 week from Monday?
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Post by notgoodenglish on Nov 4, 2023 11:22:47 GMT -5
that The Weeknd song is everywhere on tiktok haahaha eventually will go big on spotify
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Post by Envoirment on Nov 4, 2023 11:58:33 GMT -5
Numbers for The Beatles:
Up to #24 on US spotify with 779,296 streams
Up to #64 on Apple Music
Youtube video did 1,477,320 views first day in the US (2/11 - it didn't even have a full 24 hours) and is #1 on the daily youtube chart which counts for 2 days (1-2/11)! The video has exploded in views so it's likely it'll do big streams on youtube through the week (The music video + audio have done ~13 million views in the last 24 hours). That should help it quite a bit streaming-wise!
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Post by 85la on Nov 4, 2023 12:03:26 GMT -5
Interesting that there's such early predictions of it challenging for #1, but no indication of its sales? Given streaming and airplay wont be very big, it would have to be #1 overwhelmingly on sales, well over 100k copies.
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Post by Envoirment on Nov 4, 2023 12:41:29 GMT -5
Interesting that there's such early predictions of it challenging for #1, but no indication of its sales? Given streaming and airplay wont be very big, it would have to be #1 overwhelmingly on sales, well over 100k copies. In the UK they managed to sell ~6.7k in 12 hours via digital (iTunes/Amazon etc). If the US is somewhat similar and you add in their physical formats they will likely do 100k+ sales in the US. They have a CD single, a casette & 5 different vinyls on their shop. I'm assuming there's plenty of stock of each. |
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Post by badrobot on Nov 4, 2023 12:41:45 GMT -5
I’m truly shocked if The Beatles song is potentially in the top ten, let alone #1. Is there some major marketing push to sell physical singles or something?
The only similar resurgence I can think of for a legacy act having singles success is Elton John, and that took remixes and collaborations with major younger pop stars, and that success was reflected in streaming and airplay, not just sales.
Also anecdotally, I would have no idea there’s a new Beatles song if I wasn’t on this message board.
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Post by Ernesto on Nov 4, 2023 13:11:19 GMT -5
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Post by 85la on Nov 4, 2023 13:20:31 GMT -5
800+ points would be crazy if accurate! the physicals must be selling incredibly well wonder what the week 2 drop will be like
Ok wait there needs to be clarification as to what it means between "week 1" and "week 2." The song was released Thursday, Nov. 2, so its "first 12 hours" would count for last week's chart. That screenshot where it shows 250 points is clearly for this week's chart though (e.g. Is It Over Now dropping 1-5), so why are they saying 800 points and where the hell are they getting that number from? (800 points is 800k sales btw, so there's no way that's happening).
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 4, 2023 13:21:38 GMT -5
Ok wait there needs to be clarification as to what it means between "week 1" and "week 2." The song was released Thursday, Nov. 2, so its "first 12 hours" would count for last week's chart. That screenshot where it shows 250 points is clearly for this week's chart though (e.g. Is It Over Now dropping 1-5), so why are they saying 800 points and where the hell are they getting that number from? (800 points is 800k sales btw, so there's no way that's happening).
Considering the comment about not sharing TOTC subscriber stuff, I think the 800 points thing is a joke/trolling. Please note the "Please stop..." post was posted Friday afternoon, meaning those super early predictions were from before any sales totals for the 11/18 chart week could really be known. (That 800s points number being separate from whether or not The Beatles are challenging for #1. For all I know the song is challenging for #1, but likely not with a potential 800 points.) Anyway, come on Megan! |
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Post by 85la on Nov 4, 2023 13:24:58 GMT -5
Ok wait there needs to be clarification as to what it means between "week 1" and "week 2." The song was released Thursday, Nov. 2, so its "first 12 hours" would count for last week's chart. That screenshot where it shows 250 points is clearly for this week's chart though (e.g. Is It Over Now dropping 1-5), so why are they saying 800 points and where the hell are they getting that number from? (800 points is 800k sales btw, so there's no way that's happening).
Considering the comment about not sharing TOTC subscriber stuff, I think the 800 points thing is a joke/trolling. (That 800s points number being separate from whether or not The Beatles are challenging for #1.) Yeah I noticed that too, that must be the case! |
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Post by Acid Eyes on Nov 4, 2023 13:28:10 GMT -5
And the fact that TOTC hasn't posted any projections for next week yet - either we are getting trolled or the calculations are going to be truly bonkers.
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Post by avamaxstan on Nov 4, 2023 13:46:22 GMT -5
It would be fitting if Taylor were dethroned from #1 by The Beatles, who will likely be her only peer in all time chart dominance.
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Post by sheardbeard on Nov 4, 2023 13:46:55 GMT -5
Lip Predictions deleted the tweets about the Beatles’ points
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Nov 4, 2023 14:45:07 GMT -5
This week’s chart has so many confusions. Lol I’m sure the only concrete thing will be Taylor at #1. Someone is hyping The Beatles, but the evidence is no where to be found.
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 4, 2023 15:05:52 GMT -5
well, the sales have to be pretty high since they're #1 on itunes when you'd expect the bts farms to easily take that.
how high that is, no idea.
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Post by WolfSpear on Nov 4, 2023 17:08:35 GMT -5
I would love for The Beatles to score their 21st No.1 hit. So would I, but it's hard to say if they'll even make the top 10. Seems very crowded in that region especially with Taylor and Jung Kook now. I'll be happy if it lands in the top 40, but I'm totally with you. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 4, 2023 17:51:49 GMT -5
well, the sales have to be pretty high since they're #1 on itunes when you'd expect the bts farms to easily take that. how high that is, no idea. yea, I would agree. You would think all those Kook versions would be above anything else. |
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Post by velaxti on Nov 4, 2023 19:32:25 GMT -5
well, the sales have to be pretty high since they're #1 on itunes when you'd expect the bts farms to easily take that. how high that is, no idea. Yeah, I think that was the same way people figured that Jason Aldean had huge sales, if you're beating BTS on iTunes you have to be selling very well. The Beatles song will probably sell a lot in physicals, and also it got a lot of media coverage (I haven't listened to it yet, but apparently it's made with the aid of AI? So it will probably get some people curious). I'm shocked it's doing this well though, before I thought it would be in the bottom half of the Hot 100 for a week. And they released their "last single" before and it didn't do so well. |
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Post by Lukas on Nov 4, 2023 20:06:33 GMT -5
This week’s chart has so many confusions. Lol I’m sure the only concrete thing will be Taylor at #1. Someone is hyping The Beatles, but the evidence is no where to be found. Taylor at #1 is not "concrete" even if you assume none of the new releases this week are going to be close to #1. On the last tracking week (1989 TV week) Cruel Summer is already predicted to be below Paint The Town Red. There is nothing that suggests that Cruel Summer will fall less than Paint The Town Red (which is what needs to happen for it to reverse). The 1989 TV vault tracks will be dropping in streams enough to be well behind those two songs. And as for "evidence", The Beatles' song went #1 on US iTunes on basically the first update and even JungKook's lead single cannot dethrone it. So yes, it has massive sales. Thus, until its sales number gets leaked in some way (which will likely be midweek), it cannot be counted out of the race. |
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Post by Lukas on Nov 4, 2023 20:07:52 GMT -5
I would love for The Beatles to score their 21st No.1 hit. So would I, but it's hard to say if they'll even make the top 10. Seems very crowded in that region especially with Taylor and Jung Kook now. I'll be happy if it lands in the top 40, but I'm totally with you. The top 10 cutoff is going to be like 130 points, even assuming Jungkook makes it. The Beatles should easily clear that mark unless its sales numbers are weirdly low. |
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Post by WolfSpear on Nov 4, 2023 20:09:15 GMT -5
It's still a very different world than in 1995/1996...
"Real Love" went to #11 on the Hot 100 thanks to its sales; it never appeared on the Hot 100 Airplay. "Free As A Bird" hit the top 10, but barely made the Airplay chart at #60. "Now And Then" should have strong sales but will the streams be enough to propel in the top 10? Or give them that coveted #1 slot? No doubt they'll lack airplay, but the streaming can make up for it this time around.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Nov 4, 2023 20:37:32 GMT -5
The only set in stone placement is Snooze not in the race atp 💀. True beating BTS in sales is something but to what degree and will it be enough to close the streaming and airplay gap.
Cruel Summer and PTTR are only 1 point apart, let’s not pretend there’s no margin for error or it’s some insurmountable gap lol. Could go either way.
Is It Over Yet will obviously drop in streams and sales but I wouldn’t be shocked if Taylor has a MV or something ready to keep it at the top.
Lol this whole argument could be moot if The Beatles are selling like 300k
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 4, 2023 20:44:54 GMT -5
3d had 87k sales last month which was enough for #5 on the chart. so if beatles is selling around that much, that would be definitely surmountable.
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Post by Envoirment on Nov 5, 2023 0:01:32 GMT -5
The Beatles did 3,042,784 on youtube Friday for a total of 4,520,104 views between 2-3/11. The massive youtube streams will help to lift its streaming overall.
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Post by gs on Nov 5, 2023 0:14:28 GMT -5
Interesting that there's such early predictions of it challenging for #1, but no indication of its sales? Given streaming and airplay wont be very big, it would have to be #1 overwhelmingly on sales, well over 100k copies. In the UK they managed to sell ~6.7k in 12 hours via digital (iTunes/Amazon etc). If the US is somewhat similar and you add in their physical formats they will likely do 100k+ sales in the US. They have a CD single, a casette & 5 different vinyls on their shop. I'm assuming there's plenty of stock of each. So then it did ~25K in the US on Thursday, based on Easy On Me's ratio and a little bit of extra tracking (14h vs 10h?) or so... |
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Post by neel on Nov 5, 2023 0:33:11 GMT -5
TOTC tweeted this. now I really doubt this has anything to do with 'Now and Then', but if indeed does, then The Beatles could potentially have the largest sales week since "Hello".
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Post by gs on Nov 5, 2023 0:37:39 GMT -5
TOTC tweeted this. now I really doubt this has anything to do with 'Now and Then', but if indeed does, then The Beatles could potentially have the largest sales week since "Hello". Based on its UK sales and given sales are ultra frontloaded, then no, it'll end up with around ~50K digital sales for the full week. It wasted a lot of sales on Thursday. Wildcard of course is physical sales, but since they weren't US-focused idk if they'll be really huge enough (50K) for #1. |
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