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Post by pikandru on Apr 25, 2024 16:07:52 GMT -5
This is her best album, it's getting better and better with each listen. I think this is definitively the spiritual successor of Speak Now, the starkly candid and messy lyrics are a direct callback imo. I love this so much. I guess (on the last part, big disagree on best album)? I feel like the big difference is the quality sound SN also had is largely absent for me here.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 25, 2024 16:17:08 GMT -5
Ranking Taylor's albums again:
1. The Tortured Poets Department 2. Folklore 3. Midnights 4. Red 5. Lover 6. Reputation 7. 1989 8. Evermore 9. Speak Now 10. Fearless 11. Anthology/Part II of TTPD 12. Taylor Swift
Note: This ranking is based on the kind of sound/listening experience I enjoy most from Taylor combined with overall quality.
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Post by Forever Winter on Apr 25, 2024 16:23:36 GMT -5
All the think pieces, all the meltdowns, all the attacks, and for what?
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Post by 𝐂𝐎𝐂𝐎🍁 on Apr 25, 2024 16:56:08 GMT -5
Im not surprised at all people ( one or two) will defend a racist white man that has made numerous racist and ignorant comments cause he is tied to someone they like.
Taylor ain't do nothing wrong but it's disgusting that y'all will ARGUE with Lee a black man and lecture on what is and isn't problematic to him
Do better. What you defend usually reflect what you internally agree with and I'm leave it at that before I say too much.
ETA a good start would be less condescending posts and a simple "my bad I wasn't aware" before jumping into defending mode, maybe educate yourself first and stay silent on topics you don't know. It's really not that hard but always saying lots of words, making excuses and never once taking a iota of accountability..
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Apr 25, 2024 17:26:47 GMT -5
You get it. Most people don't. While I'm not going to call anyone stupid, it's still baffling to me that people living in 2024 don't understand that not being actively not racist equates to being racist. Dismissing Matty's actions as simply "laughing at racist jokes" and saying "HE CAN"T BE RACIST!!1! HE HAS BLACK FRIENDS/DATED A (HALF) BLACK WOMAN!!!1!" is incredibly myopic and tone deaf. Also, let's not act like that is all the man has done. Talking openly about watching adult films in which Black women are demoralized and degraded is not a good look either. Of course, Swifties will be quick to claim selective ignorance regarding certain details of her life and the lives of the men she dates, but hawk-eyed when it comes to everything else about her, LOL. Anyway, I have never met the man, so I cannot speak to any of his thoughts on my race. but I can judge his actions and at the very least, they are extremely racially insensitive and I am glad Taylor has moved on from him. Yeah let's go ahead and cut the passive aggressive digs and just be forward as a grown man if you have something to say directly. I hate passive aggressive bulls**t. And this behavior from a moderator of all people. Jesus. Since you referenced me saying how he "laughed at someone's inappropriate jokes" and somehow that makes me problematic, before you start welding your sledgehammer of judgement and labels around you need to be crystal clear on what you're even speaking about and not just be pulling assumptions out of your behind. I have made it a point to ask multiple times before in this very thread about Matty and what had done that was racist. The last TO YOU specifically! Instead here you are, as opposed to using my question as a possibility to inform, you ignored me to only then condemn. A few people were quick to call him out and stand against him, but no one specified or qualified exactly why. I looked "Matty Healy racist" up myself after your post and the article said something about him dm'ing Ice Spice and literally said he was laughing at two other guys who were doing "Chinese impressions" or something to that affect on some podcast or something. I said "ah, he laughed at someone else's racist remarks" after asking what he did that was racist as in "ah, I get what he did that was racist". You didn't see a question mark after that or me making excuses for him. I don't care what you believe or don't believe. There is only the truth. Not all of us know every detail of her dating life. I literally just started diving into it with TTPD to understand these songs better. I haven't personally followed Matty or his group or his history AT ALL beyond knowing that he and Taylor had an off and on relationship between 1989 (which I just found out since TTPD) and now that he pursued and wrote a song about her, and he lured her in to a relationship to just drop her after Joe. I never followed this man's career because I had NO interest in him and still don't. I am "hawk-eyed" with Taylor, not the men she dates and therein lies the difference. You make these vast, dangerous, swooping judgements not having the slightest of the facts but only working on emotion and your own (awful) assumptions. Now you can sit that empty, loaded accusational sh** with me at the door. I was just repeating what I read in an article. One thing I can't stand is people putting words or sentiments in my mouth I've never uttered, thought, or said and the rush to judgemnt and label is insane. Are you Taylor's bodyguard or do you have some special vested financial interests in her because she doesn't need you or other fans to defend her choice of men and whatnot? This is a bit much.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 25, 2024 17:45:22 GMT -5
Are you Taylor's bodyguard or do you have some special vested financial interests in her because she doesn't need you or other fans to defend her choice of men and whatnot? This is a bit much. Literally what are you even talking about? First and foremost, you're not gonna tell me how I should and shouldn't feel or should or shouldn't respond to being labeled and misrepresented in a damaging way. Especially when I did nothing to cause it. That's first and foremost. Furthermore, I wasn't even defending him or her choice of men? Like genuinely your reply makes no sense. The only thing I said in reference to her relationships was they were her own choice and her own choice alone. Because, they are. Never defended Matty. Never defended any man she was with. ;) Im not surprised at all people ( one or two) will defend a racist white man that has made numerous racist and ignorant comments cause he is tied to someone they like. I'm not surprised you, who agreed we would steer clear of eachother, you who said she would leave me alone, is subbing me, and referencing me here, YET AGAIN with shade, when you know we don't get along. That's neither her nor there tho. Cause I'm just not about to play into this bs like you're in any way unbiased in this. SHOW ME WHERE I DEFENDED MATTY. SHOW ME. PLEASE. POINT IT OUT. The fact that MULTIPLE people on this forum are trying to insinuate I am racist or a racist apologist because I said "Ah, he laughed at someone else's racist remarks", after ASKING HOW he was racist first and foremost, effectively understanding the situation at hand, not defending it, not questioning it, not even knowing about it until it was pointed out, is absurdity at it's finest and just further proof of this hyper-sensitive era we're living in. Some are thirstingg so hard to call out problems they're literally creating them and it's pathetic.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 25, 2024 18:00:24 GMT -5
Can you please consolidate these two posts? Thank you.
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Post by 𝐂𝐎𝐂𝐎🍁 on Apr 25, 2024 18:17:00 GMT -5
White fragility is scary thing to witness firsthand it's like watching a narcissistic person refuse to accept responsibility for their own words, positions and actions and then point the finger. Scary. When I get paid the salary a teacher gets paid then I'll spend my free time educating the ignorant. I don't get paid for this. Argue with your damn self.
"Some are thirstingg so hard to call out problems they're literally creating them and it's pathetic"
You know the type of people who say this to minorities and LGBTQ and trans people are Republicans and Maga. Please do better.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 25, 2024 18:21:21 GMT -5
No! It's good! Though I agree with whoever it was that somewhere sometime said Florence is too low in the mix. I'm not sure if Jack knew how to work with her vocals. And it makes me wonder now, has he ever worked with a stronger vocalist as producer before? Jack produced half of Florence's last album. Ooh. Where have I even been then 🫠
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 25, 2024 18:22:16 GMT -5
I was being kind in my earlier response and your response proves my post. The post where you were insinuating I was a racist apologist was being nice? You really have yourself believing you're some saintly person huh? The same one who cursed me out our last interaction. So level-headed. I enjoy when you willfully misrepresent what I said and twist my statement. I never said it was "hyper-sensitive" for a minority (as I should know as a minority) to tell me to educate myself. That was NEVER said to me. AT ALL. I had no idea of Matty's "racist" past and was genuinely asking and was ignored. So, I rightfully took it upon MYSELF to look it up and I did and understood. That was it. What I said was "hyper-sensitive" were people clamoring, looking, for racism or racist rhetoric in words that had ABSOLUTELY NONE. It's the ERA we're in, after all. THAT is when things are "hyper-sensitive". That's rich considering you literally are the one ALWAYS subbing me, or quoting me, or referring to me in our interactions. If you could for ONCE in your LIFE leave me out of your thoughts and vocabulary we wouldn't even have this interaction. I could not care less what YOUR of all people on this forum's opinion of me is. I will ALWAYS defend my character when it's being misinterpretd or misrepresented. I don't care who likes or doesn't like it and trust you me I know a few of you personally who just wait on opportunities to tear into me in one way or the other. You can call me a narcissist, a racist, a whatever you wanna hurl. I know what I did and didn't say and do. It's all right there. I know who I am and who I'm not. And I'm surely not gonna allow the likes of you to determine how I feel or think about myself.
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Post by 𝐂𝐎𝐂𝐎🍁 on Apr 25, 2024 18:29:15 GMT -5
You're absolutely ridiculous and sound silly and that again me being nice. What a imagination you have where you are constantly the victim while saying everyone else is hypersensitive. I wish to live in that world 🌎
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 25, 2024 18:32:11 GMT -5
Alright, we aren't trying to get this thread locked, so let's officially move on and back to the album. This thread is definitely not the place where minorities need to perform educational services.
But, Daddy I Love Him really clicked with me. I never really believe the subjects of Taylor's songs are legit, unless they're about Kim or Kanye, so I ignore the potential messiness and just focus on the way it's produced and her conviction and delivery.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 25, 2024 18:34:27 GMT -5
Yes it's easy to attack me and demonize me for merely calling out how absolutely ridiculous you were for defending Matt Healy then saying " oh I'm just now reading up on him" Again, as always, willfully misrepresenting what I said. I already asked once for you to show me where I defended Matty. You've failed to do so. The ONLY thing I have defended is Taylor's right to choose her own partner. That's it. Never defended Matty at all. But, you know that. :) Did you even READ the interaction? I wasn't passive aggressive I was DIRECT. I wasn't the one throwing subliminals without names making harmful accusations about someone I don't even know. I never told Lee how he should feel. Like what are you even going on about? I was defending my OWN character and what I did and absolutely DID NOT do. This is crazy. What is silly is YOU subbing me, you jumping into a conversation and speaking about me, quoting me, and then telling me to "leave you alone". Sounds about right. lol Yeah agreed. This NEVER should have been a discussion to begin with at least like this. Back to Taylor..
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 25, 2024 18:36:54 GMT -5
Please do not insist on getting the last word when I already stated that particular thread of the conversation was over. Everyone has made their points.
Edit: AYYYY even FLorida!!! is hittin'. Maybe because I am drinking this Delta 9 drink at my friend's brewery, LOL.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 25, 2024 18:39:47 GMT -5
Anyway! Here's hoping for 2.6 milli and a full top 10 in a few days God willing!
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 25, 2024 18:44:43 GMT -5
Come together over Taylor's economy boosting sales, yesssssss.
Guilty As Sin has such a nostalgic vibe to it. Where does she find the time to make albums like this?
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Post by austin on Apr 25, 2024 18:57:10 GMT -5
She’s posting rehearsal vids.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 25, 2024 19:00:13 GMT -5
She’s posting rehearsal vids. Ohhhhhh. I'm still curious as to what the 5/3 surprise is!
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Post by thezatch on Apr 25, 2024 19:22:41 GMT -5
TTPD (Zatch's Version):
Given the amount of tracks on the Anthology version, I wanted to sit and absorb this as much as I could during release week before making a final (personal) ranking of where this sits in her discography to me.
1. 1989 2. folklore 3. reputation 4. TTPD: The Anthology 5. evermore 6. Lover 7. Midnights 8. Red 9. Fearless 10. Speak Now 11. Debut
Bear in mind, I did not become a causal fan until 1989, and full-blown Swiftie until The Eras Tour started, hence the lower ranking for her earlier albums. Had I grown up with them, they probably would have ranked higher.
TTPD highlights: - ICDIWABH - TTPD - Fortnight - Down Bad - loml - But Daddy I Love Him - The Black Dog - So High School - The Manuscript - imgonnagetyouback
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 25, 2024 19:52:38 GMT -5
So tell me everything is not about me But what if it is? Then say they didn't do it to hurt me But what if they did?
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Apr 25, 2024 20:08:05 GMT -5
So tell me everything is not about me But what if it is? Then say they didn't do it to hurt me But what if they did? it isn't talked about enough how epic the song is. 10/10. I can totally hear it in some trailer or TV show.
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Post by Grün on Apr 25, 2024 21:18:12 GMT -5
1:Folklore 2:The Tortured Poets Department (Full) 3. 1989 4. Red 5. Midnights (Full) 6. Evermore 7. Lover 8. Reputation 9. Speak Now 10. Fearless 11. Taylor Swift
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 25, 2024 21:34:33 GMT -5
01. TTPD 02. evermore 03. folklore 04. Lover (I think Red is better but Lover is super nostalgic for me) 05. Red (TV) 06. Midnights 07. Speak Now(TV) 08. 1989 (TV) 09. reputation 10. Fearless (TV) 11. Debut
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Post by bat1990 on Apr 25, 2024 23:50:45 GMT -5
Coming tomorrow - Noon EDT
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Post by surfy on Apr 26, 2024 0:19:43 GMT -5
if i had to rank right now:
01. folklore 02. Fearless (TV) 03. Red (TV) 04. reputation 05. 1989 (TV) 06. Speak Now (TV) 07. evermore 08. Midnights 09. The Tortured Poets Department 10. Lover 11. Debut
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 26, 2024 0:26:16 GMT -5
TRUTH. DARE. SPIN. BOTTLES. YOU KNOW HOW TO BALL I KNOW ARISTOTLE
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Post by Acid Eyes on Apr 26, 2024 0:49:22 GMT -5
I tried to see what creative playlists the Reddit Swifties came up with, but they aren't giving me anything to work with lol. Feel free to post yours there if you'd like.
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Post by suburbandreams on Apr 26, 2024 1:43:53 GMT -5
She’s posting rehearsal vids. New choreo with the dancers wearing top hats in the video so we are getting a ttpd section.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 26, 2024 2:02:55 GMT -5
Oh my goodness this is so ridiculously difficult:
01.) The Tortured Poets Department 02.) Evermore 03.) Folklore 04.) Red (TV) 05.) 1989 (TV) 06.) Speak Now (TV) 07.) Lover 08.) Reputation 09.) Midnights 10.) Fearless (TV) 11.) Taylor Swift
I think? lol
Best vault songs (top 2 per era, then overall)
- "Mr. Perfectly Fine" (that's it lol) - "Nothing New" - "Message In A Bottle" - "Castles Crumbling" (that's it lol) - "Now That We Don't Talk" - "Say Don't Go"
1.) "Nothing New" 2.) "Castles Crumbling" 3.) "Say Don't Go" 4.) "Message In A Bottle" 5.) "Now That We Don't Talk" 6.) "Mr. Perfectly Fine"
Man I hope the Rep and TS TV's vault songs are Red quality vault songs!
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 26, 2024 2:20:14 GMT -5
Taylor blocks out the ARIA top 10 this week; this is the first time in Australian chart history an artist has accomplished this. Sam/Kim's 'Unholy' prevented her from achieving this with 'Midnights' back in 2022.
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