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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 9, 2024 12:19:51 GMT -5
If Week 13 is when she pulls out The Anthology onto CD/vinyl, I think she might have enough gas to block Eminem. The Swifties have been CLAMORING for physicals of that half of the album. I think another great idea, if she wants to break the overall record and go to Week 14, would be an acoustic re-release. Down Bad acoustic? You Want to kill Me? :)
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Jul 9, 2024 12:25:22 GMT -5
If Week 13 is when she pulls out The Anthology onto CD/vinyl, I think she might have enough gas to block Eminem. The Swifties have been CLAMORING for physicals of that half of the album. I think another great idea, if she wants to break the overall record and go to Week 14, would be an acoustic re-release. Give us the Long Pond Studio Sessions. She probably only recorded like two songs there though she wrote and recorded TTPD all over the world due to the Eras Tour, but an album/movie of those studio sessions ala folklore would be a big sell as well.
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Post by bat1990 on Jul 9, 2024 12:29:42 GMT -5
Down Bad acoustic? You Want to kill Me? :) I like this one way more than the album version! EDIT: Here is TTPD (Ben's Version) 1 Fortnight (1.25 speed) 2 Down Bad (acoustic) 3 So Long, London 4 But Daddy I Love Him 5 Fresh Out the Slammer 6 Florida!!! 7 Guilty as Sin? 8 Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? 9 I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can) 10 I Can Do It with a Broken Heart 11 The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived 12 The Alchemy 13 Clara Bow 14 The Black Dog 15 The Albatross 16 So High School 17 I Hate It Here 18 Thank You Aimee 19 I Look in People's Windows 20 The Manuscript
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Post by Max_X5 on Jul 9, 2024 13:08:04 GMT -5
Do we think she'll ever actually release THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT: THE ANTHOLOGY on CD? I hope so but at the same time she never released all of the songs from Midnights on the same CD so who's knows. I think so! It would shift too many units and be too beneficial not to have in physical. Meanwhile, I don't know why people keep comparing The Anthology to Midnights 3am or whatever version. One is a collective few songs used as a deluxe edition of the original album and one is one half of the actual original album. Taylor has stated Tortured Poets is a double album many times now, but people still treat the 2nd half like a collection of "bonus" songs. I get its release was staggerd, but that doesn't negate the fact Tortured Poets is a 31 track album/collection of songs. lol This isn't directed at you specifically, more generally speaking on something I've seen a lot. Can you name a single other legitimate double album (such as Back To Basics) where you can purchase, or in this case even stream, only one half of it? I can't, and that's why I think it's obvious that Taylor calling this a "double album" is purely a marketing gimmick. I feel like if this was a genuine double album, you could only find it as both parts. (Happy to be proven wrong here!)
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 9, 2024 13:27:51 GMT -5
Can you name a single other legitimate double album (such as Back To Basics) where you can purchase, or in this case even stream, only one half of it? I can't, and that's why I think it's obvious that Taylor calling this a "double album" is purely a marketing gimmick. I feel like if this was a genuine double album, you could only find it as both parts. (Happy to be proven wrong here!) Whether or not it has been done before is inconsequential. The art belongs to the artist and if this artist has said TTPD is a double album, and was hinting at this long before it was released (meaning it was always the plan), I believe and respect her vision. It's not up to other people to decide whether or not it qualifies as such and people treating it in any other way then she intended is disrespectful IMO. She clearly didn't want half the album being treated as "bonus songs" or she would have made that known differently (not as if she hasn't released bonus tracks or deluxe editions before). She knows what she is doing and I respect her vision for her own work. Also, both halves are on streaming...
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Post by adamalterlago on Jul 9, 2024 14:52:19 GMT -5
Lets be honest here. She's saving the physical release of The Anthology to drive sales and break a record which is smart. I agree with whoever said she might release it soon as she gets closer to breaking the record.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 9, 2024 15:00:56 GMT -5
It’s not disrespectful to consider the other songs bonus songs if they are treated as such by the artist regardless of what she says. If the album is a “double album” it’ll be made available as such. Until it is, the digital-only songs are all bonus, as is the case for any song by an any artist that’s released in a limited format in comparison to the rest of the album. A case could be made if the entire album was digital-only but that’s not the case here. The album is available in at least 38 versions and not a single one of those contains any of the 11 (?) songs yet to be featured on a physical copies. Comparing that to every other situation involving bonus/deluxe/limited edition tracks, if it quacks, it’s a duck.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 9, 2024 15:26:00 GMT -5
It’s not disrespectful to consider the other songs bonus songs if they are treated as such by the artist regardless of what she says. Well we're going to just *completely disagree* on this topic. Just because Taylor hasn't released the full album physically doesn't mean she hasn't treated it as a double album. I'm not speaking technicalities of the industry here, but her artistic vision and the way she wants this album to be perceived/digested (which is as one total, collective 31 track body of work). All tracks are available to stream. She has performed tracks from both on tour, including one track from the second half on the main setlist. Easter eggs and hints alluding to songs from both "sides" were released simultaneously prior to its debut. She has never once referred to any song on the second half as "bonus" or "deluxe" versions like you and some others insinuate they are. She has made it very clear how she views this release and given she's the one who penned the material and crafted the era, I respect her vision. How you or anyone is going to tell her which of the 31 songs she wrote for this album are an actual part of The Tortured Poets Department is beyond me, but have at it. I'm personally not looking to any random forum member to dictate what constitutes this album, when the artist herself has already made it perfectly clear. Anyone's feelings aside her own are inconsequential to me in relation to her artistry and material.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 9, 2024 20:33:52 GMT -5
Actions speak louder than words. If she truly views the second half as part of the double album, she'll effectively treat it as such by making it available as equally as the first half. Until then, they're bonus/deluxe/special edition tracks. Doesn't take away from how good they are or how much I enjoy them or anything like that. But like their counterparts before them (Midnights 3am tracks, etc), if they're not part of the album's complete package everywhere, they're not part of the main album.
I'm also okay to agree to disagree. I'm not trying to change your mind.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 9, 2024 20:42:48 GMT -5
Until then, they're bonus/deluxe/special edition tracks. In your estimation they are. :) No one but the artist could. :) Glad you agree to disagree like I stated previously.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 9, 2024 20:50:26 GMT -5
Until then, they're bonus/deluxe/special edition tracks. In your estimation they are. :) And in your estimation they aren't. :) See? This was a fine discussion.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 9, 2024 20:52:28 GMT -5
In your estimation they are. :) And in your estimation they aren't. :) My opinion is just what the artist said. lol So it would be in her estimation they are actually. I'm just agreeing and respecting her on her feelings. :)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 9, 2024 20:58:00 GMT -5
And in your estimation they aren't. :) My opinion is just what the artist said. lol So it would be in her estimation they are actually. I'm just agreeing and respecting her on her feelings. :) Okay. And my opinion is based on every other situation where standards have already been set. Nothing wrong with her bending the rules to suit her vision. She's done it before. But it will understandably take time to get buy-in from everyone who may not agree with the concept in this case. It's really not a big deal. I promise I'm not hating on her in any way because of it. :)
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 9, 2024 21:00:57 GMT -5
I promise I'm not hating on her in any way because of it. :) Can we not with the patronizing? I am a grown woman. I didn't say you were "hating on her" nor did I ever allude to you "hating on her" and I don't appreciate the implication including that unnecessary sentence. This will be my last comment to you in this discussion.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 9, 2024 21:03:17 GMT -5
I promise I'm not hating on her in any way because of it. :) Can we not with the patronizing? I am a grown woman. I didn't say you were "hating on her" nor did I ever allude to you "hating on her" and I don't appreciate the implication including that unnecessary sentence. This will be my last comment to you in this discussion. Oh. I legit thought this entire discussion after we both stated being okay to agree to disagree was us being patronizing to each other. Did I misread the smiley faces?
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Post by clsvltn on Jul 9, 2024 21:19:25 GMT -5
Lets be honest here. She's saving the physical release of The Anthology to drive sales and break a record which is smart. I agree with whoever said she might release it soon as she gets closer to breaking the record. Well, the time for that is this week because Eminem is estimated by HDD to be doing 350,000 total units SPS. So she is going to lose the streak now
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Post by Mike on Jul 9, 2024 21:41:39 GMT -5
I mean if she releases Reputation TV she will dethrone herself and break the record no?
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Jul 10, 2024 8:18:38 GMT -5
I mean if she releases Reputation TV she will dethrone herself and break the record no? I mean, I’m sure that’s something nobody has ever done before, and if anyone would achieve a feat like that at this point, it’s Taylor Swift. But we’re talking about the record for having the album with the most consecutive weeks at its #1 debut. Whitney Houston’s album Whitney and TTPD are the only two female albums with 11 consecutive weeks there, and if Taylor stays on for Week 12, she’s breaking Whitney’s record. Taylor would also be tying with Morgan Wallen for having the overall second-most consecutive weeks at a #1 debut in history. The all-time record for the album with the most consecutive weeks at its #1 debut belongs to Stevie Wonder, with 13 weeks. If Taylor wants to get to Week 14, she has to get through Week 13 first and block Eminem somehow, who is apparently already estimated to be selling 350k first week. The Anthology being released on physical formats (i.e. the entire 31-track album) seems to be the best bet at blocking him.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 10, 2024 8:56:19 GMT -5
Can you name a single other legitimate double album (such as Back To Basics) where you can purchase, or in this case even stream, only one half of it? I can't, and that's why I think it's obvious that Taylor calling this a "double album" is purely a marketing gimmick. I feel like if this was a genuine double album, you could only find it as both parts. (Happy to be proven wrong here!) Whether or not it has been done before is inconsequential. The art belongs to the artist and if this artist has said TTPD is a double album, and was hinting at this long before it was released (meaning it was always the plan), I believe and respect her vision. It's not up to other people to decide whether or not it qualifies as such and people treating it in any other way then she intended is disrespectful IMO. She clearly didn't want half the album being treated as "bonus songs" or she would have made that known differently (not as if she hasn't released bonus tracks or deluxe editions before). She knows what she is doing and I respect her vision for her own work. Also, both halves are on streaming... I'm sorry but it really isn't that deep. That's like saying "if Taylor wants Shake It Off to be a country song it is, we have to respect her vision". Where is the link to it officially being reffered to as a double album? Not sure where the hints pre-release were either of a double album. People only suspected that because of Midnights having the 3am version
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Post by andrebra on Jul 10, 2024 10:15:19 GMT -5
Whether or not it has been done before is inconsequential. The art belongs to the artist and if this artist has said TTPD is a double album, and was hinting at this long before it was released (meaning it was always the plan), I believe and respect her vision. It's not up to other people to decide whether or not it qualifies as such and people treating it in any other way then she intended is disrespectful IMO. She clearly didn't want half the album being treated as "bonus songs" or she would have made that known differently (not as if she hasn't released bonus tracks or deluxe editions before). She knows what she is doing and I respect her vision for her own work. Also, both halves are on streaming... I'm sorry but it really isn't that deep. That's like saying "if Taylor wants Shake It Off to be a country song it is, we have to respect her vision". Where is the link to it officially being reffered to as a double album? Not sure where the hints pre-release were either of a double album. People only suspected that because of Midnights having the 3am version I mean, her post announcing the Anthology calls it a “secret DOUBLE album”
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 10, 2024 10:36:25 GMT -5
I'm sorry but it really isn't that deep. That's like saying "if Taylor wants Shake It Off to be a country song it is, we have to respect her vision". Where is the link to it officially being reffered to as a double album? Not sure where the hints pre-release were either of a double album. People only suspected that because of Midnights having the 3am version I mean, her post announcing the Anthology calls it a “secret DOUBLE album” That's fair enough, and she calls is the second installment. Was just curious
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 10, 2024 14:32:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry but it really isn't that deep. That's like saying "if Taylor wants Shake It Off to be a country song it is, we have to respect her vision". Where is the link to it officially being reffered to as a double album? Not sure where the hints pre-release were either of a double album. People only suspected that because of Midnights having the 3am version I mean, her post announcing the Anthology calls it a “secret DOUBLE album” Was about to link and you said it for me! Thanks! Not sure where the hints pre-release were either of a double album. Well one of them was her at the Grammys announcement and other places prior to the album's drop holding up 2 fingers hinting at a double album that many many fans picked up on and were circulating. Anotrher was a pop-up shop that had clues, as well as lyrics that were posted prior to release, both of which alluded to songs from both sections of the album...
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Post by gomichaelgo on Jul 10, 2024 18:18:21 GMT -5
I mean, her post announcing the Anthology calls it a “secret DOUBLE album” Was about to link and you said it for me! Thanks! Not sure where the hints pre-release were either of a double album. Well one of them was her at the Grammys announcement and other places prior to the album's drop holding up 2 fingers hinting at a double album that many many fans picked up on and were circulating. Another was a pop-up shop that had clues, as well as lyrics that were posted prior to release, both of which alluded to songs from both sections of the album... I thought the 2 fingers held was related to the time of the second group on songs from the album coming at two am that night?
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 10, 2024 18:27:59 GMT -5
I thought the 2 fingers held was related to the time of the second group on songs from the album coming at two am that night? I could see how you might interpret it that way (theoretically it works for both), but to me and a lot of other fans all signs were pointing toward it alluding to a double album. And if you look at her announcement post of TTPD being a double album, you'll see she used the two finger sign (the same peace sign she used at the Grammy's) again immediately following the words "DOUBLE album" (notice she could have easily put it after she said 2am, but she didn't): https://www.instagram.com/p/C57qcCPucLV
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 11, 2024 18:43:50 GMT -5
*pretends to be shocked*
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 11, 2024 19:12:53 GMT -5
I am CHECKING for that "How Did It End" live! That performance was beautiful!
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Post by balletgirlmom on Jul 12, 2024 9:14:56 GMT -5
I was in a Target, and it felt like 90% of the CDs and Vinyl were TTPD. If not TTPD, it was all Lover and her other things and of course Michael Jackson's Thriller. Not kidding, the majority of the music for sale was all Taylor.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 12, 2024 10:00:58 GMT -5
I was in a Target, and it felt like 90% of the CDs and Vinyl were TTPD. If not TTPD, it was all Lover and her other things and of course Michael Jackson's Thriller. Not kidding, the majority of the music for sale was all Taylor. Most record stores I go to have Taylor's discography prominently displayed. I think it's more of the power of her brand and her selling power rather than the implication that stores have too much Taylor stock they're trying to get rid of (like with Adele's 30 lol). Personally, I find it refreshing that a space often restricted to rock/indie/classic fans has embraced Taylor and pop music in general (as long as they are embracing the music and not only Taylor because she's a reliable seller). My local favourite record store has been huge in embracing pop in recent years and as a result, they have a much larger following. Meanwhile, another record shop that's located just a few blocks from me seems to carry Taylor reluctantly. There's always been a too cool for school vibe with that shop, likely why I've only ever been there twice.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Jul 12, 2024 10:52:29 GMT -5
I was in a Target, and it felt like 90% of the CDs and Vinyl were TTPD. If not TTPD, it was all Lover and her other things and of course Michael Jackson's Thriller. Not kidding, the majority of the music for sale was all Taylor. It’s like this at my Target. Across nearly every nook and cranny of the music section, you’ll find Taylor. TTPD, Lover, folklore, Red TV, Speak Now TV on vinyl, 1989 TV CD. Aside from her, you have mostly Target exclusive CDs from the last couple years. I agree with the notion that it has to do with her brand and the selling power it has. Taylor Swift™️ is quite literally a media conglomerate at this point.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 12, 2024 13:46:59 GMT -5
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