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Post by clsvltn on Apr 19, 2024 9:02:15 GMT -5
I feel like 2 million is a lock right now... I'm thinking 2.4 million if I had to guess but would love to be wrong and it to be higher. Either way, she is on top of the world.
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Post by Push The Button on Apr 19, 2024 9:21:33 GMT -5
Yah, never underestimate the power of Swift and the Swifties. On a related matter, she really hasn't had a lengthy break from releasing music, has she? Whether all-new, re-recordings with newly available material, etc. Even though she's not giving the public much of a chance to mss her, she still commands mass dedication when it comes to her releases. She made a comment on one of those Netflix documentaries that she is well aware of how the music industry ages women out of relevancy, so sheβs going to do everything she can before she hits that mark.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Apr 19, 2024 9:25:00 GMT -5
Weren't her physical pre-sales well over a million? Thought I read that somewhere, but correct me if I'm wrong. If that's the case, two million is the floor.
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Post by fridayteenage on Apr 19, 2024 11:22:11 GMT -5
31 songs of Taylor Swift doing very Taylor Swifty songs is just WAY overkill at this point. I don't understand why her management didn't warn of oversaturation. Obviously this opening is gonna be humungously massive, but I have a feeling that this right here is the breaking point. I like Taylor Swift very much, but she does tend to write very similar sounding melodies over the same 4-chord progressions she's used a billion times already and the sheer amount of material she has put out since the "career relaunch" of Folklore/Evermore is just stupefying. I honestly hope that I am wrong, but I get the same feeling I got with Lady Gaga during the Born This Way era. 2024 could likely be the year that the second wave Taylor backlash begins (if we regard the Reputation/Lover era as the first wave backlash). I mean, doesn't Gaga only have one album with a 400k week? Taylor has, let's say, a few more than that.
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Post by Choco on Apr 19, 2024 11:30:55 GMT -5
It's not been a steady climb though. Reputation, Lover and evermore all initially performed like slight declines from previous projects. To act like she'll defy gravity forever is delusional. But I think the obituaries are way too quick. 31 tracks, even if on average they do less than the Midnights songs on streaming, still would yield a career best opening.
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Post by BlueSwan on Apr 19, 2024 11:36:10 GMT -5
31 songs of Taylor Swift doing very Taylor Swifty songs is just WAY overkill at this point. I don't understand why her management didn't warn of oversaturation. Obviously this opening is gonna be humungously massive, but I have a feeling that this right here is the breaking point. I like Taylor Swift very much, but she does tend to write very similar sounding melodies over the same 4-chord progressions she's used a billion times already and the sheer amount of material she has put out since the "career relaunch" of Folklore/Evermore is just stupefying. I honestly hope that I am wrong, but I get the same feeling I got with Lady Gaga during the Born This Way era. 2024 could likely be the year that the second wave Taylor backlash begins (if we regard the Reputation/Lover era as the first wave backlash). I mean, doesn't Gaga only have one album with a 400k week? Taylor has, let's say, a few more than that. Yeah, but despite Taylor being massive for a very long time, she never really felt overexposed like she does now, and indeed like Gaga did in 2009-2011.
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Post by BlueSwan on Apr 19, 2024 11:37:15 GMT -5
It's not been a steady climb though. Reputation, Lover and evermore all initially performed like slight declines from previous projects. To act like she'll defy gravity forever is delusional. But I think the obituaries are way too quick. 31 tracks, even if on average they do less than the Midnights songs on streaming, still would yield a career best opening. I don't think many people are saying that the opening won't be absolutely massive. I think some of us are saying that she is running the risk of people get fed up with her very very soon.
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Post by WolfSpear on Apr 19, 2024 11:38:06 GMT -5
Well, at least weβre not waiting another 2 years for a new album. Thatβs a whole of music in a short time though. Hopefully it lives up to the hypeβ¦
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2024 11:39:04 GMT -5
I mean, doesn't Gaga only have one album with a 400k week? Taylor has, let's say, a few more than that. Yeah, but despite Taylor being massive for a very long time, she never really felt overexposed like she does now, and indeed like Gaga did in 2009-2011. Feelings in this case are irrelevant tho. No offense She gained 800k followers on Spotify in the last seven days. That's 800k humans pressing follow on Spotify. She's okay
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Post by fridayteenage on Apr 19, 2024 11:40:05 GMT -5
I mean, a big point of reputation was reacting to a sentiment that she was overexposed.
No one saw me for a year, and such.
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Post by WolfSpear on Apr 19, 2024 11:55:45 GMT -5
Pretty sure the only other acts to clear to 2M are still *NSYNC and Adele. Whatβs remarkable here is sheβs had a number of albums under her belt; the other two were building off the success of a massive recordβ¦ well Adele at least. *NSYNCβs debut was highly successful too, but βNo Strings Attachedβ exceeded those expectations and then the rest is history. Unlike those two, Taylor isnβt a passing phase but an enduring machine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2024 12:29:04 GMT -5
So just to be clearβ¦ double albums only get certified twice but actual sales are still whatβs reported for them? So like if she sells 2m, itβs not gonna be reported as having sold β4mβ right? Because that would be some total BS for the Adele record.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2024 12:34:59 GMT -5
Sometimes going on a hiatus actually hurts an artist though. I think regularly releasing music keeps fans coming back for more, instead of having them venture off and exploring other artists/fanbases. 25: 3.4 mil 30: 0.7 mil What a disaster that drop really was honestly. What makes it so bad is that EOM was a massive smash ahead of release just like Hello was. So there was really no excuse for falling off a cliff like that. Tons of her huge audience interested in her between 2011-2015 obviously simply did just move on with the gap. I really donβt understand why the label forced her to sit on the album for 18 months when plenty of other high profile artists released and found success in 2020. Music was one of the easiest things that still could be huge during the pandemic. I think every bit of that extra year and a half wait shaved more sales off for her. It had already been too long as it was.
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Post by Choco on Apr 19, 2024 13:03:57 GMT -5
Adele's number was fine. It's the fact they did not promote it much afterwards so the overall number dropped even more from her previous projects that made it kind of a bad era for her.
Calling Adele a passing phase is a choice lmao.
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Post by π Eloquent β’ on Apr 19, 2024 13:09:14 GMT -5
Adele's number was fine. It's the fact they did not promote it much afterwards so the overall number dropped even more from her previous projects that made it kind of a bad era for her. Calling Adele a passing phase is a choice lmao. How do you label a 3.4 million to .7 million "fine" for Adele and Rep (that opened with 1.23 milli) a "decline"? Just curious, because if Rep was a decline in your eyes for a few hundred thousand copies (which it would be, agreed), how is a near 3 million dip "fine"? That's far more then a slight decline. lol
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Post by Angel on Apr 19, 2024 13:09:39 GMT -5
IMO Adele doesnβt feel realistic but Iβd love to see her pass the old NSYNC record
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Post by fengyu on Apr 19, 2024 13:19:14 GMT -5
PUNDITS SAY POETS WILL DO 2M+ Industry prognosticators are now fearlessly predicting that Taylor Swift's latest Republic rocket, THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT, will soar into the rarefied air of 2 million+ in first-week activity.
As you probably know, the new set was expanded to 31 tracks mere hours after its arrival in an "ANTHOLOGY" edition that will inevitably supercharge the already-frenzied consumption underway by Swifties. POETS quickly blew past Spotify and Amazon Music records for single-day album streams; expect more records to be set very soon.
So if 2m is now considered a floor, what's the ceiling? For the time being, we'll content ourselves with reiterating that this thing is big. Very, very big.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2024 13:20:46 GMT -5
I'm sure this is due to the new tracks and not something that the standard would have done!!!
Congrats to the Queen of Music
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Post by Caviar on Apr 19, 2024 13:21:52 GMT -5
2.5 - 2.7M is the ceiling.
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Post by π Eloquent β’ on Apr 19, 2024 13:22:11 GMT -5
Damn! Already besting my 1.8 milli prediction quite handedly! Double Platinum first week here we come!
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 19, 2024 13:53:10 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Apr 19, 2024 13:55:51 GMT -5
I'd say 2M in 2024 is almost as impressive as Adele's numbers back in the day. Adele's was coming from a huge break. Taylor has been dropping stuff nonstop for a few years now. This is her third year getting a million selling debut in a row. After her numbers had dropped well below that mark? It's just amazing.
Like, I can't see Adele or Drake getting this sort of rebound anytime soon and they were her closest competitors until recently.
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Post by clsvltn on Apr 19, 2024 13:55:57 GMT -5
IMO Adele doesnβt feel realistic but Iβd love to see her pass the old NSYNC record I remember going with my mom as a child on release day to Best Buy at 10am and running in the store to get a copy lol
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Post by avamaxstan on Apr 19, 2024 14:24:54 GMT -5
I mean, a big point of reputation was reacting to a sentiment that she was overexposed. No one saw me for a year, and such. And it's been oft-discussed how that "I was cancelled, everyone hated me" narrative never lined up with reality, it was more a figment of Taylor's hyper self-awareness to use as a plot point for songwriting.
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Post by π Eloquent β’ on Apr 19, 2024 14:38:50 GMT -5
I mean, a big point of reputation was reacting to a sentiment that she was overexposed. No one saw me for a year, and such. And it's been oft-discussed how that "I was cancelled, everyone hated me" narrative never lined up with reality, it was more a figment of Taylor's hyper self-awareness to use as a plot point for songwriting. There absolutely was a big palpable social media backlash against Taylor at that point. I don't know why these random whose who of who's that ( :) ) online feel as if they have the experience or position to judge her reaction to literally being bullied by millions of people via social media when you know damn well if ANY of those saying she was dramatic were in the very same situation, it would be traumatic for them as well. Being "cancelled" or public backlash has been spoken on by many, many different notable figures, outside of Taylor ,at this point and all of them say it was absolutely horrible to deal with. The everyday user couldn't possibly fathom being under such a microscope of intense heat, let alone knowing how well they would or wouldn't have handled it. It's really easy to judge a situation from the comfort of being outside looking in, when it's not you with a target on your head, that's not even justifiably placed at that.
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Post by wavey. on Apr 19, 2024 14:51:42 GMT -5
Million plus definitely confirmed, let's be real. She's going to gag either wayπ₯ who else?!
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Post by avamaxstan on Apr 19, 2024 15:01:27 GMT -5
Million plus definitely confirmed, let's be real. She's going to gag either wayπ₯ who else?! Girl... she's not debuting under 1 million ever again until she's maybe mid 40s or decides to retire to have kids The only debate is whether or not TTPD will clear 2.5 or 3 million
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Apr 19, 2024 15:19:40 GMT -5
I'd say 2M in 2024 is almost as impressive as Adele's numbers back in the day. Adele's was coming from a huge break. Taylor has been dropping stuff nonstop for a few years now. This is her third year getting a million selling debut in a row. After her numbers had dropped well below that mark? It's just amazing. Like, I can't see Adele or Drake getting this sort of rebound anytime soon and they were her closest competitors until recently. It's hard to compare 25 and TTPD, different eras, different stages of their career and different consumers of their music. While both impressive af, Adele's kinda felt more 'organic', don't get me wrong, not saying Taylor's is inorganic or something, but it feels like everyone and everything is on her side, all the major social/streaming platforms and radio stations are racing to suck up to Taylor and her fans - which is understandable, but still... I don't think people realize how massive 25 stats were. The fact that Adele did those numbers after only 3 big hits in the US is craaazy, it sold 8M copies in 6 weeks in the US, and 15M globally, without huge fanbase like Taylor, and with 3x less tracks than TTPD. Also, Taylor got us used to these big numbers, so people are not like OMG SHE DID THAT?, it's more like yeah, of course she did it.
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Post by π Eloquent β’ on Apr 19, 2024 15:24:01 GMT -5
everything is on her side, all the major social/streaming platforms and radio stations are racing to suck up to Taylor and her fans - which is understandable, but still... Are we insinuating this wasn't the exact same case for Adele after the biggest album of the 21st century?
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Apr 19, 2024 15:37:30 GMT -5
everything is on her side, all the major social/streaming platforms and radio stations are racing to suck up to Taylor and her fans - which is understandable, but still... Are we insinuating this wasn't the exact same case for Adele after the biggest album of the 21st century? not on this level, but tbh socials and platforms are on a totally different level too.
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