Billboard Hot 100: 05/04/2024

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Artists with the most multiweek #1s

Mariah Carey 17
The Beatles 15
Rihanna 10
Usher 9
The Supremes 8
Janet Jackson 8
Katy Perry 8
Beyonce 8
Madonna 7
Michael Jackson 7
Whitney Houston 7
Elton John 7
Bee Gees 7

some other artists

Taylor Swift 6
Bruno Mars 6
Drake 5
Adele 5
The Weeknd 4
Justin Bieber 4
Eminem 3
Ariana Grande 3
BTS 2

[jenglisbe]

Apr 22, 2024 13:13:33 GMT -5 @pikandru said:

Apr 21, 2024 18:05:40 GMT -5 sayhey said:

Exactly, until 1996, Mariah was a massive force on US radio. Her first 11 #1s were all legitimate, ubiquitous pop, AC, rhythmic and urban radio hits, with phenomenal sales to boot, and that is reflected by her immaculate album sales during the first half of the 90s. Can’t Let Go was indeed on its way to hit #1 (#1 on pop, rhythmic, AC and urban radio) had its physical formats not been deleted to boost sales of the parent Emotions album.

Sarting with 1997’s Honey, her dominance on pop radio slipped (Honey peaked at #10, My All at #18, Heartbreaker at #21 and TGIFY at #28). I always attributed this sudden loss of massive pop radio support to her separation from Tommy Mottola, but that’s an entirely different discussion. Still, fervent fan anticipation resulted in strong sales, and thus #1 Hot 100 peaks. It’s also worth noting that all those songs were legitimate, longevous non-pop radio hits that are remembered (and streamed) to this day (aside from TGIFY).

Her only blatant chart manipulation was Loverboy, which received weak airplay across all formats and its 49-cent discount led to one of the few sales-fueled hits (#2) of 2001, at a time when physical single sales were almost dead in the US.

Her post-2005 #1s were all legitimate, as TEOM produced some of the biggest US radio hits ever and 2008’s TMB was another proper #1, with healthy airplay and digital sales.

Sorry for rambling, but I mentioned all this because I really feel it’s obvious most of Mariah’s #1s were “legitimate”. Yes, her late 90s chart-toppers enjoyed lesser pop airplay, but they were still big on other radio formats and thus not totally sales driven. TGIFY is her weakest #1 I’d say but still hit #22 on airplay alone (before the physical release). In any case, out of her 19 #1s, only 4 (Honey, My All, Heartbreaker and TGIF) were not big pop radio hits, and still enjoyed radio success on non-pop formats, so to call her a chart manipulator is a stretch, I’d say. On the contrary, I’d say she’s among the artists with the most legitimate, multi-format radio smashes in US chart history.

Mariah’s number one catalog on the hot 100 is insanely impressive in terms of how big overall all of them were, with the sole exception of TGIFY. Even when she started falling off on pop radio in the late 90s (which made sense with the Butterfly #1s given how R&B flavored they are), they were still huge on other major radio formats and sales longevity was still strong for them. I believe the vast majority of her #1s made a year end h100 top 20, except TGIFY and a couple others that crossed into two different years too much.That’s pretty crazy.

The funny thing is "TGIFY" was a limited single, which is why it had a shorter chart run that prevented it from a higher year-end position. If it hadn't been limited, it would have had a longer run (that's true for a lot of her singles, including Can't Let Go, I'll Be There, Fantasy, and Heartbreaker). Having said that "TGIFY" was released in a time when not a lot of songs had a commercial release, so that obviously helped it get to #1 at all.

The Beatles, Elvis, and Rih are all in pretty much the same boat among other artists with the most #1s in terms of the vast majority of them being legitimate smashes. That’s why it pains me to see someone like Drake joining them, since you can’t say the same about his list of chart toppers. Tbf, you can with his first 7 up through Toosie, but ever since it’s been like 6 fleeting #1s in a row and it’s annoying at this point. Taylor at least you mostly still can, except maybe Willow and the verdict is still out of course on Fortnight.

Drake also has a lot of non-#1s that were true smashes. But also, the streaming animal is a different animal in many ways so I am not sure we can compare what was a hit when The Beatles or even Mariah were at their peak, and what's a smash now. Imagine if we'd had a way in the 1990s to monitor what people were listening to via CD each day, for instance.

[mms82]

Apr 22, 2024 12:11:08 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Are there any threads with more pages than this one so far this year, this thread already passed the previous week.

2019-2021 we were hitting 30+ pages all the time, we haven't in years as Pulse usage has fallen off. There also was a 30 page thread in 2009 for 3's release week, which didn't happen again for almost a decade. Someone here maintains a list of longest chart threads, we just haven't had to update it forever

[bat1990]

Apr 22, 2024 13:53:39 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Apr 22, 2024 13:01:00 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

193(RE) Beyoncé - BODYGUARD 320,294

Rise Bey rise! The label need to release this as a single for the summer.

I am Team Bodyguard for single #3! I disagree with people who think it's too much like "I Can See You" from T-Swift. The hooks in "Bodyguard" are much catchier and Electric Touch should've been the focus single for SN(TV).

[Groovy]

Apr 22, 2024 15:12:58 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Apr 22, 2024 12:11:08 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Are there any threads with more pages than this one so far this year, this thread already passed the previous week.

2019-2021 we were hitting 30+ pages all the time, we haven't in years as Pulse usage has fallen off. There also was a 30 page thread in 2009 for 3's release week, which didn't happen again for almost a decade. Someone here maintains a list of longest chart threads, we just haven't had to update it forever

This year I was referring to but yeah, Pulse's usage has fallen off some since those days. 

[lazer]

It's mostly because 2022-2023 was kinda empty and there was barely anything to discuss.

[thatpolishboy]

Apr 22, 2024 15:12:58 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Apr 22, 2024 12:11:08 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Are there any threads with more pages than this one so far this year, this thread already passed the previous week.

2019-2021 we were hitting 30+ pages all the time, we haven't in years as Pulse usage has fallen off. There also was a 30 page thread in 2009 for 3's release week, which didn't happen again for almost a decade. Someone here maintains a list of longest chart threads, we just haven't had to update it forever

Didn't the week of Levitating and Leave The Door Open have a huge number of pages? Unless you're talking specifically album thread. :)

[sayhey]

Apr 21, 2024 23:24:04 GMT -5 neel said:

While looking at the Billboard Hot 100 during the early 2000s, I've noticed that many songs on the  Hot 100 during the Winter of 2002/2003 suddenly tanked during the December to January period. Several of these were 2002 peaks like "Dilemma," "Ganasta Lovin," "Sk8er Boi," and "Like I Love You," to name a few. They all appeared to have strong chart runs going into December but then abruptly started to drop like rocks. The same random drop occurred with the massive hits of the period like "Lose Yourself," which immediately fell to No. 9 after its 12 weeks at the top, and "Work It."

As a result, only three songs from 2002's Year End list repeated on the 2003 Year End list being the lowest amount of repeats since the 1992-1993 YEs. So, what exactly happened? Considering that radio controlled about 92% of the Hot 100 at the time was there some radio recalibration that led to this?

Regarding Lose Yourself and Work It both dropping abruptly on the Hot 100 simultaneously, I always attributed this to radio fatigue. Both songs were radio juggernauts at the same time, occupying the top 2 spots for 10 consecutive weeks (with LY remaining at #1 for 12 weeks). I would assume that both songs burned out with the public, which would probably have resulted in horrible callouts by the end of their stay atop the charts. I don't have the exact data, but it's worth noting that both songs reached record-breaking AIs, which would have exacerbated this burnout. This, along with both artists launching their follow-up singles (Superman and Gossip Folks), would probably have prompted pop, rhythmic and urban stations to drop both songs en masse. 

Both songs actually completely exited the charts briskly after their respective peaks ended, 6 weeks later to be exact:

LY: #1 - #9 - #15 - #23 - #29 - #34 - #43
WI: #2- #6 - #13 - #19- #24 - #31 - #44

Other top chart hits of the era typically dropped rapidly once radio removed them from high rotation but not as rapidly. A good comparison is Beyonce's two 2003 chart-toppers, which were significantly more longevous:

Crazy in Love: #1 - #2 - #3 - #7 - #8 - #11 - #14 - #19 - #23 - #26 - #26 - #44 - #46
Baby Boy: #1 - #3 - #5 - #11 - #12 - #13 -#14 - #14 - #17 - #22 - #37 - #38 - #43 - #47

I would assume that this can be explained by the fact that LY and WI reached unprecedented AIs as aforementioned, which would result in great burnout and horrible callouts.

As for Dilemma and Gangsta Lovin', both were massive radio hits, so their drastic drop would be attributable to similar reasons. Sk8ter Boi was a big pop radio #1 so maybe it also faced radio burnout, plus pop stations probably abruptly switched to playing the follow-up I'm With You, which I'm sure Arista aggressively pushed for the winter season. And with it becoming evident that Like I Love You would miss the Hot 100's top 10, stalling at #4 on pop radio, I'm sure Jive suppressed it on radio in favor of the obvious smash that was Cry Me a River, which would account for LILY dropping like a rock.

Generally the years of 2002-2004 (and to a lesser extent 2001 too) were wild chart-wise, given how the Hot 100 was essentially an airplay chart. It's probably my favorite Hot 100 era simply for its volatility.

Also, let me just add that I always found it interesting that Work It got stuck behind LY for 10 whole weeks, given it was #1 on urban and rhythmic (#3 on pop), while LY hit #1 on pop and rhythmic and only #4 on urban at a time when urban radio was weighed as having the biggest audience. IIRC, songs like Jessica Simpson's With You, which were pop radio #1s, peaked lower on the Hot 100 than songs that were #2-#3 or so on urban. So it's kinda shocking to me that WI never sneaked a week or two at #1 from LY. Maybe LY reached dizzying heights on pop radio, thus closing the typical gap that existed between pop and urban at the time.

[mms82]

Finally exciting again

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Apr 22, 2024 13:53:39 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Apr 22, 2024 13:01:00 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

193(RE) Beyoncé - BODYGUARD 320,294

Rise Bey rise! The label need to release this as a single for the summer.

Currently they are pushing II MOST WANTED as the second single on radio

[imbuemyblue]

Bodyguard remix (feat. Taylor) is my vote for next single ;) I love II MOST WANTED but not sure of its radio appeal?

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Apr 23, 2024 8:05:44 GMT -5 imbuemyblue said:

Bodyguard remix (feat. Taylor) is my vote for next single ;) I love II MOST WANTED but not sure of its radio appeal?

The appeal is having Miley be a featured guest on a Beyonce track

[clsvltn]

Apr 23, 2024 5:18:38 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Finally exciting again

what is this? it says it was deleted ?? or is there something with my connnection 

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Apr 23, 2024 9:19:35 GMT -5 clsvltn said:

Apr 23, 2024 5:18:38 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Finally exciting again

what is this? it says it was deleted ?? or is there something with my connnection 

it's still there. TOTC's post:

Taylor Swift & Post Malone’s “Fortnight” is expected to earn over 500,000 units in the U.S. first week. It would be the first song to do so since Olivia Rodrigo’s “Drivers License” over 3 years ago.

[GW]

Apr 22, 2024 15:06:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

The funny thing is "TGIFY" was a limited single, which is why it had a shorter chart run that prevented it from a higher year-end position. If it hadn't been limited, it would have had a longer run (that's true for a lot of her singles, including Can't Let Go, I'll Be There, Fantasy, and Heartbreaker). Having said that "TGIFY" was released in a time when not a lot of songs had a commercial release, so that obviously helped it get to #1 at all.

There are some good examples of limited singles shipments hindering Hot 100 runs, but TGIFY is definitely not one of them.  Its "limited" shipment was actually its saving grace in terms of longevity on the Hot 100.

It shipped somewhere between 500,000 and 999,999 given its Gold certification at the time. Which is a fairly standard quantity, at least for an initial shipment, and was ultimately enough to keep it on the Singles Sales chart for 26 WEEKS - 17 of which were AFTER it fell off the Airplay chart.

Even with the discounting which drove its initially-big sales numbers (resulting in its 2 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 while peaking on Airplay), there were clearly many copies left after its Hot 100 run was over.  Its final week on the Hot 100 was April 22, and its final week on Singles Sales was July 29. 

The fact is, TGIFY's Airplay chart performance was why it didn't chart longer - it peaked at #15 and tumbled down quickly, charting just 17 weeks.  Without its continued sales, it wouldn't have reached 20 weeks on the Hot 100.

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[dremolus - solarpunk]

Apr 22, 2024 7:50:56 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

In three days, Taylor Swift has racked up 639,319,380 streams globally for The Tortured Poets Department: The Anthology and has already knocked off Un Verano Sin Ti for the second best weekly debut in Spotify's history. She's not only likely to unseat Midnights from the top spot, she is on track to make history as the first artist to ever get
1 BILLION STREAMS in one week for one album

We're now on 794,389,768, officially passing Midnights. It is hitting 1B on Friday.

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Push Up on US Spotify
Sunday - 1,977,025
Monday - 1,947,081 (-1.5%)

Not everyone rises on Monday’s btw

[85la]

Apr 23, 2024 10:42:50 GMT -5 GW said:

Apr 22, 2024 15:06:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

The funny thing is "TGIFY" was a limited single, which is why it had a shorter chart run that prevented it from a higher year-end position. If it hadn't been limited, it would have had a longer run (that's true for a lot of her singles, including Can't Let Go, I'll Be There, Fantasy, and Heartbreaker). Having said that "TGIFY" was released in a time when not a lot of songs had a commercial release, so that obviously helped it get to #1 at all.

There are some good examples of limited singles shipments hindering Hot 100 runs, but TGIFY is definitely not one of them.  Its "limited" shipment was actually its saving grace in terms of longevity on the Hot 100.

It shipped somewhere between 500,000 and 999,999 given its Gold certification at the time. Which is a fairly standard quantity, at least for an initial shipment, and was ultimately enough to keep it on the Hot 100 Singles Sales chart for 26 WEEKS - 17 of which were AFTER it fell off Hot 100 Airplay.

Even with the discounting which drove its initially-big sales numbers (resulting in its 2 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 while peaking on Airplay), there were clearly many copies left after its Hot 100 run was over.  Its final week on the Hot 100 was April 22, and its final week on Hot 100 Singles Sales was July 29. 

The reality is, TGIFY's Hot 100 Airplay performance killed its Hot 100 run - it peaked at #15 and tumbled down quickly (falling off after 6 more weeks, for a total of just 17 weeks). Sales are what kept it from falling off the Hot 100 before its 20th week.

TGIFY's sales weren't bad, especially at the time (687,000 by February 2001 according to Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thank_God_I_Found_You) with or without the limited release (I'm not really sure extending the release would've helped it much more), but an airplay peak of #15 and 17 weeks on the chart isn't horrible at all either, and not too far off from her other briefer #1s, such as Honey (#11) and My All (#15 as well). Not saying it was a huge huge hit, but it did reach #22 on airplay alone on the Hot 100 before its single release, had a run of 3 weeks in the top 2 after (actually first rising to #2 and then #1, 2-1-2-4, meaning it probably didn't exactly drop like a rock after its first week), and ranked in the top 50 of the year-end Hot 100, so while probably her weakest #1, I would still call it fairly substantial and far far off from being one of the weakest #1s of all time, many of which fall right out of the top 10 after debut week and off the chart entirely within a dozen.

[sedrickwilhelm]

So is it not questionable that we are supposed to believe more people on earth are listening to Taylor Swift than all non-Taylor Swift music combined?
Does it really make sense for every song on her album to be played more in 3 days than the top 1 playing songs of the full weeks prior to it?
There's a difference between being the biggest by plurality and being the majority. No one artist should (or, CAN) be the MAJORITY.

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Apr 23, 2024 11:42:50 GMT -5 sedrickwilhelm said:

So is it not questionable that we are supposed to believe more people on earth are listening to Taylor Swift than all non-Taylor Swift music combined?
Does it really make sense for every song on her album to be played more in 3 days than the top 1 playing songs of the full weeks prior to it?
There's a difference between being the biggest by plurality and being the majority. No one artist should (or, CAN) be the MAJORITY.

Drake bombing got you angry huh?

[sedrickwilhelm]

Apr 23, 2024 11:44:39 GMT -5 @stateofgrace said:

Apr 23, 2024 11:42:50 GMT -5 sedrickwilhelm said:

So is it not questionable that we are supposed to believe more people on earth are listening to Taylor Swift than all non-Taylor Swift music combined?
Does it really make sense for every song on her album to be played more in 3 days than the top 1 playing songs of the full weeks prior to it?
There's a difference between being the biggest by plurality and being the majority. No one artist should (or, CAN) be the MAJORITY.

Drake bombing got you angry huh?

I'm team Kendrick.

[imbuemyblue]

Wait, who said that Taylor is the majority? lol

Re: II Most Wanted, of course I get that it's being pushed because of Miley, but I don't think her feature is enough to make it a good fit for radio. But would love to be proven wrong! It's great track.

[sedrickwilhelm]

Apr 23, 2024 11:46:06 GMT -5 imbuemyblue said:

Wait, who said that Taylor is the majority? lol

The numbers.

[imbuemyblue]

Apr 23, 2024 11:46:43 GMT -5 sedrickwilhelm said:

Apr 23, 2024 11:46:06 GMT -5 imbuemyblue said:

Wait, who said that Taylor is the majority? lol

The numbers.

???? She did 790 mil or whatever in 4 days. Is there an article somewhere saying all other artists streamed less than that combined? Because that is almost indubitably false.

[mms82]

Swift aside I’m so happy we’re having a monoculture event again, and I really hope it happens again with someone not named Taylor Swift (even though I’m a fan).

There’s something special about a big hit that everyone is talking about that we as chart watchers can appreciate, and we haven’t had many of those lately. Really only Drivers License and WAP and now Fortnight (really TTPD the album) have achieved 600+ points without unreal single sales (sorry Dynamite) in the 2020s and that’s a bummer, it’s an awesome part of popular music

[sedrickwilhelm]

Apr 23, 2024 11:50:19 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Swift aside I’m so happy we’re having a monoculture event again, and I really hope it happens again with someone not named Taylor Swift (even though I’m a fan).

There’s something special about a big hit that everyone is talking about that we as chart watchers can appreciate, and we haven’t had many of those lately. Really only Drivers License and WAP and now Fortnight (really TTPD the album) have achieved 600+ points without unreal single sales (sorry Dynamite) in the 2020s and that’s a bummer, it’s an awesome part of popular music

I really hope it happens again with someone not named Taylor Swift but I'm gonna like posts shitting on other people not doing as well as her.

[mms82]

Another cool thing about TTPD is that the songs aren’t just charting in an order somewhat similar to the album track list - it looks like it’ll be
Fortnight
Down Bad
I Can Do It With A Broken Heart
as the top 3 charting songs on the bomb, which are songs 1-4-13 respectively.

[jayhawk1117]

Apr 23, 2024 11:46:43 GMT -5 sedrickwilhelm said:

Apr 23, 2024 11:46:06 GMT -5 imbuemyblue said:

Wait, who said that Taylor is the majority? lol

The numbers.

not one stat is pointing to that bestie 💀. She’s the biggest rn sure but not bigger than everyone combined… where’d that come from

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Apr 23, 2024 11:42:50 GMT -5 sedrickwilhelm said:

So is it not questionable that we are supposed to believe more people on earth are listening to Taylor Swift than all non-Taylor Swift music combined?

No body is questioning this because this isn't happening and is statistically and mathematically impossible lmao. I have no idea how you got the idea 31 songs are somehow getting more streams than literally millions of other songs combined.

Apr 23, 2024 11:42:50 GMT -5 sedrickwilhelm said:

Does it really make sense for every song on her album to be played more in 3 days than the top 1 playing songs of the full weeks prior to it?
There's a difference between being the biggest by plurality and being the majority. No one artist should (or, CAN) be the MAJORITY.

And now this is just conspiracy talk lmao. Unless you have evidence to suggest these numbers are fake, you've got no legs to stand on.