Katy Perry : "Woman's World"

[spiritboy]

Extended version really makes the song better, wish they had released it earlier. I like the song now. Still, i wish she had released a bop instead of this.

[Ryan]

It’s a page late but regarding the release of Unconditionally: I remember it was being praised as thee surefire hit of the album by the radio/industry people after the listening party. Some even compared it to Firework, saying it’s an obvious choice for the follow-up to Roar. Even though the public had a different idea and basically refused the song at that time, it still managed to become a decent-sized catalogue hit for her over the years.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 20, 2024 14:29:18 GMT -5 Ryan said:

It’s a page late but regarding the release of Unconditionally: I remember it was being praised as thee surefire hit of the album by the radio/industry people after the listening party. Some even compared it to Firework, saying it’s an obvious choice for the follow-up to Roar. Even though the public had a different idea and basically refused the song at that time, it still managed to become a decent-sized catalogue hit for her over the years.

I don't really care one way or another how it performed (as that's never automatically a testament to quality), "Unconditionally" is one of her best songs in my opinion. I prefer it to even "Firework" actually. It's so anthemic. I think it just unfortunately suffered being wedged between "Roar" (which was so monstrous at the time) and "Dark Horse" which was vying to be and as a result got swallowed. I think it would have faired MUCH better had it followed "Dark Horse".

[jumpb4uthink]

Jul 20, 2024 14:29:18 GMT -5 Ryan said:

It’s a page late but regarding the release of Unconditionally: I remember it was being praised as thee surefire hit of the album by the radio/industry people after the listening party. Some even compared it to Firework, saying it’s an obvious choice for the follow-up to Roar. Even though the public had a different idea and basically refused the song at that time, it still managed to become a decent-sized catalogue hit for her over the years.

And the video is sublime. Like viewing an artistic painting.

[Choco]

Jul 20, 2024 12:44:06 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

had to do some digging, but first full day spins were 1210. So 1210-695 = 515 spins this actually got today. Isn't that more than yesterday?

Kinda. It had 460 yesterday I think?

[Ryan]

Jul 20, 2024 14:38:39 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Jul 20, 2024 14:29:18 GMT -5 Ryan said:

It’s a page late but regarding the release of Unconditionally: I remember it was being praised as thee surefire hit of the album by the radio/industry people after the listening party. Some even compared it to Firework, saying it’s an obvious choice for the follow-up to Roar. Even though the public had a different idea and basically refused the song at that time, it still managed to become a decent-sized catalogue hit for her over the years.

I don't really care one way or another how it performed (as that's never automatically a testament to quality), "Unconditionally" is one of her best songs in my opinion. I prefer it to even "Firework" actually. It's so anthemic. I think it just unfortunately suffered being wedged between "Roar" (which was so monstrous at the time) and "Dark Horse" which was vying to be and as a result got swallowed. I think it would have faired MUCH better had it followed "Dark Horse".

I agree, it’s one of her career highlights. And it would have performed much better as a follow-up to Dark Horse. However, Capitol had already planned the rollout after receiving strong, positive responses from the industry before the album release. Releasing it as a Winter single also made perfect sense. But Dark Horse was a literal dark horse and it was a different era back then - I guess they couldn’t switch gears so quickly after investing so much in a song already. Despite this, it still became a big streaming hit for her, which I loved to see.

[COW COW COW COW COW COW COW]

Anyone have any Hot 100 predictions for this?

[Choco]

Jul 20, 2024 18:35:24 GMT -5 COW COW COW COW COW COW COW said:

Anyone have any Hot 100 predictions for this?

Last time anyone reliable predicted, it was around #80, but it decreased everyday since so... who knows.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I think it would've been in the top 50 without Eminem's songs.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

I'm guessing nearly all of that is due to radio?

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Jul 20, 2024 21:03:20 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I'm guessing nearly all of that is due to radio?

I think she at least had 5M streams? which is like 40 points or something, and that would be more than 50% of its points. Kehlani's "After Hours" was #96 last week with 3.8M streams and 14.4M airplay, WW will have similar airplay numbers, so for that #57 position she needs stronger streaming and sales, especially with Eminem's new tracks in the top 50.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 20, 2024 21:32:04 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Jul 20, 2024 21:03:20 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I'm guessing nearly all of that is due to radio?

I think she at least had 5M streams? which is like 40 points or something, and that would be more than 50% of its points. Kehlani's "After Hours" was #96 last week with 3.8M streams and 14.4M airplay, WW will have similar airplay numbers, so for that #57 position she needs stronger streaming and sales, especially with Eminem's new tracks in the top 50.

Thanks! I'm really unfamiliar with how streams/airplay is weighted and all that, but I guess I'd say nearly top 50 on the Hot 100 for being out of the top 100 on Spotify after day 1 isn't too shabby all things considered! lol

[Az Paynter]

I'm gonna presume we'll have to wait for TalkOfTheCharts to post their final prediction for the breakdown, it might be a bit hard to judge what her sales/streams are since they dumped the versions EP mid-week instead of holding onto it for week 2 like originally intended. Those extra versions will have their own sales/streams to factor in (and maybe it'll be sales that are behind the near-top 50).

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Did anyone else hear the demo version of this and did y'all prefer it or the finalized melody?

[Choco]

Yeah that's probably stronger than anticipated sales thanks to the multiple versions because airplay wise I believe it's around the same as Lil Nas X's "J Christ"? And that streamed just as poorly, but he doesn't have the fanbase to fuel digital downloads.

It's kinda sad that #57 is a win for this at this point. I really, really wanted Katy to give us one more solid era; it's been hard to support between the creatively dry song and the rest of the mess with Luke. Both very preventable scenarios.

[popwizard]

It’s giving: main pop girl status not restored

It could’ve been worse though.

[Az Paynter]

POP:
28 21 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 2946 1786 1160 5.141

+98 Spins
-309 Bullet
-0.068 Audience

HOT AC:
24 17 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 1657 881 776 5.241

+41 Spins
-195 Bullet
-0.029 Audience

[ObhiDonna]

Wow that update is honestly much much better than what I would have expected !! Maybe it can become a moderate performing single.

[leonagwen]

Yesterday's Spotify #s 926,713.

[SPRΞΞ]

Planet Unbothered

I love that she dgaf.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 21, 2024 9:13:30 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Planet Unbothered

I love that she dgaf.

Yeah I'm not buying into this assumption at all. Given how badly the performance of Witness rocked her world/mental health and given how she's seemingly done a 180 on any progress she made afterward (disconnecting her self-worth/personal validation from commercial success only to then potentially further sabotage her career to work with Luke with the sole intention and goal of chasing commercial success as well as her continual focus on making "hits" and "being back"), I can't imagine she's thrilled and/or "unaffected/unbothered" by this song's reception, especially given she, by all accounts, expected this to be her return to the forefront. Social media posts are hardly indicative of what's actually going on behind the scenes or in reality. We weren't even aware of how devastating/personally transformative Witness was for her until much later down the line when she spoke on it so there's no indication that this would be any different. Hopefully it just doesn't affect her to the same extent as this isn't her first brush with failure. And mind you her potentially feeling "bothered" by this is perfectly reasonable. An artist's work is obviously pretty personal and I'm sure she had high hopes of this having a glowing reception and her being warmly welcomed back especially with the hype she had accumulated prior to the song being released. Her being "bothered" isn't something to be ashamed of, it's a very natural human reaction to seeing something you love/are proud of being poorly recieved add to that the fact a bulk of the criticism is hurled at Katy personally. I'm sure it feels like rejection all around and that wouldn't feel good to anyone.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Jul 20, 2024 21:32:04 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Jul 20, 2024 21:03:20 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I'm guessing nearly all of that is due to radio?

I think she at least had 5M streams? which is like 40 points or something, and that would be more than 50% of its points. Kehlani's "After Hours" was #96 last week with 3.8M streams and 14.4M airplay, WW will have similar airplay numbers, so for that #57 position she needs stronger streaming and sales, especially with Eminem's new tracks in the top 50.

based on TOTC's final preds:

#57 Woman's World 74 points

11k sales (14%)
6.8M streams (61%)
14.5M airplay (24%)

13 Eminem tracks ahead of it (11 new tracks), but honestly, it doesn't even matter if it's #57 or #46...at least it'll have a higher peak than Bon Appetit lol.

[COW COW COW COW COW COW COW]

Jul 21, 2024 10:51:11 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Jul 20, 2024 21:32:04 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I think she at least had 5M streams? which is like 40 points or something, and that would be more than 50% of its points. Kehlani's "After Hours" was #96 last week with 3.8M streams and 14.4M airplay, WW will have similar airplay numbers, so for that #57 position she needs stronger streaming and sales, especially with Eminem's new tracks in the top 50.

based on TOTC's final preds:

#57 Woman's World 74 points

11k sales (14%)
6.8M streams (61%)
14.5M airplay (24%)

13 Eminem tracks ahead of it (11 new tracks), but honestly, it doesn't even matter if it's #57 or #46...at least it'll have a higher peak than Bon Appetit lol.

Bon Appetit wasn’t a lead single though. This is.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Am I crazy for thinking 11k in single sales isn't that terrible considering sales are dead and this single's reception? It was more than I expected honestly. Then again, I don't follow digital single sales closely so idk.

[Choco]

Not sure if the tweet I read was correct but apparently WW outsold "We Can't Be Friends" and was only 7k behind "Fortnight". It's a decent sales number in this market.

[Mayman]

It had CDs and vinyls to boost its number.

[wavey.]

Jul 21, 2024 9:13:30 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Planet Unbothered

I love that she dgaf.

Same. Like I said before she's ESTABLISHED. She doesn't have to prove anything else. Seems like she wants to connect with the actual fans/supporters more via Social Media. I can also be wrong but that's what I see. It's clear she wants to have a fun, active era more than SMILE.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Jul 21, 2024 14:57:25 GMT -5 Choco said:

Not sure if the tweet I read was correct but apparently WW outsold "We Can't Be Friends" and was only 7k behind "Fortnight". It's a decent sales number in this market.

WCBF and Fortnight were released during album weeks, and I think the fans were more focused on buying the album.

[trustypepper]

Not to beat a dead horse, but the way I would jam to this so much more if it just had a strong bridge and an explosive final chorus. The bones of a strong pop hit are there.

[balletgirlmom]

Cher's single Woman's World (same title but different song) was also a fun song and I recall Cher had fun making the video for it.  Both Cher and Katy come through as just having a great time.  Nothing wrong with happy.  Cher was around 67 when that single came out, so it met lots of radio resistance, but it was still a fun song.  At least Katy is not pushing 70 as Cher was when her WW came out, and Katy is getting radio play.