HITS 5/24: Taylor #1 350k ; Billie #2 300k+

[sayhey]

May 24, 2024 15:21:15 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

May 24, 2024 15:05:22 GMT -5 sayhey said:

I honestly feel sorry for her die-hard fans who will undoubtedly spend so much money to purchase so many different editions of an album. It saddens me to think that an artist would put their fans through this, it seems manipulative and frankly wrong.

See and this is what I find interesting as I don't necessarily see the fans as "victims" at all, but as willing participants. These are grown people who have every ability not to spend a dime on what she's throwing at them, yet they still do. They're certainly not obligated. Even those who want to hear the extra material, such as myself, can easily do so by other means with a bit of patience and they're not owed any artist's additional art just because. I find this whole topic very interesting because it is applicable in so many situations. Do we feel sorry for Apple users who buy a new phone every year if it only has 1 or 2 minor upgrades?

Yeah, you're absolutely right about that, they are buying those versions of their own volition, I didn't suggest otherwise. And I don't see them as victims either, agreed. It's just that I feel that modern, social media-fueled "fandoms" cultivate a sense of emotional attachment, especially for die hard fans, who are usually individuals prone to collect products compulsively, which can be leveraged to push products that will not be really consumed. All I'm saying is that I find these practices lessen the reliability of charts and I'd personally love to see Billboard find a way to tackle this situation.

As for the iPhone comparison, you're raising an interesting point. However, I'd say that iPhone users who update every year are individuals who strive to acquire the latest technology and while this is also compulsive behavior, at least they purchase products that are more advanced to an extent every year and make actual use of them for a full year. Will the 13 new versions of Taylor's album be consumed by the fans purchasing them in full, aside from the bonus tracks? I think not, and this is how the two situations differ imo!

[GW]

Some of THE people on this board aren't below posting variants of their own deleted posts to try and salvage their own hooey that doesn't hold up. The irony is not lost on me. But it's all love.

Enjoy your weekend everyone! ✌️

[firefox]

Wow. People really made this week seem like their lives depended on it. 🤭

[Ivy Leegue™]

NO one in this thread is JEALOUS of Taylor, I can promise you that. What is it about stan behavior that makes someone automatically label someone who doesn't like a certain artist or question their tactics as a "hater" or "jealous?" All I know is this: tone it down. There is no place for irrational stan behavior on this board.

[iHype.]

May 24, 2024 19:46:38 GMT -5 GW said:

May 24, 2024 19:32:08 GMT -5 Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint said:

Having opinions on a public figure doesn't mean people are jealous of her lol . Nobody here is a aspiring singer or a more appropriate comparison to Taylor herself a aspiring songwriter so no just we have two minutes to discuss music company tactics ain't the end of the world. Save your fangs for the next few years. What GOES UP is always going to come back down . Enjoy the run and stop being so rude, nasty and defensive.

Pointing out the obvious reason for all the "discussion" is what it is, girl.  You're right, what goes up absolutely comes down, but why hate on people and try and undermine them or their fanbase when they're up?  Doing things to TRY and keep things on top only works when there is participation from supporters. There's no guarantee. Plenty of examples where it didn't/doesn't work.

Be mad at Taylor's gaggle of supporters, not the artist and/or the relative few label execs who are catering to their willingness to support her.  It's giving ugly hater behavior.  Just as I've been pointing out.

EDIT: The poster deleted their post.  Not surprised. 

Taylor releasing endless variants to bypass someone else's release week not being ugly hater behavior, but instead those questioning her motives being the ones with ugly hater behavior?? What even lmao

[👑 Eloquent ™]

^ She don't start sh**, but she can tell you how it ends. lol

[Ivy Leegue™]

May 24, 2024 21:55:18 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

^ She don't start sh**, but she can tell you how it ends. lol

LOL you're having too much fun! But, thanks for being respectful. This post made me chuckle.

[wavey.]

Always an interesting read here at Pulse. I love it here.

[balletgirlmom]

Nice to see Zsa and Beyonce holding up.

[myhouse911]

Now that the week is over and hopefully this thread loses some posters; it is mind blowing to me that Rumours has been consistently selling 3k copies a week for quite some time now. Surely this is vinyl sales, right? Regardless of the format it is being purchased on, it is wild that it’s happening weekly for a 47 year old album.

[suburbandreams]

May 25, 2024 1:47:03 GMT -5 myhouse911 said:

Now that the week is over and hopefully this thread loses some posters; it is mind blowing to me that Rumours has been consistently selling 3k copies a week for quite some time now. Surely this is vinyl sales, right? Regardless of the format it is being purchased on, it is wild that it’s happening weekly for a 47 year old album.

Yeah it's amazing. 


Alot of people when they start their vinyl collection buy some old classics. It's really amazing that rumors is now "the" classic album to buy on vinyl. 

it's especially crazy since the orange juice tiktok had such a big effect on their chart performance and that boost lasted since it really caused people to remeber how awesome they are.

[bboat11]

May 24, 2024 11:37:23 GMT -5 musiclife said:

May 24, 2024 11:24:44 GMT -5 Kelly's 10th Fan said:

Just so we're clear, calling people judgmental and jealous simply because they disagree with you is extreme. Your actual opinion on Taylor is not the problem here, it's your (IMO) poor inability to handle opposing opinions in a less histrionic manner.

Right but it's just funny I was warned for the same exact things people said to me. Okay no problem but these kind of things should not be discussed publicly. It's borderline unprofessional. But okay I won't argue with a mod you're right.

I just want to point out the double standard of you saying that warnings and punishments should not be discussed publicly as soon as a mod tries to give you constructive criticism (which is not even slightly a warning or a punishment), but then sliding into our report queue dms 187 times in one evening to be like "nobody ever gets warned but me." Like, how would you know? We don't discuss those things publicly. The only reason anyone knows you were warned recently is because you're acting like it.

For all those who are being messy, obviously this thread is receiving our direct attention right now, and we WILL give warnings to people who are stretching out drama unnecessarily. Ivy Leegue™ asked for the temperature of this thread to come down already earlier, and yet multiple pages of underhanded comments have followed. My advice? Somebody is BIG MAD right now over some earlier discussions, and has been reporting everything that gets posted in this thread today, soooooooo take that information and decide whether or not you want to be ending up in our report queue more than you would probably feel comfortable being

[myhouse911]

May 25, 2024 2:17:20 GMT -5 suburbandreams said:

May 25, 2024 1:47:03 GMT -5 myhouse911 said:

Now that the week is over and hopefully this thread loses some posters; it is mind blowing to me that Rumours has been consistently selling 3k copies a week for quite some time now. Surely this is vinyl sales, right? Regardless of the format it is being purchased on, it is wild that it’s happening weekly for a 47 year old album.

Yeah it's amazing. 


Alot of people when they start their vinyl collection buy some old classics. It's really amazing that rumors is now "the" classic album to buy on vinyl. 

it's especially crazy since the orange juice tiktok had such a big effect on their chart performance and that boost lasted since it really caused people to remember how awesome they are.

I just keep thinking "How are 3K people buying this every.single.week??" lol - but obviously super happy for FM and that album to do what it continues to do.

[musiclife]

May 25, 2024 3:40:45 GMT -5 bboat11 said:

May 24, 2024 11:37:23 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Right but it's just funny I was warned for the same exact things people said to me. Okay no problem but these kind of things should not be discussed publicly. It's borderline unprofessional. But okay I won't argue with a mod you're right.

I just want to point out the double standard of you saying that warnings and punishments should not be discussed publicly as soon as a mod tries to give you constructive criticism (which is not even slightly a warning or a punishment), but then sliding into our report queue dms 187 times in one evening to be like "nobody ever gets warned but me." Like, how would you know? We don't discuss those things publicly. The only reason anyone knows you were warned recently is because you're acting like it.

For all those who are being messy, obviously this thread is receiving our direct attention right now, and we WILL give warnings to people who are stretching out drama unnecessarily. Ivy Leegue™ asked for the temperature of this thread to come down already earlier, and yet multiple pages of underhanded comments have followed. My advice? Somebody is BIG MAD right now over some earlier discussions, and has been reporting everything that gets posted in this thread today, soooooooo take that information and decide whether or not you want to be ending up in our report queue more than you would probably feel comfortable being

Constructive criticism is fine. I was a moderator once upon a time on another forum, and these matters were discussed privately via dms with the member, and we didn't discuss report matters publicly and it should not be like that because it creates a pariah, and that seems to be the direction youre all trying to go. That's why it was addressed publicly by.... me. It's over yet it's still being discussed which is the real double standard to me. Soooo I'm gonna end it... *again*... now.

[avamaxstan]

This thread is a learning lesson that a “no holds barred” megathread for off-topic fan banter might be a good outlet.

[NeRD]

May 24, 2024 8:39:52 GMT -5 musiclife said:

May 24, 2024 8:26:30 GMT -5 Ling-Ling said:

Mean? Are you serious? Where are these people being so awful to her? I lived through Michael Jackson's scandals. Madonna's Sexbook. Janet's Superbowl incident. Mariah's nervous breakdown. Britney's public downfall and conservatorship. Whitney's tragic downfall through drug addiction. The list goes on and on. Actual career threatening scandals and a press machine designed to rip them to shreds. I watched the media gleefully tear these people down all while a complicit public sat back and gawked and laughed. Taylor has never once had a moment like that in her career. The press largely treats her with kid gloves, the critics love her, she has a huge dedicated fanbase. The only "negative" mainstream running commentary about her is her love life, something she made a keystone of her career. And every celebrities love life is front and center, we've been seeing non-stop coverage of Ariana Grande and Jennifer Lopez for months. This narrative you keep trying to create where Taylor has had it so hard has never been reality.

And did you literally not just see my post where I said any artist doing this is gross? I swear to f**king God.

Yeah, and almost all the things those artists did that caused media frenzy/their downfall, they did to themselves. Taylor doesn't bother anyone or do anything to anyone. I love most of those artists but come on. I won't go into reasons, because it won't matter and I don't wanna get in trouble. But what has Taylor done? Had boyfriends, write breakup songs, and fly in an airplane? Yet she gets treated like she cause world War 2.

Listen, I'm a big fan, but let's not act like Taylor is an angel lmao

[fridayteenage]

May 25, 2024 4:14:48 GMT -5 myhouse911 said:

May 25, 2024 2:17:20 GMT -5 suburbandreams said:

Yeah it's amazing. 


Alot of people when they start their vinyl collection buy some old classics. It's really amazing that rumors is now "the" classic album to buy on vinyl. 

it's especially crazy since the orange juice tiktok had such a big effect on their chart performance and that boost lasted since it really caused people to remember how awesome they are.

I just keep thinking "How are 3K people buying this every.single.week??" lol - but obviously super happy for FM and that album to do what it continues to do.

nowhere near as old, but i feel similarly about how lover is still glued to the sales top 10 after 215 weeks. her rise was when physicals already started their downward spiral. i know some people rediscovered it after the eras tour started, but that started over a year ago.

the 2nd oldest album in the sales top 10 last week was midnights (82 weeks), followed by 1989 tv (29 weeks).

[HEADOFTHEPACK]

The sales week is done so I promise I am personally peacing out, but food for thought.

Does reporting about the same thing 187 times count as... 186 variants???

TIL NEXT TIME!

[Grün]

Is their a good documentary about Fleetwood Mac? I read up some cool and crazy things about Stevie Nicks would love to watch more.

[fridayteenage]

hdd is behind a few weeks, but of the top 50, the bestsellers this year were
2072k tortured poets/taylor
239k cowboy carter/beyonce
209k 1989 tv/taylor
166k lover/taylor
147k folklore/taylor
141k midnights/taylor

for the billboard year of 2023, she ended at 1/2/6/8. wonder how many she'll get this year...

[Ivy Leegue™]

May 25, 2024 8:40:50 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

This thread is a learning lesson that a “no holds barred” megathread for off-topic fan banter might be a good outlet.

If you thrive in an atmosphere in which people can say whatever they want, no matter how terrible, without any consequence, I suggest you start your own message board, dwell on the Dark Web, or join Disco.

[avamaxstan]

May 25, 2024 13:31:21 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

May 25, 2024 8:40:50 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

This thread is a learning lesson that a “no holds barred” megathread for off-topic fan banter might be a good outlet.

If you thrive in an atmosphere in which people can say whatever they want, no matter how terrible, without any consequence, I suggest you start your own message board, dwell on the Dark Web, or join Disco.

This overkill response to a lighthearted comment about the chaos of this thread ☠️ Some of y’all really do need to blow off steam lol

[musiclife]

May 25, 2024 15:02:22 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

May 25, 2024 13:31:21 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

If you thrive in an atmosphere in which people can say whatever they want, no matter how terrible, without any consequence, I suggest you start your own message board, dwell on the Dark Web, or join Disco.

This overkill response to a lighthearted comment about the chaos of this thread ☠️ Some of y’all really do need to blow off steam lol

Rule #1. Rules for thee but not for me.

[theycallmedualian]

16 pages of pressed souls whining about taylor when a debut album is failing to beat a 5 week old album. this is just too funny. now i wish she would do another batch of signed CDs or vinyls or side2 physicals just for the haters to continue seething.

[ificanthaveyou]

May 26, 2024 13:23:12 GMT -5 theycallmedualian said:

16 pages of pressed souls whining about taylor when a debut album is failing to beat a 5 week old album. this is just too funny. now i wish she would do another batch of signed CDs or vinyls or side2 physicals just for the haters to continue seething.

Gotta wait for week #13 for that ;)

[Juanca]

May 24, 2024 7:37:28 GMT -5 Taylor. said:

^ I was kidding, but I think that’s an older quote from Barbie press. She said the three hour shows are psychotic thing on Stationhead last night:

“Doing a 3 hour show.. That's literally psychotic. Nobody wants that. You guys don't want that. I don't want that. I don't even want that as a fan. Even my favorite artists l'm not trying to hear them for 3 hours. That's far too long. That's literally psychotic."

Again, I’m not taking any of this seriously. Billie can say/do whatever she wants. Taylor can say/do whatever she wants. I'm just entertained!

I know the clip shared in this thread also starts the quote at that point, but this is misleading because the complete first sentence was “I’m not doing a three-hour show, that's literally psychotic. Nobody wants that. You guys don’t want that. I don’t want that. I don’t even want that as a fan.“ an important nuance because it’s about her perspective of doing herself a 3-hour show. This is consistent to me with what she said before.

Another point to clarify IMO is that Billie hasn’t done the practice of variants with a single different track in each album. She’s released full albums with all tracks with vocals only, sped up and slowed versions. I wouldn’t buy any of that shit, but it’s a different practice than “new” digital albums where there’s only one different new track per new album.

Just stating these nuances that might’ve been a bit lost in the threads when some important pieces of info are missing.

Congrats to both successful women on an impressive contested week! I wish some of these practices of new variants were discouraged as I think they devalue the meaning of albums, but this is the music business nowadays…