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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 24, 2024 8:38:22 GMT -5
Taylor has been through more in this industry than anyone alive today? Where? How? She's had a largely seamless and scandal free career. Every single mega-star that came before her had it way harder. The way Taylor has weaponized professional victimhood and toxic feminism was a masterstroke though. Because a lot of her fans have truly drank the Kool-Aid. And for the umpteenth time, nobody thinks Taylor should "let Billie have #1." We're disgusted that Taylor has released the dozenth unnecessary variant of this album to extract even more money from her fans. We're disgusted at the devaluation of physical product and albums because she needs another money grab. The fact that she's obviously doing it to block another artist is just another layer to it. Again, none of this is hard to comprehend, why are you still running the same irrelevant talking points into the ground. You look insane. It's because people are mean to her for no reason. She just breathes and people are pressed. For instance this thread. Plus the media follows every single little thing she does and is more intrusive in her life than anyone else. People have been down right awful to her throughout the span of her career. I'm not the one that looks *insane* because you're acting pressed over Taylor's varients but not Billie's. You're being as hypocritical as Billie. And you’re pressed people are pressed. Full circle high school moment! 😊 |
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Post by musiclife on May 24, 2024 8:39:52 GMT -5
It's because people are mean to her for no reason. She just breathes and people are pressed. For instance this thread. Plus the media follows every single little thing she does and is more intrusive in her life than anyone else. People have been down right awful to her throughout the span of her career. You look insane because you're pressed over Taylor's varients but not Billie's. You're being as hypocritical as Billie. Mean? Are you serious? Where are these people being so awful to her? I lived through Michael Jackson's scandals. Madonna's Sexbook. Janet's Superbowl incident. Mariah's nervous breakdown. Britney's public downfall and conservatorship. Whitney's tragic downfall through drug addiction. The list goes on and on. Actual career threatening scandals and a press machine designed to rip them to shreds. I watched the media gleefully tear these people down all while a complicit public sat back and gawked and laughed. Taylor has never once had a moment like that in her career. The press largely treats her with kid gloves, the critics love her, she has a huge dedicated fanbase. The only "negative" mainstream running commentary about her is her love life, something she made a keystone of her career. And every celebrities love life is front and center, we've been seeing non-stop coverage of Ariana Grande and Jennifer Lopez for months. This narrative you keep trying to create where Taylor has had it so hard has never been reality. And did you literally not just see my post where I said any artist doing this is gross? I swear to f**king God. Yeah, and almost all the things those artists did that caused media frenzy/their downfall, they did to themselves. Taylor doesn't bother anyone or do anything to anyone. I love most of those artists but come on. I won't go into reasons, because it won't matter and I don't wanna get in trouble. But what has Taylor done? Had boyfriends, write breakup songs, and fly in an airplane? Yet she gets treated like she cause world War 2. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 24, 2024 8:42:29 GMT -5
This girl has been through more in this industry than anyone alive today. While it is 100% not a competition of “who’s been through the most”, I have to call out this ridiculous comment. Go and read the news about Cassie and maybe loop back. A quick skim of what happened to Kesha too while you’re at it. And maybe, er, Britney Spears? Won’t happen. musiclife’s reading comphrension is spotty at best. Any narrative that doesn’t put Taylor in the most victimous light is not worth reading. They want everyone to treat Taylor like a monster so that they too can take glory from also feeling like a victim by association. |
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Post by Ling-Ling on May 24, 2024 8:44:15 GMT -5
Yet she gets treated like she cause world War 2. This has literally never happened. Not once. If you're trying to equate commentary on music forums about variants or motherless children on Twitter being mad about her private jet with World War 2, you need to get outside more. |
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Post by musiclife on May 24, 2024 9:32:01 GMT -5
Yet she gets treated like she cause world War 2. This has literally never happened. Not once. If you're trying to equate commentary on music forums about variants or motherless children on Twitter being mad about her private jet with World War 2, you need to get outside more. She's never been called a slut relentlessly for having different boyfriends? She's never been called the devil for pOlUtInG the Earth? She's never been called Dracula for not giving away more money when during covid she was contacting random people on Twitter and giving them thousands of dollars to help then? She's never been made fun of for terrible heartbreaks? Yeah, people are more petty to her than anyone.. for no damn reason. |
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Post by musiclife on May 24, 2024 9:34:05 GMT -5
While it is 100% not a competition of “who’s been through the most”, I have to call out this ridiculous comment. Go and read the news about Cassie and maybe loop back. A quick skim of what happened to Kesha too while you’re at it. And maybe, er, Britney Spears? Won’t happen. musiclife’s reading comphrension is spotty at best. Any narrative that doesn’t put Taylor in the most victimous light is not worth reading. They want everyone to treat Taylor like a monster so that they too can take glory from also feeling like a victim by association. Lol good one you know shit about me. You're just a judgemental person with a bad attitude as you've shown with every single post you've made in this thread. You're jealous of her. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on May 24, 2024 9:35:42 GMT -5
I don't wanna hear nothing about the "hardships" a billionaire goes through, Taylor was brought up wealthy and aside from the Kanye stuff I don't see how she's been mistreated. And it didn't matter in the long run, she made a whole album about her reputation being terrible yet 7 years later she's bigger than ever, and the whole re-recording thing worked very favorably for her in hindsight. She wins all the industry awards, she has the highest-selling tour of all time, her album just sold over 2 million copies, etc. No one in the industry has had her level of success since the glory days of Madonna & Michael Jackson. Yet it's still not enough, she has to portray herself as a victim, as an underdog for some reason.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 24, 2024 9:42:14 GMT -5
Not relevant for this thread, but I am not sure where else to put it; I just saw three new digital albums for Taylor's album, each with a live track. Do fans have to purchase all 3 versions of the album to get all 3 live tracks, or can they download the live versions as individual tracks?
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Post by iHype. on May 24, 2024 9:46:48 GMT -5
The way Taylor & her fans victimize her now is so hilarious mostly because it shows they truly could not ever handle *actual* disdain and hate towards her.
If the way she gets treated is 'oh so unfair :((((' just imagine if she got the same treatment Britney, MJ, Janet, Whitney, Mariah, Gaga, Madonna etc received at their lowest from the public and media.
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Post by Ling-Ling on May 24, 2024 9:51:34 GMT -5
She's never been called a slut relentlessly for having different boyfriends? She's never been called the devil for pOlUtInG the Earth? She's never been called Dracula for not giving away more money when during covid she was contacting random people on Twitter and giving them thousands of dollars to help then? She's never been made fun of for terrible heartbreaks? Yeah, people are more petty to her than anyone.. for no damn reason. Miserable people on social media talking trash about celebrities is not reality. Gossip rags/blogs talking about famous people is par for the course. There has not been a single moment in Taylor Swift's career where the general public and the collective media came together to tear her down. Like they have so many in the past. She's had a fairly smooth ride, especially given her level of fame. She is the closest you can possibly get to being America's sweetheart in the social media age. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 24, 2024 10:06:52 GMT -5
Won’t happen. musiclife’s reading comphrension is spotty at best. Any narrative that doesn’t put Taylor in the most victimous light is not worth reading. They want everyone to treat Taylor like a monster so that they too can take glory from also feeling like a victim by association. Lol good one you know shit about me. You're just a judgemental person with a bad attitude as you've shown with every single post you've made in this thread. You're jealous of her. lmao and you've made poor assumptions and misunderstandings of anyone who has any sort of differentiating opinion on her from day 1. Somehow, I hate on her and now I'm jealous of her? lmao I love it! You're not even good at making shit up. Both of those points you've made in the last day make zero sense with regards to anything I've written about her. |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on May 24, 2024 10:43:54 GMT -5
Taylor has been through more in this industry than anyone alive today? Where? How? She's had a largely seamless and scandal free career. Every single mega-star that came before her had it way harder. The way Taylor has weaponized professional victimhood and toxic feminism was a masterstroke though. Because a lot of her fans have truly drank the Kool-Aid. And for the umpteenth time, nobody thinks Taylor should "let Billie have #1." We're disgusted that Taylor has released the dozenth unnecessary variant of this album to extract even more money from her fans. We're disgusted at the devaluation of physical product and albums because she needs another money grab. The fact that she's obviously doing it to block another artist is just another layer to it. Again, none of this is hard to comprehend, why are you still running the same irrelevant talking points into the ground. You look insane. But it’s so funny that you see her promo tactics as greed when literally every major artist is doing the same thing. Again, people are making this a Taylor Swift problem when it’s literally an industry practice. It’s also just a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation for her. Her job is to sell music, people are chiding her for being creative and sustaining those sales outside of debut week. It’s clear that streaming has diminished physical and digital sales. Artists like Taylor have ushered in a collectibility factor that has allowed sales to survive for the time being. They were forced to evolve their selling strategy in order to maximize their profits and to sustain their output. Cuz guess what, it’s a BUSINESS after all. But instead of praising Taylor’s business savviness here we are arguing over whether she’s a greedy distasteful capitalist more so than any of her peers 😂 As much as we are defending Taylor, y’all are getting worked up over variants. As someone earlier on told us, go touch grass, it’s never this serious. You guys swear Swifties are refinancing their homes in order to afford the $5.99 loml Live from Paris variant that we can’t live without 😂 you’re crying about how other people willingly and gladly spend their money as if it’s coming out of your own pocket. |
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on May 24, 2024 10:56:05 GMT -5
For the love of all things holy and unholy, can y'all PLEASE stop responding to that one poster. Staff has a big enough mess to clean up as is. I know it's hard, especially in the face of extreme adversity (the likes of which only Taylor of Arc has seen), but please, I beg you, kindly ignore before this gets any more out of hand. Thank you.
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on May 24, 2024 11:01:40 GMT -5
Won’t happen. musiclife’s reading comphrension is spotty at best. Any narrative that doesn’t put Taylor in the most victimous light is not worth reading. They want everyone to treat Taylor like a monster so that they too can take glory from also feeling like a victim by association. Lol good one you know shit about me. You're just a judgemental person with a bad attitude as you've shown with every single post you've made in this thread. You're jealous of her. I should probably let a staff member who checks in more than once a month handle this, but dear God please go outside and touch some grass |
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on May 24, 2024 11:13:46 GMT -5
Lol good one you know shit about me. You're just a judgemental person with a bad attitude as you've shown with every single post you've made in this thread. You're jealous of her. I should probably let a staff member who checks in more than once a month handle this, but dear God please go outside and touch some grass OMG it took this mess to bring you out of your retirement home, but...I'm betting you will be added to the report queue soon.  |
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Post by musiclife on May 24, 2024 11:16:54 GMT -5
I should probably let a staff member who checks in more than once a month handle this, but dear God please go outside and touch some grass OMG it took this mess to bring you out of your retirement home, but...I'm betting you will be added to the report queue soon. Nice to know that there is a bias. I'm out of this thread. |
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on May 24, 2024 11:18:11 GMT -5
I should probably let a staff member who checks in more than once a month handle this, but dear God please go outside and touch some grass OMG it took this mess to bring you out of your retirement home, but...I'm betting you will be added to the report queue soon. I truly wish I could have had a grander entrance lmao! I just wanted to check Billie's estimates and go before returning back to real life swallowing me whole |
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on May 24, 2024 11:24:44 GMT -5
OMG it took this mess to bring you out of your retirement home, but...I'm betting you will be added to the report queue soon. Nice to know that there is a bias. I'm out of this thread. Just so we're clear, calling people judgmental and jealous simply because they disagree with you is extreme. Your actual opinion on Taylor is not the problem here, it's your (IMO) poor inability to handle opposing opinions in a less histrionic manner. |
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Post by think pink. on May 24, 2024 11:24:48 GMT -5
The worst "scandal" of Taylor's career resulted in social media users leaving snake emoji's in her comment section for a week. Swifities do not know what a true hate train and media & GP onslaught is lol.
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Post by musiclife on May 24, 2024 11:37:23 GMT -5
Nice to know that there is a bias. I'm out of this thread. Just so we're clear, calling people judgmental and jealous simply because they disagree with you is extreme. Your actual opinion on Taylor is not the problem here, it's your (IMO) poor inability to handle opposing opinions in a less histrionic manner. Right but it's just funny I was warned for the same exact things people said to me. Okay no problem but these kind of things should not be discussed publicly. It's borderline unprofessional. But okay I won't argue with a mod you're right. |
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Post by Ling-Ling on May 24, 2024 11:44:24 GMT -5
For the love of all things holy and unholy, can y'all PLEASE stop responding to that one poster. Staff has a big enough mess to clean up as is. I know it's hard, especially in the face of extreme adversity (the likes of which only Taylor of Arc has seen), but please, I beg you, kindly ignore before this gets any more out of hand. Thank you. It was a boring day at work and I had the time, lol. Time to move on and enjoy the long weekend! The only thing more run into the ground than these talking points are variants of TTPS. |
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Post by dbhmr on May 24, 2024 11:44:49 GMT -5
All I'm getting from this is that at a certain point some Taylor Swift fans suffer from brain rot because there's no good explanation for the illiteracy happening here.
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Post by avamaxstan on May 24, 2024 11:56:36 GMT -5
This has literally never happened. Not once. If you're trying to equate commentary on music forums about variants or motherless children on Twitter being mad about her private jet with World War 2, you need to get outside more. She's never been called a slut relentlessly for having different boyfriends? She's never been called the devil for pOlUtInG the Earth? She's never been called Dracula for not giving away more money when during covid she was contacting random people on Twitter and giving them thousands of dollars to help then? She's never been made fun of for terrible heartbreaks? Yeah, people are more petty to her than anyone.. for no damn reason. Not you citing these minor social media dust-ups as evidence of her life of persecution  And mocking the criticism of her eco-behavior when last year she created more carbon emissions than any other celebrity on the planet. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 24, 2024 13:08:26 GMT -5
^ I was kidding, but I think that’s an older quote from Barbie press. She said the three hour shows are psychotic thing on Stationhead last night: “Doing a 3 hour show.. That's literally psychotic. Nobody wants that. You guys don't want that. I don't want that. I don't even want that as a fan. Even my favorite artists l'm not trying to hear them for 3 hours. That's far too long. That's literally psychotic." Again, I’m not taking any of this seriously. Billie can say/do whatever she wants. Taylor can say/do whatever she wants. I'm just entertained! Welp, at this point, I guess Taylor is going to have a new target 🎯. lol Why Billie continuously keeps making subtle digs directed at Taylor (even before this whole debut debacle) is beyond me (especially when she knows media is constantly looking to pit female artists against each other and Taylor has an eagle eye for criticism lol). Suddenly, I don't feel as bad about Taylor potentially blocking her from debuting at #1. If I was a celebrity and an artist whom I had only had positive things to say about started criticizing me publicly over and over, I wouldn't have consideration for their debut either. 🤷♀️ And I'm not about to say Taylor is a victim in any sense of the word. What I will say is that it is interesting her releasing variants gets this level of vitriol and hate, but meanwhile other pop girls (Ariana, Dua, Billie etc) release many, many variants and it's crickets here: no one bats an eye. Like if we are being honest was Eternal Sunshine's many variants even addressed here? Dua's? Billie certainly isn't getting much of any pushback aside from a poster or two passively mentioning her hypocrisy, but Taylor, what a b**ch. lol I'm entertained, nevertheless! 🤣 |
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 24, 2024 13:20:35 GMT -5
^ I was kidding, but I think that’s an older quote from Barbie press. She said the three hour shows are psychotic thing on Stationhead last night: “Doing a 3 hour show.. That's literally psychotic. Nobody wants that. You guys don't want that. I don't want that. I don't even want that as a fan. Even my favorite artists l'm not trying to hear them for 3 hours. That's far too long. That's literally psychotic." Again, I’m not taking any of this seriously. Billie can say/do whatever she wants. Taylor can say/do whatever she wants. I'm just entertained! Welp, at this point, I guess Taylor is going to have a new target 🎯. lol Why Billie continuously keeps making subtle digs directed at Taylor (even before this whole debut debacle) is beyond me (especially when she knows media is constantly looking to pit female artists against each other). Suddenly, I don't feel as bad about Taylor potentially blocking her from debuting at #1. If I was a celebrity and an artist whom I had only had positive things to say about started criticizing me publicly over and over, I wouldn't have consideration for their debut either. 🤷♀️ And I'm not about to say Taylor is a victim in any sense of the word. What I will say is that it is interesting her releasing variants gets this level of vitriol and hate, but meanwhile other pop girls (Ariana, Dua, Billie etc) release many, many variants and it's crickets here: no one bats an eye. Like if we are being honest was Eternal Sunshine's many variants even addressed here? Dua's? Billie certainly isn't getting much of any pushback, but Taylor, what a b**ch. lol I really don't think it's purely the variants - as you say, everyone is doing it. It's more the sheer volume of them and to an extent, the timing. One thing that doesn't sit right with me is releasing separate versions of the album, each one with a different bonus track, which she has done multiple times at this point for TTPD. That is largely unique to Taylor. I'd have less of a hard time with that if it was, say, an additional variant with a few bonus tracks, another with the phone memos, another with the live performances. Still a bit much, but littering a single extra track across multiple versions of the same album kind of sucks. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 24, 2024 13:43:36 GMT -5
I really don't think it's purely the variants - as you say, everyone is doing it. It's more the sheer volume of them and to an extent, the timing. Maybe so, but I still have trouble discerning the drastic difference in criticism between an artist who releases say 10 variations and an artist who releases 14 variations. Is there a magic number that crosses the line here I'm not aware of, because every artist had way more than a couple? lol As I said before, it seems the anger comes with the fact Taylor is successful at the variant game and has the ability to utilize it to her advantage and chooses to do so. I totally understand this unique take and agree with it. Unfortunately, it isn't the critique most have been outraged over from what I've seen. lol |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on May 24, 2024 13:43:48 GMT -5
Welp, at this point, I guess Taylor is going to have a new target 🎯. lol Why Billie continuously keeps making subtle digs directed at Taylor (even before this whole debut debacle) is beyond me (especially when she knows media is constantly looking to pit female artists against each other). Suddenly, I don't feel as bad about Taylor potentially blocking her from debuting at #1. If I was a celebrity and an artist whom I had only had positive things to say about started criticizing me publicly over and over, I wouldn't have consideration for their debut either. 🤷♀️ And I'm not about to say Taylor is a victim in any sense of the word. What I will say is that it is interesting her releasing variants gets this level of vitriol and hate, but meanwhile other pop girls (Ariana, Dua, Billie etc) release many, many variants and it's crickets here: no one bats an eye. Like if we are being honest was Eternal Sunshine's many variants even addressed here? Dua's? Billie certainly isn't getting much of any pushback, but Taylor, what a b**ch. lol I really don't think it's purely the variants - as you say, everyone is doing it. It's more the sheer volume of them and to an extent, the timing. One thing that doesn't sit right with me is releasing separate versions of the album, each one with a different bonus track, which she has done multiple times at this point for TTPD. That is largely unique to Taylor. I'd have less of a hard time with that if it was, say, an additional variant with a few bonus tracks, another with the phone memos, another with the live performances. Still a bit much, but littering a single extra track across multiple versions of the same album kind of sucks. I appreciate well thought out replies like this, kudos to you. While I still don’t feel the same, at least I can understand your point. I always go back to the fact that it’s a business and a job, and she has an entire label behind her and we don’t know the kinds of plans and demands they make of her releases. I’m sure the label LOVES variants and knows that they will be a cash cow to bring in profits. And they’ll use those profits to further fund MVs, side projects for this era, and other artists. Maybe I’m wrong but the label still takes a cut of the album sales right? Even though Taylor owns her masters I’m assuming they have a stake in it too. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 24, 2024 13:44:43 GMT -5
Not relevant for this thread, but I am not sure where else to put it; I just saw three new digital albums for Taylor's album, each with a live track. Do fans have to purchase all 3 versions of the album to get all 3 live tracks, or can they download the live versions as individual tracks? For just a few hours more, those seem to be exclusive to Taylor's webstore. Once the window of exclusivity is over, she could, in theory, make those live tracks available for individual purchase elsewhere. Although, I would think a new version of the album that includes all 3 tracks seems more likely. |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on May 24, 2024 13:50:12 GMT -5
Not relevant for this thread, but I am not sure where else to put it; I just saw three new digital albums for Taylor's album, each with a live track. Do fans have to purchase all 3 versions of the album to get all 3 live tracks, or can they download the live versions as individual tracks? For just a few hours more, those seem to be exclusive to Taylor's webstore. Once the window of exclusivity is over, she could, in theory, make those live tracks available for individual purchase elsewhere. Although, I would think a new version of the album that includes all 3 tracks seems more likely. Plus let’s not forget it was being sold for $5.99 and it gave people who hadn’t purchased the album an opportunity to buy it on sale. Maybe I’m a bad stan, but this was my first purchase of the album. I’m sure there are people who “need every song off of each variant” but I can’t imagine they are in the majority. People will do what they want with their money even if it means buying the same product. I mean Billie was totally fine with her fan buying 5 copies of her album… I didn’t see that as a problem until she actually told Finneas to stop dissuading them from buying more. At the end of the day you can’t control what fans do and/or if they have bad money management skills 😂 |
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Post by dbhmr on May 24, 2024 14:03:10 GMT -5
I really don't think it's purely the variants - as you say, everyone is doing it. It's more the sheer volume of them and to an extent, the timing. Maybe so, but I still have trouble discerning the drastic difference in criticism between an artist who releases say 10 variations and an artist who releases 14 variations. Is there a magic number that crosses the line here I'm not aware of, because every artist had way more than a couple? lol As I said before, it seems the anger comes with the fact Taylor is successful at the variant game and has the ability to utilize it to her advantage and chooses to do so. I totally understand this unique take and agree with it. Unfortunately, it isn't the critique most have been outraged over from what I've seen. lol I don't think this is a unique take, I think it's exactly what most people are railing against. They just don't include the asterisk of what they mean by "variant" but it's explained about once a page that people are referring to this specific tactic of releasing multiple variants with slightly different track lists or one song that you can't get access to anywhere else but through that variant. It's just a lot to say every time you type "variant" re: Taylor Swift but gives stans (not you) the room the constantly point to other artists who "do the same thing," when it...isn't really the same thing. It's either bad faith or stupidity. |
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