Katy Perry - “Lifetimes”

[mccloud]

Aug 20, 2024 12:05:07 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Aug 20, 2024 10:56:12 GMT -5 mccloud said:

She's been dropping bad to mid singles for the past 7 years and her last album sold 50kfw. Why would they spin it

Everyone deserves a chance!

This couldn't even make the Hot 100. And as far as critical reception it's just super generic house production from 2011 with a looped hook

[shakemaki]

Honestly, CHR was already exceptionally kind to her with the initial chance they gave WW when it was clear instantly the entire casual public said NO. They could’ve been much harsher to it than top 20ish, so no one can really complain about them basically ignoring this one outright since people aren’t here for it either.

[leonagwen]

This is showing up on All Access Spincrease, so this could possibly enter the top 50 next Monday.

[wavey.]

Aug 20, 2024 12:05:07 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Aug 20, 2024 10:56:12 GMT -5 mccloud said:

She's been dropping bad to mid singles for the past 7 years and her last album sold 50kfw. Why would they spin it

Everyone deserves a chance!

Exactly. You get it!

[Choco]

Aug 20, 2024 7:27:28 GMT -5 balletgirlmom said:

#115 Bubbling Under is a start.

When you used to debut at #1 and now you're not even top 10... on the Bubbling under... I'd say that's more likely the end.

[SPRΞΞ]

Aug 20, 2024 10:56:12 GMT -5 mccloud said:

Aug 20, 2024 8:04:36 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Radio needs to put a hand on their conscience and give Katy her spins.

She's been dropping bad to mid singles for the past 7 years and her last album sold 50kfw. Why would they spin it

I want you to list all the singles, not album tracks not pushed by the label, but actual singles of the last 7 years that were all so bad or mid.

[rainie]

Aug 20, 2024 13:36:37 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Aug 20, 2024 10:56:12 GMT -5 mccloud said:

She's been dropping bad to mid singles for the past 7 years and her last album sold 50kfw. Why would they spin it

I want you to list all the singles, not album tracks not pushed by the label, but actual singles of the last 7 years that were all so bad or mid.

i'm not op (and im curious what they'd actually answer for this) but:
chained to the rhythm (probably the closest to "good" here but i'd still only give it like. a 5.5/10)
bon appetit
365
never really over (sorry katy fans, i've never been particularly big on this one)
small talk
daises (trying to launch an era with possibly the most forgettable single of her career was. a choice)
smile
when i'm gone (see: chained to the rhythm -- i think this one could've actually made a minor splash had she had some momentum behind her at the time or if it was given a lead single push)
woman's world
lifetimes

if i forgot any other singles then that's my b -- my point is imho the only good single she's released during that time is swish swish and even that one had some really bad lyrics / was kind of carried by its beat

[Az Paynter]

Aug 20, 2024 13:23:30 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

This is showing up on All Access Spincrease, so this could possibly enter the top 50 next Monday.

Only if it like triples its spin count, and even then it might need to rely on recurrents/purges to get in...

This is picking up very slowly but it's not really picking up any real steam. I don't see this making top 50 by this time next week unless something starts kicking off.

[Love Plastic Love]

I'm still angry they wasted an insanely catchy hook on a half-finished demo sounding song.

[mccloud]

Aug 20, 2024 13:36:37 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Aug 20, 2024 10:56:12 GMT -5 mccloud said:

She's been dropping bad to mid singles for the past 7 years and her last album sold 50kfw. Why would they spin it

I want you to list all the singles, not album tracks not pushed by the label, but actual singles of the last 7 years that were all so bad or mid.

NRO was great but the label bailed on it and tacked it on to an album a year later and Harleys in Hawaii was solid but again, a bonus track basically. Other than that, they've been pretty bad.

[Eqbk]

Gave this a few listens and this is also going to be a no from me. I'm sure there are people who think that this should have been chosen over "Women's World" but they both have similar issues that would have prevented either from smashing.

First, there is of course the fact that Dr. Luke wrote and produced this (why they chose to double down on this is beyond me). I'm not sure what would be considered worse, putting out a girl-power anthem written/produced by an alleged abuser of women or putting out a song about your daughter that is written/produced by an alleged abuser of women. Either way, the optics are not great.

Second, just like WW, "Lifetimes" should have followed the standard structure of a song. It's missing basic parts of a song and it feels incomplete, underdeveloped, and overly repetitive as a result.

Third (and this issue is more specific to this song than WW), this type of song is not in Dr. Luke's wheelhouse. If she's going to put herself through all this trouble by working with Dr. Luke, why would you have him delve into a genre that he is not really an expert in (and likely won't be his best work as a result)? It's honestly not even really Katy's wheelhouse either. Sure there's "Walking on Air" but that song is an outlier in her discography and that song wasn't produced by Dr. Luke. It's baffling that the song chosen to essentially reverse course is in a genre that neither Luke nor Katy are known to be particularly good at.

[SPRΞΞ]

Now I like both WW and Lifetimes, but I have to agree with those that basically say Katy Perry can no longer release the standard “Katy Perry brand” music anymore. It will flop.

But then I think she can but it has to be updated to 2024, it’s just that old cliches were used. If Meghan Trainor can have success (with an updated sound), then so can Katy.

She needs to ditch Capitol and stop with the Roar remakes and come up with something current.

Watch there be 4 current songs on 143 and they ignored them all.

[GW]

I can appreciate her going with the dancy summer anthem vibe of the first two releases but I think there were a couple other snippets that would have been better options to kick off this 2024 era. maybe one of them can still salvage this era. I wish the best for the legends, always.

I suspect the next song with a radio push will drop on the 30th or 9/6 at the latest? I'm not expecting all the hate to turn into love, but the right song could turn things around, even on a moderate-hit level.

[leonagwen]

Got 2 Pop adds today SPRΞΞ!

[SPRΞΞ]

Aug 20, 2024 20:58:17 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Got 2 Pop adds today SPRΞΞ!

still not officially a single in my eyes.

[Az Paynter]

And this is where the mock-ups make it near impossible to judge; when there's not enough momentum that stations keep falling off Starters/Leaders it's a sign the needle isn't moving very much if at all.

POP (MOCK-UP):
?? ?? KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 89 27 72 0.075

-5 Spins
-3 Bullet
+0.006 Audience

HOT AC:
78 50 KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 87 12 75 0.158

+2 Spins
-7 Bullet
+0.013 Audience

[SPRΞΞ]

The 8th day effect!

[Ivy Leegue™]

This song is so silly and cute! It sounded really good in the VMA commercial.

[SPRΞΞ]

Aug 20, 2024 18:06:47 GMT -5 Eqbk said:

It's honestly not even really Katy's wheelhouse either. Sure there's "Walking on Air" but that song is an outlier in her discography and that song wasn't produced by Dr. Luke. It's baffling that the song chosen to essentially reverse course is in a genre that neither Luke nor Katy are known to be particularly good at.

365 and When I'm Gone are great imo. Plus non-singles like Teary Eyes, International Smile, maybe even Roulette. I think the genre serves her well, Lifetimes just needed to be a complete song. Or at least have a strong verse to compensate for the looped chorus.

honestly, I'd take a whole album of 365's.

[Eqbk]

Aug 21, 2024 17:40:05 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Aug 20, 2024 18:06:47 GMT -5 Eqbk said:

It's honestly not even really Katy's wheelhouse either. Sure there's "Walking on Air" but that song is an outlier in her discography and that song wasn't produced by Dr. Luke. It's baffling that the song chosen to essentially reverse course is in a genre that neither Luke nor Katy are known to be particularly good at.

365 and When I'm Gone are great imo. Plus non-singles like Teary Eyes, International Smile, maybe even Roulette. I think the genre serves her well, Lifetimes just needed to be a complete song. Or at least have a strong verse to compensate for the looped chorus.

honestly, I'd take a whole album of 365's.

That's sort of my point. Almost all those songs you listed were not produced by Dr. Luke (and "International Smile" is my least favorite of those you listed). She can sometimes excel in this space but needs the right producers who can help her properly navigate since this isn't her specialty. She's certainly not bad when she decides to dabble in it, but it's not her forte and she needs the proper help for her shine in these type of songs.

That's partly why "Lifetimes" doesn't measure up. It's a song where neither the singer nor main producer are particularly adept at this genre and the song does suffer for it.

[ObhiDonna]

I am seeing a clip from Katy’s interview On Air with Ryan, where she says something like “All my songs are controversial” etc. But the way she said it and the hosts laughing at it felt like she was pretty much aware of people dragging her to filth for working with Puke, but at the same time she’s doubling down.

[Az Paynter]

There's a smattering of stations that showed up on Starters today. We'll see i that's something or just a syndicated airplay spot.

POP (MOCK-UP):
?? ?? KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 104 31 73 0.098

+15 Spins
+11 Bullet
+0.023 Audience

HOT AC:
71 50 KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 93 18 75 0.181

+6 Spins
= Bullet
+0.023 Audience

[Carlitoz]

Yesterday I read some rumours of Katy perhaps working with Charli XCX apparently based on pictures of both wearing the same t-shirt...
I did see Katy in an interview a couple of weeks ago praising Charli so much.

If it is true, not sure yet if it's a good move. Hopefully the song is irresistible. BUT wouldn't it look desperate and trying to jump so quick onto Charli's cool successful bandwagon??

For somebody who has been following pop divas since the 80s, I've seen the decline of so many when they turn certain age and when there are so many other new younger divas looking and sounding WAY COOLER than you. I liked Katy's last album even if it wasn't commercially successful. I think her two new singles of subpar quality and sound dated. How couldn't her label and Katy herself see this!?!?? And of course there's the Dr. Luke controversy. But do you think also pop listeners kids in their 20s or teen years look at her as old already and simply not cool anymore. Working for talent shows I doubt helped that image. If they adore Charli XCX and Chappell Roan, I don't see them paying much attention to somebody like Katy regardless of how successful she was in the past.

Yes, of course there are some exceptions here and there of pop airplay longevity, but certainly not everybody is a P!nk for example. Perhaps the RIGHT song comes along and things get better for Katy... We'll see with the third single. And let's see how her album and her tour sales perform.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

there's a possibility it's a remix for Charli's 'Apple'.

I don't think it's desperate, idk, Katy supported Charli before it was cool.

[wjr15]

An ‘Apple’ remix with Katy isn’t far fetched. Both artists like each other and Charli seems to be adding a pop girl onto a remix of each of her Brat songs. That said, I’ll believe it when I see it.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

I don't personally think it's desperate, but we absolutely know given Katy's current negative image that's exactly what the press/people will be saying if she does collab with Charlie. Double-edged sword. Hopefully if she does the song is so good it drowns out any criticism!

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Aug 22, 2024 11:35:25 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I don't personally think it's desperate, but we absolutely know given Katy's current negative image that's exactly what the press/people will be saying if she does collab with Charlie. Double-edged sword. Hopefully if she does the song is so good it drowns out any criticism!

yeah, it'll be fun on Twitter if that happens, Katy doing everything wrong with her era vs Charli everything right, on one song.

[collin]

There is no way that’s happening, sorry.

[Choco]

That would be the fastest way for Charli to kill Apple and BRAT SUMMER.

[#LisaRinna]

YAS Katy get that engine going!