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Post by clsvltn on Aug 15, 2024 21:44:59 GMT -5
There must be a lot of fan overlap between her and Chappell. Not so sure many fans are itching to support Taylor this time. For someone who already has 83 weeks on top and 14 with this album, taking it away with another completely manufactured week from someone who has none yet, and another female at that who is rising completely organically. It's kind of mind-boggling and twisted how someone would root for that, especially admitting to liking both artists. It is just mind blowing how people are willing to drop so much money week after week for minimal changes lol |
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Post by avamaxstan on Aug 15, 2024 22:03:28 GMT -5
Because it’s probably for her next project. Midwest Princess is comprised of songs recorded and released from 2019-2023 and GLB doesn’t fit aesthetically. Also tacking random singles onto old albums to boost streaming (aka pulling a Dua) is sort of embarrassing, Chappell seems to be about art before the charts. I mean, I don’t see how it’s embarrassing? She is blowing up and GLB has been out for months without any new album being announced. As far as the public is concerned, it’s part of the same package as her album in terms of being one of many songs of hers blowing up simultaneously. If I were her I’d be saying, “hey GLB is part of this amazing wave of interest, let’s plan a different new song to be the start of the next era so it feels like a true next chapter.” But maybe that’s the chart nerd in me just wishing she could capitalize more on this moment to land a #1 album. She's going to have a #1 album anyway without needing to add extra tracks :) |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 16, 2024 4:55:25 GMT -5
There must be a lot of fan overlap between her and Chappell. Not so sure many fans are itching to support Taylor this time. For someone who already has 83 weeks on top and 14 with this album, taking it away with another completely manufactured week from someone who has none yet, and another female at that who is rising completely organically. It's kind of mind-boggling and twisted how someone would root for that, especially admitting to liking both artists. People are really invested in this whole variant business for whatever reason, but never have criticisms or as much disdain for other popular acts taking advantage of them. One might say it's because Taylor utilizes the practice far more often, but in reality that's only because she can successfully whereas most others cannot (not because they wouldn't). I don't know why we're acting like labels utilizing every completely legitimate and legal music practice to support and sell their artist's product in a market of dwindling returns is somehow a personal affront to the artist who it outsells, particularly when Taylor and Chappell have no known issues. People should be upset with Billboard for allowing the practice as opposed to the artists who use it. Taylor isn't targeting Chappell because she has some personal motivation to stunt her success or some personal vendetta imo. It's just about the timing, prioritizing, and maximizing of her own work first and foremost (as I would hope every artist would want to do). I personally 100% believe she has a goal with the #1 weeks of this album and it is to exceed 20, surpassing Wallen and for the longer aim to bolster her stats on the all-time list (as I genuinely believe she's aiming to be the "biggest" artist of all time domestically when it's all said and done, stats-wise). The longer this album is out , the less chance it has to aquire weeks at the summit, so the time is now. Further, Chappell isn't exempt from utilizing the very same practices and she is from what I've been seeing. She can absolutely outsell Taylor if her momentum is stronger, so the opportunities are equal and personally I find it more interesting to follow. It's the competition of business. And it's not as if Taylor isn't within striking distance of the top spot without the variants, if anything they're insurance and at least these variants have some professionally recorded really good live performances, which are far more valuable I believe to most fans than some other "extras" she has released. lol At the end of the day it's still people consuming the most of whatever product that will make the album hit the top. Personally I love Chappell and everything she's about and hope she bests Taylor (for at least one week) should Taylor continue this trend, as I love her and her album is fantastic. With that said, I don't really care nor am invested enough to be bothered if neither get another or their first #1 week; it's doing nothing for me personally. I think everyone and Taylor knows it's just a matter of time before Chappell takes over, variants or not. Do I see why some people feel Taylor releasing so many variants is annoying? Absolutely. It comes across as greedy and selfish. A billionaire acting like a billionaire (and I always said and stick by the notion there are zero genuinely great people who are billionaires, Taylor included). I can absolutely see why it's off-putting, I just don't think it's wrong or unfair if that makes sense. I might be inclined to feel it were more so wrong or off-putting if TTPD weren't already contending for the top for the most part without the variants (as it would feel to me like more of an inaccurate representation) and as I recently accounted for Taylor would have secured 12 of her first 14 weeks at #1 without the release of additional variants post-debut week, so her topping another week doesn't seem unjustfied. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Aug 16, 2024 7:03:12 GMT -5
There must be a lot of fan overlap between her and Chappell. Not so sure many fans are itching to support Taylor this time. For someone who already has 83 weeks on top and 14 with this album, taking it away with another completely manufactured week from someone who has none yet, and another female at that who is rising completely organically. It's kind of mind-boggling and twisted how someone would root for that, especially admitting to liking both artists. Lol you do know that TS was already ahead by 5k right. People like you have very little care or (ability to discern) what’s factual and what’s fictional - and that is the exact reason why I’ve come to realize that TS should absolutely positively not hold back in releasing variants, because it’s not like when she doesn’t drop one, then folks like you who follows this stuff would have the acuity (or just the integrity) to acknowledge as such. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Aug 16, 2024 7:24:27 GMT -5
Anyhow, I’m predicting that chapel’s units will rise from the initial predicted 70k up to 73-75k, but is not due to her actual listeners knowing or caring about the chart stuff. Rather, it is the work of a whole merry band of obsessed TS haters ranging across half dozen different fanbases of various artists, trying to use chapel to deny TS this week.
Which is why TS has definitely made the correct move by dropping a variant at the last second. It’s to Not block chapel’s intriguing rise. It is solely to deny the efforts of the whiny haters.
If you think about it - the TS haters, through their attempt to use chapel as a tool to block TS, they have inadvertently made chapel a legitimate target for phone memos. Ironic.
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Post by PerPlexied on Aug 16, 2024 8:31:52 GMT -5
There must be a lot of fan overlap between her and Chappell. Not so sure many fans are itching to support Taylor this time. For someone who already has 83 weeks on top and 14 with this album, taking it away with another completely manufactured week from someone who has none yet, and another female at that who is rising completely organically. It's kind of mind-boggling and twisted how someone would root for that, especially admitting to liking both artists. People are really invested in this whole variant business for whatever reason, but never have criticisms or as much disdain for other popular acts taking advantage of them. One might say it's because Taylor utilizes the practice far more often, but in reality that's only because she can successfully whereas most others cannot (not because they wouldn't). I don't know why we're acting like labels utilizing every completely legitimate and legal music practice to support and sell their artist's product in a market of dwindling returns is somehow a personal affront to the artist who it outsells, particularly when Taylor and Chappell have no known issues. People should be upset with Billboard for allowing the practice as opposed to the artists who use it. Taylor isn't targeting Chappell because she has some personal motivation to stunt her success or some personal vendetta imo. It's just about the timing, prioritizing, and maximizing of her own work first and foremost (as I would hope every artist would want to do). I personally 100% believe she has a goal with the #1 weeks of this album and it is to exceed 20, surpassing Wallen and for the longer aim to bolster her stats on the all-time list (as I genuinely believe she's aiming to be the "biggest" artist of all time domestically when it's all said and done, stats-wise). The longer this album is out , the less chance it has to aquire weeks at the summit, so the time is now. Further, Chappell isn't exempt from utilizing the very same practices and she is from what I've been seeing. She can absolutely outsell Taylor if her momentum is stronger, so the opportunities are equal and personally I find it more interesting to follow. It's the competition of business. And it's not as if Taylor isn't within striking distance of the top spot without the variants, if anything they're insurance and at least these variants have some professionally recorded really good live performances, which are far more valuable I believe to most fans than some other "extras" she has released. lol At the end of the day it's still people consuming the most of whatever product that will make the album hit the top. Personally I love Chappell and everything she's about and hope she bests Taylor (for at least one week) should Taylor continue this trend, as I love her and her album is fantastic. With that said, I don't really care nor am invested enough to be bothered if neither get another or their first #1 week; it's doing nothing for me personally. I think everyone and Taylor knows it's just a matter of time before Chappell takes over, variants or not. Do I see why some people feel Taylor releasing so many variants is annoying? Absolutely. It comes across as greedy and selfish. A billionaire acting like a billionaire (and I always said and stick by the notion there are zero genuinely great people who are billionaires, Taylor included). I can absolutely see why it's off-putting, I just don't think it's wrong or unfair if that makes sense. I might be inclined to feel it were more so wrong or off-putting if TTPD weren't already contending for the top for the most part without the variants (as it would feel to me like more of an inaccurate representation) and as I recently accounted for Taylor would have secured 12 of her first 14 weeks at #1 without the release of additional variants post-debut week, so her topping another week doesn't seem unjustfied. I think the problem is the album continues to grow and Hot to Go is just now going to blow up. She's definitely having champagne problems trying to figure out when and how she launches her sophomore album. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 16, 2024 9:02:51 GMT -5
There must be a lot of fan overlap between her and Chappell. Not so sure many fans are itching to support Taylor this time. For someone who already has 83 weeks on top and 14 with this album, taking it away with another completely manufactured week from someone who has none yet, and another female at that who is rising completely organically. It's kind of mind-boggling and twisted how someone would root for that, especially admitting to liking both artists. People are really invested in this whole variant business for whatever reason, but never have criticisms or as much disdain for other popular acts taking advantage of them. Name even one other artist who has had this many variants for this many albums, and who has released them in so many different weeks (i.e. not just a debut week or one strategic week). |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Aug 16, 2024 9:24:19 GMT -5
People are really invested in this whole variant business for whatever reason, but never have criticisms or as much disdain for other popular acts taking advantage of them. Name even one other artist who has had this many variants for this many albums, and who has released them in so many different weeks (i.e. not just a debut week or one strategic week). LOL. billie had 4+ variants for her debut. kanye just released 7 variants with a bonus track each last last week to try and go for the #1. ariana released the record number of remixes for her latest single. beyonce also had multiple variants for her cowboy debut, just to name a few. all of them would have dropped more if they actually have pull to go beyond just week one, but their fanbases arent strong enough. the fact that T swift has the pull and stardom to achieve it, is an achievement in of itself. idk why theres so much crying about this tbh. shes the bigger star, better seller, and has a more successful career. deal with it. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 16, 2024 9:27:33 GMT -5
Name even one other artist who has had this many variants for this many albums, and who has released them in so many different weeks (i.e. not just a debut week or one strategic week). LOL. billie had 4+ variants for her debut. kanye just released 7 variants with a bonus track each last last week to try and go for the #1. ariana released the record number of remixes for her latest single. beyonce also had multiple variants for her cowboy debut, just to name a few. all of them would have dropped more if they actually have pull to go beyond just week one, but their fanbases arent strong enough. the fact that T swift has the pull and stardom to achieve it, is an achievement in of itself. idk why theres so much crying about this tbh. shes the bigger star, better seller, and has a more successful career. deal with it. So, in other words nothing you wrote related to my post. I respectfully ask that you don't quote me in future posts if you aren't going to write something relevant to it. Thank you. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Aug 16, 2024 9:36:08 GMT -5
LOL. billie had 4+ variants for her debut. kanye just released 7 variants with a bonus track each last last week to try and go for the #1. ariana released the record number of remixes for her latest single. beyonce also had multiple variants for her cowboy debut, just to name a few. all of them would have dropped more if they actually have pull to go beyond just week one, but their fanbases arent strong enough. the fact that T swift has the pull and stardom to achieve it, is an achievement in of itself. idk why theres so much crying about this tbh. shes the bigger star, better seller, and has a more successful career. deal with it. So, in other words nothing you wrote related to my post. I respectfully ask that you don't quote me in future posts if you aren't going to write something relevant to it. Thank you. another clear example of a "person" who couldnt read past the first sentence or comprehend someone's point and argument i see. sucks to be this dense, just glad i have a few more brain cells than this example of failed reading comprehension lol. |
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Post by iHype. on Aug 16, 2024 9:45:35 GMT -5
I can’t help but also feel like GLB should be a Midwest Princess bonus track at this point.
“Hot To Go” is being pushed as a single right after, AND she can also still push “Red Wine Supernova” and “Pink Pony” at this point. The Midwest era can honestly go on for another 6 months to 1 year. When you have 5~ songs casually charting weekly from an album it makes zero sense to move on from that album and try to do another. At that point you’re trying to kill your own hype from Midwest to start another era so you’re not competing with too many songs from yourself. Best bet is to ride the Midwest era out for the foreseeable future.
If she continues to fully push the Midwest era, then almost a year later starting a new era and making it seem like GLB was apart of the new era is a head scratcher. For all purposes GLB was tied to this Midwest era discovery, it went directly with the album coming into mainstream success.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Aug 16, 2024 9:48:31 GMT -5
So, in other words nothing you wrote related to my post. I respectfully ask that you don't quote me in future posts if you aren't going to write something relevant to it. Thank you. another clear example of a "person" who couldnt read past the first sentence or comprehend someone's point and argument i see. sucks to be this dense, just glad i have a few more brain cells than this example of failed reading comprehension lol. Is there a reason your posts are always so rude, confrontational and insulting? Consistently calling people stupid, dense, dimwitted, cretins, etc. You really need to adjust the way you talk to people around here. There are ways to get your point across without being abusive. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 16, 2024 9:50:15 GMT -5
So, in other words nothing you wrote related to my post. I respectfully ask that you don't quote me in future posts if you aren't going to write something relevant to it. Thank you. another clear example of a "person" who couldnt read past the first sentence or comprehend someone's point and argument i see. sucks to be this dense, just glad i have a few more brain cells than this example of failed reading comprehension lol. The facts are that I replied to someone (not you) who noted other acts don't receive the same disdain. My reply was a way of responding to that by noting it's because no other act has as many variants as Swift, so therefore it's pretty understandable why she would receive more disdain. I asked for that poster to name anyone else with as many variants. You then chose to reply to insert yourself into it by responding to me by providing irrelevant examples and then a hypothetical, none of which is naming someone else with as many variants. |
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Post by musiclife on Aug 16, 2024 10:04:06 GMT -5
Chappell dropped a varient yesterday too. Any idea when those ship?
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Post by iHype. on Aug 16, 2024 10:27:46 GMT -5
another clear example of a "person" who couldnt read past the first sentence or comprehend someone's point and argument i see. sucks to be this dense, just glad i have a few more brain cells than this example of failed reading comprehension lol. Is there a reason your posts are always so rude, confrontational and insulting? Consistently calling people stupid, dense, dimwitted, cretins, etc. You really need to adjust the way you talk to people around here. There are ways to get your point across without being abusive. Why exactly are they not banned yet to be frank. Trying to refer to people as not being humans because they don’t share the same opinion on charts (and they’ve done this shtick multiple times now) is someone who clearly doesn’t need to be discussing charts. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 16, 2024 11:24:36 GMT -5
Chappell dropped a varient yesterday too. Any idea when those ship? Is that the deluxe vinyl? Says around August 19. |
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Post by bboat11 on Aug 16, 2024 11:26:54 GMT -5
Is there a reason your posts are always so rude, confrontational and insulting? Consistently calling people stupid, dense, dimwitted, cretins, etc. You really need to adjust the way you talk to people around here. There are ways to get your point across without being abusive. Why exactly are they not banned yet to be frank. Trying to refer to people as not being humans because they don’t share the same opinion on charts (and they’ve done this shtick multiple times now) is someone who clearly doesn’t need to be discussing charts. Because there's a process that has to be followed, and it takes a little bit of time. Warnings come before suspensions. Suspensions come before bans. And sometimes when someone gets a few warnings and a suspension, they don't learn their lesson and immediately start attacking people again upon their return.... Which may make it seem like nothing is being done, when in reality they're just carving their own headstone so that the rest of the process goes more smoothly! ;) |
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Post by imbuemyblue on Aug 16, 2024 11:35:39 GMT -5
I think the variants are tacky AF, but I think at this point it's also clear that it's not personal. She's going to continue releasing them featuring the live mashups as they happen, regardless of who she is blocking.
I also hope Chappell gets the #1 and agree with others who think GLB belongs in this era. Sure, it's a bit different sonically, but if it's just a bonus track, who cares? Get that #1, juice your sales, etc. I think it would be very weird to have a months old song heralding a new era when, as has been said before, this one has *tons* of steam left.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Aug 16, 2024 12:06:33 GMT -5
Calvin Harris released an album of songs released during the past 8 years, Chappell can definitely save GLB for the sophomore album.
Chappell's debut album blew up very late, half a dozen songs or so are blowing up on streaming at the same time and there is no way her label can push all of those to radio. There will be a single or two from the debut pushed to radio and then they will move on to the sophomore album once the debut slows down. I expect the second single from the sophomore album in early 2025.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Aug 16, 2024 12:27:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I think once "Hot To Go" finishes it's run this fall (and those well streaming album tracks taper off through the holidays), she'll have her next new single and new album ready to go first quarter. She can tack "GLB" on that.
She's no doubt gonna be a big name at the Grammy's this year, great launching pad for the second album.
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Post by 85la on Aug 16, 2024 12:34:53 GMT -5
There must be a lot of fan overlap between her and Chappell. Not so sure many fans are itching to support Taylor this time. For someone who already has 83 weeks on top and 14 with this album, taking it away with another completely manufactured week from someone who has none yet, and another female at that who is rising completely organically. It's kind of mind-boggling and twisted how someone would root for that, especially admitting to liking both artists. People are really invested in this whole variant business for whatever reason, but never have criticisms or as much disdain for other popular acts taking advantage of them. One might say it's because Taylor utilizes the practice far more often, but in reality that's only because she can successfully whereas most others cannot (not because they wouldn't). I don't know why we're acting like labels utilizing every completely legitimate and legal music practice to support and sell their artist's product in a market of dwindling returns is somehow a personal affront to the artist who it outsells, particularly when Taylor and Chappell have no known issues. People should be upset with Billboard for allowing the practice as opposed to the artists who use it. Taylor isn't targeting Chappell because she has some personal motivation to stunt her success or some personal vendetta imo. It's just about the timing, prioritizing, and maximizing of her own work first and foremost (as I would hope every artist would want to do). I personally 100% believe she has a goal with the #1 weeks of this album and it is to exceed 20, surpassing Wallen and for the longer aim to bolster her stats on the all-time list (as I genuinely believe she's aiming to be the "biggest" artist of all time domestically when it's all said and done, stats-wise). The longer this album is out , the less chance it has to aquire weeks at the summit, so the time is now. Further, Chappell isn't exempt from utilizing the very same practices and she is from what I've been seeing. She can absolutely outsell Taylor if her momentum is stronger, so the opportunities are equal and personally I find it more interesting to follow. It's the competition of business. And it's not as if Taylor isn't within striking distance of the top spot without the variants, if anything they're insurance and at least these variants have some professionally recorded really good live performances, which are far more valuable I believe to most fans than some other "extras" she has released. lol At the end of the day it's still people consuming the most of whatever product that will make the album hit the top. Personally I love Chappell and everything she's about and hope she bests Taylor (for at least one week) should Taylor continue this trend, as I love her and her album is fantastic. With that said, I don't really care nor am invested enough to be bothered if neither get another or their first #1 week; it's doing nothing for me personally. I think everyone and Taylor knows it's just a matter of time before Chappell takes over, variants or not. Do I see why some people feel Taylor releasing so many variants is annoying? Absolutely. It comes across as greedy and selfish. A billionaire acting like a billionaire (and I always said and stick by the notion there are zero genuinely great people who are billionaires, Taylor included). I can absolutely see why it's off-putting, I just don't think it's wrong or unfair if that makes sense. I might be inclined to feel it were more so wrong or off-putting if TTPD weren't already contending for the top for the most part without the variants (as it would feel to me like more of an inaccurate representation) and as I recently accounted for Taylor would have secured 12 of her first 14 weeks at #1 without the release of additional variants post-debut week, so her topping another week doesn't seem unjustfied. So, a couple more things I'll point out and then I'll let this go (interesting how you say "you don't care" much about the topic but then you write all of that, but whatever...). How do you feel about BTS's manipulation of charts, when that was still possible? Isn't it the same idea, even if they were farther away from #1 than Taylor without the mass-buying? They and their fans were doing everything allowed within Billboard's rules, nothing illegitimate or illegal (for the most part, the possible foreign transfer of funds and foreign purchases notwithstanding). And then, what about the whole issue of Scooter Braun buying Taylor's masters itself? He was just another fellow "billionaire" (or multi-millionaire at least) trying to do what he could in his best interests to further embolden his empire and line his pockets. Everything he did was legal, even if not the most ethical, and Taylor was never entitled to ever own her own masters, as no recording artist is, and this was something that was in her recording contract and that she signed off on from the very beginning with Big Machine. |
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Post by 85la on Aug 16, 2024 12:41:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I think once "Hot To Go" finishes it's run this fall (and those well streaming album tracks taper off through the holidays), she'll have her next new single and new album ready to go first quarter. She can tack "GLB" on that. She's no doubt gonna be a big name at the Grammy's this year, great launching pad for the second album. The more I think about it, I don't think they should "rush through" Midwest Princess. In fact they should give it all the time it needs, and tack on GLB to it if need be. For the debut album from a virtually unknown artist to rise organically to #3 WITH NO singles from it being properly pushed yet, that is a rare, rare phenomenon, a gift they should not squander. The project has at least two more big singles from it that they could fully push well into next year, and if they are to hedge their bets, the odds are that her second album won't do as well, so might as well make the most of this while it lasts. |
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Post by Ling-Ling on Aug 16, 2024 12:51:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I think once "Hot To Go" finishes it's run this fall (and those well streaming album tracks taper off through the holidays), she'll have her next new single and new album ready to go first quarter. She can tack "GLB" on that. She's no doubt gonna be a big name at the Grammy's this year, great launching pad for the second album. The more I think about it, I don't think they should "rush through" Midwest Princess. In fact they should give it all the time it needs, and tack on GLB to it if need be. For the debut album from a virtually unknown artist to rise organically to #3 WITH NO singles from it being properly pushed yet, that is a rare, rare phenomenon, a gift they should not squander. The project has at least two more big singles from it that they could fully push well into next year, and if they are to hedge their bets, the odds are that her second album won't do as well, so might as well make the most of this while it lasts. The problem with that is all the hits on the album are already streaming well. If they take that route, by the time "Hot To Go" is finished months from now, they might struggle landing a hit with consumption already over-saturated. Of course, anything can happen, another track could go viral or something months from now. But that's a bigger gamble than letting "HTG" run it's course and launching the second single from the new album around the Grammy's. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 16, 2024 13:44:56 GMT -5
Name even one other artist who has had this many variants for this many albums, and who has released them in so many different weeks (i.e. not just a debut week or one strategic week). Reading comprehension is key, as always Jenglisbe. I clearly already touched on this if you actually read what I wrote literally just below what you purposefully cropped, as I knew instantly this is where people, like you, were going to head toward. I said she releases far more variants because she can do so successfully, unlike other artists. Name another singular artist currently who even could substantially benefit from continual variant releases? Practically none. Taylor is one of the few, if not the only who has both a large enough and dedicated enough fanbase to utilize variants in this manner. Just because most can't, doesn't mean they wouldn't. (interesting how you say "you don't care" much about the topic but then you write all of that, but whatever...). Meaning I am not emotionally invested in variants like some. It doesn't "upset" or "anger" or "enrage" or even "frustrate" me that artists release album variants, not that I'm unwilling to have a conversation about the topic generally. :) I have to laugh to myself, because I knew these two exact examples would be hedged in retort to what I wrote, which is why I already touched on one rebuttal near the end of my original post. It's predictable. First of all, the vital differences you readily mentioned and tried to trivialize between this situation and the BTS situation, namely fans arguably circumventing Billboard rules and regulations and them being nowhere near the pole position without those inarguably wrong fan-driven mass buying/gifting scenarios that were going on unlike TTPD which wouldve retained 12 out of its 14 weeks at #1 even without all these excess variants post debut week and the fact Taylor nor her team ever broke or attempted to circumvent a single rule in place make these two situations quite different in my eyes and incomparable. You're directly trying to equate a hijacking of the Billboard charts by a fanbase using tactics that circumvent rules and an artist releasing extras for fans to purchase all well within Billboard's standard rules, regulations, and practices. People are acting as if Taylor is fraudulently collecting #1s when she's breaking no rules and 90% of her weeks at the top were secured even without the excess variants anyway. lol Furthermore, I know people love to lump Swifities together as one entity, but your entire Scooter Braun argument is moot with me, because I was never a Swifitie who argued it was wrong in a practical sense. The only remarks I made about it were that I could understand her personal connection to its sale and anguish at the betrayal of someone who considered her a daughter and she another father figure, selling her life's work specifically to a man he knew publicly bullied and was her enemy more or less giving him control of her work in perpetuity. He had every right to sell the masters he owned and wasn't wrong in doing so. I just understood her feelings and felt they were justified. Just as if I could empathize with Chappell if say she and Taylor were close friends and Taylor dropped variants this week despite knowing her close friend was vying for her very first week at the top, even though the action itself wouldn't be inherently wrong, I could understand the personal conflictions at play. However unlike with the Braun situation, there is no personal element or component or link to the two people in this week's situation. It's just not wrong in my eyes in either context. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 16, 2024 14:17:41 GMT -5
I mean butter had zero weeks in the Spotify top ten
Dynamite had two weeks
Their other number ones had zero weeks
So not the same thing, no
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 16, 2024 15:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by strongerq on Aug 16, 2024 15:57:41 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming| LW | TW | Artist | Title | Label | Total | Change | Albums | TEA | SEA | | 1 | 1 | TAYLOR SWIFT | THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 84,805 | -40% | 28,003 | 334 | 56,469 | | 4 | 2 | CHAPPELL ROAN | THE RISE AND FALL OF A MIDWEST PRINCESS | ISLAND (UMG) | 70,885 | 14% | 13,719 | 756 | 56,409 | | 3 | 3 | MORGAN WALLEN | ONE THING AT A TIME | BIG LOUD/MERCURY/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 62,187 | -1% | 1,919 | 621 | 59,647 | | 6 | 4 | BILLIE EILISH | HIT ME HARD AND SOFT | DARKROOM/INTERSCOPE (UMG) | 56,027 | 0% | 9,017 | 1,078 | 45,932 | | 7 | 5 | ZACH BRYAN | THE GREAT AMERICAN BAR SCENE | WARNER (WMG) | 47,891 | -6% | 611 | 541 | 46,738 | | 5 | 6 | CHARLI XCX | BRAT | ATLANTIC (WMG) | 47,333 | -16% | 5,935 | 384 | 41,014 | | 10 | 7 | NOAH KAHAN | STICK SEASON | MERCURY/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 37,800 | 3% | 3,413 | 227 | 34,160 | | 9 | 8 | MORGAN WALLEN | DANGEROUS: THE DOUBLE ALBUM | BIG LOUD/MERCURY/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 37,503 | 2% | 455 | 250 | 36,797 | | 8 | 9 | TWISTERS: THE ALBUM | SOUNDTRACK | ATLANTIC (WMG) | 34,453 | -8% | 5,473 | 999 | 27,981 | | 13 | 10 | ZACH BRYAN | ZACH BRYAN | WARNER (WMG) | 32,775 | 5% | 2,559 | 211 | 30,006 | | 15 | 11 | SZA | SOS | TDE/RCA (SME) | 29,637 | 1% | 1,930 | 98 | 27,609 | | 14 | 12 | SHABOOZEY | WHERE I'VE BEEN, ISN'T WHERE I'M GOING | AMERICAN DOGWOOD/EMPIRE (EMPIRE) | 29,196 | -3% | 868 | 1,402 | 26,926 | | 16 | 13 | PESO PLUMA | EXODO | DOUBLE P (THE ORCHARD) | 29,158 | 0% | 48 | 53 | 29,058 | | -- | 14 | LATTO | SUGAR HONEY ICED TEA | STREAMCUT/RCA (SME) | 29,096 | -- | 2,219 | 334 | 26,544 | | 18 | 15 | ZACH BRYAN | AMERICAN HEARTBREAK | WARNER (WMG) | 28,725 | 3% | 923 | 236 | 27,566 | | 11 | 16 | EMINEM | THE DEATH OF SLIM SHADY (COUP DE GRACE) | SHADY/AFTERMATH/INTERSCOPE (UMG) | 28,045 | -22% | 1,148 | 399 | 26,497 | | 17 | 17 | POST MALONE | THE DIAMOND COLLECTION | MERCURY/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 26,530 | -5% | 240 | 234 | 26,057 | | 2 | 18 | KANYE WEST & TY DOLLA SIGN | VULTURES 2 | YZY (INDIE) | 25,726 | -69% | 3,138 | 88 | 22,499 | | 19 | 19 | TAYLOR SWIFT | LOVER | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 25,077 | -1% | 3,715 | 261 | 21,101 | | 20 | 20 | BENSON BOONE | FIREWORKS & ROLLERBLADES | NIGHT STREET/WARNER (WMG) | 24,365 | -2% | 1,216 | 502 | 22,647 | | 21 | 21 | TAYLOR SWIFT | FOLKLORE | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 24,146 | -4% | 3,700 | 283 | 20,163 | | 12 | 22 | STRAY KIDS | ATE | JYP/VMG/IMPERIAL/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 23,714 | -25% | 19,083 | 63 | 4,568 | | -- | 23 | POLO G | HOOD POET | COLUMBIA (SME) | 23,601 | -- | 2,764 | 258 | 20,579 | | 22 | 24 | FUTURE & METRO BOOMIN | WE DON'T TRUST YOU | BOOMINATI/FREEBANDZ/REPUBLIC/EPIC (UMG/SME) | 23,279 | -2% | 319 | 75 | 22,886 | | -- | 25 | THE KID LAROI | THE FIRST TIME | COLUMBIA (SME) | 21,876 | -- | 32 | 79 | 21,765 | | 23 | 26 | OLIVIA RODRIGO | GUTS | GEFFEN (UMG) | 21,561 | -3% | 3,009 | 87 | 18,465 | | 24 | 27 | LUKE COMBS | THIS ONE'S FOR YOU | RIVER HOUSE/COLUMBIA NASHVILLE (SME) | 21,381 | 1% | 385 | 130 | 20,866 | | 25 | 28 | TAYLOR SWIFT | MIDNIGHTS | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 20,882 | 0% | 3,022 | 167 | 17,694 | | 26 | 29 | TAYLOR SWIFT | 1989 (TAYLOR'S VERSION) | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 20,513 | 0% | 4,033 | 149 | 16,330 | | 29 | 30 | TEDDY SWIMS | I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING BUT THERAPY (PART 1) | WARNER (WMG) | 19,587 | 2% | 1,644 | 767 | 17,176 | | 28 | 31 | GRACIE ABRAMS | THE SECRET OF US | INTERSCOPE (UMG) | 18,926 | -2% | 2,400 | 86 | 16,440 | | 31 | 32 | BAD BUNNY | UN VERANO SIN TI | RIMAS (THE ORCHARD) | 18,922 | 0% | 126 | 40 | 18,756 | | 32 | 33 | CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL | CHRONICLE: THE 20 GREATEST HITS | FANTASY (UMG) | 18,781 | 1% | 1,899 | 217 | 16,665 | | 34 | 34 | FLEETWOOD MAC | RUMOURS | WARNER (WMG) | 17,983 | 2% | 3,555 | 203 | 14,226 | | -- | 35 | LOGIC | ULTRA 85 | BMG RIGHTS MANAGEMENT (WMG) | 17,873 | -- | 7,387 | 147 | 10,339 | | 33 | 36 | TRAVIS SCOTT | UTOPIA | CACTUS JACK/EPIC (SME) | 17,680 | 0% | 539 | 37 | 17,104 | | 35 | 37 | OLIVIA RODRIGO | SOUR | GEFFEN (UMG) | 17,469 | -1% | 2,316 | 64 | 15,090 | | 42 | 38 | FRANK OCEAN | BLONDE | BOYS DON'T CRY (BLONDED) | 16,831 | 1% | 99 | 32 | 16,700 | | 39 | 39 | TAYLOR SWIFT | REPUTATION | BIG MACHINE/BMLG (UMG) | 16,803 | -1% | 1,505 | 137 | 15,161 | | 41 | 40 | KENDRICK LAMAR | DAMN. | TDE/AFTERMATH/INTERSCOPE (UMG) | 16,725 | -1% | 1,610 | 34 | 15,082 | | 44 | 41 | ELTON JOHN | DIAMONDS | ISLAND (UMG) | 16,706 | 2% | 445 | 296 | 15,965 | | 38 | 42 | EMINEM | CURTAIN CALL | SHADY/AFTERMATH/INTERSCOPE (UMG) | 16,701 | -3% | 450 | 193 | 16,058 | | 45 | 43 | PESO PLUMA | GENESIS | DOUBLE P/PRAJIN PARLAY (THE ORCHARD) | 16,541 | 1% | 15 | 27 | 16,499 | | -- | 44 | GUNNA | ONE OF WUN | YOUNG STONER LIFE (WMG) | 16,512 | -- | 1,198 | 32 | 15,283 | | 49 | 45 | DRAKE | FOR ALL THE DOGS | OVO/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 16,498 | 3% | 11 | 21 | 16,467 | | 40 | 46 | MEGAN THEE STALLION | MEGAN | HOT GIRL PRODUCTIONS (WMG) | 16,419 | -3% | 324 | 226 | 15,868 | | 27 | 47 | MEGAN MORONEY | AM I OKAY? | SONY MUSIC NASHVIILE/COLUMBIA (SME) | 16,330 | -17% | 818 | 117 | 15,396 | | -- | 48 | BEABADOOBEE | THIS IS HOW TOMORROW MOVES | DIRTY HIT (INGROOVES) | 16,206 | -- | 6,855 | 63 | 9,288 | | 47 | 49 | LUKE COMBS | GETTIN' OLD | RIVER HOUSE/COLUMBIA NASHVILLE (SME) | 16,051 | -1% | 314 | 179 | 15,559 | | 50 | 50 | KENDRICK LAMAR | GOOD KID M.A.A.D CITY | TDE/AFTERMATH/INTERSCOPE (UMG) | 15,893 | 0% | 1,796 | 30 | 14,068 |
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Post by Push The Button on Aug 16, 2024 16:43:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I think once "Hot To Go" finishes it's run this fall (and those well streaming album tracks taper off through the holidays), she'll have her next new single and new album ready to go first quarter. She can tack "GLB" on that. She's no doubt gonna be a big name at the Grammy's this year, great launching pad for the second album. Yeah all signs are pointing to 2025 being absolutely massive for her. Fun to watch! |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Aug 16, 2024 17:28:55 GMT -5
People are really invested in this whole variant business for whatever reason, but never have criticisms or as much disdain for other popular acts taking advantage of them. One might say it's because Taylor utilizes the practice far more often, but in reality that's only because she can successfully whereas most others cannot (not because they wouldn't). I don't know why we're acting like labels utilizing every completely legitimate and legal music practice to support and sell their artist's product in a market of dwindling returns is somehow a personal affront to the artist who it outsells, particularly when Taylor and Chappell have no known issues. People should be upset with Billboard for allowing the practice as opposed to the artists who use it. Taylor isn't targeting Chappell because she has some personal motivation to stunt her success or some personal vendetta imo. It's just about the timing, prioritizing, and maximizing of her own work first and foremost (as I would hope every artist would want to do). I personally 100% believe she has a goal with the #1 weeks of this album and it is to exceed 20, surpassing Wallen and for the longer aim to bolster her stats on the all-time list (as I genuinely believe she's aiming to be the "biggest" artist of all time domestically when it's all said and done, stats-wise). The longer this album is out , the less chance it has to aquire weeks at the summit, so the time is now. Further, Chappell isn't exempt from utilizing the very same practices and she is from what I've been seeing. She can absolutely outsell Taylor if her momentum is stronger, so the opportunities are equal and personally I find it more interesting to follow. It's the competition of business. And it's not as if Taylor isn't within striking distance of the top spot without the variants, if anything they're insurance and at least these variants have some professionally recorded really good live performances, which are far more valuable I believe to most fans than some other "extras" she has released. lol At the end of the day it's still people consuming the most of whatever product that will make the album hit the top. Personally I love Chappell and everything she's about and hope she bests Taylor (for at least one week) should Taylor continue this trend, as I love her and her album is fantastic. With that said, I don't really care nor am invested enough to be bothered if neither get another or their first #1 week; it's doing nothing for me personally. I think everyone and Taylor knows it's just a matter of time before Chappell takes over, variants or not. Do I see why some people feel Taylor releasing so many variants is annoying? Absolutely. It comes across as greedy and selfish. A billionaire acting like a billionaire (and I always said and stick by the notion there are zero genuinely great people who are billionaires, Taylor included). I can absolutely see why it's off-putting, I just don't think it's wrong or unfair if that makes sense. I might be inclined to feel it were more so wrong or off-putting if TTPD weren't already contending for the top for the most part without the variants (as it would feel to me like more of an inaccurate representation) and as I recently accounted for Taylor would have secured 12 of her first 14 weeks at #1 without the release of additional variants post-debut week, so her topping another week doesn't seem unjustfied. So, a couple more things I'll point out and then I'll let this go (interesting how you say "you don't care" much about the topic but then you write all of that, but whatever...). How do you feel about BTS's manipulation of charts, when that was still possible? Isn't it the same idea, even if they were farther away from #1 than Taylor without the mass-buying? They and their fans were doing everything allowed within Billboard's rules, nothing illegitimate or illegal (for the most part, the possible foreign transfer of funds and foreign purchases notwithstanding). And then, what about the whole issue of Scooter Braun buying Taylor's masters itself? He was just another fellow "billionaire" (or multi-millionaire at least) trying to do what he could in his best interests to further embolden his empire and line his pockets. Everything he did was legal, even if not the most ethical, and Taylor was never entitled to ever own her own masters, as no recording artist is, and this was something that was in her recording contract and that she signed off on from the very beginning with Big Machine. the hilarity of thinking the "BTS example" was the "same" when TTPD was already predicted as the #1 this week in the Tuesday early predictions without her doing anything, and that's before chapel/her team proceeded to discount her album to $6 bucks on itunes so more people would buy it, lol. not to mention TTPD was #1 from streaming for 11 weeks or more, and that SEA units were literally still the vast majority of TTPD's units in the week it did win through variants (meaning, there was no "massbuying", it was close contests won with slight pushes), whereas the BTS song wouldnt even be charting without the purchases. when your argument/example is this bad and this off, it just dilutes the conversation rather than successfully presenting a point. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Aug 16, 2024 17:49:17 GMT -5
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