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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Aug 16, 2024 18:02:08 GMT -5
Wild! Yet another example of TTPD being predicted at #1 before the variant release, then releasing it anyway, and then the numbers actually panning out that it would have been #1 regardless. Hot take, I think she knows how much they piss people off and she does it to spite them. She doesn’t NEED them, but she CAN, so she DOES. Some real Reputation shit. I love it.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 16, 2024 18:12:05 GMT -5
Name even one other artist who has had this many variants for this many albums, and who has released them in so many different weeks (i.e. not just a debut week or one strategic week). Reading comprehension is key, as always Jenglisbe. I clearly already touched on this if you actually read what I wrote literally just below what you purposefully cropped, as I knew instantly this is where people, like you, were going to head toward. I said she releases far more variants because she can do so successfully, unlike other artists. Name another singular artist currently who even could substantially benefit from continual variant releases? Practically none. Taylor is one of the few, if not the only who has both a large enough and dedicated enough fanbase to utilize variants in this manner. Just because most can't, doesn't mean they wouldn't. It's interesting you make a snide comment like telling me reading comprehension is key when you still aren't staying on topic. You posted how Taylor gets more disdain than others. I responded to name even one artist who has released as many variants as she has across as many weeks; you of course cannot and then speak in hypotheticals. My point was of course that Taylor gets more disdain because she releases more variants than anyone else by far. People don't disdain a hypothetical. Consistently getting in these threads writing long paragraphs about them pretty much proves this to be a lie. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Aug 16, 2024 18:15:48 GMT -5
Wild! Yet another example of TTPD being predicted at #1 before the variant release, then releasing it anyway, and then the numbers actually panning out that it would have been #1 regardless. Hot take, I think she knows how much they piss people off and she does it to spite them. She doesn’t NEED them, but she CAN, so she DOES. Some real Reputation shit. I love it. eh, its more like the variants are handled by her team/taylor nation, with the task of dropping new ones whenever the races are close. itd be hard to imagine someone who makes $15M a night is doing doing that. |
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Post by meev on Aug 16, 2024 18:25:13 GMT -5
Wild! Yet another example of TTPD being predicted at #1 before the variant release, then releasing it anyway, and then the numbers actually panning out that it would have been #1 regardless. Hot take, I think she knows how much they piss people off and she does it to spite them. She doesn’t NEED them, but she CAN, so she DOES. Some real Reputation shit. I love it. It is impressive that Taylor can basically click her fingers and get her team to add a live version from her tour, and get an extra 10k sales just like that, without putting any effort in. For most artists, an extra 10k *sales* is actually not easy to get, and needs planning with physicals, but it seems so easy for Taylor to get it. I guess her persona and music attracts the type of fans who buy music, even if it is a digital file that has been released countless times before. Selling digital variants from her website is such a stroke of genius, as it doesn’t alienate the GP who doesn’t know the existence of these variants, and gets her the #1s that she wants. Pissing off stans doesn’t matter, since pop stans who don’t like her are not going to like her regardless. |
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Post by 85la on Aug 16, 2024 18:39:48 GMT -5
Name even one other artist who has had this many variants for this many albums, and who has released them in so many different weeks (i.e. not just a debut week or one strategic week). Reading comprehension is key, as always Jenglisbe. I clearly already touched on this if you actually read what I wrote literally just below what you purposefully cropped, as I knew instantly this is where people, like you, were going to head toward. I said she releases far more variants because she can do so successfully, unlike other artists. Name another singular artist currently who even could substantially benefit from continual variant releases? Practically none. Taylor is one of the few, if not the only who has both a large enough and dedicated enough fanbase to utilize variants in this manner. Just because most can't, doesn't mean they wouldn't. (interesting how you say "you don't care" much about the topic but then you write all of that, but whatever...). Meaning I am not emotionally invested in variants like some. It doesn't "upset" or "anger" or "enrage" or even "frustrate" me that artists release album variants, not that I'm unwilling to have a conversation about the topic generally. :) I have to laugh to myself, because I knew these two exact examples would be hedged in retort to what I wrote, which is why I already touched on one rebuttal near the end of my original post. It's predictable. First of all, the vital differences you readily mentioned and tried to trivialize between this situation and the BTS situation, namely fans arguably circumventing Billboard rules and regulations and them being nowhere near the pole position without those inarguably wrong fan-driven mass buying/gifting scenarios that were going on unlike TTPD which wouldve retained 12 out of its 14 weeks at #1 even without all these excess variants post debut week and the fact Taylor nor her team ever broke or attempted to circumvent a single rule in place make these two situations quite different in my eyes and incomparable. You're directly trying to equate a hijacking of the Billboard charts by a fanbase using tactics that circumvent rules and an artist releasing extras for fans to purchase all well within Billboard's standard rules, regulations, and practices. People are acting as if Taylor is fraudulently collecting #1s when she's breaking no rules and 90% of her weeks at the top were secured even without the excess variants anyway. lol Ok, so you're using this very fine-tuned language, saying that BTS was "circumventing" the rules, while Taylor did not. It seems you're just diving too deeply into semantics. Again, the foreign involvement notwithstanding (which we don't know the degree of or if it even existed), weren't both artists' tactics still technically within Billboard's rules, no matter how frequent the tactic was used or how far away either of them were from #1? Otherwise, Billboard would never have allowed BTS to be #1 for so many weeks.
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Post by 85la on Aug 16, 2024 18:46:45 GMT -5
So, a couple more things I'll point out and then I'll let this go (interesting how you say "you don't care" much about the topic but then you write all of that, but whatever...). How do you feel about BTS's manipulation of charts, when that was still possible? Isn't it the same idea, even if they were farther away from #1 than Taylor without the mass-buying? They and their fans were doing everything allowed within Billboard's rules, nothing illegitimate or illegal (for the most part, the possible foreign transfer of funds and foreign purchases notwithstanding). And then, what about the whole issue of Scooter Braun buying Taylor's masters itself? He was just another fellow "billionaire" (or multi-millionaire at least) trying to do what he could in his best interests to further embolden his empire and line his pockets. Everything he did was legal, even if not the most ethical, and Taylor was never entitled to ever own her own masters, as no recording artist is, and this was something that was in her recording contract and that she signed off on from the very beginning with Big Machine. the hilarity of thinking the "BTS example" was the "same" when TTPD was already predicted as the #1 this week in the Tuesday early predictions without her doing anything, and that's before chapel/her team proceeded to discount her album to $6 bucks on itunes so more people would buy it, lol. not to mention TTPD was #1 from streaming for 11 weeks or more, and that SEA units were literally still the vast majority of TTPD's units in the week it did win through variants (meaning, there was no "massbuying", it was close contests won with slight pushes), whereas the BTS song wouldnt even be charting without the purchases. when your argument/example is this bad and this off, it just dilutes the conversation rather than successfully presenting a point.
So, the week she beat Billie with a 45% increase in units, from 260k the previous week to 378k that week, the vast majority of which were from newly released pure sales variants, you would call a "slight push."
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 16, 2024 18:48:59 GMT -5
It's interesting you make a snide comment like telling me reading comprehension is key when you still aren't staying on topic. You posted how Taylor gets more disdain than others. I responded to name even one artist who has released as many variants as she has across as many weeks; you of course cannot and then speak in hypotheticals. My point was of course that Taylor gets more disdain because she releases more variants than anyone else by far. People don't disdain a hypothetical. I'm gonna reply to you personally on this one last topic, one last time, and then respectfully I'd like you to never quote or refer to me again on this forum as we do not jive, never have, and never have had good or genuine discourse. Feel free to block. Thanks. Again, yes I already said and knew people would likely use the excuse "it's because she releases more" in my original post before you reasoned the exact same sentiment all over and I already explained why said excuse really didn't hit for me when most were always complaining about the usage of variants in general to bolster positions, not particularly how many were inplemented as releasing variants weekly is relatively knew for Taylor, yet the complaints of her using variants goes back long before this excessive application and when other pop girlies were doing the same on a much similar scale actually and were met with zero criticism comparatively here. That's a super weird stretch and a tired way to try and be dismissive of what someone is saying. You aren't me. You don't know me at all. You don't know how I operate. You don't have a damn clue how I feel. You don't speak for me. Me writing and detailing my thoughts in length is a regular occurrence on this forum for anyone who knows me. I just am a very thorough person. Being thorough and detailed doesn't mean one is emotional. I don't know why you're conflating the two or trying to purposely misrepresent my truth to be your own wishful thinking that I'm "bothered" or "emotional" about something when I'm not. If you want to believe that, that's fine. But when I clarify, what you're not about to tell me is that I'm wrong about myself, when you haven't the faintest clue in the first place. Lol Stop projecting. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Aug 16, 2024 18:56:35 GMT -5
Reading comprehension is key, as always Jenglisbe. I clearly already touched on this if you actually read what I wrote literally just below what you purposefully cropped, as I knew instantly this is where people, like you, were going to head toward. I said she releases far more variants because she can do so successfully, unlike other artists. Name another singular artist currently who even could substantially benefit from continual variant releases? Practically none. Taylor is one of the few, if not the only who has both a large enough and dedicated enough fanbase to utilize variants in this manner. Just because most can't, doesn't mean they wouldn't. Meaning I am not emotionally invested in variants like some. It doesn't "upset" or "anger" or "enrage" or even "frustrate" me that artists release album variants, not that I'm unwilling to have a conversation about the topic generally. :) I have to laugh to myself, because I knew these two exact examples would be hedged in retort to what I wrote, which is why I already touched on one rebuttal near the end of my original post. It's predictable. First of all, the vital differences you readily mentioned and tried to trivialize between this situation and the BTS situation, namely fans arguably circumventing Billboard rules and regulations and them being nowhere near the pole position without those inarguably wrong fan-driven mass buying/gifting scenarios that were going on unlike TTPD which wouldve retained 12 out of its 14 weeks at #1 even without all these excess variants post debut week and the fact Taylor nor her team ever broke or attempted to circumvent a single rule in place make these two situations quite different in my eyes and incomparable. You're directly trying to equate a hijacking of the Billboard charts by a fanbase using tactics that circumvent rules and an artist releasing extras for fans to purchase all well within Billboard's standard rules, regulations, and practices. People are acting as if Taylor is fraudulently collecting #1s when she's breaking no rules and 90% of her weeks at the top were secured even without the excess variants anyway. lol
Ok, so you're using this very fine-tuned language, saying that BTS was "circumventing" the rules, while Taylor did not. Regardless of what specific words you choose and deeply you dive into semantics, again the foreign involvement notwithstanding, weren't both artists' tactics still technically within Billboard's rules, no matter how frequent the tactic was used or how far away either of them were from #1? Otherwise, Billboard would never have allowed BTS to be #1 for so many weeks.
“again the foreign involvement notwithstanding,” LMAO you’re trying to exclude the biggest offense, the BTS run was influenced by foreign money when the billboard chart is an US only chart. So you’re literally comparing a case of individual swift fans who are happy to spend their own hard earned money to buy what they like, to individuals just burning donations/foreign money that’s not even theirs. How dense can you be? How much more you wanna keep beclowning yourself by demonstrating your inability to discern very glaring difference cases by comparing these two? And again, aside from that fact, TTPD would also be #2, whereas the BTS song wouldnteven chart without the mass buying. You’re comparing one instance of an album that only needed like a 10% push for that 4 weeks of #1, to something that is entire run is illegitimate. I’ll be so embarrassed if I keep asking the difference between these two. LOL edit: 👑 Eloquent ™ You might wanna copy and paste some of what I said to that user, he’s obviously dodging me cus he knows his silly argument would get destroyed. He probably scrolls so fast past my comments the moment he sees my username lol. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 16, 2024 18:58:07 GMT -5
Ok, so you're using this very fine-tuned language, saying that BTS was "circumventing" the rules, while Taylor did not. It seems you're just diving too deeply into semantics. Again, the foreign involvement notwithstanding (which we don't know the degree of or if it even existed), weren't both artists' tactics still technically within Billboard's rules, no matter how frequent the tactic was used or how far away either of them were from #1? Otherwise, Billboard would never have allowed BTS to be #1 for so many weeks. Yes, semantics, words, they're important. It's not about twisting anything it's about facts and real, tangible, important distinctions. The tactics that fanbase (as it wasn't even BTS who were the issue) were employing to propel that single to number one for weeks upon weeks were not the same or comparable to the actual artist in this scenario merely releasing a variant for public consumption. Billboard knew they were circumventing the rules as did they not further mend and rectify the situation shortly after it transpired by altering/adding more specific guidelines and specifications/rules to directly counteract such potential loopholes, or "ways around" or ways to "circumvent" what they felt were unfair practice of sales? They sure did. Now, maybe someday Billboard will look at just how many variants Taylor is utilizing and somehow find it unfair, but that day isn't today and she's done nothing wrong as there were never limitations placed on how many variants an album can have and there isn't any proof, let alone any accusations or evidence of, for example, wealthier fans or public groups of BTS mass-purchasing copies and "gifting" them to strangers (as captured via receipts on Twitter at the time) to manipulate the song's consumption let alone the other actually fradulent ways BTS fans were organizing the padding of that song's sales in complete contradiction/contrast of the song's actual performance; the variants of TTPD is just showcasing the generally high demand there is for Taylor/TTPD-related media atm, which perfectly makes sense given the huge success of Taylor and the album this year (in fact, much more similar a practice in nature to Lil Nas X and his 200 strategic remixes of "Old Town Road" to extend the song's stay at the summit than BTS controversy). It's pretty simple really why the two situations you're trying to correlate and represent as essentially the same are in fact quite different. I think I've made my view on this fairly clearly at this point, multiple times to parties involved, so I'll have nothing further to say on the matter. |
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Post by ObhiDonna on Aug 17, 2024 3:10:26 GMT -5
So, in other words nothing you wrote related to my post. I respectfully ask that you don't quote me in future posts if you aren't going to write something relevant to it. Thank you. another clear example of a "person" who couldnt read past the first sentence or comprehend someone's point and argument i see. sucks to be this dense, just glad i have a few more brain cells than this example of failed reading comprehension lol. You should be reported for your inability to form a coherent response without attacking others. Disgraceful person! |
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Post by balletgirlmom on Aug 17, 2024 4:44:39 GMT -5
I hope Chappell Roan gets to #1 with The Rise and Fall of a Princess. Grammy time might be her time if not before. She is so close. I bet Billie E gets to #1 on the Top 200 as well, especially if Hit Me Hard and Soft wins the Grammy for AOTY. Hope both win Grammys! Hope both get to #1 on the Billboard Top 200.
I see Drake sold 11 albums of For All the Dogs. Of course, we know Drake streams big-time, but it was just funny to see 11 Albums sold.
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Post by Juan Carlos on Aug 17, 2024 5:36:31 GMT -5
I just want to give an update that I've seen the latest forecast and it's going to be two calm weeks. I recommend to use the report button instead of engaging with others whether you see a questionable post or not.
As a side note, if it's taken into consideration that HITS already revealed their Top 50 chart for this week, I'm locking this thread.
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