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Post by Mayman on Aug 31, 2024 23:57:51 GMT -5
If Travis does 300-400k with mostly digital downloads and no CDs and vinyls with hardly any streams, we might need to start having some serious conversations about his next album hitting 1 million. I honestly think he can do it. Keep in mind streaming directly cannibalizes digital downloads. If he made it available via streaming he's probably doing 25% of the digital sales (unless he has exclusive digital variants that aren't on streaming). But yeah he's super popular and sells very well Anyways did not have Sabrina outselling Billie and everyone else this year (except Taylor and maybe Travis) Yes if he does deluxe editions that are store exclusives with his next album I could see that significantly helping him out debut his last two albums. 1 million I'm not sure but if he really went into overdrive with the versions (4-5 vinyl variants, 4-5 cds, 4-5 cassettes, signed physicals, box sets, deluxe edition digital store exclusives) I think he could get close. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 1, 2024 5:59:09 GMT -5
If Travis does nab #1, is he going to threaten for the biggest drop ever from week 1 to week 2? What is the record there (both in terms of placement, but more so in terms of %)?
:ETA: I forgot the time of the bundles resulted in huge drops.
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Post by fridayteenage on Sept 1, 2024 9:23:19 GMT -5
celine, I believe:
The next week, due to lack of streaming, Courage plummeted to number 111, setting a Billboard 200 record for the biggest second week drop for an album that debuted at number one and second biggest drop after Bon Jovi (1-169 for This House Is Not for Sale)
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Post by Choco on Sept 1, 2024 13:37:57 GMT -5
And so the gaslighting begins... "this has always happened!" "they're following chart rules!" "if you don't want it, don't buy it!" "blah blah blah had a deluxe!" If these sales tactics don't phase you, fine. Be unbothered. But stop telling the people that don't like it they're being unreasonable. I've written paragraphs about why I find it exploitative and the damage I feel it does to albums, especially physical product. And y'all manage to skip over it every single time and make it all about something else. I'm so over it. We don't need another sales thread derailed because of these bullshit variants. You know I was gonna comment but this post just said everything that needed to be said. |
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Post by Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint on Sept 1, 2024 14:42:03 GMT -5
This suspense. I really don't care if she gets #1 it would be nice cause it's her breakout and she deserves that moment but selling over 300k is already a win.
If Travis somehow managed to out sell on a project nobody but his fans know about then good for him. Its earned. I just don't like him and never will but that doesn't discredit his success
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 1, 2024 14:56:54 GMT -5
Whoever sells/moves the most unit deserves #1. With that said, I'm pulling for Sabrina personally. Travis is performing really well though. Surprised there is this much interest for an old mixtape.
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Post by jdanton2 on Sept 1, 2024 15:28:33 GMT -5
This suspense. I really don't care if she gets #1 it would be nice cause it's her breakout and she deserves that moment but selling over 300k is already a win. If Travis somehow managed to out sell on a project nobody but his fans know about then good for him. Its earned. I just don't like him and never will but that doesn't discredit his success i was not surprised we had the HDD delay and sort of expected a Billboard delay as well. hopefully it is not delayed beyond Tuesday. |
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Post by Choco on Sept 1, 2024 15:33:56 GMT -5
I hope Sabrina wins because this is a major popstar being reborn out of the ashes of several studio albums that didn't connect. It's a huge deal for her.
I'm always impressed at how much engagement Travis can get. Honestly post SICKO MODE I don't think his cultural relevance or impact has matched the big debuts, so it's impressive that he can still command a stan base big enough without the streams, let alone for an old ass project that most stans probably had heard already.
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Post by theycallmedualian on Sept 1, 2024 18:07:37 GMT -5
People here complaining about “variants” is giving old man yelling at the sky energy. Yes they’re a thing now. Yes every major artist and/or label is doing it. What’s the issue? No response to anything from the first page? My account was given a timeout until just now, I’m not going to dig up older comments on page 1 or older posts to derail the current conversations. That’d be so incredibly obnoxious and giving main character energy lol. However, if you think there are some good points made on page one/older posts that warrants my attention, please do to post it here again so I can address it as a currently relevant topic. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Sept 1, 2024 18:13:51 GMT -5
Whoever sells/moves the most unit deserves #1. With that said, I'm pulling for Sabrina personally. Travis is performing really well though. Surprised there is this much interest for an old mixtape. I’m low key hoping Travis smashed the competition and sold like 500-600k, cus the implications would be that, if T Swift does what he did, then surely 4-6M first week is on the table for her. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Sept 1, 2024 18:31:00 GMT -5
Whoever sells/moves the most unit deserves #1. With that said, I'm pulling for Sabrina personally. Travis is performing really well though. Surprised there is this much interest for an old mixtape. I’m low key hoping Travis smashed the competition and sold like 500-600k, cus the implications would be that, if T Swift does what he did, then surely 4-6M first week is on the table for her. 6M is way too low, I'm thinking more like 10M. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Sept 1, 2024 19:15:16 GMT -5
I’m low key hoping Travis smashed the competition and sold like 500-600k, cus the implications would be that, if T Swift does what he did, then surely 4-6M first week is on the table for her. 6M is way too low, I'm thinking more like 10M. if she can get her fans who spend $70 dollar to buy one vinyl + shipping, to spend all of that on $5 digital variants instead, then 10M is provably reachable. incidentally, of the 3.5M copies that Adele sold, 1.6-1.7M were iTunes digitals, which people were driven into buying because she withheld her album from streaming. I guess all im saying is, if TS can somehow drive her vinyl buyers to buy digital variants, then she'll have the record and then some. |
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Post by Darkest Hour on Sept 1, 2024 19:42:57 GMT -5
No response to anything from the first page? My account was given a timeout until just now, I’m not going to dig up older comments on page 1 or older posts to derail the current conversations. That’d be so incredibly obnoxious and giving main character energy lol. However, if you think there are some good points made on page one/older posts that warrants my attention, please do to post it here again so I can address it as a currently relevant topic. Currently relevant topic is Sabrina Carpenter's debut on album chart, which you made a largely off prediction and Mayman rightfully called you out. This is also you in the other thread: Post Balone debuted at 250k and remained at 100k+ week 2 just as I predicted. How am I so good at this stuff? This is the definition of acting for your own advantage. |
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Post by Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint on Sept 1, 2024 20:02:44 GMT -5
Can we table the Taylor talk until she releases her next album and 18n1variants we will get plenty of chance to talk about her. Let Sabrina vs Travis have their moment!
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Post by rideordie on Sept 1, 2024 20:22:02 GMT -5
I don’t even care for Sabrina or Travis but these variants have completely ruined the integrity of billboard. It’s ridiculous. Sabrina’s project is undoubtedly the bigger project for the week so that should reflect on the charts…
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Post by theycallmedualian on Sept 1, 2024 21:24:24 GMT -5
My account was given a timeout until just now, I’m not going to dig up older comments on page 1 or older posts to derail the current conversations. That’d be so incredibly obnoxious and giving main character energy lol. However, if you think there are some good points made on page one/older posts that warrants my attention, please do to post it here again so I can address it as a currently relevant topic. Currently relevant topic is Sabrina Carpenter's debut on album chart, which you made a largely off prediction and Mayman rightfully called you out. 1) while this thread is about Sabrina's debut album chart and started out as such on the first few pages (when i was still timed out), the conversation already drifted to her digital variants, death battle with travis scott & how right or wrong these variants are/if billboard should do something about it. like, did you actually think the corect move for me after my timeout, would be to go dig up older topics and comments that was buried pages deep, instead of talk about what everyone is currently talk about? surely you'd realize that's a pretty bizzare thing to do lol. so please do answer me: would you have dome the same thing? Would you reply at comments on page 1 when the first instance you get to speak, the thread is at page 7 and went on like 5 different topics? Would you do such thing? 2) since you have made the current conversation about sabrina's numbers again instead of the variants, i now do have the proper occasion to comment on my earlier predictions, which I was drying to do so: Firstly - I made a prediction for both her SEAs and Physicals. her SEAs end up around 50k more than i expected. (i said 100k max at some point), well 50k is not THAT off is it? Secondly - As for the physicals, i made a post saying she would not sell more 50k, because there is no evidence supporting as such. however, hours after that comment, Sabrina released a vinyl version straight from her official twitter (that was like during the 1st tracking day, way before the variant-off) which bolstered her physical sales & I obviously i wouldve followed suit and upped my pure sale predictions had i not been given a timeout. So what you guys are doing right now is beating a horse than was already dead before you guys started beating it lol. i am absolutely absolved from that incorrect prediction. Thirdly: my original™ 50k prediction may still correct on this after all: given HDD's midweek prediction had Sabrina's physical numbers at ~150k, we can take it as fact that this would be her normal, original™ sales prior to the variants/late week pushes - and that anything higher than 150k are most likely the results of variants. therefore when billboard releases the detailed breakdown later, and IF it says "100k sales come from vinyls", then my prediction could still be proven correct. so to sum up the big gotcha onto my ultra-early prediction: i was off by ~50k on SEAs and absolved from the physical predictions, lol. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Sept 1, 2024 21:37:47 GMT -5
Post Balone debuted at 250k and remained at 100k+ week 2 just as I predicted. How am I so good at this stuff? This is the definition of acting for your own advantage. You are aware that i commented under an official post malone-only thread about my post malone predictions, right? and that it was the same day where billboard's official numbers for him came out & updated on, right? like literally what else is there to say on that thread? was i supposed go out of my way to bring up my Sabrina predictions on a post malone-only thread? that'd be off topic lol. so please do answer me on this one as well: if you are a moderator and you see someone commenting about sabrina on a post malone-only thread, are they in the wrong for doing so, was their post off topic or not? |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 1, 2024 21:57:49 GMT -5
Can we table the Taylor talk until she releases her next album and 18n1variants we will get plenty of chance to talk about her. Let Sabrina vs Travis have their moment! I couldn't help but find this interesting considering you just brought her up yesterday in this very thread: If you dumb enough to run after your fav and buy 15 versions of the same album with shit tacked on I don't feel sorry for you . Its your choice! I don't even do that for my fav I bought her albums and if some songs came after I just listen to them without buying re-realse ect. You can call it 1989, 1889 ,1589,1789,1089 ,9988 or whatever the fuck new packaging and pictures you put on you're not ever never getting me to be a SUCKER. By no means an I saying Taylor Switched would be any less successful with no variants so I don't care I just hate other artists in the past tactics like adding tour sales and merchandise to boost their albums. Atleast Taylor Sockets can sell records without the gimmicks Anyways Sabrina congrats your album fire, you're gorgeous, talented and deserve all the credit and success!! Also to congrats to Auto tune Scott Is it only acceptable for people to mention Taylor in this thread if they're shading her? Personally, I would think any member would be free to discuss any artist they like whose charting on the Hits chart, as they're still certainly relevant to the thread and discussion. If we can tolerate "AIWFCIY" discussions months and months ahead of Christmas, mentioning Taylor in a chart's thread she's actually currently occupying is fine. lol |
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Post by Mayman on Sept 1, 2024 22:17:56 GMT -5
Currently relevant topic is Sabrina Carpenter's debut on album chart, which you made a largely off prediction and Mayman rightfully called you out. 2) since you have made the current conversation about sabrina's numbers again instead of the variants, i now do have a reason to comment on my earlier predictions: Firstly - I made a prediction for both her SEAs and Physicals. her SEAs end up around 50k more than i expected. (i said 100k max at some point), well 50k is not THAT off is it? Secondly - As for the physicals, i made a post saying she would not sell more 50k, because there is no evidence supporting as such. however, hours after that comment, Sabrina released a vinyl version straight from her official twitter (that was like during the 1st tracking day, way before the variant-off) which bolstered her physical sales & I obviously i wouldve followed suit and upped my pure sale predictions had i not been given a timeout. So what you guys are doing right now is beating a horse than was already dead before you guys started beating it lol. i am absolutely absolved from that incorrect prediction. Thirdly: my original™ 50k prediction may still correct on this after all: given HDD's midweek prediction had Sabrina's physical numbers at ~150k, we can take it as fact that this would be her normal, original™ sales prior to the variants/late week pushes - and that anything higher than 150k are most likely the results of variants. therefore when billboard releases the detailed breakdown later, and IF it says "100k sales come from vinyls", then my prediction could still be proven correct. so to sum up the big gotcha onto my ultra-early prediction: i was off by ~50k on SEAs and absolved from the physical predictions, lol. To quote you - "sabrina will do less than 80k" no streaming equivalents nor physical units were cited along with that post nor the post you responded to. You were not off by around 50,000 units. You were around at the MINIMUM 250,000 units off with your prediction. This vinyl variant you speak of also did NOT come out on the 1st day of her tracking week, it was released a week prior and was available for pre-order on August 16. So no, that did not bolster sales during the week. You also said in your original predictions "she ain’t gonna sell 50k physicals" when prior to the digital version rush, was expected to do around 150k in those alone. I doubt she sold much if very little of digital versions prior to Thursday. So another prediction that was around 100,000 units off. You said "sabrina is not getting anywhere past 80k SEAs, probably less than 80k total" meanwhile it was predicted to do around 167k in streams alone, so another prediction of yours that was nearly 90,000 units off. The fact that you were even so bold to even tell other users you had bookmarked their predictions to eventually prove them wrong and now are deflecting these exact predictions is actually insane. You posted it, own your shit and admit you were in the wrong. None of this other stuff you are saying even matters because you acted so defensively and aggressive to other users for so long. Nobody would even care if you weren't such a terrible presence on this site. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Sept 1, 2024 22:21:09 GMT -5
Can we table the Taylor talk until she releases her next album and 18n1variants we will get plenty of chance to talk about her. Let Sabrina vs Travis have their moment! I couldn't help but find this interesting considering you just brought her up yesterday in this very thread: If you dumb enough to run after your fav and buy 15 versions of the same album with shit tacked on I don't feel sorry for you . It’s your choice! I don't even do that for my fav I bought her albums and if some songs came after I just listen to them without buying re-realse ect. You can call it 1989, 1889 ,1589,1789,1089 ,9988 or whatever the fuck new packaging and pictures you put on you're not ever never getting me to be a SUCKER. By no means an I saying Taylor Switched would be any less successful with no variants so I don't care I just hate other artists in the past tactics like adding tour sales and merchandise to boost their albums. Atleast Taylor Sockets can sell records without the gimmicks Anyways Sabrina congrats your album fire, you're gorgeous, talented and deserve all the credit and success!! Also to congrats to Auto tune Scott Is it only acceptable for people to mention Taylor in this thread if they're shading her? Personally, I would think any member would be free to discuss any artist they like whose charting on the Hits chart, as they're still certainly relevant to the thread and discussion. If we can tolerate "AIWFCIY" discussions months and months ahead of Christmas, mentioning Taylor in a chart's thread she's actually currently occupying is fine. lol I mean, at some point you should just stop at laugh at how worked up and pressed these guys are over Taylor. If anything, the more nasty they are the more hilarious. They act like she killed their dogs or something. Their anger and “venomous spites” are particularly entertaining. Meanwhile you go on to Taylor Swift communities like sub Reddit and it’s all love and fun there. Showing their friendship bracelets, how their friend groups are having a TS theme parties, daughter and mothers doing carpool karaokes. It’s just funny how much fun winners having and how pressed the losers are in every situation. |
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Post by Darkest Hour on Sept 1, 2024 22:24:45 GMT -5
This is the definition of acting for your own advantage. You are aware that i commented under an official post malone-only thread about my post malone predictions, right? and that it was the same day where billboard's official numbers for him came out & updated on, right? like literally what else is there to say on that thread? was i supposed go out of my way to bring up my Sabrina predictions on a post malone-only thread? that'd be off topic lol. so please do answer me on this one as well: if you are a moderator and you see someone commenting about sabrina on a post malone-only thread, are they in the wrong for doing so, was their post off topic or not Don't put the words on my mouth. That thread is about Post Malone's official debut number, but your reply mentions Post Malone's prediction and the most important part, "How am I so good at this stuff?", meaning you think your predictions for album numbers are accurate, which is proven to be false regarding to Sabrina Carpenter's here. |
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Post by Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint on Sept 1, 2024 22:24:59 GMT -5
There was no shade from my part toward Taylor Sockets I was merely shading her fans. Plus I didn't bring her up, she was . already a variant discussion unfortunately and I was very complimentary to her ass.
When do they release the chart 📈. Im only here for Sabrina
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 1, 2024 22:32:54 GMT -5
What is with posters that get a time out, immediately coming back and doing the exact same shit that got them put in detention to begin with?
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 1, 2024 22:33:31 GMT -5
There was no shade from my part toward Taylor Sockets I was merely shading her fans. Because they're purchasing variants? I don't know a fanbase on Pulse or in general that don't have fans who purchase multiple variants/editions/collectors items of their favs. I think collectors are a fairly normal subset of every fan group tbh. |
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Post by Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint on Sept 1, 2024 22:38:12 GMT -5
There was no shade from my part toward Taylor Sockets I was merely shading her fans. Because they're purchasing variants? I don't know a fanbase on Pulse or in general that don't have fans who purchase multiple variants/editions/collectors items of their favs. I think collectors are a fairly normal subset of every fan group tbh. As I clearly said if anyone is stupid enough to put their money towards fifty versions that's their business not mine which is why I said I don't care about variants. People still purchasing her album ie music. I'm tired of variants conversation and in general. As long as one is buying music then it's buying. I find tour tickets and merchandise to be worse. If you're going to slice and dice and twist my post then take the whole post and read it and comprehend the intent not the delivery. Anyways not looking to engage in a frivolously boring argument that some clearly live for. It was a throwaway comment If it personally affected you then I'm sorry 😔 but I meant it. What idiots do with their own money is their business, it's called freedom of choice and how I feel about it also my freedom of opinion. Not something I'll change because you or anyone else doesn't agree or like so what is the point arguing about subjective opinions ? I would still love to table the Taylor talk :) |
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Post by Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint on Sept 1, 2024 22:53:09 GMT -5
I couldn't help but find this interesting considering you just brought her up yesterday in this very thread: Is it only acceptable for people to mention Taylor in this thread if they're shading her? Personally, I would think any member would be free to discuss any artist they like whose charting on the Hits chart, as they're still certainly relevant to the thread and discussion. If we can tolerate "AIWFCIY" discussions months and months ahead of Christmas, mentioning Taylor in a chart's thread she's actually currently occupying is fine. lol I mean, at some point you should just stop at laugh at how worked up and pressed these guys are over Taylor. If anything, the more nasty they are the more hilarious. They act like she killed their dogs or something. Their anger and “venomous spites” are particularly entertaining. Meanwhile you go on to Taylor Swift communities like sub Reddit and it’s all love and fun there. Showing their friendship bracelets, how their friend groups are having a TS theme parties, daughter and mothers doing carpool karaokes. It’s just funny how much fun winners having and how pressed the losers are in every situation. I would be very upset at this gross mischaracterization of my sweet innocent humor and wit as venom but I need not worry as judging by your timeline you won't be around for long:) stop projecting anger on to me as the call is coming from inside your house I was having a little fun and in no means angry then or now! |
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Post by fridayteenage on Sept 1, 2024 22:53:49 GMT -5
"throwaway comments" generally aren't so very long-winded and make up nicknames that don't make sense but if you say so
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Post by Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint on Sept 1, 2024 22:55:14 GMT -5
"throwaway comments" generally aren't so very long-winded and make up nicknames that don't make sense but if you say so Then I apologize to Taylor Sparks. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 1, 2024 23:12:33 GMT -5
I'm tired of variants conversation and in general. As long as one is buying music then it's buying. I find tour tickets and merchandise to be worse. If you're going to slice and dice and twist my post then take the whole post and read it and comprehend the intent not the delivery. Anyways not looking to engage in a frivolously boring argument that some clearly live for. It was a throwaway comment Couldn't tell you were tired as you were absolutely engaging in it before I even interjected, but ok. I haven't "twisted, sliced or diced" your posts at all actually. I merely asked you a question to understand why you felt the need to shade an entire fanbase. Didn't realize asking the question was so tiresome and imposing. The unjustfied attitude is as lovely as ever I guess. lol Oh you didn't bother me. I was just engaging in with your subjective take with my own, which is typical of a discussion forum. I don't care to change your stance at all. I was just found your initial post hypocritical and had a question about your second, which I asked. :) I'm sure you would like to table Taylor herself, but it isn't going to happen fortunately. To reference and paraphrase your own quote above which questioned the point of arguing subjective opinions, what's the point of trying to keep people from discussing someone they want to discuss just because you don't wanna hear about her? Now do Y'ALL see why I wanted to table the Taylor talk?!! It's funny because you made some snarky comments, mentioned Taylor yourself only to tell others to stop talking about her, gave unnecessary attitude, and when you get any pushback or disagreements you go "see everyone why I wanted to not talk about her" *in the post you now deleted*?! Feels very gaslighty. If you hadn't brought her up yesterday in your post only to then to ask other people not to mention her none of these posts would be here, but now you're pointing the finger at everyone else without an ounce of personal accountability. lol This will be my last post on the matter, but it's just too funny to me. |
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Post by Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint on Sept 1, 2024 23:19:55 GMT -5
Okay I've changed my mind to keep everyone happy let's PUT Taylor back on the table and take Coco off the table! 😔
I had no idea that I was that important to Taylor fans and that my stupid opinion mattered that much . Thank you so much I'm so flattered. I appreciate y'all 🙏🏾 it's nice to feel appreciated
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