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Post by munx 🐒🎯 on Nov 1, 2024 20:25:16 GMT -5
Because she is almost past the age where it is reasonably viable for her to smash the charts and be a hitmaker, the clock is ticking. And I care about that bc it’s been 13 years since her last proper mainstream pop star smash hit era, and I feel she needs one more of those to truly cement herself as one of the all time pop icons among multiple generations. She’s close, but as it is I’d say her relevancy and legacy is somewhat confined to millennials. She needs her Britney/Madonna/Cher/Mariah etc era that will really solidify her with younger demos too. *though Cher had that at 50, but that’s very much the exception to the rule You could argue none of those names you mentioned extended their legacies by releasing music that catered to mainstream radio. It was when Madonna really started following trends with Hard Candy that she stopped having major hits. Hell, even her Confessions era, while highly regarded and gave her one of his biggest international hits, still did poorly at US pop radio. I’m all for our favs doing what they can to get hits but dumbing down one’s sound, especially for someone as unique and fun as Gaga’s music can be - I am strongly against and will argue against it every time it comes up because the logic isn’t there and it’s lazy thinking and a lazy suggestion. She needs material that people will respect, not made-for-pop-radio songs. ”The Cure” is good a representation of that. As cute as it is, it just doesn’t feel like Gaga, or at least it’s the closet thing, imo, to radio fodder/trend chasing she’s ever done. |
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Nov 1, 2024 22:24:56 GMT -5
You could argue none of those names you mentioned extended their legacies by releasing music that catered to mainstream radio. It was when Madonna really started following trends with Hard Candy that she stopped having major hits. Hell, even her Confessions era, while highly regarded and gave her one of his biggest international hits, still did poorly at US pop radio. I’m all for our favs doing what they can to get hits but dumbing down one’s sound, especially for someone as unique and fun as Gaga’s music can be - I am strongly against and will argue against it every time it comes up because the logic isn’t there and it’s lazy thinking and a lazy suggestion. She needs material that people will respect, not made-for-pop-radio songs. ”The Cure” is good a representation of that. As cute as it is, it just doesn’t feel like Gaga, or at least it’s the closet thing, imo, to radio fodder/trend chasing she’s ever done. Which is probably exactly why The Cure failed to do more than Top 20 on Pop radio. I personally would rather Gaga to be artistically creative than chase generic fodders so I’m glad she went this route with Disease. Might just be me here but I would also consider Gaga as one of the all-time icons when all is done and said. Charts do not matter in that regard, she has already had so much impact & influence in pop culture. |
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 2, 2024 7:23:25 GMT -5
8th Day Effect. Looks rather harsh, but it's about what I was expecting when contrasting its 1st full day with its 7th day.
POP:
33 21 LADY GAGA Disease 3528 1634 1894 8.563
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HOT AC:
42 36 LADY GAGA Disease 544 183 361 1.507
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 2, 2024 8:38:38 GMT -5
US Spotify run:
Day 1: #16 - 1,097,768 plays
Day 2: #27 - 731,207 plays (-366,561)
Day 3: #43 - 530,848 plays (-200,359)
Day 4: #61 - 561,419 plays (+30,571)
Day 5: #76 - 511,596 plays (-49,823)
Day 6: #53 - 596,231 plays (+84,635)
Day 7: #82 - 573,828 plays (-22,403)
Week 1 total: 4,602,897 plays
Day 8: #87 - 548,334 plays (-25,494)
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 2, 2024 8:46:22 GMT -5
and that's with #1 on TTH or is that tomorrow?
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 2, 2024 8:48:14 GMT -5
8th Day Effect. Looks rather harsh, but it's about what I was expecting when contrasting its 1st full day with its 7th day. So the song got actually 668 spins yesterday, right? |
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Post by NeRD on Nov 2, 2024 8:49:33 GMT -5
and that's with #1 on TTH or is that tomorrow? That's a reflection of a full day ar #1 on TTH with the cover. Looks like radio reacting to GP saying no. |
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Post by leonagwen on Nov 2, 2024 8:51:13 GMT -5
It's nice that she's getting radio support because of a radio deal and good Spotify placement but if the song ends up underperforming, things could backfire. How so? Basically her team has set her up not to fail. She's pretty much guaranteed to peak at the minimum between 10-15 on Pop.The worst that can happen is if the song loses Spotify streams every day, and falls out of the Spotify Top 200. I mean seriously the song is #1 on Today's Top Hits but is only #87 on Usa Spotify. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 2, 2024 8:59:16 GMT -5
Music video is up to 5.9M views. Lyric video 4.1M Official audio 1.77M Music video: 6.84M Lyric video: 4.30M Official audio 2.02M |
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 2, 2024 9:24:25 GMT -5
Global Spotify:
#34 (+7) - 2,687,774
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 2, 2024 11:45:20 GMT -5
Basically her team has set her up not to fail. She's pretty much guaranteed to peak at the minimum between 10-15 on Pop.The worst that can happen is if the song loses Spotify streams every day, and falls out of the Spotify Top 200. I mean seriously the song is #1 on Today's Top Hits but is only #87 on Usa Spotify. Backfiring is if they promote it so much it pisses people off - like the Born This Way era. Or they push it so hard and make her do promo spots at every show and it runs her into the ground. Basically, something bad happening. Promoting it to make it a hit and having it flop isn’t backfiring. |
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Post by shakemaki on Nov 2, 2024 12:15:57 GMT -5
Because she is almost past the age where it is reasonably viable for her to smash the charts and be a hitmaker, the clock is ticking. And I care about that bc it’s been 13 years since her last proper mainstream pop star smash hit era, and I feel she needs one more of those to truly cement herself as one of the all time pop icons among multiple generations. She’s close, but as it is I’d say her relevancy and legacy is somewhat confined to millennials. She needs her Britney/Madonna/Cher/Mariah etc era that will really solidify her with younger demos too. *though Cher had that at 50, but that’s very much the exception to the rule You could argue none of those names you mentioned extended their legacies by releasing music that catered to mainstream radio. It was when Madonna really started following trends with Hard Candy that she stopped having major hits. Hell, even her Confessions era, while highly regarded and gave her one of his biggest international hits, still did poorly at US pop radio. I’m all for our favs doing what they can to get hits but dumbing down one’s sound, especially for someone as unique and fun as Gaga’s music can be - I am strongly against and will argue against it every time it comes up because the logic isn’t there and it’s lazy thinking and a lazy suggestion. She needs material that people will respect, not made-for-pop-radio songs. I guess I should have been more specific with eras. I’m referring to the likes of Circus/Femme Fatale, Music, TEOM, and Believe (which granted was one huge hit rather than a hit era) when I talk about those final big mainstream pop eras for those icons that cemented them across multiple generations. You really think those eras were “dumbed down?” I’d say they’re all pretty great tbh. Maybe not Circus as a whole album, but the singles are a highlight for sure. Even in Cher’s case, the use of autotune there was revolutionary in music. Also, I will always take offense to the idea mainstream pop music catered to charts is inherently “dumbed down.” It’s sometimes the most impressive music of all when it’s done well. That shit is hard to actually pull off. That’s why you look at an album like Thriller or even Short N Sweet for a new example, and it’s so impressive. They managed to make the whole albums in those cases sound like lasting smash hits, and that’s not easy. I’d argue way harder than just experimenting with a more industrial sound like Disease, if that’s what this album will be. |
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Post by shakemaki on Nov 2, 2024 12:38:45 GMT -5
Anyways, we know her fiance already steered her in the direction of this being a “pop album”, since he felt that’s what she needed to do. So I’m hoping by that he meant that last big mainstream hurrah like I’m talking about, and Disease is just more of a “for the fans” moment before she kicks it into gear next year. Or it will be Joanne all over again, and I’ll be disappointed she didn’t wait until her 40s to go there again, but it is what it is. Most Monsters aren’t going to care if it’s not a big mainstream thing, so I know I’m the exception there.
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Post by ObhiDonna on Nov 2, 2024 13:06:55 GMT -5
8th Day Effect. Looks rather harsh, but it's about what I was expecting when contrasting its 1st full day with its 7th day. POP:33 21 LADY GAGA Disease 3528 1634 1894 8.563 -966 Spins -2585 Bullet -5.456 Audience HOT AC:42 36 LADY GAGA Disease 544 183 361 1.507 -86 Spins -269 Bullet -0.534 Audience 1st day airplay was 7.59M, so it means the gain today without the rolling effect is 1.46M. Really good. Hopefully it keeps increasing like this the following days so it can recover soon what it lost today. Some members here dont grasp that it seems, or choses not to. |
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Post by ObhiDonna on Nov 2, 2024 13:07:46 GMT -5
Anyways, we know her fiance already steered her in the direction of this being a “pop album”, since he felt that’s what she needed to do. So I’m hoping by that he meant that last big mainstream hurrah like I’m talking about, and Disease is just more of a “for the fans” moment before she kicks it into gear next year. Or it will be Joanne all over again, and I’ll be disappointed she didn’t wait until her 40s to go there again, but it is what it is. Most Monsters aren’t going to care if it’s not a big mainstream thing, so I know I’m the exception there. Something tells me you have already made up your mind to be disappointed in whatever she releases ma mate! |
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Post by shakemaki on Nov 2, 2024 14:34:12 GMT -5
Anyways, we know her fiance already steered her in the direction of this being a “pop album”, since he felt that’s what she needed to do. So I’m hoping by that he meant that last big mainstream hurrah like I’m talking about, and Disease is just more of a “for the fans” moment before she kicks it into gear next year. Or it will be Joanne all over again, and I’ll be disappointed she didn’t wait until her 40s to go there again, but it is what it is. Most Monsters aren’t going to care if it’s not a big mainstream thing, so I know I’m the exception there. Something tells me you have already made up your mind to be disappointed in whatever she releases ma mate! Didn’t I say the opposite? That I’m hopeful since she already told us her fiance convinced her to make this a pop album? Entirely possible Disease is more indicative of the direction she was originally going. Anyways, Stupid Love is a bottom tier Gaga song, and Rain on Me is arguably the best Gaga song of all time. So I’m personally not worried about the album as a whole yet. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 2, 2024 15:12:12 GMT -5
What is with all the Stupid Love hate? Cuz of the video? I prefer the song to Rain on Me, personally.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Nov 2, 2024 15:38:29 GMT -5
and that's with #1 on TTH or is that tomorrow? That's a reflection of a full day ar #1 on TTH with the cover. Looks like radio reacting to GP saying no. ? That is not radio reacting. That’s the rolling effect from that first day deal. You’ve been on this forum long enough to know better. |
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Post by chickythelittlechicken on Nov 2, 2024 16:19:20 GMT -5
Wait I'm fully hooked on this it's so good!
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Post by Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint on Nov 2, 2024 19:59:01 GMT -5
Again, why do you want all pop stars to water down their sound for mainstream success? Because she is almost past the age where it is reasonably viable for her to smash the charts and be a hitmaker, the clock is ticking. And I care about that bc it’s been 13 years since her last proper mainstream pop star smash hit era, and I feel she needs one more of those to truly cement herself as one of the all time pop icons among multiple generations. She’s close, but as it is I’d say her relevancy and legacy is somewhat confined to millennials. She needs her Britney/Madonna/Cher/Mariah etc era that will really solidify her with younger demos too. *though Cher had that at 50, but that’s very much the exception to the rule Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I do have to agree that Mariah Emancipation of Mimi and even earlier Butterfly album was definitely the opposite of her watering herself down . She literally took a chance and went against the grain of what was working for her, lost countless fans of pop music , weathered the hate and ended up succeeding in doing the music she wanted not what her fans and labels wanted. To be great you have to stay authentic |
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Post by Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint on Nov 2, 2024 20:00:26 GMT -5
Basically her team has set her up not to fail. She's pretty much guaranteed to peak at the minimum between 10-15 on Pop.The worst that can happen is if the song loses Spotify streams every day, and falls out of the Spotify Top 200. I mean seriously the song is #1 on Today's Top Hits but is only #87 on Usa Spotify. Lol if it was only that easy they all would do it. How about not constantly discrediting. |
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Post by southerninternal999 on Nov 2, 2024 20:29:13 GMT -5
Basically her team has set her up not to fail. She's pretty much guaranteed to peak at the minimum between 10-15 on Pop.The worst that can happen is if the song loses Spotify streams every day, and falls out of the Spotify Top 200. I mean seriously the song is #1 on Today's Top Hits but is only #87 on Usa Spotify. Considering a good chunk of the songs ahead of it on US Spotify are album bomb tracks and leftover halloween music, 87 is actually pretty respectful for this song. And like others have said, promoting a song to be a hit and having it flop isn't really a backfire. It's just a failed attempt at a smash hit (Which could be the same thing, I honestly don't know. I'm not really much of an expert) |
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Post by shakemaki on Nov 2, 2024 22:27:51 GMT -5
What is with all the Stupid Love hate? Cuz of the video? I prefer the song to Rain on Me, personally. And I actually prefer the SL video to RoM’s lol. It’s just so basic (the song) and the lyrics are some of her all time worst (though Jewels N Drugs does exist). But I do appreciate it for being Gaga in her catchy pop bag after so long of not doing that up to that point. Kinda what my earlier point was though about how that sort of music is often the hardest to pull off well. Great mainstream pop is truly an art. |
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Post by Khia on Nov 3, 2024 0:06:06 GMT -5
Looks like radio reacting to GP saying no. Wrong. This had more spins than the previous day--the negative update is the rolling effect from last week's deal. Considering how long you've been on this forum, I think you know that. It's borderline trolling from you at this point. |
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Post by eyeofthestorm on Nov 3, 2024 0:34:52 GMT -5
I want a performance.
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 3, 2024 1:16:42 GMT -5
8th Day Effect. Looks rather harsh, but it's about what I was expecting when contrasting its 1st full day with its 7th day. So the song got actually 668 spins yesterday, right? 653. You need to deduct 15 spins that snuck through ahead of the first full day. That means if today's update pulls around the same or higher, that's a decent spin gain since day 2 was a +485 (so if day 9 roughly matches day 8, that's a baseline spin gain of around +165). |
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Post by itsaboutart on Nov 3, 2024 4:54:29 GMT -5
Personally I think people are over reacting.
I think it’s genuinely a good song. So that’s a win to begin with.
Secondly she is up to 32 worldwide so it’s definitely getting some traction.
It’s got a big TTH placement and that’s moving things worldwide.
I think more people need to hear the song they will respond . Radio seems to be on board. She hasn’t had a hit by herself for awhile. It’s going to be a grind.
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Post by getouttamyway on Nov 3, 2024 8:13:23 GMT -5
Predicted to debut at number 28 on the Hot 100. Hopefully top 30 is secured at this point.
Down to number 48 on Global Spotify but up to number 77 in the US (although streams took a fall to 466,000, down 82,000 from yesterday).
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 3, 2024 8:20:20 GMT -5
Wasn’t it expected to debut at #18 a couple days ago? Now it’s back down to 28?
also, #1 on TTH seems to have had a negative effect.
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Post by NeRD on Nov 3, 2024 8:21:23 GMT -5
Day 9
#48(-14) Global — 2,249,424(-438,350)
#77(+10) US — 466,751(-81,583)
#24(-6) Ukraine — 12,203(-2,421)
#46(-17) Latvia — 2,317(-1,222)
#44(-13) Bulgaria — 3,533(-851)
#41(-10) Estonia — 1,928(-755)
#33(-9) United Kingdom — 157,288(-41,871)
#72(-10) Finland — 17,048(-7,458)
#50(-15) Lithuania — 3,347(-623)
#119(-48) Brazil — 244,560(-96,052)
#50(-7) Singapore — 14,868(-3,653)
#76(-20) Hong Kong — 8,368(-2,220)
#61(-14) Taiwan — 22,197(-5,488)
#67(-12) Portugal — 15,098(-693)
#54(-6) Ireland — 17,139(-2,359)
#77(-14) Hungary — 8,529(-1,187)
#90(-31) Sweden — 28,218(-10,775)
#90(-18) Poland — 48,895(-398)
#63(-4) Canada — 76,244(-10,071)
#98(-45) Switzerland — 11,216(-4,929)
#87(-19) Australia — 71,835(-15,552)
#60(-) Netherlands — 55,255(-3,850)
#131(-33) Greece — 13,169(-2,726)
#131(-16) Spain — 65,098(-3,978)
#71(-14) Belgium — 16,894(-1,332)
OUT Luxembourg
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