Lady Gaga - "Disease"

[Az Paynter]

POP:
27 21 LADY GAGA Disease 3701 2121 1580 8.887

+173 Spins
-314 Bullet
+0.324 Audience

HOT AC:
40 35 LADY GAGA Disease 585 250 335 1.495

+41 Spins
-26 Bullet
-0.012 Audience

[Maximillian]

And now we climb our way back to Top 20 :)

[musicbuff]

Oct 30, 2024 15:08:16 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Oct 30, 2024 15:00:06 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

Lol mate, that was probably Gaga’s whole point to release a riskier song and not pander to a GP track again. I for one am so proud of the track and usually roll my eyes when my faves water themselves down to pander to a demographic. I just wish my other fav would have done something remotely like this than what she ended up releasing.

Yep, I saw this tweet earlier

and it made me think: how many people listen to music and like artists for the music primarily vs. for chart success and popularity? What’s more important?
I realize there’s a bit of a tradeoff because if Gaga (or whoever) flops really bad, they risk being dropped and not having label support to do fun things like make videos and whatnot. But most of my favs are artists who’ve never made the Hot 100 or had a million selling album or single and they still thrive and make good music. I think there’s a level of success one can have that grants them freedom to do good music without having to pander to mainstream norms. Carly Rae might be a good example of that. Gaga very well could be in that position right now. It’s us who needs to adjust expectations.

WOW!  You made some very profound statements there!

Yes, you are absolutely right.  Music is extraordinarily personal, and extremely subjective.  Each person will like the music that they like.  And that's perfectly fine.  We should like what we like, regardless of how a song performs on the charts.

However, as most of us know, it is just so much fun to watch the charts, and see our favorite songs and artists find success on the charts.  Conversely, when they don't find success on the charts, we are greatly disappointed.  It's no different than watching your favorite team play their sport.  If they win, it's thrilling.  If they lose, it's pure agony.

And we all know people that will scream and cheer for their favorite sports team in their living room, because they truly, truly believe that if they cheer hard enough and loud enough, somehow they can affect the outcome of the game.

I think it's the same way in music.  We want to root for our favorite artists, and we want them to succeed because we believe somehow, we can affect the outcome.  We can help them succeed!

And yes, we know that if the artist fails, they might be dropped from their label, and won't be able to continue their career.

I remember years ago, I interviewed for a job at the Universal Music Group.  My job would be to go through and track all the revenue and all the expenses of each artist.  Therefore, for each individual artist, I would take TOTAL REVENUE and then subtract out TOTAL EXPENSES and generate NET PROCEEDS.  This information would then be sent to the higher ups, and they would use this information to decide on whether they wanted to renew a contract with that artist, or drop that artist.  I would also roll up each artist to each label, and each label to each label group, and all label groups up to UMG.  In other words, they wanted to see the NET PROFITS for each artist, each label, each label group, and finally for the entire Universal Music Group.  At the end of the day, for each artist, you needed to achieve profitability.  That was the goal, meaning you want to bring in more revenue than you are spending in costs.  TLC claimed they were never profitable, because they always spent more than they brought in.  This really affected Pebbles, their manager, and that's part of the reason why she quit the music business.

In regards to Lady Gaga, I was her biggest fan from Day 1.  The moment I heard "Just Dance" and "Poker Face," I knew she was phenomenal, and was destined to do great things!  Move over Madonna!

However, when I listened to "Disease," it just didn't knock my socks off the way so many of her previous hits did on the very first listen.  Time will tell.  This song might be a grower for me.  We shall see.

[leonagwen]

musicbuff this is a CHR Pop thread for Lady Gaga Disease. On this thread we discuss how it's doing on radio and streams. There's an Artist thread where you can discuss Lady Gaga.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 3, 2024 8:44:14 GMT -5 musicbuff said:

Oct 30, 2024 15:08:16 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Yep, I saw this tweet earlier

and it made me think: how many people listen to music and like artists for the music primarily vs. for chart success and popularity? What’s more important?
I realize there’s a bit of a tradeoff because if Gaga (or whoever) flops really bad, they risk being dropped and not having label support to do fun things like make videos and whatnot. But most of my favs are artists who’ve never made the Hot 100 or had a million selling album or single and they still thrive and make good music. I think there’s a level of success one can have that grants them freedom to do good music without having to pander to mainstream norms. Carly Rae might be a good example of that. Gaga very well could be in that position right now. It’s us who needs to adjust expectations.

WOW!  You made some very profound statements there!

Yes, you are absolutely right.  Music is extraordinarily personal, and extremely subjective.  Each person will like the music that they like.  And that's perfectly fine.  We should like what we like, regardless of how a song performs on the charts.

However, as most of us know, it is just so much fun to watch the charts, and see our favorite songs and artists find success on the charts.  Conversely, when they don't find success on the charts, we are greatly disappointed.  It's no different than watching your favorite team play their sport.  If they win, it's thrilling.  If they lose, it's pure agony.

And we all know people that will scream and cheer for their favorite sports team in their living room, because they truly, truly believe that if they cheer hard enough and loud enough, somehow they can affect the outcome of the game.

I think it's the same way in music.  We want to root for our favorite artists, and we want them to succeed because we believe somehow, we can affect the outcome.  We can help them succeed!

And yes, we know that if the artist fails, they might be dropped from their label, and won't be able to continue their career.

I remember years ago, I interviewed for a job at the Universal Music Group.  My job would be to go through and track all the revenue and all the expenses of each artist.  Therefore, for each individual artist, I would take TOTAL REVENUE and then subtract out TOTAL EXPENSES and generate NET PROCEEDS.  This information would then be sent to the higher ups, and they would use this information to decide on whether they wanted to renew a contract with that artist, or drop that artist.  I would also roll up each artist to each label, and each label to each label group, and all label groups up to UMG.  In other words, they wanted to see the NET PROFITS for each artist, each label, each label group, and finally for the entire Universal Music Group.  At the end of the day, for each artist, you needed to achieve profitability.  That was the goal, meaning you want to bring in more revenue than you are spending in costs.  TLC claimed they were never profitable, because they always spent more than they brought in.  This really affected Pebbles, their manager, and that's part of the reason why she quit the music business.

In regards to Lady Gaga, I was her biggest fan from Day 1.  The moment I heard "Just Dance" and "Poker Face," I knew she was phenomenal, and was destined to do great things!  Move over Madonna!

However, when I listened to "Disease," it just didn't knock my socks off the way so many of her previous hits did on the very first listen.  Time will tell.  This song might be a grower for me.  We shall see.

Fully agree! And it’s neat that you have that experience and those insights!

I’ve been a chart fan for 30 years and have had lots of joy (and disappointment) in that time. Though once a song’s run as a single is done, it continues to exist if you choose to continue listening to it, so as a fan of music first (chart second), I’d still rather have a good song than an average one, even if that song flopped.
And I know the point was made about good pop music being really hard to achieve. I agree with that too. Really good pop music is rewarding but not every major pop hit satisfies that. I love pop music and I think there’s room for all kinds of pop music on the musical landscape - even the generic kind that’s made to appeal to the most people as possible. We need fun songs that aren’t anything more than being pop music that people can enjoy collectively. But it’s not something that every pop star needs - and probably even wants to be.

Nov 3, 2024 9:57:39 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

musicbuff this is a CHR Pop thread for Lady Gaga Disease. On this thread we discuss how it's doing on radio and streams. There's an Artist thread where you can discuss Lady Gaga.

Can you actually not though?

[musicbuff]

Nov 3, 2024 9:57:39 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

musicbuff this is a CHR Pop thread for Lady Gaga Disease. On this thread we discuss how it's doing on radio and streams. There's an Artist thread where you can discuss Lady Gaga.

Please accept my apologies.  I do realize I may have drifted a little off topic, but the reason why I did was because I really felt Rose "Payola" Nylund, ObhiDonna, and several other people made some very profound posts within this thread.  Those comments raised a common question that I get asked all the time.  "Does it matter if a person likes a song that others don't like, or vice versa?"  I wanted the opportunity to address those comments here, as opposed to starting a brand-new thread in another forum.  I found this was relevant to "Disease" by Lady Gaga, because some people really loved this song out of the box, and others are not as impressed.  Judging by some of the comments in this thread, that seemed to bother a lot of people, regardless of whether they liked the song or not.

Sometimes, I find it's better to just keep an organic conversation going, as opposed to continuing the conversation somewhere else.  I hope you understand.  Again, I apologize, but I hope my explanation helps.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 3, 2024 10:43:38 GMT -5 musicbuff said:

Nov 3, 2024 9:57:39 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

musicbuff this is a CHR Pop thread for Lady Gaga Disease. On this thread we discuss how it's doing on radio and streams. There's an Artist thread where you can discuss Lady Gaga.

Please accept my apologies.  I do realize I may have drifted a little off topic, but the reason why I did was because I really felt Rose "Payola" Nylund, ObhiDonna, and several other people made some very profound posts within this thread.  Those comments raised a common question that I get asked all the time.  "Does it matter if a person likes a song that others don't like, or vice versa?"  I wanted the opportunity to address those comments here, as opposed to starting a brand-new thread in another forum.  I found this was relevant to "Disease" by Lady Gaga, because some people really loved this song out of the box, and others are not as impressed.  Judging by some of the comments in this thread, that seemed to bother a lot of people, regardless of whether they liked the song or not.

Sometimes, I find it's better to just keep an organic conversation going, as opposed to continuing the conversation somewhere else.  I hope you understand.  Again, I apologize, but I hope my explanation helps.

You did nothing wrong. Leonagwen has a tendency to get difficult when people are having good conversation.

[musicbuff]

Nov 3, 2024 10:51:55 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Nov 3, 2024 10:43:38 GMT -5 musicbuff said:

Please accept my apologies.  I do realize I may have drifted a little off topic, but the reason why I did was because I really felt Rose "Payola" Nylund, ObhiDonna, and several other people made some very profound posts within this thread.  Those comments raised a common question that I get asked all the time.  "Does it matter if a person likes a song that others don't like, or vice versa?"  I wanted the opportunity to address those comments here, as opposed to starting a brand-new thread in another forum.  I found this was relevant to "Disease" by Lady Gaga, because some people really loved this song out of the box, and others are not as impressed.  Judging by some of the comments in this thread, that seemed to bother a lot of people, regardless of whether they liked the song or not.

Sometimes, I find it's better to just keep an organic conversation going, as opposed to continuing the conversation somewhere else.  I hope you understand.  Again, I apologize, but I hope my explanation helps.

You did nothing wrong. Leonagwen has a tendency to get difficult when people are having good conversation.

Thanks!  I have so much information to share, that I sometimes get a little carried away!

I am having a blast posting on Pulse Music.  You guys are all INCREDIBLE!  Thank you for sharing regarding your 30 years of being a chart fan!  I don't think I am ready to reveal how long I have been a chart fan, as I actually know many of you, and I am waiting to see if anyone figures out who I am!

I love discussing songs with my friends, and oftentimes, it will sound like I am trying to convince someone to like a song they don't like, but that is not really my intention.  I am trying to explain to them why I like a particular song, and I am trying to figure out why they don't like that particular song.  

[taylor]

Nov 3, 2024 9:57:39 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

musicbuff this is a CHR Pop thread for Lady Gaga Disease. On this thread we discuss how it's doing on radio and streams. There's an Artist thread where you can discuss Lady Gaga.

I’m sure the moderators don’t need help doing their jobs. Otherwise, you would be one, and one of them would’ve said something about keeping on topic.

It’s not like they’re discussing an entirely separate person. They’re talking about Lady Gaga, and that conversation stemmed from a discussion they had about the very song this thread is the subject of. One could argue Gaga is equally the main subject, since “Disease” is her song.

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Anyways, this radio update seems great for a day 9, and I’m hoping it can climb back into the Top 20 here soon. Seems like it has a chance, if all metrics play out well.

[balletgirlmom]

Looks like a #28 Debut on the Billboard Hot 100.  Great song and I think it will be a grower.  Either way, her song, vocals, visuals are great and show us LG is back!

[leonagwen]

Nov 3, 2024 11:26:32 GMT -5 taylor said:

Nov 3, 2024 9:57:39 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

musicbuff this is a CHR Pop thread for Lady Gaga Disease. On this thread we discuss how it's doing on radio and streams. There's an Artist thread where you can discuss Lady Gaga.

I’m sure the moderators don’t need help doing their jobs. Otherwise, you would be one, and one of them would’ve said something about keeping on topic.

It’s not like they’re discussing an entirely separate person. They’re talking about Lady Gaga, and that conversation stemmed from a discussion they had about the very song this thread is the subject of. One could argue Gaga is equally the main subject, since “Disease” is her song.

---

Anyways, this radio update seems great for a day 9, and I’m hoping it can climb back into the Top 20 here soon. Seems like it has a chance, if all metrics play out well.

When an Gaga song is streaming well on Spotify Gaga fans will brag about it but when it doesn't stream we'll, Gaga stans are like, why care about the charts if the music is good? Typical stan behavior.

[ObhiDonna]

Nov 3, 2024 12:47:42 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Nov 3, 2024 11:26:32 GMT -5 taylor said:

I’m sure the moderators don’t need help doing their jobs. Otherwise, you would be one, and one of them would’ve said something about keeping on topic.

It’s not like they’re discussing an entirely separate person. They’re talking about Lady Gaga, and that conversation stemmed from a discussion they had about the very song this thread is the subject of. One could argue Gaga is equally the main subject, since “Disease” is her song.

---

Anyways, this radio update seems great for a day 9, and I’m hoping it can climb back into the Top 20 here soon. Seems like it has a chance, if all metrics play out well.

When an Gaga song is streaming well on Spotify Gaga fans will brag about it but when it doesn't stream we'll, Gaga stans are like, why care about the charts if the music is good? Typical stan behavior.

Saweetie, have you ever heard of a pot and why its calling a beautiful kettle black?

[ObhiDonna]

Nov 3, 2024 0:34:52 GMT -5 eyeofthestorm said:

I want a performance.

Looks like your wish might be fulfilled as Gaga’s latest instagram post people are theorising that it can be for a performance. I hope its completely unhinged.

[shakemaki]

RE: the convo about why do you care about the charts if you’re not at the record label: it’s not the charts explicitly that I care so much about. It’s the fact that a massive chart smash era means tons of exposure and awareness for an artist, thereby further cementing their legacy. It’s not the direct result of causal people going around being like “Lady Gaga is #1 on the hot 100 yall!”, it’s the indirect result of that sort of success leading to said casuals actually being aware of the music when they likely wouldn’t be otherwise.

Again, I think Gaga still needs her big mainstream era outside of her core generation (millennials) to cement herself in the Madonna, Britney, Rihanna (who has somehow stayed popular with young people with her old hits), Taylor etc camp, and I don’t think it’s quite happened yet. And I do stress about how much longer it’s viable, hence why I want this era to be it.

[munx 🐒🎯]

Almost completely memorized, so insanely catchy!!

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 3, 2024 12:47:42 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Nov 3, 2024 11:26:32 GMT -5 taylor said:

I’m sure the moderators don’t need help doing their jobs. Otherwise, you would be one, and one of them would’ve said something about keeping on topic.

It’s not like they’re discussing an entirely separate person. They’re talking about Lady Gaga, and that conversation stemmed from a discussion they had about the very song this thread is the subject of. One could argue Gaga is equally the main subject, since “Disease” is her song.

---

Anyways, this radio update seems great for a day 9, and I’m hoping it can climb back into the Top 20 here soon. Seems like it has a chance, if all metrics play out well.

When an Gaga song is streaming well on Spotify Gaga fans will brag about it but when it doesn't stream we'll, Gaga stans are like, why care about the charts if the music is good? Typical stan behavior.

When you like the music, you enjoy it regardless. When it does well, you celebrate it.

[Juanca]

I’d respectfully disagree.
After the Artpop debacle, it seemed she was about to hit rock bottom, and she kinda did with the flopping of PI . And even if she managed to get a hit with Million Reasons, that era seemed like a nail in the coffin.
But she came back with a vengeance and produced one of the biggest movie songs of recent times. It should’ve been a CHR hit but radio was stubborn or Gaga was once again ahead of the country-influenced curve. Even a couple of other songs in the soundtrack became streaming hits on their own.
And then she managed a #5 and another #1 in
The hot 100 with songs that were quite mainstream. Unfortunately the pandemic derailed all, but that was supposed to be her pop era. All this has cemented a career that was already like none else’s in recent times.
I really like Disease. It wouldn’t feel out of place in a modern rock chart of the late 90s, and I love it for that reason. It's the type of song that could work but need time, so I'm still hopeful it can become a hit :)

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 3, 2024 13:07:06 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

RE: the convo about why do you care about the charts if you’re not at the record label: it’s not the charts explicitly that I care so much about. It’s the fact that a massive chart smash era means tons of exposure and awareness for an artist, thereby further cementing their legacy. It’s not the direct result of causal people going around being like “Lady Gaga is #1 on the hot 100 yall!”, it’s the indirect result of that sort of success leading to said casuals actually being aware of the music when they likely wouldn’t be otherwise.

Again, I think Gaga still needs her big mainstream era outside of her core generation (millennials) to cement herself in the Madonna, Britney, Rihanna (who has somehow stayed popular with young people with her old hits), Taylor etc camp, and I don’t think it’s quite happened yet. And I do stress about how much longer it’s viable, hence why I want this era to be it.

If she doesn’t, will you enjoy the music less?

[Maximillian]

Somebody bring me some Tylenol. I don’t think I can do the Gaga needs another “Mainstream Era” discussion yet again. 🫡

[#LisaRinna]

US Spotify run:
Day 1: #16 - 1,097,768 plays
Day 2: #27 - 731,207 plays (-366,561)
Day 3: #43 - 530,848 plays (-200,359)
Day 4: #61 - 561,419 plays (+30,571)
Day 5: #76 - 511,596 plays (-49,823)
Day 6: #53 - 596,231 plays (+84,635)
Day 7: #82 - 573,828 plays (-22,403)

Week 1 total: 4,602,897 plays

Day 8: #87 - 548,334 plays (-25,494)
Day 9: #77 - 466,751 plays (-81,583)

[#LisaRinna]

Nov 2, 2024 8:59:16 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Music video: 6.84M

Lyric video: 4.30M

Official audio 2.02M

Music video: 7.80M

Lyric video: 4.51M

Official audio 2.30M

[Az Paynter]

Lol the leonamod costume needs to go away now, Halloween was last week~

It's still early days yet, streaming still has time to stabilize and radio can just as easily settle into this the same way they're running with Tate and The Weeknd (who I've said before, radio could well carry him top 10 just for being him).

[shakemaki]

Nov 3, 2024 15:03:11 GMT -5 Juanca said:

I’d respectfully disagree.
After the Artpop debacle, it seemed she was about to hit rock bottom, and she kinda did with the flopping of PI . And even if she managed to get a hit with Million Reasons, that era seemed like a nail in the coffin.
But she came back with a vengeance and produced one of the biggest movie songs of recent times. It should’ve been a CHR hit but radio was stubborn or Gaga was once again ahead of the country-influenced curve. Even a couple of other songs in the soundtrack became streaming hits on their own.
And then she managed a #5 and another #1 in
The hot 100 with songs that were quite mainstream. Unfortunately the pandemic derailed all, but that was supposed to be her pop era. All this has cemented a career that was already like none else’s in recent times.
I really like Disease. It wouldn’t feel out of place in a modern rock chart of the late 90s, and I love it for that reason. It's the type of song that could work but need time, so I'm still hopeful it can become a hit :)

But it feels like all of the successes since Artpop are with her older fandom, aside from Ariana fueling RoM’s #1 debut. Which I have always been vocal about having no idea why that wasn’t a massive smash past just the debut, but I digress.

I’m still waiting for her true generational legacy making era that happened with all of the prior mentioned pop icons. You can’t have that so early into your career and then be done, or else you lack that widespread generational appeal. It’s kinda like if Britney was done with that after ITZ, it just wouldn’t be the same for her legacy.

And no I won’t enjoy the music less if it’s not successful for the record. Artpop > Born This Way all day, Chromatica is her second best. These are clearly not her biggest eras.

[Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint]

Nov 3, 2024 11:26:32 GMT -5 taylor said:

Nov 3, 2024 9:57:39 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

musicbuff this is a CHR Pop thread for Lady Gaga Disease. On this thread we discuss how it's doing on radio and streams. There's an Artist thread where you can discuss Lady Gaga.

I’m sure the moderators don’t need help doing their jobs. Otherwise, you would be one, and one of them would’ve said something about keeping on topic.

It’s not like they’re discussing an entirely separate person. They’re talking about Lady Gaga, and that conversation stemmed from a discussion they had about the very song this thread is the subject of. One could argue Gaga is equally the main subject, since “Disease” is her song.

---

Anyways, this radio update seems great for a day 9, and I’m hoping it can climb back into the Top 20 here soon. Seems like it has a chance, if all metrics play out well.

Leona would fit right in with staff! I didn't realize we couldn't talk about a lady Gaga in her own song thread! And we could only talk about sales and streams 😕

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 3, 2024 21:10:08 GMT -5 Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint said:

Nov 3, 2024 11:26:32 GMT -5 taylor said:

I’m sure the moderators don’t need help doing their jobs. Otherwise, you would be one, and one of them would’ve said something about keeping on topic.

It’s not like they’re discussing an entirely separate person. They’re talking about Lady Gaga, and that conversation stemmed from a discussion they had about the very song this thread is the subject of. One could argue Gaga is equally the main subject, since “Disease” is her song.

---

Anyways, this radio update seems great for a day 9, and I’m hoping it can climb back into the Top 20 here soon. Seems like it has a chance, if all metrics play out well.

Leona would fit right in with staff! I didn't realize we couldn't talk about a lady Gaga in her own song thread! And we could only talk about sales and streams 😕

If Leona had her way, this thread would only have the daily radio updates and nothing else, like all those other threads for songs nobody's interested in. Page after page of radio updates and no discussion. Leona's dream.

[leonagwen]

Nov 3, 2024 21:12:32 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Nov 3, 2024 21:10:08 GMT -5 Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint said:

Leona would fit right in with staff! I didn't realize we couldn't talk about a lady Gaga in her own song thread! And we could only talk about sales and streams 😕

If Leona had her way, this thread would only have the daily radio updates and nothing else, like all those other threads for songs nobody's interested in. Page after page of radio updates and no discussion. Leona's dream.

I was responding to this tweet that someone posted. On CHR Pop threads We usually talk about charts and chart #s and radio updates

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 3, 2024 21:52:36 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Nov 3, 2024 21:12:32 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

If Leona had her way, this thread would only have the daily radio updates and nothing else, like all those other threads for songs nobody's interested in. Page after page of radio updates and no discussion. Leona's dream.

I was responding to this tweet that someone posted.

Yeah that was me, and I also posted some explanation around why I thought the tweet was interesting. It wasn't posted in isolation.

[leonagwen]

Nov 3, 2024 21:54:41 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Nov 3, 2024 21:52:36 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

I was responding to this tweet that someone posted.

Yeah that was me, and I also posted some explanation around why I thought the tweet was interesting. It wasn't posted in isolation.

People on CHR threads care about charts and chart #s and radio updates.

[SPRΞΞ]

What exactly is Britany’s legacy-cementing era? Femme Fatale? She was only 30 years old and her next 3-4 albums were bombs.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 3, 2024 21:57:49 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Nov 3, 2024 21:54:41 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Yeah that was me, and I also posted some explanation around why I thought the tweet was interesting. It wasn't posted in isolation.

People on CHR threads care about charts and chart #s and radio updates.

I'm a person in a CHR thread and I care about discussion and the artist, in addition to charts and chart #s. If someone wants only radio updates, there's literally a daily Mediabase Top 50 thread with updates. Go there.

Now stop derailing this thread or I'll report you.