Lady Gaga - "Disease"

[beachboi69]

I don't mean to cause any trouble. But the math is not mathing.

To be honest I actually think this is one of the best solo songs she has released in years.

TOP 10 biggest Music markets in the world. Official chart first week.


USA #27
JAPAN #3 (International songs)
UK #7
GERMANY #70
FRANCE #66
CANADA #27
AUSTRALIA #39
ITALY #53
BRAZIL #21
NETHERLANDS #54

GLOBAL #14

Its something I have never seen before. The rest of the markets are less less then 18%.

I also need to address my earlier comments because I work in radio. We had bad listener reaction to this song. The streaming numbers also have followed very close to reaction of listeners. I wish this song the best.

I understand everyone cares about the artist they want to succeed however when speaking about charts and single releases we discuss in these types of threads. There is a artist base thread for other types of conversations. Nobody should be attacked for pointing out facts.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

There's facts around a song's performance and then there's what you do with those facts.

So if you have the performance numbers of the single, the first thing you look at is whether it's a flop or not. I think terms like "flop" and "hit" are pretty general without a specific definition so that's always where the debate tends to be. It's different for everyone. For me, it mostly comes back to expectation, which itself is based on things like hype, amount of promotion, whether it's attached to a big album campaign, etc. So with "Disease", it's all of those. It had the video, it's a lead single, and the situation of it has the makings of it being a hit - if it were a typical song. I think the type of song it is is probably what's working against it most. That and if there were a live performance of it somewhere - late night, a morning show, award show, etc. But on paper, "Disease" isn't doing well (although it's stats on CHR Pop so far, to me, are surprisingly good. But I expect it to turn around pretty quickly. It'll peak soon and fall quickly is my prediction).

So the next question is: how do we use the stats and information? This is what seems to get people riled up because you have one side saying "it's a flop. She needs better music. She needs something more pop friendly." and you have the other side going "who cares? the fans love the song. Not everything can appeal to everyone."
I'm in camp 2. I'd rather a song I can dig into for the long term, even if it flops. A hit is nice, and Gaga fans have had their share of those to celebrate. As a Gaga fan, I personally think she has cemented a strong legacy and I think she will continue to add to that without the pop hits and Hot 100 smashes. Would I like her to continue having those? Sure. Does it ruin the music for me if she doesn't? Not a bit. What *would* ruin the music for me is if she put out a whole album of "The Cure"s. That was an okay pop song but it was too dry and faceless to come from someone as interesting (to me) as Gaga is.

I think Gaga can afford to not get pop hits and still succeed. She's recognized as talented. Her tours generally do well and I personally find each of her albums so far have had something distinct to offer. She's flopped before, or had underperforming albums and eras and despite that, she's still a big name, but more importantly, she's still delivering quality music.

And hey, all of this is being said while she's literally next in line for #1 on the Hot 100. Yeah, it's a duet, but I still think it's evidence that there's a little bit of choice at play with how big her singles can be. "Disease" was never going to be a major hit (unless it had somehow changed the course of the direction of mainstream music right now and let's be real, she'd done that already and that ship has long sailed).

[Enigma.]

At the minute I heard Disease, I was like "LOVE THIS (but it's not going to top the charts)". It's in the same league with Judas, Perfect Illusion, G.U.Y. etc - an aggressive pop song with a good hook but a sound that is not in at the moment. If you listen to Judas, for instance, absolutely NOTHING in that song makes sense, but somehow it still worked to some extent in 2011 and continues to work today with 1 million streams daily. However, it didn't work for pop radio back in 2011 and wouldn't work today.

Disease contains lyrics like:
"Screamin' for me, baby / Like you're gonna die"
"I can smell your sickness, I can cure your disease"
"You're so tortured when you sleep / Plagued with all your memories"

Not really groovy "that's that, espresso", is it?

Disease is a song that paves way to the next era, and trust me, there will be proper killer tracks in her sleeve for 2025.

[Push The Button]

Gaga struggled to get hits with these types of songs when she was at the peak of her career. Of course it was always going to be a huge uphill battle for a song like this today.

I still love it and it's still in heavy rotation. I am very excited for LG7 now.

[ObhiDonna]

Here’s hoping they are allowing the election nonsense die down before putting some more focus on this single.

[#LisaRinna]

US Spotify run:
Day 1: #16 - 1,097,768 plays
Day 2: #27 - 731,207 plays (-366,561)
Day 3: #43 - 530,848 plays (-200,359)
Day 4: #61 - 561,419 plays (+30,571)
Day 5: #76 - 511,596 plays (-49,823)
Day 6: #53 - 596,231 plays (+84,635)
Day 7: #82 - 573,828 plays (-22,403)

Week 1 total: 4,602,897 plays

Day 8: #87 - 548,334 plays (-25,494)
Day 9: #77 - 466,751 plays (-81,583)
Day 10: #90 - 396,233 plays (-70,518)
Day 11: #101 - 431,972 plays (+35,739)
Day 12: #104 - 427,363 plays (-4,609)
Day 13: #156 - 365,401 plays (-61,962)
Day 14: #140 - 387,626 plays (+22,225)

Week 2 total: 3,023,680 plays (-1,579,217)

Day 15: #160 - 378,148 plays (-9,478)

[musiclife]

All alarms should be going off with her team. They should be planning another single and call this one a buzz single. If every song sounds like this they need to get her into the studio to record 2 or 3 pop sounding songs and keep it silent so nobody knows. This is a disaster.

[eyeofthestorm]

I’m hoping this could be a similar situation like ‘Stupid Love’ and ‘Rain On Me’. Maybe they have something waiting in the wings that has a lot more typical hit potential once this peaks. The song previews in the video sounded ready to go.

[Enigma.]

Nov 9, 2024 13:02:23 GMT -5 musiclife said:

All alarms should be going off with her team. They should be planning another single and call this one a buzz single.

What difference does it make if this is the first single or "a buzz single"? You really haven't followed her career very closely, have you? She already has two albums where the second single have performed better than the first (three if we consider Poker Face a bigger hit than Just Dance, which is debatable). There is no reason why it couldn't happen again.

Von Dutch was the first single from Brat. Is it the biggest hit from it? No it's not. You can never tell how the eras turn out in the long run, but I guess you just like to hit the panic button.

[SPRΞΞ]

the xmas freeze is gonna start in like 2 weeks. I would not even tease anything else until Jan 1st at the earliest. DWAS is gonna be #1 anyways.

[Ivy Leegue™]

Nov 9, 2024 5:15:15 GMT -5 beachboi69 said:

I don't mean to cause any trouble. But the math is not mathing.

To be honest I actually think this is one of the best solo songs she has released in years.

TOP 10 biggest Music markets in the world. Official chart first week.


USA #27
JAPAN #3 (International songs)
UK #7
GERMANY #70
FRANCE #66
CANADA #27
AUSTRALIA #39
ITALY #53
BRAZIL #21
NETHERLANDS #54

GLOBAL #14

Its something I have never seen before. The rest of the markets are less less then 18%.

I also need to address my earlier comments because I work in radio. We had bad listener reaction to this song. The streaming numbers also have followed very close to reaction of listeners. I wish this song the best.

I understand everyone cares about the artist they want to succeed however when speaking about charts and single releases we discuss in these types of threads. There is a artist base thread for other types of conversations. Nobody should be attacked for pointing out facts.

...and nobody should consistently troll and bait on Pulse. Anyway, this poster is currently on sabbatical, y'all.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 9, 2024 13:02:23 GMT -5 musiclife said:

All alarms should be going off with her team. They should be planning another single and call this one a buzz single. If every song sounds like this they need to get her into the studio to record 2 or 3 pop sounding songs and keep it silent so nobody knows. This is a disaster.

Again - why? If all the songs sound like this, I'd assume her and her team would know to temper expectations and not expect #1 smashes with the material.

[shakemaki]

Nov 9, 2024 14:29:10 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Nov 9, 2024 13:02:23 GMT -5 musiclife said:

All alarms should be going off with her team. They should be planning another single and call this one a buzz single. If every song sounds like this they need to get her into the studio to record 2 or 3 pop sounding songs and keep it silent so nobody knows. This is a disaster.

Again - why? If all the songs sound like this, I'd assume her and her team would know to temper expectations and not expect #1 smashes with the material.

I agree with you. If this is indicative of the album, then I don’t at all think she’s gunning for commercial success this era or really expects it. I’ve made it known that would be a bummer to me, but that’s obviously her choice.

[collin]

It’s pretty obvious they led with a riskier single choice that they didn’t fully expect to connect. She’s been doing this for many album cycles. I expect a surefire hit at the top of 2025. Maybe even a collab.

[Nick]

I'll take good music over radio hits. The drama in these threads. Jesus.

[Love Plastic Love]

Nov 9, 2024 5:15:15 GMT -5 beachboi69 said:

I don't mean to cause any trouble. But the math is not mathing.


I also need to address my earlier comments because I work in radio. We had bad listener reaction to this song. The streaming numbers also have followed very close to reaction of listeners.

Just curious-you said Die With a Smile broke records for being the worst received/worst call outs for a song ever. Is this one breaking records again for the worst callouts in history? Like, even below DWAS?



I would not release a new single right now. They will get a few more weeks out of this, let DWAS play out, then January=new single.

[NeRD]

Nov 9, 2024 13:40:12 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

Nov 9, 2024 5:15:15 GMT -5 beachboi69 said:

I don't mean to cause any trouble. But the math is not mathing.

To be honest I actually think this is one of the best solo songs she has released in years.

TOP 10 biggest Music markets in the world. Official chart first week.


USA #27
JAPAN #3 (International songs)
UK #7
GERMANY #70
FRANCE #66
CANADA #27
AUSTRALIA #39
ITALY #53
BRAZIL #21
NETHERLANDS #54

GLOBAL #14

Its something I have never seen before. The rest of the markets are less less then 18%.

I also need to address my earlier comments because I work in radio. We had bad listener reaction to this song. The streaming numbers also have followed very close to reaction of listeners. I wish this song the best.

I understand everyone cares about the artist they want to succeed however when speaking about charts and single releases we discuss in these types of threads. There is a artist base thread for other types of conversations. Nobody should be attacked for pointing out facts.

...and nobody should consistently troll and bait on Pulse. Anyway, this poster is currently on sabbatical, y'all.

How was this post trolling? He clarified his intentions of his previous posts. I don't know, it seems like things are much more restricted when it comes to Gaga on this board. Maybe because her fans are more vocal and cant stand when anything negative is posted or discussed? I fail to see how pointing out chart facts through numbers that update every day is trolling. He's also in radio and has a first hand account of listener feedback.

But hey, I'm no mod so what do I know?

[†ealsünset]

Nov 9, 2024 17:32:41 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Nov 9, 2024 13:40:12 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

...and nobody should consistently troll and bait on Pulse. Anyway, this poster is currently on sabbatical, y'all.

How was this post trolling? He clarified his intentions of his previous posts. I don't know, it seems like things are much more restricted when it comes to Gaga on this board. Maybe because her fans are more vocal and cant stand when anything negative is posted or discussed? I fail to see how pointing out chart facts through numbers that update every day is trolling. He's also in radio and has a first hand account of listener feedback.

But hey, I'm no mod so what do I know?

He hasn't been trolling. He's only posted in this thread 4 times: twice on October 27th, once on Nov. 3rd and once on Nov. 9th. He posted 7 times in the Die with a Smile thread. He posts his opinion and when someone replies back with a meme or name-calling he responds once and that's it. He doesn't go tit-for-tat. That's not trolling.

[ObhiDonna]

Nov 9, 2024 17:32:41 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Nov 9, 2024 13:40:12 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

...and nobody should consistently troll and bait on Pulse. Anyway, this poster is currently on sabbatical, y'all.

How was this post trolling? He clarified his intentions of his previous posts. I don't know, it seems like things are much more restricted when it comes to Gaga on this board. Maybe because her fans are more vocal and cant stand when anything negative is posted or discussed? I fail to see how pointing out chart facts through numbers that update every day is trolling. He's also in radio and has a first hand account of listener feedback.

But hey, I'm no mod so what do I know?

You of all people should know about trolling mate, you do it consistently in all Gaga threads.

[#LisaRinna]

[ObhiDonna]

Nov 9, 2024 13:02:23 GMT -5 musiclife said:

All alarms should be going off with her team. They should be planning another single and call this one a buzz single. If every song sounds like this they need to get her into the studio to record 2 or 3 pop sounding songs and keep it silent so nobody knows. This is a disaster.

Sweetie, the 143 thread has a different URL, not this one.

[Ivy Leegue™]

Enough off-topic conversation, please and thank you.

[Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint]

Nov 9, 2024 17:32:41 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Nov 9, 2024 13:40:12 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

...and nobody should consistently troll and bait on Pulse. Anyway, this poster is currently on sabbatical, y'all.

How was this post trolling? He clarified his intentions of his previous posts. I don't know, it seems like things are much more restricted when it comes to Gaga on this board. Maybe because her fans are more vocal and cant stand when anything negative is posted or discussed? I fail to see how pointing out chart facts through numbers that update every day is trolling. He's also in radio and has a first hand account of listener feedback.

But hey, I'm no mod so what do I know?

Yeah it's a slippery slope that he is being called a troll for posting facts once or twice but other people can go on months on end trolling in other female pop star threads. I guess it's all about who staff likes or dislikes.

And I'm on the side of Gaga but we cant be unfair rules should be enforced equally whether it's a Gaga thread oe a Katy thread if we are a credible site.


As far as Disease goes if seems to be doing well on radio, I wish the streaming numbers increase.

[Az Paynter]

It was the fact that when you look at his post history a great majority of the last 10-15 posts were him dragging Gaga/her songs' chart performances in some way. It's a pattern that absolutely contribute itself to trolling allegations. Like... you just about only go into a certain artist's threads to post in bad faith? Nope.

[Enigma.]

Regarding the radio callouts, Gaga doesn't succeed in callouts because her voice is quite aggressive and distinctive for radio and the production is at times quite bizarre - the listener perhaps needs to find the song behind the production first. She writes great choruses but they are more of the banger side and not really "oh this flows well" side. I don't doubt a second that Disease would come dead last in callout scores. It might sound like heavy metal to some people. I would guess The Weeknd faces the same issues to some extent - would be great to see the callout scores for São Paulo lol

However, it made me laugh so hard that the poster said that DWAS had the worst callouts to discredit Gaga, considering Bruno actually leads the song and Gaga comes in at 1:25. The song clearly was just unfamiliar to people and the scores didn't have anything to do with the airplay potential itself.

[holdmecloser255]

Nov 9, 2024 19:09:06 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

Nov 9, 2024 13:02:23 GMT -5 musiclife said:

All alarms should be going off with her team. They should be planning another single and call this one a buzz single. If every song sounds like this they need to get her into the studio to record 2 or 3 pop sounding songs and keep it silent so nobody knows. This is a disaster.

Sweetie, the 143 thread has a different URL, not this one.

The rules of this forum state that you cannon compare other releases. 

No Baiting or Trolling

- referencing artists or songs in another artist’s or song’s thread in a manner that does not contribute to discussion 

Apparently, these rules do not apply to Gaga fans since they can get away with insults and off-topic 143 trolling. But people get warning points for simply contributing to the discussion in a respectful and meaningful manner. Interesting.

They are desperately trying to silence anyone who states the obvious: this lead singe is a total commercial failure. Leaving the Hot 100 in two weeks after massive support from her label, including enormous playlisting, is just atrocious. It will likely not chart on the Hot 100 in a week from now.        
     

[Ty]

[Ling-Ling]

Nov 10, 2024 2:34:24 GMT -5 holdmecloser255 said:

Nov 9, 2024 19:09:06 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

Sweetie, the 143 thread has a different URL, not this one.

The rules of this forum state that you cannon compare other releases. 

No Baiting or Trolling

- referencing artists or songs in another artist’s or song’s thread in a manner that does not contribute to discussion 

Apparently, these rules do not apply to Gaga fans since they can get away with insults and off-topic 143 trolling. But people get warning points for simply contributing to the discussion in a respectful and meaningful manner. Interesting.

They are desperately trying to silence anyone who states the obvious: this lead singe is a total commercial failure. Leaving the Hot 100 in two weeks after massive support from her label, including enormous playlisting, is just atrocious. It will likely not chart on the Hot 100 in a week from now.        
     

You do realize we can click on your profile and see all of your previous posts right? For OVER A MONTH every single one of your posts (outside of one) has been going into Gaga threads and doomposting about what a flop she is. Gaga fans don't have an issue with people talking about or critiquing her chart performance/music. We have an issue with posters like you deliberately spamming Gaga threads with one negative post after another. You have a very clear and obvious agenda. Get a life.

[holdmecloser255]

Nov 10, 2024 3:59:34 GMT -5 Ling-Ling said:

Nov 10, 2024 2:34:24 GMT -5 holdmecloser255 said:

The rules of this forum state that you cannon compare other releases. 

No Baiting or Trolling

- referencing artists or songs in another artist’s or song’s thread in a manner that does not contribute to discussion 

Apparently, these rules do not apply to Gaga fans since they can get away with insults and off-topic 143 trolling. But people get warning points for simply contributing to the discussion in a respectful and meaningful manner. Interesting.

They are desperately trying to silence anyone who states the obvious: this lead singe is a total commercial failure. Leaving the Hot 100 in two weeks after massive support from her label, including enormous playlisting, is just atrocious. It will likely not chart on the Hot 100 in a week from now.        
     

You do realize we can click on your profile and see all of your previous posts right? For OVER A MONTH every single one of your posts (outside of one) has been going into Gaga threads and doomposting about what a flop she is. Gaga fans don't have an issue with people talking about or critiquing her chart performance/music. We have an issue with posters like you deliberately spamming Gaga threads with one negative post after another. You have a very clear and obvious agenda. Get a life.

Because she's the one releasing content right now? And I literally just left a few comments about her movie, whose underperformance was widely discussed on various forums, as well as this song. I wasn't even discussing Gaga on this forum prior to this for several years. There is no "agenda" lol. 

Again, your post is clearly off-topic because you are bringing up my profile in a thread about the song. You are also resorting to personal insults, clearly violating the forum's rules, but it's not like the moderators actually care since Gaga fans seemingly get a free pass there. It's funny how you are commenting on my life while resorting to analyzing the comments of a random user.    
 

 

[ObhiDonna]

Nov 10, 2024 2:26:38 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Regarding the radio callouts, Gaga doesn't succeed in callouts because her voice is quite aggressive and distinctive for radio and the production is at times quite bizarre - the listener perhaps needs to find the song behind the production first. She writes great choruses but they are more of the banger side and not really "oh this flows well" side. I don't doubt a second that Disease would come dead last in callout scores. It might sound like heavy metal to some people. I would guess The Weeknd faces the same issues to some extent - would be great to see the callout scores for São Paulo lol

However, it made me laugh so hard that the poster said that DWAS had the worst callouts to discredit Gaga, considering Bruno actually leads the song and Gaga comes in at 1:25. The song clearly was just unfamiliar to people and the scores didn't have anything to do with the airplay potential itself.

Isn’t it pretty obvious that all radio callouts will be bad for a new song because of familiarity? It takes time for our brain to remember the music and build a connection with the song which drives the likeness rate. Unless there is another way the callout score is calculated I think its useless to talk about it just couple of weeks after a song’s release.