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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Nov 12, 2024 17:10:44 GMT -5
the timing is interesting lol |
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Post by Gary on Nov 12, 2024 17:15:48 GMT -5
There are charts for everyone
Sticky is #1 streaming
Goodbye Joe is #1 digital
A Bar Song is #1 radio
If you don't like those you can make your own chart and have whatever you want as #1
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 12, 2024 17:27:12 GMT -5
in my own experience, "Old Town Road" was never the event most painted it to be. I never really even listened to it in full, and certainly none of the endless remixes. Like I get there was something happening, but I don't necessarily think it's 100% deserving or organic the way TBS is. I know vast majority of us only frequent gay bars and such, but you walk into any str8 bar on any night of the week and this song is playing.
This whole "no one will remember this song in 3 years", "unprecedented payola" shtick is amusing. It's clearly a future classic.
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Post by badrobot on Nov 12, 2024 18:19:46 GMT -5
So many of you seem to think a song sounding “middle-of-the-road” makes it surprising when it’s a big hit — but that is a feature, not a bug.
We see over and over again that songs that have longevity are often the ones that *don’t* seem like big events, precisely because they hit a sweet spot of inoffensive to a broad variety of audiences but pleasant enough to listen to many times without becoming too annoying.
Many of the songs that feel more like events burn out fast because they quickly become overexposed or because they’re much more targeted to a particular audience.
So if anything, the surprise should be when a song that is highly unique or has a high cultural impact ends up lasting a long time.
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Post by andrebra on Nov 12, 2024 18:45:58 GMT -5
If you wanna talk this week, “Die With a Smile” is definitely more popular of a song this week than “A Bar Song.” Without radio, the points for songs would shake out like this: 15,110 - Sticky 15,050 - Die with a Smile 14,360 - That's So True 14,200 - St. Chroma 13,790 - A Bar Song 13,560 - Love Somebody 12,930 - Birds of a Feather 12,380 - Apt. ...so if you're rooting specifically for a situation where Die with a Smile beats A Bar Song, know that both were beaten this week by Tyler's Sticky, and likewise last week with Tyler's St. Chroma. I just brought up Die With a Smile because it was the next highest charting song last week. I don’t care which song would be highest, my point is just that if the chart actually accurately depicted what song was the most popular in America last week, it wouldn’t be A Bar Song. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 12, 2024 18:57:47 GMT -5
Without radio, the points for songs would shake out like this: 15,110 - Sticky 15,050 - Die with a Smile 14,360 - That's So True 14,200 - St. Chroma 13,790 - A Bar Song 13,560 - Love Somebody 12,930 - Birds of a Feather 12,380 - Apt. ...so if you're rooting specifically for a situation where Die with a Smile beats A Bar Song, know that both were beaten this week by Tyler's Sticky, and likewise last week with Tyler's St. Chroma. I just brought up Die With a Smile because it was the next highest charting song last week. I don’t care which song would be highest, my point is just that if the chart actually accurately depicted what song was the most popular in America last week, it wouldn’t be A Bar Song. But how are you measuring what was the most popular song in America last week? |
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Post by andrebra on Nov 12, 2024 19:09:17 GMT -5
I just brought up Die With a Smile because it was the next highest charting song last week. I don’t care which song would be highest, my point is just that if the chart actually accurately depicted what song was the most popular in America last week, it wouldn’t be A Bar Song. But how are you measuring what was the most popular song in America last week? If the medium in which a song is remaining in the top spot is one where the consumer is not specifically choosing to play the song and another force is (radio stations), I don’t consider that to be reflective of it being the most popular song in America. Clearly, as pointed out earlier, if radio were removed (which I want to make clear, I’m not advocating for it to be completely removed) it wouldn’t even be in the top 8. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Nov 12, 2024 19:11:51 GMT -5
meanwhile, 24 weeks at #1 for A Bar Song in Canada
most weeks at #1 US + Canada (since 2007) combined:
41 A Bar Song (Tipsy)
38 Old Town Road
33 As It Was
32 Despacito
30 I Gotta Feeling
29 Uptown Funk
28 Shape Of You
25 Closer
25 Blurred Lines
24 All I Want For Christmas Is You
23 Flowers
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Post by Gary on Nov 12, 2024 19:13:15 GMT -5
But how are you measuring what was the most popular song in America last week? If the medium in which a song is remaining in the top spot is one where the consumer is not specifically choosing to play the song and another force is (radio stations), I don’t consider that to be reflective of it being the most popular song in America. Clearly, as pointed out earlier, if radio were removed (which I want to make clear, I’m not advocating for it to be completely removed) it wouldn’t even be in the top 8. Disagree - consumer choice here too If A Bar Song is played on the radio, you can choose not to listen |
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Post by andrebra on Nov 12, 2024 19:21:23 GMT -5
If the medium in which a song is remaining in the top spot is one where the consumer is not specifically choosing to play the song and another force is (radio stations), I don’t consider that to be reflective of it being the most popular song in America. Clearly, as pointed out earlier, if radio were removed (which I want to make clear, I’m not advocating for it to be completely removed) it wouldn’t even be in the top 8. Disagree - consumer choice here too If A Bar Song is played on the radio, you can choose not to listen ?? Yeah you can “choose not to listen” by turning down the volume yet the song plays either way lol. |
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Post by Gary on Nov 12, 2024 19:56:49 GMT -5
Changing the station is another option? No?
If all the anti Shaboozey listeners turned the radio off or changed the station when the song came on It would stop being played
Next time you hear it on the radio. Try that
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Post by andrebra on Nov 12, 2024 23:35:40 GMT -5
Changing the station is another option? No? If all the anti Shaboozey listeners turned the radio off or changed the station when the song came on It would stop being played Next time you hear it on the radio. Try that With the kind of music they keep on loop for months on end, don’t worry the radio is always turned off for me <3 You're not getting my point so this will be the last time I engage with you, but a song getting less than 1,000,000 streams a day (around 1,200,000 less streams than the #1 song at that), #12 on Apple Music, and nowhere to be found on Amazon — unless my site is glitching — should not still be #1 because radio refuses to let it go. |
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Post by professord87 on Nov 13, 2024 0:49:52 GMT -5
The argument that a new artist can’t possibly have a big hit out of the gate is so hilarious as if it hasn’t been happening for decades. Like, are you people new?
As for “A Bar Song,” it doesn’t need to feel like ‘a moment’ to be a record-breaker, it just needs to have consistently more points than every other song for a longer period of time than other songs do. That’s really it. This need to find deeper meaning to explain why a song is a hit is as exhausting to read about as it must be to write about. You guys must be so tired. Huh? No one here has made that argument Acting like ABS is your typical faceless big hit is disingenuous. It's gonna set a new record for weeks at #1 ffs |
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Post by artistry on Nov 13, 2024 1:50:35 GMT -5
in my own experience, "Old Town Road" was never the event most painted it to be. I never really even listened to it in full, and certainly none of the endless remixes. Like I get there was something happening, but I don't necessarily think it's 100% deserving or organic the way TBS is. I know vast majority of us only frequent gay bars and such, but you walk into any str8 bar on any night of the week and this song is playing. This whole "no one will remember this song in 3 years", "unprecedented payola" shtick is amusing. It's clearly a future classic. I think Old Town Road targeted a larger audience than A Bar Song. Lil' Nas X went to the schools and kids went crazy for that song. It felt more like a pop cultural moment. Whereas the young demographic aren't going to be singing about going to the bar getting tipsy. |
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Post by After Minutes on Nov 13, 2024 2:18:07 GMT -5
arguing that "nobody listens to ABS" is stupid when many people very clearly do because that's why it has such a long run at #1
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 13, 2024 6:03:31 GMT -5
^The fact that ABS has been above Espresso for every week since they both debuted in the Hot 100, except for their first two weeks on the chart (if I'm not mistaken), makes it more impressive to me. ABS definitely has had more radio than Espresso. Espresso also had some of its thunder stolen once Please Please Please and then Taste came out. Such long runs at #1 in the Hot 100 don't happen in a vacuum and require the right environment to occur.
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Post by Gary on Nov 13, 2024 6:51:12 GMT -5
Basically every time this comes up where 'streaming has a different #1 than radio' 'radio refuses to let songs go' '#1 in Apple Music is..." 'nowhere to be found on Amazon' 'Spotify #1 is...' The answer is simple,,,,read a different chart.....here is one.... www.billboard.com/charts/streaming-songs/ |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 13, 2024 7:50:06 GMT -5
Without radio, the points for songs would shake out like this: 15,110 - Sticky 15,050 - Die with a Smile 14,360 - That's So True 14,200 - St. Chroma 13,790 - A Bar Song 13,560 - Love Somebody 12,930 - Birds of a Feather 12,380 - Apt. ...so if you're rooting specifically for a situation where Die with a Smile beats A Bar Song, know that both were beaten this week by Tyler's Sticky, and likewise last week with Tyler's St. Chroma. I just brought up Die With a Smile because it was the next highest charting song last week. I don’t care which song would be highest, my point is just that if the chart actually accurately depicted what song was the most popular in America last week, it wouldn’t be A Bar Song. You’re not making sense. Billboard’s job is to report what the most consumed song was for the 7-day period and “a Bar Song” is the one that has received the most points. You’re taking issue with that without providing anything substantial to support that or any alternatives. Make it make sense and don’t just complain. |
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 13, 2024 8:09:06 GMT -5
The key to ABS' final few weeks at #1 is and will be the country airplay (#5 there atm). Pop songs can never compete with that, so in practice only rap/r&b or country songs can lead the Hot 100 for 19-20 weeks - they can have at least the one extra airplay format that makes the difference. Extra formats are also the key why Lose Control is staying that high for so long. It has whopping EIGHT formats according to All Access. ABS has 5, DWAS has 4.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 13, 2024 8:20:31 GMT -5
I remember when Blurred Lines was storming up the charts, and it also had like 8 different formats going all at once. It even got a +1M audience update on AC, lol. Who remembers that?
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Post by Darkest Hour on Nov 13, 2024 8:25:13 GMT -5
Solo Imogen Heap song on US Spotify! I repeat, solo Imogen Heap song on US Spotify!
#194 Headlock (341,685 streams)
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 13, 2024 8:47:08 GMT -5
I don't see the difference between listening to TTH on Spotify and skipping a song, or listening to the radio in your car and switching the station when you don't like a song. One is not more "forceful" than the other. Spotify playlists are just as corrupt as radio playlists.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 13, 2024 9:32:01 GMT -5
I don't see the difference between listening to TTH on Spotify and skipping a song, or listening to the radio in your car and switching the station when you don't like a song. One is not more "forceful" than the other. Spotify playlists are just as corrupt as radio playlists. The one difference would be that you skipping a song on Spotify means it doesn't get a stream counted, but in theory a song could still get airplay credit even if you turn the station when it plays. Airplay isn't literally based on how many people hear a song; it's based on general ratings for time periods during which songs play (unless that has changed). Obviously it's in the best interest of stations to play the songs people want to hear so in general we can assume songs are being heard, but it also isn't 100% accurate since listens aren't monitored on a case-by-case basis. Radio doesn't hold as much weight as streaming for the Hot 100, though, so in the end it's a pointless debate. A song will not be high on the Hot 100 (and certainly not #1) based on airplay alone. It needs solid streaming to be in competition for a high spot. |
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Post by mms82 on Nov 13, 2024 9:46:16 GMT -5
I remember when Blurred Lines was storming up the charts, and it also had like 8 different formats going all at once. It even got a +1M audience update on AC, lol. Who remembers that? Yes, what a radio behemoth What’s the most formats a song has had? Uptown Funk or Thinking Out Loud? I remember they got like Jazz play or something crazy |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 13, 2024 9:50:45 GMT -5
Solo Imogen Heap song on US Spotify! I repeat, solo Imogen Heap song on US Spotify! #194 Headlock (341,685 streams) Imagine if this went viral and became a legit Hot 100 hit! |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 13, 2024 10:01:02 GMT -5
I remember when Blurred Lines was storming up the charts, and it also had like 8 different formats going all at once. It even got a +1M audience update on AC, lol. Who remembers that? Yes, what a radio behemoth What’s the most formats a song has had? Uptown Funk or Thinking Out Loud? I remember they got like Jazz play or something crazy "Hello" was on a crazy number of formats, too. I would say that's gotta be up there. I think it even got Urban play, lol. |
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Post by velaxti on Nov 13, 2024 11:48:05 GMT -5
the timing is interesting lol It makes sense. He's going to be mentioned in the news again if Shaboozey ties or breaks his record, so makes sense to capitalize off that, even if it's only a small bit of media coverage. |
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Post by clsvltn on Nov 13, 2024 12:05:34 GMT -5
Yes, what a radio behemoth What’s the most formats a song has had? Uptown Funk or Thinking Out Loud? I remember they got like Jazz play or something crazy "Hello" was on a crazy number of formats, too. I would say that's gotta be up there. I think it even got Urban play, lol. Blurred Lines - Pop, Hot AC, AC, Rhythmic, Urban, Urban AC - 6 formats Hello - Pop, Hot AC, AC, Rhythmic, Urban AC, Urban, Triple A, Dance - 8 formats I don't remember if Hello made the published Mediabase dance chart. i think it did for a week but it did appear on all of these formats. Uptown Funk - Pop, Rhythmic, HAC, Dance, AC, Triple A, Spanish Contemporary - 7 formats |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 13, 2024 13:03:50 GMT -5
"We Belong Together" - Top 40, Adult Pop, AC, R&B, Adult R&B, Dance, Smooth Jazz, Tropical, Latin Rhythm - 9 formats
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Post by sedrickwilhelm on Nov 13, 2024 13:39:55 GMT -5
Solo Imogen Heap song on US Spotify! I repeat, solo Imogen Heap song on US Spotify! #194 Headlock (341,685 streams) Holy crap! I love that song and Speak for Yourself is one of my favorite albums. What on earth caused it to get up there??? Tik Tok? |
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