Pulse Music Callout

[Rob64]

Guys, I had a stroke of genius when I was driving last week. I have no clue why I was thinking about Pulse Music while I was driving! LOL! as freakyflybry would say, "who knows"?

We should do a "Pulse Music Callout" instead of Peoplebase. Mike said it's a great idea. Now to see if there's interest. There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in the new Peepsbase.

Each week you'd send in your ratings, and you'd say if you're burned out on the song.

For those who don't know what callout is (if you don't know, what are you doing here? LOL!).. hundreds of people send in their ratings, out of 5, for the top 40 every week. They average out the ratings and create a chart with that. Plus they say how familiar people are with the songs, how many peeps heard it, and how many persons are burned out on it.

We can do that here, on a much smaller scale!

I think it's a great idea! Opinions??

[FreakyFlyBry]

Sounds like a good idea. I'd participate.

[joffre]

I'm in.

[Diablo Cody™]

sounds aight/

[benmcd2000]

Peoplebase died with the R&R Boards. It's time for something new and unique to the new board. I am in for this :)

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

My peoplebase was new and unique, kinda. ;)

However, this is a good idea and I may work with it.

[BlahBlahBlah]

Ooh... sounds great! But how are you gonna determine which songs to do? Take the Top X of all R&R Charts? I think that's how R&R does it.

[Matt4319]

This sounds like a good idea. Is it going to be all formats, or a chart for each format?

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Rob suggested that I use the Top 40 or Top 50 of the pop chart but that's too limiting and stuff. I'm thinking maybe take in suggested songs from each person every week and then the next week use the newly suggested songs. Maybe there'll be 100 songs in total every week or something.

I gotta find out exactly what R&R does too in tabulating the votes. It sounds like a great idea and at least this way it won't be competing with the Pulse chart the way PB3 kinda does.

[Rob64]

suggest one song a week?

mike, if it becomes too complicated, it won't work.

[BFMR]

sounds good

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Ok, all I really know about callout is that people are given a list of songs where they rate them based on likeness (here, I'd probably make it a 0-5 rating with no decimal places).
Then they rate them based on burn-factor (again, 0-5)
And then rate them on familiarity (0-5).
But the familiarity one for me kinda seems a bit useless.

I'd probably add up all the points and make some kinda % out of the data and then present two (or three, if familiarity is used) different "charts" based on info. Or simply present one like R&R does and then add on two columns, one for burn and one for familiarity.

[Rob64]

percentages would be more fun than 1 - 5, i think

[Unexpected]

Sounds fun, if we do different formats, I'm up for CHR/Pop, CHR/Rhythmic, and Alternative.

[strong4PMB!]

Yeah.

[BlahBlahBlah]

Rob64's said:

Then they rate them based on burn-factor (again, 0-5)
And then rate them on familiarity (0-5).
But the familiarity one for me kinda seems a bit useless.

Actually for Burn and Familiarity, it's just a Yes/No question. You would then calculate the % of people said Yes for Burn. As for Familiarity, it's the same deal, but of course, if someone is unfamiliar with a certain song, you wouldn't take their 1-5 rating into account.

[insect2]

Sounds cool. As a possibility, what about using the Pulse 100 as a chart for basis?

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

BlahBlahBlah said:

Actually for Burn and Familiarity, it's just a Yes/No question. You would then calculate the % of people said Yes for Burn. As for Familiarity, it's the same deal, but of course, if someone is unfamiliar with a certain song, you wouldn't take their 1-5 rating into account.

Yeah, I realized that later.

BTW, how would the list be done out? If 50 people vote, for example, song 10 people vote for song A as knowning it and give it a 5 while 40 people vote unfamiliar, would that song receive a higher rating than if 30 people voted song B as 3 and 20 people voted it unfamiliar?

Song A - 10 votes (all 5) = 50 points - familiarity: 20%
Song B - 30 votes (all 3) = 60 points - familiarity: 60%

[BlahBlahBlah]

Rob64's said:

BTW, how would the list be done out? If 50 people vote, for example, song 10 people vote for song A as knowning it and give it a 5 while 40 people vote unfamiliar, would that song receive a higher rating than if 30 people voted song B as 3 and 20 people voted it unfamiliar?

R&R's Callout America has a rule for requiring at least 40% familiarity to appear in print. You might want to use that too then.

[EvanJ]

Well maybe make one column for points divided by people who have heard it and another column for points divided by total people.
I want the values done from 1 to 5 so that I can compare them to RateTheMusic on Mediabase without having to convert the numbers (I would divide by 20 to gp from out of 100 to out of 5). It is mathematically better to divide by 20 before the data is rounded. Doing it from 1 to 5 would also give it the same precision as RateTheMusic. RateTheMusic uses two decimal places so its precision would be out of 500. If you do out of 100 with one decimal place it would have precision out of 1,000.
I just realized if you post how many people rated each song, I could get the exact values to any precision. Will you post how many people rated each song?
RateTheMusic doesn't have an all-formats chart so I couldn't compare an all-formats chart here to anything.
I'd compare to RateTheMusic 12+ and Males 12+ if they have that because everybody or almost everybody contributing will be male. I could post if you people agree with the men or the women.

[Rob64]

That's an awesome idea, EvanJ!

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

I need to figure out a good way to do this. :)

The reason why I said 0-5 was because someone that doesn't like a song would give it 0, thus not giving it any points. If you don't like a song, it shouldn't still get a point.

I definately want to try this out though. I just need some assistance when figuring out how it works. When I get some time, perhaps I'll read EvanJ's post in more depth.

[dragoneyez]

Sounds like a good idea, better than PB3 [no offense, but PB was never that great of a chart to begin with]. I'd participate.

[BlahBlahBlah]

Rob64's said:

I need to figure out a good way to do this. :)

The reason why I said 0-5 was because someone that doesn't like a song would give it 0, thus not giving it any points. If you don't like a song, it shouldn't still get a point.

I like 1-5 more, because then 3 would be in between, which someone would choose if they're indifferent to a song. With 0-5, you can't really do that. It's either like or not like, and I don't really like that.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Hmmm, that's true. How about a 0-10? 5 is the exact in between # there!

Now, I need someone to explain how it works. What determines if a song is #1 Callout?

[BlahBlahBlah]

Rob64's said:

Hmmm, that's true. How about a 0-10? 5 is the exact in between # there!

Now, I need someone to explain how it works. What determines if a song is #1 Callout?

If a song has the highest average and at least 40% familiarity, then it is considered #1 Callout. I still like 1-5 because it's less confusing, plus R&R and RateTheMusic.com both use the system.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

I suppose 1-5 is the same anyways. Getting a 1 won't make a difference I suppose. So I'll use that. :)

I have a website, email and bravenet account all set up for this! It'll be called Pulse Callout. I plan on setting it up hopefully sometime this weekend!

The way it'll work is you'll go to the website, vote with the webform, I'll tabulate it and then release it on that website!

I was also trying to figure out how songs were tabulated but now I know! You simply get the average of the votes. If a song has an average of 4.5, it'll be higher than a song with an average for 4.0, even if the higher ranked song has less people but still meets the 40% requirements, right? I'll work with it anyways.

Should I also always stick by the Pulse chart (Top 50, for example)?

I also plan on possibly sticking in 10 extra songs at random at the bottom. Basically brand new songs that will probably be different every week, just so see where they rank and then hopefully, based on their rankings, it might help people discover them. I'll probably call it the Discovery Section or something.

Callout Discovery! That'll be the title!
Basically, it's purpose will be to get songs noticed! If a song has a 10% familiarity but a rating of 4.8, for example, it might get other people to give it a chance! The ratings for all five songs will be available just to see since all 5 songs will probably be new and therefore not known. It's basically a way to find new music! :)

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

OK! I plan on having it up this weekend! It's run from Sunday to Saturday again and hopefully the website will be up by then. I have everything all signed up for and ready to go!

I haven't decided on the total number of songs to be considered though. Have people vote on the Top 50 of Pulse plus the Callout Discovery, which might consist of 5 songs?

For Callout Discovery, I was also thinking of having a text box at the bottom where people could submit suggestions for the next Callout Discovery and maybe I could put all suggestions in the next edition or something?

Anyways, starting this Sunday, I hope to have Pulse Callout ready to go!