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Post by FreakyFlyBry on Dec 1, 2003 14:46:41 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why my "2002 vs. 2003" topic got deleted? Rebirth? Matt? It was moved to The Polling Booth. |
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Post by George Tropicana on Dec 1, 2003 14:58:04 GMT -5
Lucy Woodward, "Dumb Girls"
Lillix, "It's About Time"
Maria, "I Give, You Take"
I disagree about "There's Gotta Be More To Life."
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Post by FriendsFan on Dec 1, 2003 18:56:30 GMT -5
The song was already a hit even before that happened, and it had already peaked at #20 on the hot 100. If that sudden gain of spins was because Payola, then it nothing to the song and RCA wasted their money. In my opinion, the reason for "Fighter" resurge is because it was also the time, when the Justified/Stripped tour kicked in. You know, if you hear "Fighter" at so-so time, call in and be the __ caller and win tickets to the concert. |
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Post by af18c on Dec 1, 2003 19:25:24 GMT -5
Payola ??? ???
Enlighten me please
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Post by irice22 on Dec 1, 2003 20:12:11 GMT -5
Lucy Woodward, "Dumb Girls" Lillix, "It's About Time" Maria, "I Give, You Take" Interesting, but why? |
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Post by danwxman on Dec 1, 2003 20:46:20 GMT -5
Absolutely disagree with all those choices. As a matter of fact, you demonstrated you have absolutely no knowledge of how radio works. What songs do you think used Payola in the year to get to their peak position? Here are the most obvious ones in my opinion. 1. Kelly Clarkson "Miss Independent"-I truly think this song could have gotten to #1 on it's own, but you have to be an idiot to think that RCA and The American Idol crew absolutely did nothing to help this single succeed. This single was released at the time "American Idol 2" was at it's peak, and if the single would've flopped then people would think that AI2 is pointless since it doesn't do anything to people's careers, so in a way they had to make sure it was going to be a success. 2. Justin Timberlake "Rock Your Body" and R. Kelly "Ignition"-Two songs off of the same Record Company hitting #1 back to back and ruling the top 2 for weeks on end is a little suspicious. Jive original purpose was probably to only Payola "Rock Your Body", but decided to get "Ignition" there first since the single was already a huge hit on the other formats. 3. Michelle Branch "Are You Happy Now"-My theory on this single is that at first the record company let it go without any help, and it began slowing down at an alarming rate so they put their money to work. Poor record sales from "Hotel Paper" is also more evidence. |
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Post by danwxman on Dec 1, 2003 20:49:11 GMT -5
Wrong. No. Nope. Nadda.
Payola doesn't exist, PROMOTION exists! Sometimes favors...Mainly in the really large markets and the small markets. But payola?? Hahaha.
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Post by Eyeball on Dec 1, 2003 20:50:29 GMT -5
Daniel Bedingfield "If You're Not The One" - How else would an incredibly boring song like this hit #7? Especially after "James Dean" flopped at #36.
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Post by jimmy74747 on Dec 2, 2003 8:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by Ragin on Dec 2, 2003 9:37:43 GMT -5
Wrong. No. Nope. Nadda. Payola doesn't exist, PROMOTION exists! Sometimes favors...Mainly in the really large markets and the small markets. But payola?? Hahaha. I'm starting to believe this may be true to an extent. I think it is more about favors and so forth, but it still amounts to payola. Unless you have a completely fresh sound that burns it up, you won't get played on the radio without friends in high places, and is that really any different than payola? |
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Post by Zander on Dec 2, 2003 9:52:19 GMT -5
Wrong. No. Nope. Nadda. Payola doesn't exist, PROMOTION exists! Sometimes favors...Mainly in the really large markets and the small markets. But payola?? Hahaha. |
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Post by Zander on Dec 2, 2003 9:54:21 GMT -5
Daniel Bedingfield "If You're Not The One" - How else would an incredibly boring song like this hit #7? Especially after "James Dean" flopped at #36.
'James Dean' just wasn't very good. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2003 16:19:44 GMT -5
Wrong. No. Nope. Nadda. Payola doesn't exist, PROMOTION exists! Sometimes favors...Mainly in the really large markets and the small markets. But payola?? Hahaha. Erykah Badu, signed to Motown, says she sees payola deals get made all the time. |
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Post by j on Dec 2, 2003 20:56:39 GMT -5
That takes care of almost every song released in 2003. Others: Avril Lavigne "I'm With You"-Whoever says this wasn't payload needs to look at the facts, Avril needed this song to go to #1 in order to take the record away from Mariah Carey, and that other Ballad out at the time was a major threat into making Avril not achieve this record, so they gave it a huge payola boost after Christmas. Jennifer Lopez f/ LL Cool J "All I Have"-Just seems like one of those one's that used it, no specific reason. Britney Spears f/ Madonna "Me Against The Music"-Okay, i know this single depended a lot on hype, but Jive must've put a little money into it, or they are idiots. Their biggest artist comming off of a 1 year hiatus and them not giving Payola to her first single would be stupid of them. Just out of curiosity, did he get a warning for trying to instigate an Avril or Britney fight yet again. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 2, 2003 20:58:54 GMT -5
Christina rules the payolla booth.
I just don't see no name artists like Amanda Perez and Frankie J getting to where they got without a grass roots movement. I dont think payolla had anything to do at all with their success, being that they are semi-underground artists.
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Post by specialist on Dec 3, 2003 6:36:29 GMT -5
Britney rules it. 100% of her singles this year were payolaed. Can't say the same about anyone else.
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Post by Zander on Dec 3, 2003 7:00:27 GMT -5
Britney rules it. 100% of her singles this year were payolaed. Can't say the same about anyone else.  |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 3, 2003 9:00:47 GMT -5
He's just upset the Christina had more payolla than any artist this year.
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Post by specialist on Dec 3, 2003 13:33:18 GMT -5
No i think you're just upset that they payolaed it and it still flopped.  Unless you consider suddenly being all buddy buddy with Clearchannel by appearng at their shows as not being payola. |
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Post by radiorules on Dec 3, 2003 14:40:13 GMT -5
I don't understand RCA's logic if you guys claim all of Christina's single are using Payola. #1, what the hell happened with Dirrty? and #2, if RCA is really spending that much money becaue radio appearantly hates Christina with out any of their help, then why the heck would they even release a 4th or a 5th single if they are coughing up so much dough and not making any profits from it? It makes no sense whatsoever. Releasing a 4th and 5th singles shows confidence from RCA that Christina could score more hits and it wouldn't cost them anything.
I think Britney fans are just upset that their "Clear Channel Blacklisting" theory backfired in their faces and that Britney can't even score a top ten hit with or without Clear Channel, and Madonna on the track didn't help at all. What can she possibly do that's more hyped up than a Madonna collabo? Nothing. It's pretty sad. I think in the next couple of weeks we will see a lot of rage from the Britney fans towards Christina's fans because Britney's album will be plummeting down the charts, and TVW will be on it's way to outpeaking MATM, which is a huge embarrasement. That's something Britney's fans can't seem to handle, watching Christina succeed more than Britney. For years now Christina's fans had to accept that Britney is more successful, and i'm really glad things might be changing soon.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 3, 2003 15:53:02 GMT -5
They didnt payolla anything. Britney's record companies know that her songs sell better at the stores but dont need alot of airplay to generate those sales so they do not even bother to payolla her songs.
Christina on the other hand had more payolla this year than any other artist in the history of the music business.
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Post by irice22 on Dec 3, 2003 16:40:57 GMT -5
(And since when do payola-ed singles peak outside the top 10?) [/b] [/quote] Oh I am sure they do a lot! But not to say that Britney was payola'd. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2003 16:46:42 GMT -5
No reason given. I wonder why. (And since when do payola-ed singles peak outside the top 10?) The peak depends on the amount of money being sent out. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 3, 2003 16:55:03 GMT -5
Either way the record company knew how much it had to cough up in order to get into the top 10.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 3, 2003 19:34:59 GMT -5
You guys focus too much on what you *think* payola is and no one here has really seen any proof of how it works or whatever.
Maybe songs are payolaed once for a short period of time to get them going at their beginning and then once they're known enough after that boost, they live their own lives on radio. Have any of you ever thought of that?! Maybe payola isn't forced but it's optional. If stations don't want to be involved with a certain artist/song, they have the choice not to be. So it's possible that some songs were attempted at payola but never went through. Seriously, you people should at least educate yourself on the whole idea before you start talking about it the way you are.
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Post by M on Dec 3, 2003 19:54:37 GMT -5
You guys focus too much on what you *think* payola is and no one here has really seen any proof of how it works or whatever.
Maybe songs are payolaed once for a short period of time to get them going at their beginning and then once they're known enough after that boost, they live their own lives on radio. Have any of you ever thought of that?! Maybe payola isn't forced but it's optional. If stations don't want to be involved with a certain artist/song, they have the choice not to be. So it's possible that some songs were attempted at payola but never went through. Seriously, you people should at least educate yourself on the whole idea before you start talking about it the way you are. Totally agree. All this bickering is nonsense. I hope you guys realize that you're merely speculating. You have no solid evidence, data, whatever to justify your argument. I don't understand why this is such a heated debate. |
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Post by Matt4319 on Dec 4, 2003 10:56:52 GMT -5
Britney rules it. 100% of her singles this year were payolaed. Can't say the same about anyone else. 100% of 1? ??? |
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Post by Zander on Dec 4, 2003 13:17:37 GMT -5
LOL! Just more proof that a certain poster is just spouting nonsense...
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Post by j on Dec 4, 2003 14:39:37 GMT -5
LOL! Just more proof that a certain poster is just spouting nonsense... LOL. I'm eagerly awaiting his response. Yeah, right. |
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Post by specialist on Dec 4, 2003 14:53:41 GMT -5
i guess i'm giving you guys more credit than you deserve...did you not realise the whole point of saying 100% was BECAUSE she's only had one single? one single, that was payolaed? there's nothing to be confused about there, just blatant obvious truth. jesus christ... |
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