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Post by automyskin89 on Jan 31, 2005 17:44:15 GMT -5
I think it makes them look really stupid. I don't know why they think it's quote unquote "cool" to cuss in a song. I don't really mind it but I think it's really dumb when they do it. I think some songs that people cuss in don't even need it. It's just there, songs really could do with out it. What do you think about cussing in songs?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 31, 2005 18:18:24 GMT -5
I personally don't see the big deal. A word's a word. Some words just have meanings that other people consider to be "bad" or whatever. As long as it doesn't sound like they're trying to be cool by using a cuss word then it doesn't really matter to me. It's the same thing as using a word like "hella" or whatever happens to be the word/phrase of the moment. If it fits, use it.
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Post by irice22 on Jan 31, 2005 19:43:30 GMT -5
As long as it doesn't sound like they're trying to be cool by using a cuss word Which is usually the case. |
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 31, 2005 23:30:34 GMT -5
In rap songs I think it is unneccessary for the most part but other songs I think it often fits. I think people who think that people swear to look cool probably have some sort of mini-issue and they feel intimidated or something.
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Post by Night Senses on Feb 1, 2005 1:19:21 GMT -5
I don't look too deep into it. It's not really a big deal to me, because ultimately, my liking for a song is not going to be based on curse words or lack thereof.
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Post by GiggaWho on Feb 1, 2005 1:26:16 GMT -5
I don't look too deep into it. It's not really a big deal to me, because ultimately, my liking for a song is not going to be based on curse words or lack thereof. Yeah, that's how I feel too. |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 1, 2005 9:25:37 GMT -5
I dont think I have ever been bothered by curse words in a song. Most of the time, I think they fit. Most of the artists I listen to only insert a cuss word here and there...and where it makes sense  |
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 1, 2005 9:38:58 GMT -5
As with me.
Let's look at some examples:
Alanis:
"And are you thinking of me when you fucked her"
People who thinks she wrote that line just to look cool. Let's rewrite it:
"And are you thinking of me when you had sex with her"
Hmmm... doesn't work.
Sarah McLachlan
"You're so beautiful. A beautiful fucked up man"
k, now let's try it again
"You're so beautiful. A beautiful messed up man"
While it does work in one sense, it doesn't "capture" the "essence" that Sarah was probably trying to create. Being a "beautiful fucked up man" as compared to a "beautiful messed up man" just sounds better and to me gets the meaning across that the guy is probably "fucked up" on many more as well as deeper levels than simply being "messed up".
That's all the examples I have off the top of my head. I'll think of more later. But the way I see it, any singers or writers that use "swear words" to look cool probably already jumped on some sort of bandwagon in terms of producers or sounds or look or what-have-you to already try to "look cool", i.e. Jennifer Lopez.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 1, 2005 9:46:39 GMT -5
Great examples, especially Alanis. I cannot imagine that song any other way-no other word would have captured the raw...anger in that song.
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Post by jimmy74747 on Feb 1, 2005 10:12:40 GMT -5
Rappers use it because it sounds "street" or "tough". But then again, most rap songs are ignorant anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It just shows a lack of creativity. The Alanis song needed it. As The Max said, nothing else would have worked there. Songs that have real anger like "You Oughta Know" or Eminem's "Stan" are better with the curse words. Sarah's wasn't as necessary. "A beautiful messed up man" would fit just as well. Plus that song gets played on AC stations, and we all know that there is no place for bad lyrics there.  |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 1, 2005 10:16:23 GMT -5
I dont know if Sarah NEEDED it, but I know its a HUGE letdown when I hear it as beautiful messed up man (she has performed it where she says that)
I dont think its an example of an artist just trying desperately to be cool, haha.
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Post by halo19 on Feb 1, 2005 19:48:31 GMT -5
If cursing is used sparingly, I think it's just fine. However, if people use it in the sense mentioned on being "tough", "street", or "cool", it really makes my eyes roll.
There's a bit of a difference between the Smashing Pumpkins and Limp Bizkit, for example. Sometimes TSP use profanity, and usually, it actually sounds right. However, I completely lost respect for LB whenever I heard "Hot Dog", which just tries to say the f-word as many times as possible. What an embarrassing song.
My favorite band that doesn't have any cursing on any track: The White Stripes.
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Post by automyskin89 on Feb 1, 2005 21:26:33 GMT -5
I just think it makes the artist look bad, desperate, ya I know that sounds odd, but that's how I feel. I don't really care that much but they do it so much sometimes in songs and it looks stupid.
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Post by freeek04 on Feb 1, 2005 21:39:03 GMT -5
when it's gratuitious and replaces descriptors, it's ridiculous. But imo, "You Oughta Know" needed that lyric, it needed that to punctuate the rawness and anger of the emotion. It just accentuated it so well.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Feb 2, 2005 2:14:30 GMT -5
As with me.
Let's look at some examples:
Alanis:
"And are you thinking of me when you f**ked her"
People who thinks she wrote that line just to look cool. Let's rewrite it:
"And are you thinking of me when you had sex with her"
Hmmm... doesn't work.
Sarah McLachlan
"You're so beautiful. A beautiful f**ked up man"
k, now let's try it again
"You're so beautiful. A beautiful messed up man"
While it does work in one sense, it doesn't "capture" the "essence" that Sarah was probably trying to create. Being a "beautiful f**ked up man" as compared to a "beautiful messed up man" just sounds better and to me gets the meaning across that the guy is probably "f**ked up" on many more as well as deeper levels than simply being "messed up".
That's all the examples I have off the top of my head. I'll think of more later. But the way I see it, any singers or writers that use "swear words" to look cool probably already jumped on some sort of bandwagon in terms of producers or sounds or look or what-have-you to already try to "look cool", i.e. Jennifer Lopez. As I was going through the thread reading all the responses before I type mine, I already had thought of mentioning the Sarah McLachlan "Building A Mystery" also. |
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Post by johnm1120 on Feb 2, 2005 13:31:57 GMT -5
When every other word is fuck, then it makes them look really stupid and look they're trying to get attention. What really is unnecessary if the different slang phrases for "suck my dick" they have to use.
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Post by reception on Feb 8, 2005 10:26:05 GMT -5
Didn't Lloyd Banks flip the bird in his "I'm So Fly" video?
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Feb 9, 2005 1:11:38 GMT -5
If the onslaught of the f-word in "Hot Dog" by Limp Bizkit makes it trash (which I agree it most certainly does), one song that gratuitously uses the f-word for its own sake and the "shock value" that is actually done well is "Para-noir" by Marilyn Manson.
The verses are this girl saying a bunch of different reasons that she fucks Manson. ("I fuck you because you're famous," "I fuck you so I have a place to stay," "I fuck you for your money," "I fuck you because I can't remember if I fucked you before," etc.) Manson then comes in on the chorus singing, "F**k you because I loved you/F**k you for loving you too/I don't need a reason to hate you the way I do."
At 6 minutes, it's the longest song on The Golden Age of Grotesque and it's my favorite. It's sinister, it's fascinating, and it's way more original than all the other songs on the album.
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