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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jul 21, 2004 19:12:26 GMT -5
I've read a few articles lately that seem to put down an artist or band because they are "derivative". It made me think that most bands could probably be labeled derivative of some other bands. What bands do you think have been truly original and groundbreaking?
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Post by bluenote on Jul 21, 2004 19:26:39 GMT -5
No Doubt
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Post by allow that on Jul 21, 2004 20:22:51 GMT -5
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Radiohead
Maroon 5
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Post by Ragin on Jul 21, 2004 20:32:02 GMT -5
No Doubt didn't start ska, and they certainly had reggae influences. I, too find them unique, but original can be overrated when it comes to music. |
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 21, 2004 20:41:57 GMT -5
I know exactly what you mean.
In this day in age, it is virtually impossible not to plagiarize another artist somehow unintentionally because all the chords have been used up and styles worked with.
However, I do find this particular artists original:
The Who: THE original Alternative band. As the Beatles are to mainstream rock, The Who is the father of Alternative rock. They were the ones who inspired smashing guitars and totalling drumsets, sliding across the stage on your knees with guitar in hand, the propeller swing and strum guitarist maneuver, etc. On top of it all, they were a massive influence to the use of politics and rock and roll with "Won't Get Fooled Again".
Led Zeppelin: One band that continued to experiment with their guitars. On and on they evolved their versatile sound, and by the time they got to Led Zeppelin IV, they reached the peak of critical praise.
Pink Floyd: They revolutionized the way rock bands could produce their records. "Dark Side of the Moon" was their absolute golden age, where each track had a unique atmosphere which they could imitate just as well in concert.
The Kinks: They're arguably the predecursor of the Punk Movement. They had a keen and fresh blend of the more poppy and Alternative styles of rock, which punk bands would later pick up on.
Joni Mitchell: An incredible songwriter and guitarist who I think gets overlooked quite a lot. She always made up her own chords when she wrote songs and performed, which so many fail to ever learn to play. On top of it all, up until her recent retirement from the music industry, she continued evolving her sound.
Bob Marley: The one and only original reggae king.
The B-52's: It's their personality to their sound that makes this group original. With their catchy surf rock riffs and happiness exhibiting their fun-loving songs, they encouraged and proved to many it is not only OK to be weird, it is hip.
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OK, I said quite a lot of the classics here. truly, there are modern and current artists who also get credit for being fresh.
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Incubus: Though they know well what their platform is, they never mind being adventurous with the atmosphere to their blend of hard rock, metal, funk, groove and pop. The production is exquisite, and adds an extra dimension to the sound.
They Might Be Giants: This band, known for their quirky songwriting ("Birdhouse in Your Soul", "Istanbul 'Not Constantinople'", "Particle Man") and the sampling of all kinds of sounds to their rock and roll, continues to be a under-the-radar favorite.
Sincerely,
Noah Eaton
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 21, 2004 20:45:37 GMT -5
They are the most original band that's charted CHR/Pop within the past few years I think. The production to their music is what makes them sound exciting, and the ability to imitate the sound in a live setting. Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by Ragin on Jul 21, 2004 20:45:41 GMT -5
I've read a few articles lately that seem to put down an artist or band because they are "derivative". It made me think that most bands could probably be labeled derivative of some other bands. What bands do you think have been truly original and groundbreaking? Groundbreaking? Well people will groan, but there is no question that the Beatles were groundbreaking. They paved the way for a lot of different production effects on albums. The Who did a number of interesting things that were ultimately copied by the likes of Pink Floyd and others. Buddy Holly and the Crickets were probably just as instrumental as Bill Haley's Comets in bringing Rock and Roll to the forefront, if not more so. Buddy Holly really brought the R&B to the masses playing the country venues. Jimmi Hendrix blazed a trail of the music over vocals trend. James Brown brought soul into the mainstream, and was one of the major influences that helped Black artists cross over. I'll argue that U2 brought a unique sound to the scene that still persists in their music today, very few copycats that can get it to work. Like 'em or hate 'em but the Beastie Boys clearly brought something unique to the table in a Rap meets rock sort of way. 311 was a more alternative form of the Beastie Boys less heavy on the rap. None-the-less, they are actually very unique and I still haven't really heard anyone else with quite the same sound or style. 311 was doing their thing back in 1990 or something. The Dave Matthews Band has got to be one of the biggest mysteries of music today. Very unique, difficult to copy though it's been tried, leading the way to the success of quality music. Those are my choices for groundbreaking and original bands that are fairly high profile. I tend not to think of groups like Nirvana, or the Ramones, because no matter how many people say it, the fact is there were tons of bands just like them happening on the scene at the exact same time, they just happen to get the notice. In other words they didn't actually influence the music scene, the scene was already there at the local level. That's not to say that the first band of a movement doesn't pave the way for the rest if successful, but the fact that it is a movement suggests it might have been anybody. |
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Post by Ragin on Jul 21, 2004 20:48:52 GMT -5
I know exactly what you mean. The Who: THE original Alternative band. As the Beatles are to mainstream rock, The Who is the father of Alternative rock. They were the ones who inspired smashing guitars and totalling drumsets, sliding across the stage on your knees with guitar in hand, the propeller swing and strum guitarist maneuver, etc. On top of it all, they were a massive influence to the use of politics and rock and roll with "Won't Get Fooled Again". Believe it or not I think you are selling the Who short. The Who was also extremely influential in the production area, but more importantly, they were a major part of the album concept. Quadrophenia on its own was groundbreaking, but then you have the rock opera Tommy, and the showmanship prevalent in their stage shows. I tend to think Pink Floyd followed them a bit to tell you the truth. |
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 21, 2004 21:01:43 GMT -5
Groundbreaking? Well people will groan, but there is no question that the Beatles were groundbreaking. They paved the way for a lot of different production effects on albums. The Beatles deserve virtually all the credit. Though they're not exactly my favorite band, it doesn't matter. They are the most inspirational band of all time, and it is evident from all the many times new artists have covered them. Jimmi Hendrix blazed a trail of the music over vocals trend. James Brown brought soul into the mainstream, and was one of the major influences that helped Black artists cross over. Agree completely with Jimi Hendrix and James Brown. I'll argue that U2 brought a unique sound to the scene that still persists in their music today, very few copycats that can get it to work. U2 is, overall, a pretty original band. The Edge is a great guitarist that could create mystifying riffs that you can almost feel represent true heartache, etc. Bono especially is what makes the band STILL omnipresent on radio. Bono has the ability each album to write songs that so many can relate too yet is open to so much spiritual interpretation. "With or Without You", "Sunday Bloody Sunday", "Where The Streets Have No Name", "Bad", these are all amazing tracks. Like 'em or hate 'em but the Beastie Boys clearly brought something unique to the table in a Rap meets rock sort of way. They're the best rappers of all time, in my opinion. Even when each of them are going on 40, they STILL are superior to everyone, even Jay-Z. Their lyrics can often sound silly at times, but compare them to 50 Cent's "I love you like a fat kid loves cake", etc. and you'll see the quality to their alternative rap. 311 was a more alternative form of the Beastie Boys less heavy on the rap. None-the-less, they are actually very unique and I still haven't really heard anyone else with quite the same sound or style. 311 was doing their thing back in 1990 or something. In their early years, I do consider them very unique. In more recent years, I have found them to being a bit more monotonous, despite a great single every now and then like "First Straw". The Dave Matthews Band has got to be one of the biggest mysteries of music today. Very unique, difficult to copy though it's been tried, leading the way to the success of quality music. Between the time they were playing Virginia bars and the release of "Before These Crowded Streets", definitely. Ever since then, especially with the release of the awful "Everyday", they've went downhill from there, however, with the occasional great song (particularly "Bartender"). I hope Dave and Co. make an effort on their following releases and get back to what defined them in the beginning, away from subsequent "The Space Between" and "Where Are You Going" type of pop hits. Those are my choices for groundbreaking and original bands that are fairly high profile. I tend not to think of groups like Nirvana, or the Ramones, because no matter how many people say it, the fact is there were tons of bands just like them happening on the scene at the exact same time, they just happen to get the notice. In other words they didn't actually influence the music scene, the scene was already there at the local level. That's not to say that the first band of a movement doesn't pave the way for the rest if successful, but the fact that it is a movement suggests it might have been anybody. Though Kurt Cobain definitely influenced young generations and Alternative rock in a big way, I do also consider Nirvana a highly overrated band. Pearl Jam is better in my opinion. As for the Ramones, the Kinks came well before them! Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by jond7699 on Jul 21, 2004 22:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by Edf85 on Jul 22, 2004 0:01:27 GMT -5
TLC - Very ground-breaking. Talking about things women weren't supposed to be talking about in the early 90's!  |
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Post by jond7699 on Jul 22, 2004 2:23:41 GMT -5
Nelly Furtado
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Post by Slinky on Jul 22, 2004 10:27:17 GMT -5
TLC - Very ground-breaking. Talking about things women weren't supposed to be talking about in the early 90's! Salt n' Pepa were talking about those things first! |
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Post by Edf85 on Jul 22, 2004 11:30:12 GMT -5
Salt n' Pepa were talking about those things first! Who?  |
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Post by George Tropicana on Jul 22, 2004 11:37:26 GMT -5
Avril Lavigne - Very original and groundbreaking!  |
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Post by msanoja on Jul 22, 2004 12:02:01 GMT -5
Avril Lavigne - Very original and groundbreaking! pshhhhh |
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Post by mst3k on Jul 22, 2004 12:43:45 GMT -5
Scary pic! Where are all those arms coming from? |
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Post by Miguelín on Jul 22, 2004 16:30:19 GMT -5
- Pink Floyd
- The Beatles
- The Beach Boys
- Bob Marley
- Björk
- Red Hot Chili Peppers / Faith No More
- Beastie Boys
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Post by thedualityofman on Jul 22, 2004 20:40:18 GMT -5
I see two arms, just crossed.
Anyway.
Joy Division
Kraftwerk
Pink Floyd
Black Sabbath
Talk Talk
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Post by bluenote on Jul 22, 2004 21:18:32 GMT -5
Salt n' Pepa were talking about those things first! Yea u got that right. Salt and Pepa pushed the limit b4 TLC was ever put together. |
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Post by strong4PMB! on Jul 22, 2004 21:56:02 GMT -5
Avril Lavigne - Very original and groundbreaking! LOL!! |
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Post by jond7699 on Jul 23, 2004 10:08:32 GMT -5
At the risk of sounding pretty stupid who is Joy Divison and Kraftwerk |
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Post by Neyo on Jul 23, 2004 11:29:21 GMT -5
The Streets
Dizzee Rascal
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Post by Ragin on Jul 23, 2004 12:06:34 GMT -5
At the risk of sounding pretty stupid who is Joy Divison and Kraftwerk Joy Division was basically New Order, but they had Ian Curtis as lead singer and were a bit darker. He killed himself and they went on as New Order. It is hard to say they didn't have a unique sound, most people I know that discover their music really do like it. Kraftwerk, I am unfamiliar with their music, but I believe they were electronica before electronica existed. Someone else may want to take that up though. |
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jul 23, 2004 17:39:31 GMT -5
Interesting opinions, everyone. My initial thought was that the Beatles would get a lot of mentions. It is interesting how they were innovators over the length of their career together, from the early days to Sgt. Pepper's. Didn't think of the Beach Boys, but that's a good one too. Who is considered the "father" of rap? That certainly was an original genre. Never thought it would catch on, actually. LOL! Still would never actually buy an album, but have grown to appreciate its rhythms and emotion. Don't particularly like how women are portrayed by some rap artists though. Don't know some of the bands others have listed. Will have to check some of them out. I think it is so interesting how current artists spanning the spectrum of musical genres all point back to the Beatles, Elvis, Van Morrison, Dylan, etc. as their heroes.
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Post by mst3k on Jul 23, 2004 19:06:36 GMT -5
Kraftwerk, I am unfamiliar with their music, but I believe they were electronica before electronica existed. Based on what I've heard by them, that's a fair description. |
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Post by Evergreen on Jul 23, 2004 19:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by thedualityofman on Jul 23, 2004 20:31:50 GMT -5
Kraftwerk are electronica. The end.
As for Joy Division. The band that you know as New Order are the remains of Joy Division after their lead singer Ian Curtis hung himself in his kitchen.
I recommend listening to New Dawn Fades, Dead Souls, Love Will Tear Us Apart, Transmission, No Love Lost, She's Lost Control, and Atmosphere to get any kind of grasp of Joy Division.
Nine Inch Nails' Dead Souls is a Joy Division cover.
Also, before Kurt Cobain, Richey James, Trent Reznor, and Layne Staley wrote bleak and horrific lyrics, there was Ian Curtis.
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Post by thedualityofman on Jul 23, 2004 20:33:09 GMT -5
and I don't recall seeing them in this thread, but who could possibly forget about Devo?
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Post by Ragin on Jul 23, 2004 20:37:51 GMT -5
Later on, maybe, but they certainly were not the first band with that sound. The surf tunes, and indeed songs that sound just like the Beach Boys came BEFORE the Beach Boys. You'd have to look at their experimental stuff to really give them much credit at originality OR trend setting, but even there, it was pretty much Brian Wilson. |
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