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Post by jdmasta289 on Aug 28, 2006 1:14:02 GMT -5
Yes, but the Peppers are quite a different band than many others. If you think about a band like Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, STP, or NIN using "girl" as the antecedent (whatever), then it strikes a wrong nerve. It just doesn't sound right. You only said "rock credibility" in your original statement. You didn't qualify it otherwise. And while you never said anything about "love songs," either (and Alice in Chains, off the top of my head, never had any obvious love songs), I'm sure Pearl Jam and STP have used "girl" in the general way you state, and while I don't recall any NIN lyrics addressed to a "girl," it wouldn't have sounded out of place on Pretty Hate Machine. Hmmm...point taken. Maybe I'm just searching for too many reasons why to dislike this band, when maybe I should just accept that I don't particularly like them in general and move on.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Aug 28, 2006 1:43:01 GMT -5
Now you're talkin'!
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Post by jdmasta289 on Aug 29, 2006 14:31:54 GMT -5
Now you're talkin'! But...now that I mention it, isn't that sorta the purpose of message boards, to spout out opinions on why something sucks or is great?
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Post by jimmy74747 on Aug 29, 2006 21:56:16 GMT -5
I really don't know why everybody thinks this is such a bad song. I think this song clearly doesn't take itself too seriously and is just meant to be a throwback to good old cheesy 80's power ballads. I didn't like the song initially but after thinking about it in that respect, I've come to really enjoy it. Agree. This song will appeal to older fans of rock radio who grew up with this stuff.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Sept 21, 2006 1:16:30 GMT -5
Who else is suspecting payola here, on pop and rock radio? But for the life of me, I can't avoid this song. I think I'm going insane.
I'm not sure if it's that I love basking in mediocrity (hey, I've been a Royals fan for 12 years!), or that I just love drunken rawkers raving about ex-girlfriends and getting stoned?
But just one more radio listen each time. I think they've made me stoned - permanently.
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Post by Chato on Sept 21, 2006 1:31:39 GMT -5
This is ridiculously bad. I sometimes find myself singing the opening line in my worst voice trying to imitate Austin Winkler.
... Honey why you calling me so late?
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Post by jdmasta289 on Sept 21, 2006 1:44:14 GMT -5
This is ridiculously bad. I sometimes find myself singing the opening line in my worst voice trying to imitate Austin Winkler. ... Honey why you calling me so late? Me, too!! I noticed someone post this on the pop thread as well. Is there something wrong with us?
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Post by pen on Sept 21, 2006 2:18:36 GMT -5
Who else is suspecting payola here, on pop and rock radio? But for the life of me, I can't avoid this song. I think I'm going insane. I'm not sure if it's that I love basking in mediocrity (hey, I've been a Royals fan for 12 years!), or that I just love drunken rawkers raving about ex-girlfriends and getting stoned? But just one more radio listen each time. I think they've made me stoned - permanently. I've been having a huge argument with the guys of AudioAggression (now called TunelabMusic) over Hinder. A lot of people there agree with me that they're a bunch of arrogant no-good pop-leaning whores, but a few outspoken individuals disagree, so I've been going back and forth with them about it. They're supposed to be posting an interview with Hinder in the near future, where apparently Hinder gave some kind of answer about their behavior that is supposedly a good one, but honestly, I don't think there's any possible good excuse. Can you believe they're at #7 on the charts now? Over Mars Volta, Papa Roach, Audioslave, Black Label Society, Mastodon, and Breaking Benjamin, people chose them. That's sad.
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Post by American Idiot on Sept 21, 2006 11:27:33 GMT -5
It also helps when the song is #11 at pop and has over 22 million listeners in the country only on that format alone listening to it. It seems any song that has cheesy lyrics about falling in love does incredible on pop (example: Lifehouse - Hanging By A Moment). The only difference was that song was ten times better. Add the 5 million from Alternative, 5 million from Active Rock, and 5 million from Hot AC, and thats about 37 million people in the U.S. listening to that song on a daily basis. I'd say payola for sure.
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Post by pen on Sept 22, 2006 0:02:05 GMT -5
The only difference was that song was ten times better. God damn right.
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Post by RoxiG on Sept 22, 2006 13:59:03 GMT -5
awww i love this song...never heard of hinder before this song
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 23, 2006 0:39:01 GMT -5
Do yourself a favor and don't buy into them. You'll have been duped by this song, "good" or not. Who else foresees this to be sold back in droves? I actually flipped the album over today as I was checking to see if all our copies were properly priced. God, what a bunch of young-looking douchebags. And don't even get me started on the anonymous scantily clad female on the cover strategically placed in order to sell more copies to horny, stupid males.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Sept 26, 2006 23:00:01 GMT -5
I honestly see this as being more of a novelty song, and novelty act, than anything else. But then, look at Bowling For Soup.
2006 hasn't treated new acts kindly. Maybe Hinder will be long gone by '08.
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Post by The Music Man on Sept 26, 2006 23:07:24 GMT -5
This is ridiculously bad. I sometimes find myself singing the opening line in my worst voice trying to imitate Austin Winkler. ... Honey why you calling me so late? Me, too!! I noticed someone post this on the pop thread as well. Is there something wrong with us? That's funny, I do the EXACT same thing. The song has some potential until he comes in with that line, and it completely kills it. "HOOOONEY why you callllllin' me so late?!" Ugh!
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Post by The Music Man on Oct 15, 2006 15:57:52 GMT -5
Top 10 at Alternative
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Post by Gorminako on Oct 15, 2006 16:04:58 GMT -5
I'm so sick of this song. How can Alternative radio be playing this crap?
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Post by friday on Oct 15, 2006 19:09:54 GMT -5
I'm so sick of this song. How can Alternative radio be playing this crap? I'm convinced now that if a pop-leaning rock song does extremely well on pop, alternative radio will have no choice but to follow suit. Or perhaps the majority of alternative PDs are simply morons. KNDD's new PD doesn't seem to be one of them, thank goodness. Unfortunately, the Hot AC and Pop stations have more than picked up the slack on this. I was on the fence with it at first, but once I picked up on the meaning of the song, it started going downhill, and hasn't stopped. And I'm honestly not sure which is the worse song right now, "Get Stoned" or this. At least "Get Stoned" had some decent instrumentation and vocals, but the lyrics were so ridiculous that the song was intolerable. Here, everything is too below-average for me to find anything positive. It's throwaway pop-metal at its finest. And I honestly wonder if pop listeners realize this song is about stepping out on one's girlfriend.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Nov 13, 2006 23:50:29 GMT -5
Do yourself a favor and don't buy into them. You'll have been duped by this song, "good" or not. Who else foresees this to be sold back in droves? I actually flipped the album over today as I was checking to see if all our copies were properly priced. God, what a bunch of young-looking douchebags. And don't even get me started on the anonymous scantily clad female on the cover strategically placed in order to sell more copies to horny, stupid males. OK, I'm going to call sensationalism on this one. Do you think Hinder released this album intentionally just to cash in and cater to "horny, stupid males"? I think, among some bands, that's a great priority, but when you're performing on tours night-in and night-out and doing interviews virtually every day, it's about the music as well, to an extent.And what are your opinions on the scantily clad female on the cover of She Wants Revenge's self-titled album? It seems to me like standard rock bands get critically chastized for "unoriginal" lyrics, music, image, etc., yet indie copycats like the Subways and She Wants Revenge get a complete pass. Unfrickinbelievable. You know what though, Nicholas. I respect your opinion, and any reasons you can cite for discontent of a particular group, then so be it. And you shouldn't just say "I hate "X" band" and that's it, because that would defeat the purpose of a message board, wouldn't it?
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Post by friday on Nov 14, 2006 2:11:20 GMT -5
And what are your opinions on the scantily clad female on the cover of She Wants Revenge's self-titled album? It seems to me like standard rock bands get critically chastized for "unoriginal" lyrics, music, image, etc., yet indie copycats like the Subways and She Wants Revenge get a complete pass. Unfrickinbelievable. Well, all I can say on this is look on the back of the She Wants Revenge album. At least they managed to take it a little deeper. But I feel like we've had this conversation, like, twenty times now, and it seems to always run in the same direction every time, so, I really don't know where else to go with that.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 14, 2006 4:12:42 GMT -5
OK, I'm going to call sensationalism on this one. Do you think Hinder released this album intentionally just to cash in and cater to "horny, stupid males"? I think, among some bands, that's a great priority, but when you're performing on tours night-in and night-out and doing interviews virtually every day, it's about the music as well, to an extent.Well no one (except Andy Kaufman) would be capable of such awareness of self to pull something like that off. Hinder are doing it unconsciously. I almost guarantee you they didn't put anywhere near the same level of marketing thought into the album cover as their label did. And I'm sure all the label thought was something like, "These guys are all about getting wasted and getting laid. They're not trying to reinvent the wheel. Sex sells to their target audience. Cleavage on the front." I do believe that Hinder value the lifestyle of being in a "rock & roll" band as important, if not more important, than the music they're making. Whereas more artistic bands don't need to rely on photos or art that elicit generic sexual concepts to make a career. Note the word "generic" in that sentence before formulating any "Well, what about this artist?" responses. Well, I've not seen the back of it, which friday alluded to (I can take a look tomorrow--what, is she hiding a weapon?), but from their music and even their name, obviously they have a sinister undercurrent going for them. Well, thank you, sir. And maybe you're speaking in general at the end, there, but I hardly ever bash anything without giving reasons, that I'm aware of.
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Post by tortuga on Nov 14, 2006 15:01:34 GMT -5
What about the hot vampire chick on Atreyu's The Curse album? :)
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Post by pen on Nov 15, 2006 1:49:07 GMT -5
What about Bullets And Octane's album cover? Hot. That's all I can say.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 15, 2006 3:28:10 GMT -5
What about the hot vampire chick on Atreyu's The Curse album? :) The original cover isn't very flattering. Her face is turned looking over her shoulder, which from the shadows, makes her eyes look blank. Then there's the whole prominent veins and vampire fangs thing. I dunno, I see a little humor in the booklet, in that she's striking several model poses. And maybe I'm biased, but a rundown of the tracklisting on the back lets you know these guys aren't total misogynistic scumbags. What about Bullets And Octane's album cover? Hot. That's all I can say. Now that's just scuzzy.
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Post by pen on Nov 15, 2006 3:44:12 GMT -5
I just wanted to be part of the conversation. :(
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 15, 2006 3:45:34 GMT -5
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Post by Ragin on Nov 15, 2006 7:47:24 GMT -5
I really don't know why everybody thinks this is such a bad song. I think this song clearly doesn't take itself too seriously and is just meant to be a throwback to good old cheesy 80's power ballads. I didn't like the song initially but after thinking about it in that respect, I've come to really enjoy it. Agree. This song will appeal to older fans of rock radio who grew up with this stuff. That would be me, and yet I hate this song. I'm so sick of it. And yes, I kept thinking why is this becoming a big hit when bands actually from that era with better material are getting ignored? I'm just not a fan of this song at all.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Nov 15, 2006 8:01:51 GMT -5
Agree. This song will appeal to older fans of rock radio who grew up with this stuff. That would be me, and yet I hate this song. I'm so sick of it. And yes, I kept thinking why is this becoming a big hit when bands actually from that era with better material are getting ignored? I'm just not a fan of this song at all. Maybe because they also draw a significant influence from Seattle grunge. Bands like Nickelback (and Staind and 3DD to an extent) have done the same yet have also scored hard rock and mainstream appeal. That has more or less paved the way for Hinder. It's not just a Bon Jovi or Boston throwback. They're also considered a "post grunge" band.
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Post by crash46 on Nov 15, 2006 11:06:16 GMT -5
Me, too!! I noticed someone post this on the pop thread as well. Is there something wrong with us? That's funny, I do the EXACT same thing. The song has some potential until he comes in with that line, and it completely kills it. "HOOOONEY why you callllllin' me so late?!" Ugh! I do that as well. But I do so derisively, as the sound of me singing this song as badly as I possibly can yields the same product as the vocals you actually hear in the song. It's fun and it takes some of the sting away from having to listen to this howlingly horrible song. As for the album covers, the key word describing the Hinder girl is anonymous. There's nothing distinctive about her at all. She Wants Revenge's cover is just a girl seeking revenge. The girl is attractive, but that's not the primary reason she's on the cover, plus she's wearing a tank top over her black bra anyway. As for Atreyu, no matter what she is wearing or implying, a vampire chick is not lowest common denominator any way you look at it. They don't put vampires on the cover of Maxim. She's symbolizing their music. If anything, the Hinder chick symbolizes the band's type of music, which is broad and indistinct enough as it is, and therefore, the cover is simply a lowest common denominator appealing cop-out.
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Post by halo19 on Nov 15, 2006 13:10:48 GMT -5
That would be me, and yet I hate this song. I'm so sick of it. And yes, I kept thinking why is this becoming a big hit when bands actually from that era with better material are getting ignored? I'm just not a fan of this song at all. Maybe because they also draw a significant influence from Seattle grunge. Bands like Nickelback (and Staind and 3DD to an extent) have done the same yet have also scored hard rock and mainstream appeal. That has more or less paved the way for Hinder. It's not just a Bon Jovi or Boston throwback. They're also considered a "post grunge" band. I honestly don't hear the Seattle grunge sound in Hinder. I hear very little of it. It sounds like an 80's hair metal power-ballad. Just because you're influenced by a particular sound doesn't mean that's what it is, anyway. For instance, Trent Reznor is a big Prince fan, but you wouldn't know that by just listening to a NIN record, and it doesn't mean that there's a soul/funk sound to their music, either.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Nov 15, 2006 14:35:32 GMT -5
Maybe because they also draw a significant influence from Seattle grunge. Bands like Nickelback (and Staind and 3DD to an extent) have done the same yet have also scored hard rock and mainstream appeal. That has more or less paved the way for Hinder. It's not just a Bon Jovi or Boston throwback. They're also considered a "post grunge" band. I honestly don't hear the Seattle grunge sound in Hinder. I hear very little of it. It sounds like an 80's hair metal power-ballad. As for the definition of inspiration, you definitely have a valid point. I use the word to mean something a little more specific. As for the grunge influence - Come on, you don't hear a little of a metallic-grungish mix in "Get Stoned"? I mean, upon my first listen, it instantly reminded me of "Home" by Three Days Grace, who are definitely inspired by Alice In Chains. I've heard "Lips of an Angel" is one of several power ballads on the album. I mean, look at "Far Away" by Nickelback, and you can make a very strong argument that they are influenced by Alice as well. And for the gravely Shaun Morgan Erna Gontier style voice, and their lyrics in "Get Stoned", I think Hinder fit in pretty well with the metallic post-grunge bands of our time.
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