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Post by pen on Apr 5, 2008 10:24:00 GMT -5
I still think you're wrong about Slipknot though, since Slipknot's success is greater than Stone Sour and you have no problem putting them over Sevendust. Are you sure about that? I mean, if you asked someone about Stone Sour, they'd be more likely to say "oh yeah, they did that 'Through the Glass' song" than they would be to recognize one of Slipknot's songs. Are you sure about that? I mean, all of Slipknot's albums have gone platinum and Stone Sour's only gold, despite the success of "Bother" and "Through Glass". Let's not forget that all of Vol. 3's singles did very well for themselves, especially "Duality" and "Vermilion". I'm not saying that "Through Glass" wouldn't be more recognizable to a certain audience, but it's just that. A certain audience. Slipknot is by far more successful.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Apr 6, 2008 8:23:15 GMT -5
Stone Sour's two huge hits resonated more heavily with the casual radio listener, whereas Slipknot has built a rabid following since 1999.
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Post by American Idiot on Apr 6, 2008 16:50:58 GMT -5
I've always thought that all of Sevendust's material didn't differ much in sound from album to album, so I kind of knew what opinion I'd have of this before listening to it. I knew it would be good, but I didn't think I would be amazed by it. I also found it very difficult to remember most of their songs besides the singles because they sounded so much alike. However, with this album I feel the sound has changed from song to song a bit, and I'm more impressed than I thought I'd be prior to listening to it. I have to give it some more listens, but this may be my second favorite album of theirs behind Animosity. It's a shame that they haven't done dramatically well on the charts in quite some time. "Prodigal Son" is doing decently at least on Active Rock at the moment, but I don't really see it climbing that much more.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Apr 6, 2008 19:13:51 GMT -5
"Prodigal Son" is doing decently at least on Active Rock at the moment, but I don't really see it climbing that much more. I think it has a good chance to climb some more; or at least, if it doesn't, I wouldn't say that based on how it's faired so far. Both "Ugly" and "Driven" took about ten weeks after their add dates to reach the top 20 and ended up being at number 10 and number 8 respectively on active rock at around week 20, all the while creeping up the chart with bullets averaging about +40 per week. So if you think that based on chart performance so far, you may be surprised. If you think that just because Sevendust isn't quite as popular as they used to be and they just released "Driven" a year before this, then you may have good reason to think that "Prodigal Son" not going much further. If nothing else, its bullet now is bigger than it was a week or two ago.
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Post by blurple on Apr 6, 2008 21:08:02 GMT -5
www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=94299"According to Hits Daily Double (the companion web site of music industry tip sheet HITS), SEVENDUST' new album, "Chapter VII: Hope & Sorrow" (7Bros/Asylum), is poised to sell between 35,000 and 40,000 copies in the United States during its first week of release. This is rougly in line with the opening number of its predecessor, "Alpha", which registered a first-week tally of 42,000 copies in March 2007 to debut at position No. 14 on The Billboard 200 chart."
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Post by American Idiot on Apr 6, 2008 21:17:37 GMT -5
"Prodigal Son" is doing decently at least on Active Rock at the moment, but I don't really see it climbing that much more. I think it has a good chance to climb some more; or at least, if it doesn't, I wouldn't say that based on how it's faired so far. Both "Ugly" and "Driven" took about ten weeks after their add dates to reach the top 20 and ended up being at number 10 and number 8 respectively on active rock at around week 20, all the while creeping up the chart with bullets averaging about +40 per week. So if you think that based on chart performance so far, you may be surprised. If you think that just because Sevendust isn't quite as popular as they used to be and they just released "Driven" a year before this, then you may have good reason to think that "Prodigal Son" not going much further. If nothing else, its bullet now is bigger than it was a week or two ago. I sure hope you're right. It was the perfect song to come on the radio right as I got out of work and into the car on Friday to get me in a good mood for the weekend.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Apr 11, 2008 2:49:48 GMT -5
According to Radio & Records' active rock chart, "Prodigal Son" was the third most added song this week, even though it's already been within the top 40 for 7-8 weeks. Maybe that supports what I said about this song's chances of doing better than what the last couple of weeks might have indicated. It might just also have something to do with the album coming out last week.
Apparently it debuted at #19 on the Billboard 200, and sold 25,000 copies in its first week. That's quite good for a band that's never had a really huge single and has been around this long, but at the same time, ALPHA got off to a better start. However on iTunes, "The Past" featuring Chris Daughtry is beating "Prodigal Son" in downloads. Next single maybe? Breakout single even?
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Apr 11, 2008 4:26:00 GMT -5
Probably cherry picking Daughtry fans that decided to buy just that song...that being said, if it were to get released, it would be...but what about Theory of a Deadman's By the Way?
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Post by jvandyck87 on Apr 11, 2008 10:18:00 GMT -5
What about it? I mean it's good. I think it could be a hit for them too. I guess I would be concerned that if Theory Of A Deadman beat Sevendust to releasing their song with Chris Daughtry, then Sevendust might not get quite as much of a reaction from "The Past" at rock radio. Is that you meant by WHAT ABOUT Theory of a Deadman's "By The Way?"
I will admit that I like it a lot better than "So Happy." I wouldn't mind it becoming a hit for them as long as it doesn't interfere with Sevendust finally having a breakout hit after all these years and albums. Considering how well "So Happy" is doing, I think Theory has already had theirs.
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Post by blurple on Apr 15, 2008 22:29:29 GMT -5
www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/sevendust_we_play_confused_rock.html In late 2006, Sevendust released their sixth record, Alpha. Alpha was an extremely angry record that was supposed to rile up old-school Sevendust fans, and prove to them that they still remember how to get down and dirty.
Only a year later, the mighty Sevendust are gearing up to release their seventh album, Chapter VII, Hope and Sorrow. Hope and Sorrow is more dynamic, both musically and emotionally than their two previous efforts. The record from top to bottom flows brilliantly, and features cameo appearances by prodigal guitarist, Mark Tremonti of AlterBridge (“Hope”), as well as singer Miles Kennedy, also of AlterBridge (“Sorrow”), and the young talent of Chris Daughtry (“The Past”). All of whom provide a unique perspective to the always ugly world of Sevendust.
Here’s what Sevendust drummer, Morgan Rose, had to say in regards to the band’s new, driving record.
UG: This record clearly shows a different side of Sevendust. As Alpha was full of angst and screaming, Chapter VII features more singing, more melody, and a generally darker, more melancholy side of Sevendust. What inspired the emotions on this album?
MR: Well, lets see. On the last record there were a ton of negative things going on in my life. From the divorce to my grandfather dying to my arrest and my father being put behind bars... etc., etc. It was a tough time and I personally wore that record lyrically on my sleeve for the world to see. On this record, things had been much mellower. Things just work themselves out - whether it's the way you want them to or not - sometimes good, sometimes bad. That's life and that's what happened. Some things turned out better than others and that's where the diverse topics came from, some hope, some sorrrow. Haha.
Almost every track on this album runs seamlessly with the next. How did the idea for smooth transitions come about?
I’d been wanting to do that for a while, kinda like we are live: no time for anyone to boo, just keep movin. It seemed to set a vibe for the record to make it seamless, making it more like a journey from song to song.
There are some unique and biting guitar tones on this record. How long did it take you to find the right tones and what are some of your favorite examples of where the guitar shines on this record?
John would give a more detailed answer, but I’ll keep it simple. For me, it was the new 5150. I called up Matty Bruck (Eddie Van Halen's assistant) and asked if Eddie could make a call and get us one quick! The call was made and the amp rocked! We used it mostly on over dubs, but we loved it. As far as the mains go, John was basically using the Randall RM100. Actually both of them used that amp (with us setting Sonny up with a dual rectifier every now and again). I think the tones came out fantastic. It didn't take too long to dial them in and that's always a good thing. I can't stand sitting and listening to different guitar amps for 6 hours straight trying to find a tone, even though sometimes that's how it works. There are too many moments for me to pick my favorite...ok scapegoat.
Who did all of the synth programming between songs? Was it logic? Reason?
Actually we had two guys working on the programming for the record, Travis Danials and Reagan Wexler, who is my drum tech as well. Both had a different feel about them so it worked with the different qualities with the record. I do believe they used both reason and logic.
There are some interesting cameos on this record. How did you hook up with Chris Daughtry and the guys in AlterBridge? Who approached whom?
As far as Chris Daughtry goes, we've been friends for a while. Before we went in to write, I had asked him if I had a song that would work for him if he would be into it, and he said, “absolutely!” I told sonny to write something a little mellower and darker on an acoustic guitar and then John and I took what he had and modified it a bit. I sang a chorus and said, that's Chris all over that! With Miles [Kenedy], it was a little different. We were a ways down the recording process and Chris was already done. John made the call, Miles heard the track and was into it, so we sent him the track and he nailed it.
Chapter VII as a whole seems like a much more cohesive record and seems more thoroughly produced than Alpha and Next. Who played the “producer” roll on this album, and what sort of things did you look for and add while producing the record?
John, Shawn Grove and I were enthralled in this record. We had a vision, threw it in the toilet, found another vision, tossed that, and kept moving forward. I can now say it was as confusing a record as we've ever made. John came to me one day and asked, "What kinda record are we writing here?" I don't know where the cohesiveness came from, i just know that we weren't always on the same page, but we ended up there.
This album features more hooks in the songs, strings, and even a couple of power-ballads (The Past, Sorrow). Is Sevendust aiming to have more commercial appeal?
I don't think we're trying to do anything different from what we did on any other record commercially speaking. We've had songs like “Angel Son” and “X-Mas Day” and “Skeleton Song” over the years and nobody questioned it. Now we go and put a friend of ours on the record, who can wail mind you, but happened to have been on American Idol, and, “OOOOOOOH SHIT!!!! SEVENDUST IS SELLIN OUT!!!” Hahaha. It doesn't bother me too much. We feel great about what we write about and who we decide to collaborate with. Like any other time, we’re friends with the people we collaborate with and we totally respect their craft.
How do you think your fans will react to this side of Sevendust?
I think that everybody that gets the record will for the most part enjoy what we tried to convey on it. In the past, people called us “nu-metal,” or “metal,” or even “rap metal” if you can believe that? It's not that I mind being labeled, but I don't think a whole bunch of thought went into it. After all this time, my wife came up with the best term for our band...”confused rock.” It's perfect! We are confused. We can tour with Slipknot or Finger Eleven and those bands can't play with each other. We're too heavy for the Finger Eleven crowd and too wimpy for most of the Slipknot crowd. We're Sevendust and we're confused hahaha. Only our people get that. We'll see if that changes any on this album.
How were these songs (Past, Sorrow) in particular written?
“The Past” was originally called “Beneath the Water.” I don't know why we changed it. Oh well. With “Sorrow,” it's one of the first songs I got from john. At the time, I really wasn't prepared to write. I remember the night in particular: it was just another “boo hoo” night of wondering “why me?” I used that feeling as my topic - writing about how some people never look around at the rest of the world and see what's going on. They’re always too busy pouting about their own shit. It happens.
What are your favorite tracks off of Chapter VII?
Strange enough, it changes, but this week it's “The Past.” It's a song of perseverance and has a positive message behind it, something that's a little different for us. I kinda like it.
Is 7Bros records currently working with any other bands?
As far as 7bros. goes, no. However, I've been working with a few really cool bands and producing them with Shawn Grove. I hope they make their way over to 7bros., but we'll have to see. There's just so much that goes into running your own label and when we're in our cycle it's crazy. When it slows down we'll get to work signin’ em' up!
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Apr 16, 2008 0:28:03 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten that he and Rayna divorced.
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Post by blurple on Apr 22, 2008 0:33:52 GMT -5
The guys said on their Rockline interview that The Past would not be the next single. They're not decided about the next single yet though.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Apr 22, 2008 7:30:18 GMT -5
They must really not want to be big...Though Morgan said that he wanted this to be the album that elevated them to more of a hard rock icon status. Unless they go three deep, and dig out "The Past" then, there is absolutely no chance of that happening. Did they give any reasons why they weren't going with "The Past?"
And they better choose carefully with single #2, or single #3 won't even see the light of day, like on ALPHA with "Beg To Differ."
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Post by blurple on Apr 22, 2008 16:41:29 GMT -5
They must really not want to be big...Though Morgan said that he wanted this to be the album that elevated them to more of a hard rock icon status. Unless they go three deep, and dig out "The Past" then, there is absolutely no chance of that happening. Did they give any reasons why they weren't going with "The Past?" And they better choose carefully with single #2, or single #3 won't even see the light of day, like on ALPHA with "Beg To Differ." This was from a Daughtry fanboard: www.sendspace.com/file/1raiohIt's the part of the interview where they talked about the next single, "The Past" and how they met Chris.
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Post by blurple on May 10, 2008 1:48:59 GMT -5
They must really not want to be big...Though Morgan said that he wanted this to be the album that elevated them to more of a hard rock icon status. Unless they go three deep, and dig out "The Past" then, there is absolutely no chance of that happening. Did they give any reasons why they weren't going with "The Past?" And they better choose carefully with single #2, or single #3 won't even see the light of day, like on ALPHA with "Beg To Differ." Looks like it's RCA's (Daughtry's label) fault. This interview is saying that Daughtry's people doesn't want it to be released as a single! ANNOYING labels. I don't see why they would not like that. It's a win-win for both sides. www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../805080328/1005Q: How did the collaboration with Chris Daughtry come about? Will that song be released as a single?
A: We've known Chris for a while. He's just a buddy we asked to come down to the studio and drink some cold beers, and we said, "Hey, we have a song here we can work on," and he said "hell, yeah." He's been standing in with the band for a long time, but his people won't let us release that song as a single.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on May 10, 2008 8:33:08 GMT -5
That's retarded...so I guess the same thing's going to happen with Roadrunner and Theory of a Deadman.
I could understand not putting both out...perhaps one of the two, but it makes me angry that Sevendust has to suffer because they don't have the status that Daughtry does.
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Post by blurple on May 10, 2008 12:52:37 GMT -5
That's retarded...so I guess the same thing's going to happen with Roadrunner and Theory of a Deadman. I could understand not putting both out...perhaps one of the two, but it makes me angry that Sevendust has to suffer because they don't have the status that Daughtry does. Yeah, RCA is not just the best label to be in period. They're so controlling and yet they don't do anything. Daughtry can get so much out of this in terms of rock credibility (and 7D would get the mainstream exposure) so it's hard to understand why they don't want this to work. My theory is that Chris just did the song as a "favor" so he's probably not getting a cut or if he is, RCA is out of it and it goes directly to Chris' pocket. That's why RCA doesn't want it to be released because they're not getting out of it.
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Post by jvandyck87 on May 10, 2008 13:43:42 GMT -5
A few years back, Santana had that song with Chad Kroeger called "Why Don't You and I," yet, I feel like for the radio version, they used Alex Band from The Calling on the track instead. I wonder if it was a similar situation.
Anyway, this song could be a hit even without Chris Daughtry on the track, so if 7D had time, maybe they could retrack Chris's parts with Lajon, or heck, now they have Clint in the band. Or they can get another guest vocalist whose label will let them release it as a single. That way, I don't think RCA would be able to prevent it from being released, and the song would still get a lot of hype by word of mouth as the song they did with Chris Daughtry that they couldn't release in that version. That kind of negative press for RCA might even be enough to get them to change their minds and allow them to release the single.
I think word on the street is, though, that "Inside" is gonna be the next single. It has a good chorus anyway, but it's a little heavier than "Prodigal Son" and a little too industrial metal to succeed mightily.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on May 12, 2008 4:52:23 GMT -5
so if 7D had time, maybe they could retrack Chris's parts with Lajon, or heck, now they have Clint in the band. Or they can get another guest vocalist whose label will let them release it as a single. That way, I don't think RCA would be able to prevent it from being released, and the song would still get a lot of hype by word of mouth as the song they did with Chris Daughtry that they couldn't release in that version. That kind of negative press for RCA might even be enough to get them to change their minds and allow them to release the single. This is all very far fetched and unlikely.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on May 29, 2008 16:26:13 GMT -5
Just so everybody knows, Sevendust announced about a week ago that they're stepping off the rockstar mayhem tour. Here's why, according to Morgan and Lajon, from an upcoming issue of Revolver: "We would've loved to have been on that tour, but plain and simple, we couldn't afford to do it. I'm not going to say how much money we were offered, but at the end of the day, the numbers didn't make any sense. It was like, if we borrow Machine Head's gear for every show, ride in a car with no crew guys, and don't bring any suitcases because they won't fit in the car anyway, we may be able to pay our bills at the end of this. I don't want to sit here and say if they had given us more money we would've been able to do it, but that's the damn ticket right there. If they had given us more money we would've been able to do it." They're also touring with Godsmack and Alter Bridge later this summer.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on May 29, 2008 16:28:12 GMT -5
If I'd have been around as long as they have...even if they haven't been successful enough to earn that status...I think I'd have said the same thing.
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Post by jvandyck87 on May 29, 2008 16:39:28 GMT -5
While we're talking about this song...I think AI may have been right, it's had a negative bullet for two and a half weeks now, and while it might regain its bullet next week because of post-memorial day gains in spins, my guess is that it will only get it back for a week before continuing to drop. So much for my expectations of this going top 10. They really need a good second single if they even wanna break Top 40 at active rock. Fuck RCA records man..."The Past" would go top 10 easy on active and probably top 30 at alternative.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jun 24, 2008 3:49:14 GMT -5
Here's the entire transcription from the magazine itself:
Rose: We would've loved to have been on that tour, but plain and simple, we couldn't afford to do it. I'm not going to say how much money we were offered, but at the end of the day, the numbers didn't make any sense. It was like, "If we borrow Machine Head's gear for every show, ride in a car with no crew guys, and don't bring any suitcases because they won't fit in the car anyway, we may be able to pay our bills at the end of this. But probably not." So that was the bottom line. We would've lost our houses. And I'm not letting my kid and my wife live on the street just so I can go do some shows."
Witherspoon: I don't want to sit here and say, "If they had given us more money we would've been able to do it," but that's the damn ticket right there! If they had given us more money we would've been able to do it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmm...
In that same issue of Revolver, Kevin Lyman's side of Sevendust's Mayhem departure is:
"They got new management during the process who decided there was a better path in their life, and it was not the path we worked out when the band didn't have a manager. People have proven us wrong before, but I feel like they missed a great opportunity. They're a band that was on Warped Tour, guys I used to hang out with in the parking lot. I'm sorry they're going to miss out on this."
So who knows anymore...
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