Can Evanescence overtake 3DD for most played song?

[tico]

If 2003 ended today, "When I'm Gone" would be the most played song on CHR according to Mediabase. But look at the the rest of the top eight...

1 3 DOORS DOWN When I'm Gone 163770 2943
2 EVANESCENCE Bring Me To Life 159076 5681
3 50 CENT In Da Club 156310 4332
4 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Rock Your Body 151263 4200
5 R. KELLY Ignition 150358 4128
6 BLACK EYED PEAS Where Is The Love 147023 14693
7 AVRIL LAVIGNE I'm With You 144749 1883
8 MATCHBOX TWENTY Unwell 143867 6317

"BMTL" has almost twice more spins than "When I'm Gone". While 50 Cent and Justin Timberlake are still in contention, it looks as if both artists, as well as R. Kelly, will be overtaken by "Where Is the Love". With another week and a half in the month of October left, I would not be surprised to see Evanescence on top. After that, it's anybody's game.

[Mega248]

Unfortunatly, the December 2002 airplay will make it very hard for Evanesence to overtake 3DD by the end of November.

[tico]

How many spins did WIG get in Dec. 02?

[Matt4319]

Of course, you have to add the December totals to the year-to-date ones. Here is the top 10 now:

1 3 DOORS DOWN When I'm Gone 163770 + 4424 = 168194
2 AVRIL LAVIGNE I'm With You 144749 + 19623 = 164372
3 EVANESCENCE Bring Me To Life 159076 + 0 = 159076
4 50 CENT In Da Club 156310 + 0 = 156310
5 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Rock Your Body 151263 + 0 = 151263
6 R. KELLY Ignition 150358 + 0 = 150358
7 CHRISTINA AGUILERA Beautiful 117719 + 29340 = 147059
8 BLACK EYED PEAS Where Is The Love 147023 + 0 = 147023
9 MATCHBOX TWENTY Unwell 143867 + 0 = 143867
10 JENNIFER LOPEZ All I Have (f/ LL Cool J) 135119 + 7497 = 142616

[JCMF3]

Matt4319 said:

2 AVRIL LAVIGNE I'm With You 144749 + 19623 = 164372
7 CHRISTINA AGUILERA Beautiful 117719 + 29340 = 147059

Where did those DEC totals come from? They seem way too high, especially since there were only 3 weeks counted in December, and both Avril and Christina were gaining spins during that time. For example, for Christina, that would be almost 10000 spins per week! :o We all know she did not reach that even at her peak. Are you inadvertently counting the two-week break in there?

[Matt4319]

JCMF3 said:

Where did those DEC totals come from? They seem way too high, especially since there were only 3 weeks counted in December, and both Avril and Christina were gaining spins during that time. For example, for Christina, that would be almost 10000 spins per week! :o We all know she did not reach that even at her peak. Are you inadvertently counting the two-week break in there?

I was under the impression that there were 4 weeks counted in December. Can you tell me what weeks do count (when the 2002 chart year ended and when the 2003 year began), if you know for sure?

[Mega248]

Every week of airplay counts, including the two "unofficial" ones at the end of the year.

[JCMF3]

Stacy's said:

Every week of airplay counts, including the two "unofficial" ones at the end of the year.

Are you sure? Because R&R does not make a chart for those weeks. So, why wopuld they count spins for those weeks, and not count, for example, peak positions or weeks @ #1 for those weeks?

Here's an example I think may disprove that. On the All Access site, they have the spin totals for Dec 2002 for the top 50 pop songs. Eminem's "Lose Yourself" had 38068 for November, and then for December it had 28936 spins! That's LESS than what is listed for Christina above, and Eminem was #1 for all of December (even during the two off weeks)!!!! In Dec 2002, Lose Yourself had weeks at 9000+ spins, so that 28000 makes sense for 3 weeks of airplay.

[j]

Well, JCMF3's news sucks. I hope it isn't true, but it looks like it may very well be. I think every week should count tho, but that's just my opinion.

Without some of those crucial December spins, "Beautiful" may not even be in the Year-End Top 10.

Oh, wait. I guess that makes it good news.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

JCMF3 said:

Are you sure? Because R&R does not make a chart for those weeks. So, why wopuld they count spins for those weeks, and not count, for example, peak positions or weeks @ #1 for those weeks?

Well, they count songs airplay when they are recurrent and they don't count toward total weeks of a song either. It wouldn't make any sense for two weeks not to be counted just because R&R doesn't print charts for two weeks. Unless they shut off all the machines for those two weeks or something.

[radiorules]

Christina is the only artist who has two songs with 100,000 + spins! Hopefully the year ends before "Here Without You" and "Baby Boy" cross the 100,000 spin mark. Justin will probaby have over 100,000 with CMAR after december is added in. Justified and Stripped!

[Leafstorm]

I would love to see "Bring Me To Life" beating "When I'm Gone" by the end of the year... However, as for the question posed... I am not sure if it's possible though...

[Matt4319]

I'm more confused now than ever, so I'll tell you what I'll do. I'm going to post the actual week-by-week totals that I'm getting these numbers from, and people can do whatever they wish with them.

These numbers what I have from the Mediabase final update for each R&R chart week, including the non-published ones.

12/13/02 chart: covers airplay from December 01 - 07
12/20/02 chart: covers airplay from December 08 - 14
12/27/02 chart: covers airplay from December 15 - 21
01/03/03 chart: covers airplay from December 22 - 28

Song	12/13/02	12/20/02	12/27/02	1/3/03	Total
When I'm Gone	915	1056	1210	1243	4424
Beautiful	6193	7025	8013	8109	29340
I'm With You	3670	4654	5558	5741	19623
All I Have	607	1511	2524	2855	7497

[j]

radiorules said:

Christina is the only artist who has two songs with 100,000 + spins! Hopefully the year ends before "Here Without You" and "Baby Boy" cross the 100,000 spin mark. Justin will probaby have over 100,000 with CMAR after december is added in. Justified and Stripped!

Justin Timberlake will have 3. 3 Doors Down and Beyonce's latest singles aren't even in the Top 50 right now.

So this is what it will look like if we ignore the last 2 weeks of December.

1 3 DOORS DOWN When I'm Gone 163770 + 1971 = 165741
2 EVANESCENCE Bring Me To Life 159076 + 0 = 159076
3 50 CENT In Da Club 156310 + 0 = 156310
4 AVRIL LAVIGNE I'm With You 144749 + 8324 = 153073
5 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Rock Your Body 151263 + 0 = 151263
6 R. KELLY Ignition 150358 + 0 = 150358
7 BLACK EYED PEAS Where Is The Love 147023 + 0 = 147023
8 MATCHBOX TWENTY Unwell 143867 + 0 = 143867
9 KELLY CLARKSON Miss Independent 141747 + 0 = 141747
10 JENNIFER LOPEZ All I Have (f/ LL Cool J) 135119 + 2118 = 1372377
11 CHRISTINA AGUILERA Beautiful 117719 + 13218 = 130937

[radiorules]

Sorry, we know the only reason you want to ignore the 2 week break is because "Beautiful" will have a disadvantage in doing so. Well i am sorry, a hit is a hit, and there is no other way around it. Now i'm sure if the situation was reversed and it was someone like Avril or J.lo who had more spins in December, you would be cryng for them to include the two weekbreak on the year end chart.

Am i the ony one that notice that Shadowblue always uses "Where Is The Love?" as a Justin single just to make Christina's achievements seem smaller?

[FreakyFlyBry]

radiorules said:

Sorry, we know the only reason you want to ignore the 2 week break is because "Beautiful" will have a disadvantage in doing so. Well i am sorry, a hit is a hit, and there is no other way around it. Now i'm sure if the situation was reversed and it was someone like Avril or J.lo who had more spins in December, you would be cryng for them to include the two weekbreak on the year end chart.

Am i the ony one that notice that Shadowblue always uses "Where Is The Love?" as a Justin single just to make Christina's achievements seem smaller?

I personally believe that, if the rest of December counts, then the holiday break should count toward the year-end. Otherwise the whole picture would be incomplete because Mediabase doesn't shut down over the holidays.

As for "Where Is The Love", you can't deny that Justin was one of the primary reasons why it did so well. If you count it, Justin could have 5 songs in the year-end top 100 if "Like I Love You" had enough recurrent spins to make it.

[JCMF3]

radiorules said:

Sorry, we know the only reason you want to ignore the 2 week break is because "Beautiful" will have a disadvantage in doing so. Well i am sorry, a hit is a hit, and there is no other way around it. Now i'm sure if the situation was reversed and it was someone like Avril or J.lo who had more spins in December, you would be cryng for them to include the two weekbreak on the year end chart.

I think you are getting a little too defensive. I was the one that said the last two weeks of DEC do not count because R&R is on break for those weeks. We all know that weeks @ #1 and peak positions do not count for those weeks (for example, Eminem has 6 weeks @ #1 on R&R pop chart, not 8 weeks). That is why I am saying that those spins would probably not count. The only way that this issue can be solved is if someone asked an R&R staff member.

Matt - we can make this argument a little clearer by you listing the week by week spins for Eminem's "Lose Yourself" and compare it to the total given on the Mediabase 2002 Year End Chart. Do you have the 12/6/03 chart info (maybe someone with the magazine could list that)?

[Matt4319]

I don't have the 12/6 total, but those count November spins, and were counted toward the 2002 year-end chart anyway.

Artist	Title	12/13/2002	12/20/2002	12/27/2002	1/3/2003	Total
Eminem	Lose Yourself	9018	8946	8738	8425	35127

[irice22]

I really hope Evanescance can beat Three Doors Down, but I don't think they will. I think they are the most deserving #1 contender this year.

As for Justin Timberlake I don't really consider it a Justin single. All he does is sing in the course with another person from the band. Also, people don't really treat the song as a Justin single. Hell, he wasn't even in the video.

[JCMF3]

Matt4319 said:

I don't have the 12/6 total, but those count November spins, and were counted toward the 2002 year-end chart anyway.

I thought that 12/6/02 was the first official chart of the new R&R year... wow, now I am totally confused. Where is Ron or Brida or Keith when you need them!!! :'(

EVEN THOUGH the spins include days in November, I thought the spin totals were just based on the date of the chart...

From what I gathered from chart boy's site, the two off weeks for the R&R chart were 12/27 and 1/3. How do I know this? Eminem hit #1 on 11/15/03 and stayed there for 6 weeks. His last week at #1 would then be the 12/20/03 chart. I am 99.9% sure that Beautiful took over on the immediate chart after the break, and on chart boy's site, that is listed as 1/10/03. Can someone confirm these dates? (They also make sense because those are the weeks of Christmas and New Year's...)

Eminem's total spins from All Access for December 2002 were 28936. No combination of those spins you listed equals that total. So I don't know where the 28936 came from then...

[mst3k]

JCMF3 said:

From what I gathered from chart boy's site, the two off weeks for the R&R chart were 12/27 and 1/3. How do I know this? Eminem hit #1 on 11/15/03 and stayed there for 6 weeks. His last week at #1 would then be the 12/20/03 chart. I am 99.9% sure that Beautiful took over on the immediate chart after the break, and on chart boy's site, that is listed as 1/10/03. Can someone confirm these dates? (They also make sense because those are the weeks of Christmas and New Year's...)

Yes, the chart dated 1/10/03 was the first one following R&R's two-week break. :)

[Matt4319]

I don't have the 2002 year-end issue, but I do have the 2001 year-end issue, and here is what it states:

"R&R's exclusive Top 100of 2001 charts are based [on] the total number of plays received by each artist, title, and label for the issues dated December 8, 2000 through November 30, 2001."

That's 52 weeks. So you would assume the 2002 year-end chart counted the next 52 weeks, which would be December 7, 2001 through November 29, 2002.

Either I have been proven wrong or R&R counted 53 weeks in their 2002 chart year, which they would have to do once every 7 years anyway.

But there has to have been some reason why I started keeping track of spins with the 12/13/03 chart. I'm fairly sure it was because I thought at the time that it would be the first week counted toward the 2003 year-end chart.

[j]

radiorules said:

Sorry, we know the only reason you want to ignore the 2 week break is because "Beautiful" will have a disadvantage in doing so. Well i am sorry, a hit is a hit, and there is no other way around it. Now i'm sure if the situation was reversed and it was someone like Avril or J.lo who had more spins in December, you would be cryng for them to include the two weekbreak on the year end chart.

How retarded.

Why are you trying to stir up trouble again? You really get a kick out of getting banned don't you?

I already said in another topic earlier that I want December spins counted so that Avril Lavigne can be in the Year-End Top 3 for 2 consecutive years. Shows how much you really know - accusing me of not wanting them counted because of the stupid reason you stated. So stupid.

Besides, I think it's only fair to count all 52 weeks because it's not like no one hears the songs being played during those 2 weeks, but that's just my opinion.

[radiorules]

I don't think it matters whether or not Evanesence becomes #1 of the year or not, because we all know "Bring Me To Life" was a little more bigger hit than "When I'm Gone", but since the year end charts are unfair and favor songs that were releaed in the first quarter of the year, it makes "When I'm Gone" look bigger. Geez the year end charts are so biased.

[j]

radiorules said:

I don't think it matters whether or not Evanesence becomes #1 of the year or not, because we all know "Bring Me To Life" was a little more bigger hit than "When I'm Gone", but since the year end charts are unfair and favor songs that were releaed in the first quarter of the year, it makes "When I'm Gone" look bigger. Geez the year end charts are so biased.

How is a year-end chart that counts all spins within a 12-month period biased? Did they subtract a few spins from "Bring Me To Life" and give it to "When I'm Gone"? This is the same argument I make every week in The Hot 100 topic everytime someone starts saying that The Hot 100 is biased. If you want to blame someone for the fact that songs released earlier rank higher on the year-end chart, don't blame the chart-makers. Blame the radio stations who refuse to let go of songs and blame people like me who still enjoy listening to a year-old song as if it was new.

That's typical of you to ignore my post when you're exposed as stupid instead of apologizing for making a baseless accusation, but that's OK. I'd rather you ignore my posts than to say stupid things. I'll stop now, moderators.

[JCMF3]

Matt4319 said:

"R&R's exclusive Top 100of 2001 charts are based [on] the total number of plays received by each artist, title, and label for the issues dated December 8, 2000 through November 30, 2001."

Wait, wouldn't that be 50 weeks because of the two frozen weeks? Aren't the charts frozen for two weeks?? So, why are these weeks counted? Am I just not making any sense???

On a sort of related topic - isn't the point of the 50/10 recurrent rule on the AC chart because R&R only monitors airplay for 50 weeks out of the year? So why would those other two weeks count?

[Keith3000]

I'm a little confused as to why there is a two-week break during the holidays anyway. Mediabase does produce charts for those two weeks, so why should they be ignored by R&R? I'm aware that those radio show like AT40 and Rick Dees need the two weeks to do their end-of-the-year shows, but R&R should still publish the weekly chart during those weeks.

If "Lose Yourself" was the most played song during the last couple weeks of December last year, then it was #1 for eight weeks, not six.

[Matt4319]

JCMF3 said:

Wait, wouldn't that be 50 weeks because of the two frozen weeks? Aren't the charts frozen for two weeks?? So, why are these weeks counted? Am I just not making any sense???

You are making sense, but it doesn't make sense to me for R&R not to count the two unpublished weeks - that would seem to give a big disadvantage to songs that were out at the time.

I guess the only way to know for sure is for someone to email Brida or whoever is running R&R nowadays.

[j]

Keith3000 said:

I'm a little confused as to why there is a two-week break during the holidays anyway. Mediabase does produce charts for those two weeks, so why should they be ignored by R&R?

Does R&R publish an issue during those 2 weeks?

Billboard misses 1 week per year (they have a double-issue in December, I think) but it was only a few years ago did they continue to update the chart online instead of missing 1 chart week despite not publishing an issue during that week.

[irice22]

I don't think it matters whether or not Evanesence becomes #1 of the year or not, because we all know "Bring Me To Life" was a little more bigger hit than "When I'm Gone", but since the year end charts are unfair and favor songs that were releaed in the first quarter of the year, it makes "When I'm Gone" look bigger. Geez the year end charts are so biased.

I agree, the year-end chart is unfair (almost as unfair as Billboard's Hot 100). I wouldn't say it is biased though, they don't prefer certain songs over others. I think the year end chart should be compiled by a point system. Forty points for being at #1, and one point for #40, and whatever is in between. That would be more fair, because the song doesn't have to be released at the right time to be at #1 or high on the chart.