Pop Chart 11/7

[allow that]

Let's try this again WITHOUT the petty arguments in such abundance that anyone who makes a real post will just get lost in the shuffle.

[FreakyFlyBry]

The top 2 is still way ahead of everyone else. Beyoncé should get at least 3 more weeks at #1.

Santana rises to #3 unbulleted.

Baby Bash and Outkast enter the top 10.

Ouch... Britney backward bullets down to #14 :(

No Doubt currently sits at #18, but they still could pass Liz Phair for #17.

I hope Michelle Branch can still make top 20, but at this rate it's unsure. Hopefully she can pick up again.

Chingy and Enrique Iglesias enter the top 40.

Assuming nobody goes recurrent, then Christina will have this week's only top 50 entry, unless Pharrell loses a lot, then Youngbloodz or O.A.R. could make it in.

And Dido keeps gaining... at this rate, she'll likely go top 40

[radiorules]

The Santana song has to be the weakest top 3 hit of the year, i never hear that song on the radio so that's kind of weird.

There is still a little hope for Britney, there is a tiny chance that she can jump 14-12 or even back to 13 if her spins don't fall in the next updates and Staci and BEP fall below her.

[ted11804]

I think Outkast and No Doubt will have the next #1 battle after Beyonce's long stay and Trapt's possible short stay.

Sadly, Hilary Duff made the sacrifice of losing her bullet to let others have their turns. I thought 3 Doors Down would be too, but I guess not quite yet. Last week we had Santana f/ Alex Band, Maroon 5, Pink, and John Mayer.

I'm betting on either Missy Elliott, Blaque, or Josh Kelley to be done by next week.

Why is Nickelback slowing down again right when I thought they were picking up?

Bubba Sparxxx, Staind, Fefe Dobson, and Black Eyed Peas "Shut Up" have been hanging in there for awhile. How far can they go? They can't rise forever.

[allow that]

radiorules said:

The Santana song has to be the weakest top 3 hit of the year, i never hear that song on the radio so that's kind of weird.
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This is my second favorite Top 3 of the year, only behind "Unwell." I've heard it on the radio a lot since June.. and it's been the #1 most played song at Z100 for a couple weeks now (the biggest Pop station in the country).

[JCMF3]

FreakyFlyBry said:

Assuming nobody goes recurrent, then Christina will have this week's only top 50 entry, unless Pharrell loses a lot, then Youngbloodz or O.A.R. could make it in.

If R&R stick to their total weeks, then both Youngbloodz & O.A.R. will enter the top 50 this week as Chingy & Lumidee go recurrent.

There is still a slight possibility that Britney will hold at #13 this week. She is only 27 spins behind Stacie and she could make that up in two updates...

One impressive thing - Fabolous has been holding on for quite a while since losing his bullet a few weeks ago. That song has been high on the callout numbers, so maybe pop is keeping it on because of that.

Nelly Furtado backward bullets? :( Things are not looking good for that song.

Whoa, what happened to No Doubt! :o Yesterday they were in the +1000s and not down in gains to +860! I still think it can make the top 10, but I wonder why the major loss in gains...

[Matt4319]

Am I reading this right? "Headstrong" had a +745 trend on Thursday and went on to gain just 37 spins in 2½ days.

[irice22]

The Santana song has to be the weakest top 3 hit of the year, i never hear that song on the radio so that's kind of weird.

I don't hear it that much either, but that doesn't really make it weak.

This is my second favorite Top 3 of the year, only behind "Unwell." I've heard it on the radio a lot since June.. and it's been the #1 most played song at Z100 for a couple weeks now (the biggest Pop station in the country).

Favorite Top 3 or peak of #3? Just making sure! :)

Who else is betting Liz Phair and Michelle Branch will peak at #17? I hope not.

[allow that]

irice22 said:

Favorite Top 3 or peak of #3? Just making sure! :)

Favorite Top 3

irice22 said:

Who else is betting Liz Phair and Michelle Branch will peak at #17? I hope not.

I hope they both go top 10. I can't believe there's a chance that Liz Phair may still have a bullet at year's end, since this song was my favorite all the way back in June/July.

[radiorules]

Does anyone know if those two stations that were supposed to be switched this week have now been added?

[j]

irice22 said:

I don't hear it that much either, but that doesn't really make it weak.

True.

irice22 said:

Favorite Top 3 or peak of #3? Just making sure! :)

Which other songs have peaked at #3 this year?
Cry Me A River
Can't Hold Us Down
Unwell
Why Don't You & I?
Bump, Bump, Bump
Get Busy (?)
Did Busta & Mariah peak at #3 or was that my personal chart?

irice22 said:

Who else is betting Liz Phair and Michelle Branch will peak at #17? I hope not.

I hope not for Liz Phair. But only Hilary Duff might fall below next week, and No Doubtwill easily pass her. Even if she fends off Simple Plan, she'll be stuck at #17. Actually No Doubt will probably pass her this week. If she keeps gaining she might still hit the Top 15. Nothing else is a threat to Liz.

[singingsparrow]

Here are my thoughts:

* First of all, look at Britney Spears' most talked-about first single losing gains rapidly (I expected this would happen). Noticing she still has been unable to leap Stacie Orrico, can it be possible Britney Spears will miss out on a Top-10 performance even with "Me Against The Music"? With a few singles sliding from the Top 10, she may stick her head up at #9 or #10, but this single may be doomed for any further growth.

* Beyonce will undoubtedly commandeer #1 again this week with "Baby Boy", but when it loses its bullet, it is possible 3 Doors Down can jump back to #1, as in many cases more rock-based singles lose spins slower than pop-based songs, cnsidering the 2000+ spin gap between #2 and #3.

* Despite Santana's "Shaman" not getting rescued with the huge single success of "Why Don't You & I?", he should consider releasing "Feels Like Fire" with Dido as a fourth single, which would at least do well on Hot AC. After all, new albums by Simple Plan and Michelle Branch aren't selling stellar right now and they're still getting singles on the charts.

* Fountains of Wayne may lose their bullet within the next two weeks, and we may be anticipating huge spin losses between -900 and -1200.

* Trapt certainly is a dark-horse candidate for topping the chart soon, but they'll have to keep their bullet steady at +400 or above and pray Beyonce and 3 Doors Down start losing quicker, or Outkast will leapfrog them soon.

* With matchbox twenty, Liz Phair (look at her gains rising), No Doubt and Simple Plan all rising up below the Top 15, it truly is war out there in attempting to make the Top 10 by the end of this year.

It seems No Doubt will rise above all the rest of these challengers next week, but with matchbox twenty being known for their slow and steady single gaining performance, "Bright Lights" will likely also be the turtle that wins the race to the Top 10 in the longer run.

* Nelly Furtado and Michelle Branch are both under much pressure right now with their latest singles, particularly Nelly.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

[M]

I'm really liking Liz Phair's track. When was it released to radio? It's been on the pop chart for quite a long time, hasn't it? And talk about one of the slowest rising songs on the chart, I was worried that this song was going to stall around the 30s @ one point.
Let's hope this cracks the top 10, since it's definitely better than "So Yesterday."

[Mega248]

Matt4319 said:

Am I reading this right? "Headstrong" had a +745 trend on Thursday and went on to gain just 37 spins in 2½ days.

I noticed that too. However, its gain has been fluctuating greatly throughout its entire chart run so it'll probably pick back up again.

radiorules said:

The Santana song has to be the weakest top 3 hit of the year, i never hear that song on the radio so that's kind of weird.

Yeah, it definitely has a very low spin total for a #3 song. The only song I've seen at #3 with a lower total was "Unwell", which had around 6000 spins.

[irice22]

I'm really liking Liz Phair's track. When was it released to radio? It's been on the pop chart for quite a long time, hasn't it? And talk about one of the slowest rising songs on the chart, I was worried that this song was going to stall around the 30s @ one point.

Funny, this song just came on the radio. Anyway, this could be a surprise Top 10 hit. It looks like it could soon make it to the +300's. This song's bulleet keeps getting higher and lower. I also thought this song would peak at #34 or #31 (where alsmost all songs in the 30's peak for some reason), but I'm very glad she's doing well. I'd like to see her follow-up her pop career.

Get Busy (?)
Did Busta & Mariah peak at #3 or was that my personal chart?

"Get Busy" did, but "I Know What You Want" went to #4

[j]

The noon update is up.

3 Doors Down has a bullet, albeit a very small one.

No Doubt has passed Liz Phair.

Pharrell is out of the Top 50.

We are 75 spins away from a Top 5 that has 4 non-Rhythmic songs. Even if it doesn't happen this week, it'll likely happen next week.

[ted11804]

Well about 4 days earlier it was a possibility Trapt would jump 8-3*. Then we said, "No, they can't make it. #5." Now it looks like they're only rising to #7.

This is a perfect example of how the pop chart is so much fun to keep track of - always interesting, always changing, always unpredictable.

[M]

ted11804 said:

This is a perfect example of how the pop chart is so much fun to keep track of - always interesting, always changing, always unpredictable.

True. BUT, remember that we're also talking about the same radio that refuses to give airplay to songs by so many artists nowadays.
e.g. Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow just to name a few...

[Libra]

M said:

e.g. Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow just to name a few...

I don't mean to argue, but I can see why Pop's not playing their latest singles.

Sheryl - I know I wouldn't like the idea of playing a song called The First Cut is the Deepest. It's not bad though.
Sarah - While Fallen is good, it is also too depressing.

[M]

MikeK102 said:

I don't mean to argue, but I can see why Pop's not playing their latest singles.

Sheryl - I know I wouldn't like the idea of playing a song called The First Cut is the Deepest. It's not bad though.
Sarah - While Fallen is good, it is also too depressing.

I was just trying to name a few but those were the ones that I could think of. I'm sure there are plenty of songs that deserved to chart higher, but weren't given the benefit of the doubt.
But I do think Jewel's "Stand" and even, Madonna's "Nothing Fails" should definitely be on that list.

[irice22]

Sarah - While Fallen is good, it is also too depressing.

I think "Fallen" is one of her catchiest songs (next to "Building a Mystrey"), I don't understand why "Angel" did so well (her most boring, in my eyes) and "Fallen" isn't doing well at all.

[Mega248]

Actually, "The First Cut Is The Deepest" is getting some nice early airplay as it hasn't even gone for adds yet. I think it can become a decent hit once it goes for adds.

"Headstrong" has risen to #6, but is apparently only up 13 spins from Thursday.

Michael Jackson's "Thriller", a gold, is +338 thanks to Halloween, making it the 8th greatest gainer of the week. Is this the first time a non-current has ever been among the top 10 gainers?

[Cerebro]

Mega248 said:

Michael Jackson's "Thriller", a gold, is +338 thanks to Halloween, making it the 8th greatest gainer of the week. Is this the first time a non-current has ever been among the top 10 gainers?

And with a +213 gain, Bobby 'Boris' Pickett and the Crypt Kickers' "Monster Mash" would round out the Jump! list at number 20.

Nope, this certainly not the first time a gold has been a top 10 gainer. Last Thanksgiving, Adam Sandler's "The Thanksgiving Song" had a gain of +594 in it's peak week (the 12/6/02 chart), making it the 7th greatest gainer.

[thisbeautifulmess]

MikeK102 said:

I don't mean to argue, but I can see why Pop's not playing their latest singles.

Sheryl - I know I wouldn't like the idea of playing a song called The First Cut is the Deepest. It's not bad though.
Sarah - While Fallen is good, it is also too depressing.

I totally disagree. These two songs are among the best of the year. I hear "first cut" all the time and can't figure out how it's not in the top 50 yet. I guess other areas of the country aren't playing it at all. If Dido can be in the top 50, I don't know why these two can't also. But maybe that's the problem- they are all too similar.

[radiorules]

i didn't know where to post this so i'll just post it here

The Voice Within: +1017! :o

[jond7699]

I am wicked impressed at the early numbers for TVW. I just hope it doesn't bottom out before the top ten. It's still early so anything could happen

[HER MINAJesty]

I am also very surprised at how well TVW is starting

Wow

It has jumped 80-39 according to the latest update, so it's already launched into the Top 40

it could slow down, though...

What hapened to the TVW prediction thread?

[FreakyFlyBry]

virgoluvsmusic said:

What hapened to the TVW prediction thread?

Boards like these have problems sometimes, and will occasionally reset the reply counter on certain topics, which makes it a pain because you can't access the last page directly from the index.

[j]

thisbeautifulmess said:

I totally disagree. These two songs are among the best of the year. I hear "first cut" all the time and can't figure out how it's not in the top 50 yet. I guess other areas of the country aren't playing it at all. If Dido can be in the top 50, I don't know why these two can't also. But maybe that's the problem- they are all too similar.

I think it's just going to take some time for these two songs to make the chart. Sarah might not make it at all, but Sheryl stands a good chance. Her adds date is still to come.

[jond7699]

I am still holding out faith for Sheryl because she hasn't gone for adds , but I am afraid that Sarah might not even make a dent.