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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 12, 2003 13:57:38 GMT -5
They probably just pull song titles out of a hat every two or three times a year. There's no other logical explanation, especially on the A/C chart, where there are several songs on the recurrent list that are older than songs on the "gold" list. This seems to be just like AT20's recurrent rule back when they used a twisted version of the Mediabase chart. Songs like "Cruisin'" and "My Baby You" were bumped off the chart while "Taking You Home" hung around a little longer. |
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Post by Keith3000 on Nov 12, 2003 14:05:57 GMT -5
OK guys, I'm totally confused here. I thought "gold" referred to a particular age of a song, ie. after a certain number of months, a recurrent is considered gold. You mean it has something to do with the chart performance of the song, ie. songs that do better go gold first?!
Is "If You're Gone" gold? In any case, "Bent" did better than IYG on R&R. I'm sure Mediabase just picks random songs and calls them "gold".
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Post by radiorules on Nov 12, 2003 14:08:00 GMT -5
MATM is done.
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Post by singingsparrow on Nov 12, 2003 14:11:49 GMT -5
OK guys, I'm totally confused here. I thought "gold" referred to a particular age of a song, ie. after a certain number of months, a recurrent is considered gold. You mean it has something to do with the chart performance of the song, ie. songs that do better go gold first?! Is "If You're Gone" gold? In any case, "Bent" did better than IYG on R&R. I'm sure Mediabase just picks random songs and calls them "gold". Not exactly. "In The End" and "Blurry" both went gold and both of these singles are barely over a year old. So to be honest, I have no clue what makes a single "gold". Some take forever to go gold, and many rock songs that cross-over big into CHR/Pop appear to make gold easily. As for "If You're Gone", yes, it is gold. And I have to disagree with you over "Bent" doing better than "If You're Gone". Bent may have peaked higher, but "If You're Gone" had a much longer chart run like "Unwell" had. "Bent" fell off the chart much quicker after peaking. Therefore, I believe "If You're Gone" was the stronger single. But "Bent" should also be gold. Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by singingsparrow on Nov 12, 2003 14:12:55 GMT -5
Hard to say. I have a feeling it is but I won't make that claim official until the single has a lost bullet greater than -150. Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by radiorules on Nov 12, 2003 14:29:16 GMT -5
I think the only reason the song had a ressurrection (i'd hardly call it that) was because her album was getting closer and closer, and all this in your face publicity isn't hurting her either. The same thing happened with "Slave" as "Britney" was about to get released.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 12, 2003 14:47:50 GMT -5
OK guys, I'm totally confused here. I thought "gold" referred to a particular age of a song, ie. after a certain number of months, a recurrent is considered gold. You mean it has something to do with the chart performance of the song, ie. songs that do better go gold first?! Is "If You're Gone" gold? In any case, "Bent" did better than IYG on R&R. I'm sure Mediabase just picks random songs and calls them "gold".
My theory is this:
A song goes recurrent on the chart. Every week afterward it continues to get at 500 spins. The week it drops below 500 for the first time (or maybe if it spends X number of weeks below 500 or something) it goes Gold. |
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Post by Hervard on Nov 12, 2003 19:36:40 GMT -5
Again, ponder my explanation for a second. Maybe there is a trend that all of the "Gold" songs follow. Maybe they have to fall below a certain threshold before they can go "gold" or a certain percentage point or whatever. I'm sure there's an explanation. Actually, Mike, your post was put up while I was still making mine (yours went up at 1:28 while mine went two minutes later). If I had seen your post, the explanation would have clarified things and I wouldn't have needed to post my theory, that Mediabase picks things at random. You do bring up a good point, though. Maybe it is if a song falls below a certain number of spins. I'll have to analyze songs that are moved from recurrent to Gold. And, since songs seem to do that in bunches, maybe they just keep track of songs that drop below the assigned threshold and get rid of them every few months. |
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Post by irice22 on Nov 12, 2003 20:33:29 GMT -5
I agree! We can't just go around saying songs with less than a +250 bullet are done. She is also very close to the Top 10 and brought herself up from the very weak bullet she had last week.
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Post by JCMF3 on Nov 12, 2003 22:25:22 GMT -5
If I had posted this when Fighter went from its dismal bullet to increasing, I would have been reamed by people saying that I only said that because I hate Christina, yada yada yada. *sigh* I really think you just like causing controversy on these boards. You probably have nothing better to do than do things like this... Look - I don't think that many people are taking this resurgence as meaning Britney is going to hit #1, but you still cannot deny that for the past 4 weeks her gains were consistently going down each day, and starting last Friday her gains increased and now they have held at +200 for a couple of days. Tomorrow, her gains could be +200ish or +100... it really is a toss up. But please, do not make such a broad claim like that because it only makes you look jealous/controversial/in your face etc. |
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Post by radiorules on Nov 12, 2003 22:49:37 GMT -5
It's done, and that's my final statement. You don't like it, tough luck ;) You could say that i am just jealous that it had started regaining, but i can also say you are just jealous because you overpredicted it! :o and Honestly, i am getting fed up with all your false accusations that i am dissing Britney when i haven't even said one thing bad about her. You just assume that my opinions on her must be bad simply because i am a Christina fan, that's very biased of you i must say. So what if i think her single won't go higher or if i think it's done, it's not like i was the first one to say that! I haven't said anything bad about Britney, her music, or her image in a damn while yet you assume that just because i don't think her song will go top ten then i must be a jealous Christina fan. Lately your complaining has been going out of hand, at least another member who shall remain with no name totally quit all these pointless arguments with me, and i give him credit for that.
I predict it will be #12 by sunday (yes, behind "Get Low") with no bullet!
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Post by Leafstorm on Nov 13, 2003 8:47:39 GMT -5
I predict it will be #12 by sunday (yes, behind "Get Low") with no bullet! |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 13, 2003 9:02:48 GMT -5
Actually, Mike, your post was put up while I was still making mine (yours went up at 1:28 while mine went two minutes later). If I had seen your post, the explanation would have clarified things and I wouldn't have needed to post my theory, that Mediabase picks things at random. |
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Post by Keith3000 on Nov 13, 2003 10:03:37 GMT -5
And I have to disagree with you over "Bent" doing better than "If You're Gone". Bent may have peaked higher, but "If You're Gone" had a much longer chart run like "Unwell" had. "Bent" fell off the chart much quicker after peaking. Therefore, I believe "If You're Gone" was the stronger single. Well, just going by chart statistics, it seems that "Bent" was the bigger hit on CHR/Pop. I mean it reached #1, whereas "If You're Gone" only peaked at #4. Both spent about half a year in the Top 40 (excellent chart runs), but "Bent" was on for 27 weeks, one week more than IYG. I guess you can say that even though "Bent" topped the Hot 100 also, IYG was the bigger hit on that chart due to its longevity. Same with the AC chart. |
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Post by Hervard on Nov 14, 2003 16:15:42 GMT -5
So, with Outkast moving up from 8-3 ahead of Fountains Of Wayne (which backward bullets to 4), do you think they'll reach number one, thus keeping alive the streak of no number two hits? They're still far behind, but gaining 1152 points in the latest update. Fountains Of Wayne seems to be slowing down and Baby Bash could become the first number two peak this year, but it probably won't happen until December.
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Post by ted11804 on Nov 14, 2003 16:19:25 GMT -5
Outkast just doesn't want to slow down! This should definitely be #1 in the 12/5 chart. It will be #3 this week and next as it waits for 3 Doors Down and Beyonce to clear out (11/21 & 11/28)
So far for this week's bullet sacrifices: Trapt, Lil Jon & The Eastside Boyz, 3 Doors Down, Nelly Furtado, and Black Eyed Peas is on their way with only +6...... :(
"Shut Up" deserves a lot more....especially since it's the first BEP single with their new female member....and it's a very good dance song (although it has cheezy lyrics.)
Liz Phair, Matchbox Twenty, Nickelback, and Michelle Branch are all screwed........because Chingy, Ludacris, Clay Aiken, and Christina Aguilera are all catching up them very quickly.
I think I'm ready to say goodbye to Liz Phair & Matchbox Twenty. As much as I would love to see them go top 10, it would be painful to wait for because it would take forever if it ever happened.
This week's debuts so far....Linkin Park & Willa Ford....
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Post by ExActLy99 on Nov 14, 2003 16:21:24 GMT -5
It doesn't look likely anymore that 3 Doors Down will take #1. I think Fountains of Wayne are done and will be dropping like crazy within 2-3 weeks, like Hillary Duff is right now, just 3 weeks ago she had a bullet and now she's -922!
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Post by Eyeball on Nov 14, 2003 16:37:23 GMT -5
This week's debuts so far....Linkin Park & Willa Ford.... Are those Top 40 or Top 50 debuts? |
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Nov 14, 2003 16:58:29 GMT -5
"Shut Up" deserves a lot more....especially since it's the first BEP single with their new female member....and it's a very good dance song (although it has cheezy lyrics.) One of the most annoying songs of the year- I wish they would just shut up! Seems like there are alot of songs without bullets throughout the chart (focusing on the top 10 and 30s mostly I guess). |
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Post by FreakyFlyBry on Nov 14, 2003 17:32:13 GMT -5
Are those Top 40 or Top 50 debuts? Top 50. Jessica Simpson's currently the only top 40 debut. Wow... the 15-25 range all has bullets right now :o |
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Post by AllOverThePlace on Nov 14, 2003 17:32:20 GMT -5
Are those Top 40 or Top 50 debuts? Top 50 |
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Post by allow that on Nov 14, 2003 18:20:59 GMT -5
Liz Phair, Matchbox Twenty, Nickelback, and Michelle Branch are all screwed........because Chingy, Ludacris, Clay Aiken, and Christina Aguilera are all catching up them very quickly. This sucks. The Liz Phair. Matchbox 20, and Michelle Branch songs are among the best on the chart right now. Chingy, Ludacris, and Clay Aiken are among the absolute worst. Hopefully the tables will turn again. |
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Post by JCMF3 on Nov 14, 2003 19:44:29 GMT -5
Hurray Clay Aiken!!!  Look at him charging through those songs like he is DA MAN! *snap* |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 14, 2003 20:23:54 GMT -5
Hurray Clay Aiken!!! Look at him charging through those songs like he is DA MAN! *snap* |
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Post by irice22 on Nov 14, 2003 20:30:02 GMT -5
I agree! These songs just weren't released at the right time!
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Post by ExActLy99 on Nov 15, 2003 11:23:16 GMT -5
This will be Liz Phair's 16th week in the Top 50 I believe, which makes 12 weeks in the Top 40. Matchbox Twenty is on their 13th week in the Top 50, 12th in the Top 40, "Unwell" reached Top 10 during it's 13th week. I think there is still a chance that these songs will go higher, but their bullets have been cut in half as of this morning.
*Missy Elliott was played this morning on Rick Dee's as the sureshot, this song is currently at #51, with -128, her loss may go down a bit but this song is just not catchy like "Work It" was.
*Nelly Furtado is pretty much done :'( and Enrique could be joining her too with only +22!
*All of the crappy songs on the chart are in the 20's with bullets in the +500-700 range! Chingy and Ludacris in particular, there is nothing special about these song, they're way too repetitive, and since they both feature Ludacris it's 10x worse!! Clay's is still listenable but I'm getting sick of it already. Christina Aguilera is still doing well, hopefully she'll get a Top 10! This song deserves it!
*Staind and Bubba Sparxxx are still gaining, these songs are taking a long time.
The bottom of the chart is really boring, all of the big gainers are in the Top 25! No competition here.
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Post by EvanJ on Nov 15, 2003 17:56:51 GMT -5
Young Gunz can debut if something goes recurrent, otherwise Dashboard Confessional and Kelis are on pace to pass them next week and they probably will lose their bullet by then. M.V.P. featuring Stagga Lee would be Number 10 New and Active, but if they aren't put there because they already peaked the next song will be "Rest In Pieces" which is old and they may not want to put that in New and Active either, and Sarah McLachlan has the next song with a bullet after that.
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Post by Mega248 on Nov 15, 2003 19:51:44 GMT -5
Young Gunz can debut if something goes recurrent, otherwise Dashboard Confessional and Kelis are on pace to pass them next week and they probably will lose their bullet by then. M.V.P. featuring Stagga Lee would be Number 10 New and Active, but if they aren't put there because they already peaked the next song will be "Rest In Pieces" which is old and they may not want to put that in New and Active either, and Sarah McLachlan has the next song with a bullet after that. There aren't any recurrents this week. Also, "Rock Ya Body Mic Check 1,2" gained spins last week and appeared in N&A so I'd imagine they would this week too. |
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Nov 15, 2003 20:06:34 GMT -5
I'm surprised if Nelly is losing ground. That song is great. That Britney song definitely won't hit #1 at its rate. Outkast is definitely going to be #1 if not this week then next. Baby Bash is a big surprise. I didn't think it was all that popular or for that matter all that good.
Is it my imagination or did 3 Doors Down not hit #1? Beyonce just has a death grip on radio play AND the Billboard chart with that song. 8 weeks at #1. Can it hit 10 weeks?
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Post by mst3k on Nov 15, 2003 22:28:56 GMT -5
Is it my imagination or did 3 Doors Down not hit #1? Must be your imagination... they were #1 before "Baby Boy" took over. :) |
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