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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 11, 2004 14:14:29 GMT -5
Ok guys, as you probably read in that other topic, I'm kinda "lobbying" but not really for a separate Canadian Forum at these boards. Since we can't discuss Canadian airplay and Canadian-only radio/single released in the format forums anymore, they've been banished to Global Charts. I have nothing against Global Charts but when mixing Canadian music with other worldly music, it's even more confusing than mixing Canadian music with American music. Plus, I figure that since a good amount of the people at this board are Canadian and there was always a nice bit of discussion on Canadian radio/song topics, its own forum would work. It wouldn't be SUPER busy but it would surely be busier than Smooth Jazz or Latin and maybe even moreso than AC and Hot AC/Triple A. So I'd like to get some opinions for or against the creation of a Canadian Music Forum. Let's have a civil discussion on the idea. And then maybe Matt will consider it at some point after we've discussed it.
Some things that would be discussed in it is william's weekly posting of the airplay chart, Bryan's weekly posting of the CCC Top 20, along with songs that are getting Canadian airplay (such as 'Bye Bye Boyfriend'), Canadian sales charts, the upcoming Juno Awards, etc.
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Post by Rob64 on Jan 11, 2004 14:54:26 GMT -5
sounds like a good idea. we can also discuss the muchmusic charts how much cancon sucks ;)
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Post by FreakyFlyBry on Jan 11, 2004 15:55:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing this, sounds like an interesting idea that could be tried out.
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Jan 11, 2004 15:59:04 GMT -5
I agree with Rebirth--go start your own Proboards forum! And by the way, "Canadians" aren't their own race; that's possibly the most utterly assinine thing I've ever read on the boards all these years, and Lord knows you've got a lot of competition for that! I'll listen to your petulant whining when R&R starts printing Canadian charts--until then, shut yer hole, and consider the red carpet laid out for your exit!
And it's way to late for you to ask for "civil discussion"after the way you've been behaving!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 11, 2004 16:04:00 GMT -5
These aren't the R&R boards.
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Post by j on Jan 11, 2004 16:04:22 GMT -5
I think there isn't enough material to start a whole forum on it.
Besides, I think you would only be doing Canadian artists a favor by discussing their music in Music News or even Global Music because then non-Canadians might read it and be exposed to such music.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 11, 2004 16:06:28 GMT -5
Besides, I think you would only be doing Canadian artists a favor by discussing their music in Music News or even Global Music because then non-Canadians might read it and be exposed to such music. But the favour was even more extreme when they were allowed in the other forums too.
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Post by Rob64 on Jan 11, 2004 16:11:26 GMT -5
Mike.. my advice to you.. Come here and read topics, post and leave LOL!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2004 16:11:48 GMT -5
But the favour was even more extreme when they were allowed in the other forums too. The artists ARE allowed in the other forums. The CHARTS and Canadian ONLY releases are not allowed in those forums. If you want to talk about Alanis's new single, put it in CHR/Pop or Hot AC. If you want to talk about her album, put it in Music News or Your Opinion Please. If we have a Canadian forum, then the British are going to want their own forum too because we have just as many British here as Canadians. All those things belong in Global Music. And although you don't want to agree, Canadian Music would be an even more specific category and would have even less viewers than Global Music. The people making a big deal out of this are the Canadians. Americans just see it as another forum on here that they're not going to visit. There is a whole world of music out there for the Brits and Aussies too, and we can't have forums for everybody. The administrator here is American. This board is a spin-off of an American board. So that's just how it is. This would cause even more problems than it's worth.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 11, 2004 16:15:47 GMT -5
I appreciate that you FINALLY have given me some reasons and FINALLY discussed it without being rude and ignorant, unlike a certain other person in this topic to which I was quite surprised.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Jan 11, 2004 17:03:06 GMT -5
I disagree with it mainly for one of the reasons Josh gave. If we make a Canadian forum, then we have to make a British forum when they ask for one, or an Australian forum, etc. It's ridiculous, that's what the Global forum is for.
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Post by jond7699 on Jan 11, 2004 17:03:48 GMT -5
I think that things are running smoothly and like Rebirth said if Canadians get their own forum than every one from a different country will want one. I don't understand why it is such an issue to post this type of stuff in the Global forum. I know I go in there alot to check out what is happening in the world of music.
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Jan 11, 2004 17:29:54 GMT -5
These aren't the R&R boards. My apologies--you're quite right! As copied and pasted from the main page: RADIO & RECORDS CHART FORUMSI will be more-explicit next time, and not abbreviate! I appreciate that you FINALLY have given me some reasons and FINALLY discussed it without being rude and ignorant, unlike a certain other person in this topic to which I was quite surprised. If I presume I am a "certain other person", you were most-certainly quite rude and ignorant to Rebirth, and quite frankly, "raving lunatic" comes to mind as well. I am a firm believer in "take it or leave it", and your demands that the people who put untold hours of blood sweat and tears into these boards do your bidding "or else" raises my hackles! I don't care if, in the end, 50.1% of the people posting in this topic are on your side, they can do whatever they want, because it's their board!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 11, 2004 17:40:31 GMT -5
If I presume I am a "certain other person", you were most-certainly quite rude and ignorant to Rebirth, and quite frankly, "raving lunatic" comes to mind as well. I am a firm believer in "take it or leave it", and your demands that the people who put untold hours of blood sweat and tears into these boards do your bidding "or else" raises my hackles! I don't care if, in the end, 50.1% of the people posting in this topic are on your side, they can do whatever they want, because it's their board! I have always tried to be as polite as I could whenever disagreeing or "arguing" or whatever with Josh but he continued to use his attitude of "if you don't like, leave" toward me and others. That topic to which you're referring to was the first time that I have ever tried to be rude and ignorant toward someone on these boards. I always believe in playing or doing things fairly toward people and hope that I'll be treated fairly in return. I have felt that Josh was rude and ignorant toward me on many occations since just before this board was made so for you to go off and tell me that I was rude to him shows that you haven't seen the full story so maybe it's not your place to point it out to me.
And it IS their board but they have the boards here for us. If Josh or any other moderator thinks that moderating this place is becoming a hassle, they ALSO have the freedom to "retire" their duties as moderator. I'm sure Matt wouldn't be offended or have any hard feelings toward them. As for me telling them to do my bidding "or else." I've gotton that feeling from people here before. They tell me to do their bidding, "or else" when it comes to the things they set down. The whole "if you don't like it, leave" thing I find to be really rude and ignorant. I guess you don't share that opinion.
As for the whole idea about if there's a Canadian forum, people will want forums for their country too. That's definately true and I can't argue with that. My (fairly weak) rebuttle is that the % of Canadians on these boards is probably the same as the % of total non-North Americans here.
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Post by jond7699 on Jan 11, 2004 17:58:38 GMT -5
As for the whole idea about if there's a Canadian forum, people will want forums for their country too. That's definately true and I can't argue with that. My (fairly weak) rebuttle is that the % of Canadians on these boards is probably the same as the % of total non-North Americans here.Because there is really no rebuttal to the arguement. But I would love to read more info about the Canadian charts. I am really really interested and have actually had the opportunity to move to Canada (Calgary) to be more specific. Canada has always fascinated me but Josh is right in this aspect
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Post by BFMR on Jan 11, 2004 18:09:01 GMT -5
I agree with Rebirth--go start your own Proboards forum! And by the way, "Canadians" aren't their own race; that's possibly the most utterly assinine thing I've ever read on the boards all these years, and Lord knows you've got a lot of competition for that! I'll listen to your petulant whining when R&R starts printing Canadian charts--until then, shut yer hole, and consider the red carpet laid out for your exit! And it's way to late for you to ask for "civil discussion"after the way you've been behaving! i don't know where you feel that Mike's proposal calls for language such as "Shut yer hole"... honestly, that's quite rude, ignorant and uncalled for... shame on you! I don't know why people say that Mike has an attitude towards this... the only reason why he is so upset is the way some people reply here always saying the same F'N thing over and over... the whole thing of "if you aren't happy, leave" and "this is their boards" is BULL! First off, these boards would be NOTHING without us, they would be yet another unimportant speck on the dot, and by constantly telling us that "if we aren't happy, leave... you'd be left with a bunch of "yes" men (or woman) and ass-kissers... if my reply was rude, to be honest, i couldn't care less, time for people to realize that this whole "this is an American board" bullcrap be put to rest, i've made my comments quite clear on that... My apologies--you're quite right! As copied and pasted from the main page: RADIO & RECORDS CHART FORUMSI will be more-explicit next time, and not abbreviate! hmmm... now that i read this... where in the hell did i see RADIO & RECORD AMERICAN CHART FORUMS
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Post by Edf85 on Jan 11, 2004 18:11:05 GMT -5
If the 10 (at most) Canadians here left, there would still be 300 other members. That's more than speck. ???
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Post by jond7699 on Jan 11, 2004 18:28:18 GMT -5
Sheesh this is a touchy subject
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Jan 11, 2004 18:57:04 GMT -5
That topic to which you're referring to was the first time that I have ever tried to be rude and ignorant toward someone on these boards. Indeed...I was taken aback! You don't have that rep like I do! I have felt that Josh was rude and ignorant toward me on many occations since just before this board was madeDo unto others... If Josh or any other moderator thinks that moderating this place is becoming a hassle, they ALSO have the freedom to "retire" their duties as moderator.
Just a side complaint that I've not bellyached about ever: for those of us who aren't so invested in this board, couldn't y'all use board names? How many newbies or casual visitors know who Josh and Mike and all these other people are? Why should they have to crinkle their brow and figure it out? I didn't even know Rebirth's name until now, and I didn't remember yours until now. Nobody calls Pink Alicia when they're posting about her...why is this different, I'm curious... They tell me to do their bidding, "or else" when it comes to the things they set down. The whole "if you don't like it, leave" thing I find to be really rude and ignorant. I guess you don't share that opinion.
If you borrow somebody's car, and they ask you to keep it clean, do you bring it back trashed out? When you sign an apartment lease, do you tear out the kitchen cabinets and build your own despite what the lease says you can do re modifications? Etc. etc. They are the proprietors...why is that so hard to get? i don't know where you feel that Mike's proposal calls for language such as "Shut yer hole"... honestly, that's quite rude, ignorant and uncalled for... shame on you! ROFL!!! Trust me, I can come up with stronger epithets than that! Of course, Bengino hypocritically goes on to use several more irate (though abbreviated or truncated) words in his post. But it wasn't about his proposal, it was about his behaviour in the previous topic. if my reply was rude, to be honest, i couldn't care less, time for people to realize that this whole "this is an American board" bullcrap be put to rest, i've made my comments quite clear on that... Lordy, I don't even want to know! I wasn't industrious enough to read the whole 'dang' topic, I just saw Rebirth and The Max pulling each other's hair out at the end (and again, you'll notice that I'm down on Max' replies, not Rebirth's). RADIO & RECORD AMERICAN CHART FORUMS You're not welcome...lame rebuttal! Radio and Records does not publish Canadian charts, they do not publish Canadian radio news unless it overlaps into an American market, and they only have articles about Canadian stations when they're successful and when their ideas may be appealing to be coopted by stations down South!
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Post by j on Jan 11, 2004 19:03:39 GMT -5
Come to think of it, the idea is really quite ridiculous. A Canadian forum by itself will be even more slow-moving than Global Charts. I don't see at all how "confusing" it can be to have it in Global Charts along with a meagre handful of other topics. Now that I've realized this, it seems that the lobbying for a Canadian forum is simply to irritate the moderators.
Your 1st choice should be to be able to discuss Canadian music in the format forums, followed by Global Charts forum. The Canadian forum should be the last thing anyone would want. If your second choice is to have a separate Canadian forum then I'll have to refer you back to the last sentence of my first paragraph.
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Post by FriendsFan on Jan 11, 2004 19:21:22 GMT -5
The Max, you're lobbying for a whole forum for Canadian music? You're a cool person, but that's a pretty bad idea. At first I thought you just wanted to be allowed to post Canadian stuff in CHR/Pop.
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Post by af18c on Jan 11, 2004 19:38:50 GMT -5
I agree with Rebirth--go start your own Proboards forum! And by the way, "Canadians" aren't their own race; that's possibly the most utterly assinine thing I've ever read on the boards all these years, and Lord knows you've got a lot of competition for that! I'll listen to your petulant whining when R&R starts printing Canadian charts--until then, shut yer hole, and consider the red carpet laid out for your exit! I agree! If your not satisfied with this American Music Message Board, go start your own...maybe if Matt lets you use the name, you can call it Pulse Canada.
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Post by af18c on Jan 11, 2004 19:40:52 GMT -5
i want to make a forum too! ZIMBABWEAN MUSIC CHARTS Country equality
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Post by Rob64 on Jan 11, 2004 20:34:09 GMT -5
It would be cool to have a canadian forum. but honestly, not getting it is not a big loss. I don't see the big deal of simply posting canadian songs under the global music forum
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Post by Edf85 on Jan 11, 2004 20:34:55 GMT -5
It would be cool to have a canadian forum. but honestly, not getting it is not a big loss. I don't see the bid deal of simply posting canadian songs under the global music forum :)
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Post by EvanJ on Jan 11, 2004 22:10:24 GMT -5
I'll listen to your petulant whining when R&R starts printing Canadian charts--until then, shut yer hole, and consider the red carpet laid out for your exit! R&R has no need to make Canadian charts because they have their own. Would a Canadian want Canadian charts to be made by Canadians or Americans?
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Post by EvanJ on Jan 11, 2004 22:16:57 GMT -5
Just a side complaint that I've not bellyached about ever: for those of us who aren't so invested in this board, couldn't y'all use board names? How many newbies or casual visitors know who Josh and Mike and all these other people are? Why should they have to crinkle their brow and figure it out? I didn't even know Rebirth's name until now, and I didn't remember yours until now. Nobody calls Pink Alicia when they're posting about her...why is this different, I'm curious... I feel the same way when I read posts from all over the country on radio-info and they call stations by names and I have to use radio-locator to figure out the call letters. I don't find it hard to find out who somebody is talking about here though, you don't spend as much time here as me. Because of Alicia Keys, it wouldn't make sense to call Pink "Alicia." I don't think it's necessary to learn the real name of every rapper who doesn't go by their real name.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 12, 2004 17:08:52 GMT -5
If the 10 (at most) Canadians here left, there would still be 300 other members. That's more than speck. ??? The boards have more than 10 Canadians. Thank you. :)Hmmm, you're right. I guess we've become accustomed to using certain names for certain people. I call Leafstorm Leafstorm yet FreakyFlyBry Bryan.I did. But since that was dead set against by Josh because of his insistance that these are the Radio & Records Boards (which they are NOT. These are the Pulse Boards that seem to be some kind of replacement to the Radio & Records Boards, with some modifications such as a Dance Forum yet there isn't a Dance Chart on R&R but whatever) so I figured, why not have an All Canadian News/Chart Forum? My reasoning was because it being in Global Chart, the mixing up of Canadian Music with European and Australian music is even more confusing than Canadian + American music. Now, I'm not saying anything bad about European and Australian music and charts whatsoever but wouldn't it make sense to mix two kinds of music that are similar together as opposed to mixing two different kinds together? To me, European music and charts are fairly similar to Australian music and their charts. Not THAT similar but kinda. (actually, now that I think about it, they are kinda different but I'll carry on my point). When people go to Global Charts Forum, I assume they expect to find topics about artists like Robbie Williams, Sugababes, Will Young and the Top singles in the UK and the Top Australian albums and all that stuff. However, the Canadian music scene is so much like the American Music scene in terms of how formats work, how radio stations work, the songs that get released to both countries, the airplay charts, the singles market, albums, etc, that it would make more sense to have Canadian news and airplay charts in with the format forums. Correct me if I'm wrong but does any other country besides Canada and the US have clear cut radio formats like Hot AC, AC, Alternative, CHR/Pop, Rhythmic, etc? I'm not aware of them. And for some reason, to me, posting the Top 20 Canadian Country Songs in the Global Chart seems a bit out of place as opposed to posting it in the Country Forum. (where, might I add, there is a personal charts topic instead of it being in the Personal Charts Forum but that's insignificant to my argument right now). I can totally see how some people might not like the idea but for me, I'd rather Canadian charts be discussed in an organized area like its own forum or with chart topics similar to it instead of Global Charts Forum. I mean, the UK market is much bigger than Canadas, and the Australian market is decent too, plus there are a nice bit of members on this board from both areas, so what would be the hard of adding a Canadian, European AND Australian forum to the boards? Maybe add them to a new section along with Formats, Music Forums, Off-Topic Forums and Radio Forums. Probably call it 'Specified Countries Forum' or something like that. It might make for easier navigation? And I don't think it's overloading on the number of forums we have here. Some boards have like 50 different forums. Plus, it's organizing the Global Charts Forum alittle bit more! I'd like to add that I'm not saying Canada is more important than any other country out there. One of my main reasonings is that there is a large number of Canadians that occupy this board. If we had a whole lotta people from Thailand here too that discussed their own charts in Global Music Forum quite often, it would make sense for their case too.
And for you people who aren't for my idea, there is no need to be rude and ignorant.
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Jan 12, 2004 17:51:07 GMT -5
I did. But since ... case too.
And for you people who aren't for my idea, there is no need to be rude and ignorant. I couldn't quite motivate myself to read your gigantic response, but the last sentence caught my eye. Calling people who don't agree with you "ignorant" would fer shur be "rude" in and of itself! Not to mention wrong! >:(
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 12, 2004 18:47:08 GMT -5
I couldn't quite motivate myself to read your gigantic response, but the last sentence caught my eye. Calling people who don't agree with you "ignorant" would fer shur be "rude" in and of itself! Not to mention wrong! >:( So the following quotes aren't rude:And the people that have constantly told me to leave if I don't like the rules here. If you don't call that rude, I'd hate to see you when you are rude!
And if you aren't going to bother reading my entire replies then the issue isn't of a concern to you therefore you need'nt bother yourself coming in here anymore.
I should probably add the following in disagreement posts that I don't consider rude even though they didn't agree with my idea:
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