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Post by Keith3000 on Feb 26, 2004 16:10:53 GMT -5
Oh, and one more thing confuses me, radiosucks. I thought "Genie In A Bottle" was the #1 song of 1999. And wasn't "What A Girl Wants" the biggest song of 2000? And what I'll never understand is how you could overlook 2001's smash hit "Lady Marmalade". Come on, I thought you knew better. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Radiorocks on Feb 26, 2004 16:15:50 GMT -5
huh? When did i ever say "What A Girl Wants" was the #1 song of 2000? Was it even in the top 10 on the unfair R & R year end?
I also never claimed "Genie In A Bottle" was the #1 song of 1999, those titles would fit better with "Baby One More Time" or "Livin Lavida Loca".
And as for "Lady Marmalade", i do agree that it was the #1 song of 2001, but if we are just talking about pop airplay, then no.
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Post by Keith3000 on Feb 26, 2004 16:24:33 GMT -5
Lol, I was being sarcastic. Couldn't you figure that out?
Ok, my preivous post was before I read your explanation. Was each of those songs you mentioned #1 on the Billboard Top 40 tracks chart or something for each year? I know that for 2003. "Unwell" was the year end #1 on that chart. And another thing...if you want to go by Billboard charts, the R&R year end #1's for the past few years are much higher up on the Hot 100 year end chart for that respective year than any of the songs you mentioned.
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Post by ExActLy99 on Feb 26, 2004 16:29:14 GMT -5
I thought "In The End" went on to become the biggest song of 2002? "Hanging By A Moment" has got to be the biggest hit of 2001, I'd say it and "How You Remind Me" are tied for the biggest songs so far this decade. For my predictions of 2004.. I'm really unsure, but I think "This Love" will have a very good shot at being in the top 5. "Don't Tell Me" may also be up there, I don't think this will be as big as "Complicated," but since it has been released a few months earlier this will giver her a better chance of making top 5. "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" - I still don't know what to think of this song, it doesn't sound like a hit, but then it does, I'm so confused. "Away From The Sun" - I'm not sure how this will do, but if it goes at least top 5 I could see this in the top 10, I think this may peak lower, but last a long time, I'm saying that it will be this year "Unwell," but I've said that for several songs. "My Immortal" - I don't see this being in the top 5 for the year, the song sounds like one of those songs that stays around 0 gains/losses for a few weeks and eventually just starts speeding down, - 800 - -1200, I think once the hype for this song is over, it's over, and the song will really come crashing down, but I could be wrong, but it just sounds like a song stations will really get burnt out on after playing for a long time, then they can ship it off to their AC stations. And finally some of the current Rock hits, "Echo" and "Last Train Home" - both of these songs are excellent, if they both crossover they could be up in the top 10, but I don't really know if I want them to, because Pop radio will ruin the appeal of the songs with it's gross overplay. Either way, if those 2 songs did go for Pop adds I could see them lasting for a very long time, maybe they won't get the peaks, but they'll sure get the weeks.
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 26, 2004 17:45:31 GMT -5
I thought "In The End" went on to become the biggest song of 2002? It was huge, but "How You Remind Me" was the bigger hit of 2002. "In The End" was in the Top 3 however. "Away From The Sun" - I'm not sure how this will do, but if it goes at least top 5 I could see this in the top 10, I think this may peak lower, but last a long time, I'm saying that it will be this year "Unwell," but I've said that for several songs. "My Immortal" - I don't see this being in the top 5 for the year, the song sounds like one of those songs that stays around 0 gains/losses for a few weeks and eventually just starts speeding down, - 800 - -1200, I think once the hype for this song is over, it's over, and the song will really come crashing down, but I could be wrong, but it just sounds like a song stations will really get burnt out on after playing for a long time, then they can ship it off to their AC stations. And finally some of the current Rock hits, "Echo" and "Last Train Home" - both of these songs are excellent, if they both crossover they could be up in the top 10, but I don't really know if I want them to, because Pop radio will ruin the appeal of the songs with it's gross overplay. Either way, if those 2 songs did go for Pop adds I could see them lasting for a very long time, maybe they won't get the peaks, but they'll sure get the weeks. You make some interesting points here. First of all, I don't see "Away From The Sun" being as big as their first two mainstream hits. It could go Top 10, but I think it'll likely peak between #8-#15. As for "My Immortal", though I am suprised it got this far, as it sounds way too slow for a possible #1 hit, I wouldn't be suprised if it lost at a fairly slow rate. I predict once this single loses its bullet (likely within the next four weeks) it'll have losses between -450 and -700. Tracks that are non-Urban and non-Rhythmic just seem to stand out on the format, and though I don't see them having any longevity like "Here Without You" or "Iris", it won't be a drastic spin loss for them. Finally, I agree that "Echo" is a big potential second mainstream smash for Trapt. It is slower than "Headstrong", but not that much slower. It's like Creed-tempo. But...because it hasn't went for Adds yet on CHR/Pop, it probably won't make the Top 10 at the end of the year unless they hurry. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by crash46 on Feb 26, 2004 18:45:27 GMT -5
There is no way that a song by Avril Lavigne is going to be #1 for 2004. All these trendy pop stars are incapable of making songs with longevity. That's why "Toxic" isn't going to be a #1, let alone the fact that half its chart life is already up.
The #1 song of the year is always an accessible, play-it safe-rock song. When the big rock hits cross over, and then preliminarily test well on pop, the programmers take the easy way out and sit on that song for the next 8 months just so they can say they have the best "variety", knowing that half of their work for the rest of the season is done.
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Post by JCMF3 on Feb 26, 2004 19:00:38 GMT -5
huh? When did i ever say "What A Girl Wants" was the #1 song of 2000? Was it even in the top 10 on the unfair R & R year end? The "unfair" R&R year end? What is "unfair" about it? Please... if you don't agree with year-end charts, that's fine. But please, when you start using word like "unfair", it is a little too much. To say something is unfair would mean that it was biased in some way. If a chart is compiled by adding up spin totals from a certain date to another, that is not necessarily skewed or biased. Now, if for example, one station's spins were counted twice as much as another, then yes that would be biased. But the year-end chart represents the songs with the most spins between two dates. Period. And don't you make a year-end chart for your personal chart? (I thought I remembered you saying you had one...)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2004 19:07:52 GMT -5
My first prediction would be "Falls On Me" by Fuel.
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Post by Matt4319 on Feb 26, 2004 19:51:12 GMT -5
Because no one has guessed it yet: How about the current leader, "Hey Ya!"? Well, it's certainly no more of a stretch than some other guesses so far.
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Post by JayBoozer on Feb 26, 2004 19:51:42 GMT -5
My first prediction would be "Falls On Me" by Fuel. Uh. . . definitely not.
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Post by crash46 on Feb 26, 2004 21:13:39 GMT -5
I don't care about "spins", because that's an unfair and selfish way of determining a #1 song. R & R does not know how to compile their year ends. Well your opinionated list of the most popular songs of the last 5 years is all well and good, but let's see here...when R and R publishes weekly charts tracking the total number of plays all the songs get, and then year-end chart time comes along and you're expecting them to throw it all out the window in favor of mainstream appeal? If there's a common sense train, your computer must be the last stop! Don't fault R and R for just doing their jobs.
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Post by halo19 on Feb 26, 2004 21:41:09 GMT -5
Well radiosucks, it's nothing special, but you can't get so mad over the truth. Those songs were played, and that's the most accurate way to get how big a song is. It is not "unfair" at all. Plus, you managed to put "airplay".
I also think it's only fear of the truth because I bet it wouldn't always make a difference on how a song did. And audience says when people hear a song, but if you don't get to hear it, you don't get to know your impression, and sometimes people leave their radio on, which unknowingly helps for a song that they hate.
This is far more pathetic than the political dead-horse beating of the Bush/Gore voting thing that some liberals have still fighted about. I won't go any more further becuz I just wanted to use a similar analogy.
The funny thing is that of all the unfair things in the world that can be viewed as unfair, you chose something that's 100% fair.
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Post by Keith3000 on Feb 26, 2004 22:05:05 GMT -5
Because no one has guessed it yet: How about the current leader, "Hey Ya!"? Well, it's certainly no more of a stretch than some other guesses so far. Wouldn't "The Way You Move" be higher on the year end survey? But I guess, since we'll be considering December spins as well, "Hey Ya!" still has a chance to finish ahead, though I really don't see it #1 for 2004...it may appear in the Top 10 if it gets good recurrent airplay..
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Post by mst3k on Feb 26, 2004 22:41:32 GMT -5
"Where Is The Love?" was the #1 song of 2003. I am sick of all these rock songs cheating and releasing their songs in the beginning of the year just so they can have the false title of being the #1 song of the year, that's a bunch of bull crap. There are the real #1's of the year... 2003: Where Is The Love or Here Without You 2002: Complicated 2001: Fallin 2000: Bye, Bye, Bye 1999: Livin Lavida Loca 1998: My Heart Will Go On Before I read anymore in this topic, I just have to say... LOL! You are so full of it.
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Post by Hervard on Feb 27, 2004 10:33:21 GMT -5
I also think it's only fear of the truth because I bet it wouldn't always make a difference on how a song did. And audience says when people hear a song, but if you don't get to hear it, you don't get to know your impression, and sometimes people leave their radio on, which unknowingly helps for a song that they hate. Wait a minute. You mean that how many people that have their radio on when a song is on is how audience impressions are figured?
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Post by Keith3000 on Feb 27, 2004 10:44:17 GMT -5
Wait a minute. You mean that how many people that have their radio on when a song is on is how audience impressions are figured? "Audience impressions" basically means the amount of people that actually hear a song when it's played on a station. Obviously, there's no exact number, so what's taken into consideration is the population of the local area and the relative number of listeners to the station at a given period. It's basically assumed that more radios are on during say, the breakfast slot or the evening commute than at 3am or something like that.
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Post by capital_guy on Feb 27, 2004 11:07:11 GMT -5
My Immortal - Evanescence Don't tell me - Avril Lavigne Are You Gonna Be My Girl - Jet
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Post by j on Feb 27, 2004 11:31:37 GMT -5
R & R does not know how to compile their year ends. Billboard's CHR Pop year end is a lot more accurate than this junk. Billboard "year-end" charts only count spins from during the time frame that a song is charting and doesn't count recurrent spins. How can that possibly be more accurate than a "year-end" chart that counts all spins the song receives over an entire year? LOL, I don't know why I bothered...
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Post by halo19 on Feb 27, 2004 13:32:57 GMT -5
You are so right, i.
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Post by hamjerzee on Feb 27, 2004 15:02:30 GMT -5
Evanescence - My Immortal Maroon 5 - This Love
And most unlikely to become #1... Britney Spears - Toxic
With option #3, that would end the streak of rock songs taking the #1 position for the year I'm guessing.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 27, 2004 15:08:28 GMT -5
I don't think Evanescence will get it. The song had too much of its chart life in 2003, didn't it? Plus, they're probably releasing a new song to Pop within the next little while. I'm also kinda surprised Avril is getting considerations. I'm seeing a replay of 'Thank U' with this song. Maybe #28 for the year.
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Post by Hervard on Feb 27, 2004 15:27:09 GMT -5
I don't think Evanescence will get it. The song had too much of its chart life in 2003, didn't it?
That didn't stop "How You Remind Me" by Nickelback from topping the 2002 year ender.
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Post by ted11804 on Feb 27, 2004 16:00:56 GMT -5
I don't think Evanescence will get it. The song had too much of its chart life in 2003, didn't it? Plus, they're probably releasing a new song to Pop within the next little while. I'm also kinda surprised Avril is getting considerations. I'm seeing a replay of 'Thank U' with this song. Maybe #28 for the year. Except "Don't Tell Me" is 500 times better than "Thank U." It's looking at high debuts on my chart for this week.
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Post by capital_guy on Feb 27, 2004 17:29:42 GMT -5
Now that I've actually heard Don't Tell Me, I'm changing my mind. The song is nothing but album, filler.
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Post by EvanJ on Feb 27, 2004 20:52:03 GMT -5
Arbitron ratings are samples. Nobody know how many radios were turned on at a time. They have made a Portable People Meter (PPM) which eventually may be used. A problem with the PPM is that if you are at a place where you have to listen to a radio station you don't choose and don't like, you won't write it down and give the station credit. The PPM would keep track of what station you heard regardless of who controlled the radio. In conclusion, audience is much less accurate than spins. Halo20 and ulij20, you can go to www.radio-info.com and ask for more information if you want.
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Post by seattleboy on Feb 29, 2004 14:23:40 GMT -5
With You Jessica Simpson. Toxic Britney Spears. Agreed.
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