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Post by WhySoSerious? on Sept 8, 2004 13:31:08 GMT -5
Obviously inspired by the Music News topic.
Not a knock on Aaliyah because she was great, but Brandy was clearly more successful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2004 14:47:28 GMT -5
Brandy was clearly more successful.
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Post by bluenote on Sept 8, 2004 15:40:05 GMT -5
Overall...Brandy
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Post by allow that on Sept 8, 2004 15:41:33 GMT -5
Yeah... are we talking about overall here or just in the music world? It would affect who I'd vote for...
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 8, 2004 16:13:44 GMT -5
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Sept 8, 2004 16:18:00 GMT -5
Yeah... are we talking about overall here or just in the music world? It would affect who I'd vote for... You can use whatever criteria I guess. Brandy wins them all for me anyway.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 8, 2004 16:54:35 GMT -5
Well this depends on quality, sales, and influence I think Aaliyah had more genuine influence and better quality for her genre but Brandy had more sales and mainstream success. So...it really would depend.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 8, 2004 17:02:11 GMT -5
Aaliyah. Aaliyah was the first artist to ever get #1 with an airplay only single. Brandy hasn't done anything memorable.
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Post by krazymack on Sept 8, 2004 17:34:32 GMT -5
I'm actually quite surprised how much Brandy and Aaliyah are being compared as music industry rivals on this board. I remember Brandy and Monica to be the competitive ones back in the mid to late 90's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2004 17:35:31 GMT -5
I'm actually quite surprised how much Brandy and Aaliyah are being compared as music industry rivals on this board. I remember Brandy and Monica to be the competitive ones back in the mid to late 90's. That's because no one even put Aaliyah in their league until she died.
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Post by mst3k on Sept 8, 2004 18:06:07 GMT -5
Brandy.
Of course, "successful" doesn't apply to either one of them now.
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Post by strong4PMB! on Sept 8, 2004 18:15:07 GMT -5
Brandy was more successful until August 2001.
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Post by allow that on Sept 8, 2004 18:29:27 GMT -5
That's because no one even put Aaliyah in their league until she died. WRONG. She was the first of the 3 of them to come out, and the 3 of them were always considered in the same league. Aaliyah tried to pull herself out of that, by using producers the others werent using and turning to a different audience as her core. There was a lot of rivalry between Aaliyah and Brandy in 1994/1995 and they both often spoke about each other in interviews. Maybe you were too young to remember that You can say Brandy was more successful, but if you say Aaliyah was in a lower league that's an outright fabrication. And I don't get why people are saying Aaliyah's career didn't take off until after her death when her 4 out of her 5 BIGGEST HITS all happened while she was ALIVE. (AYTS?, Try Again, Back & Forth, One In a Million... Miss You being the posthumous one)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2004 18:35:02 GMT -5
Brandy's singles eclipsed every one of those listed songs. Brandy's albums were certified multiplatinum and she's still alive. Aaliyah's albums weren't certified multi-platinum until everyone decided that Aaliyah was this godsend of R&B and rushed out to buy her albums even though they didn't care about her before she died. Her albums were certified 2x platinum in the fall of 2001. Brandy's debut album is 4x platinum and "Never Say Never" is 5x platinum. NOT EVEN THE SAME LEAGUE.
...and as for rivalry, Blu Cantrell has been talking crap about Beyonce for years. They're in the same league too I guess.
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Post by Bob on Sept 8, 2004 18:39:41 GMT -5
it's just Brandy hands down, I did all that analysis I don't know why people are still arguing it. The only criteria in which Aaliyah wins is direct comparisons post-Never Say Never.
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Post by allow that on Sept 8, 2004 18:42:33 GMT -5
. "The Boys Is Mine" is the biggest hit by either artist. "Try Again" and "Are You That Somebody?" were both bigger than Brandy's second biggest hit, "Have You Ever?" So tell me, which other hits of Brandy eclipsed Aaliyah's? Was it "I Wanna Be Down"? Nope, "Back & Forth" was just as big. "Baby"? Nope, "One In A Million" was bigger than that, just never released commercially while "Baby" peaked at #4 on the Hot 100 backed by the popular remix of "IWBD." So, was it "Amost Doesn't Count"? "Best Friend"? " ...and as for rivalry, Blu Cantrell has been talking crap about Beyonce for years. They're in the same league too I guess. Oh, so now Aaliyah is in the same league as a 1 hit wonder? Are we talking about the same person? ???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2004 18:43:43 GMT -5
umm what planet were you on that "Are You That Somebody" was bigger than "Have You Ever"? "Have You Ever" was bigger than any of Aaliyah's hits.
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Post by allow that on Sept 8, 2004 18:45:20 GMT -5
umm what planet were you on that "Are You That Somebody" was bigger than "Have You Ever"? "Have You Ever" was bigger than any of Aaliyah's hits. How do you figure? Maybe you just liked it more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2004 18:47:02 GMT -5
Because "Have You Ever" was a bigger airplay hit and did better on the Hot 100.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2004 18:48:26 GMT -5
...and this, "Well Aaliyah's CD single didn't have that hot remix."
"Adult Contemporary radio didn't like Aaliyah that much."
That's a bunch of crap. So if that's the case, Brandy is smarter than Aaliyah too.
That's like saying "Mary J. Blige is really bigger than Madonna. She just doesn't cater to the same audience."
Ummm so Brandy caters to more audiences and therefore is more successful overall. The album sales and hits prove it.
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Post by allow that on Sept 8, 2004 18:48:39 GMT -5
Because "Have You Ever" was a bigger airplay hit and did better on the Hot 100. Well obviously it would've done better on the Hot 10. "AYTS?" was ineligable to chart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2004 18:51:14 GMT -5
Well obviously it would've done better on the Hot 10. "AYTS?" was ineligable to chart. What about "Try Again"? I proved you wrong on that one but you fail to acknowledge that. And for your information, if you don't want to judge by sales, "Are You That Somebody" peaked at #4 Billboard Hot 100 Airplay and "Have You Ever" spent 9 weeks at #1 on that chart. Yeah those are really close.
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Post by allow that on Sept 8, 2004 19:04:44 GMT -5
What about "Try Again"? I proved you wrong on that one but you fail to acknowledge that. Proved me wrong? I only failed to acknowledge that one because it was so obvious that I was right. "Try Again" was the first ever song to hit the Hot 100 #1 on airplay alone. It was a huge hit, sorry.
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Post by Bob on Sept 8, 2004 19:19:07 GMT -5
Proved me wrong? I only failed to acknowledge that one because it was so obvious that I was right. "Try Again" was the first ever song to hit the Hot 100 #1 on airplay alone. It was a huge hit, sorry. it was only the first song to hit #1 w/ airplay b/c it came at the right time. if it had been released a few weeks later, it would have been the second song, you know? it was a big hit yeah, i mean it hit #1. but ALL the other songs brandy and monica sent to #1 hit #1 in airplay, too, PLUS sales. and they all had longer stays than "try again"! this is the rankings for the Hot 100 #1s: 1 The Boy Is Mine - Brandy/Monica 2 The First Night - Monica 3 Angel of Mine - Monica 4 Have You Ever? - Brandy 5 Miss You - Aaliyah 6 Try Again - Aaliyah See, Aaliyah really does come last. She also loses out if you rank the R&B #1s. She also loses if you rank Hot 100 top 10s. She does do better if you rank R&B top 10s, but only because of the string of 5 hits she had post-mortum. Monica pretty much beats here there now too thanks to "After the Storm", and will continue to beat here. Keep in mind that Brandy has released a lot more singles too-- even though she had a lot if smallish hits or songs that really didn't do too well, even being able to release singles adds to your status. And Brandy's first three albums sold the most.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 8, 2004 19:24:53 GMT -5
Can we please get sales figures for all of their albums and singles (and dates released, if possible) as well as RADIO AND RECORDS chart histories?
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Sept 8, 2004 19:32:57 GMT -5
Also the argument about Aaliyah's hits being on soundtracks can be applied to Brandy as well. Her third biggest hit, behind TBIM and HYE, was "Sittin' Up In My Room" which was from a soundtrack.
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Post by allow that on Sept 8, 2004 19:44:51 GMT -5
it was only the first song to hit #1 w/ airplay b/c it came at the right time. if it had been released a few weeks later, it would have been the second song, you know? it was a big hit yeah, i mean it hit #1. but ALL the other songs brandy and monica sent to #1 hit #1 in airplay, too, PLUS sales. and they all had longer stays than "try again"! You keep using the Hot 100 as a the tell-all for singles success. You can't, because many of Aaliyah singles weren't released. And I'm getting really tired of saying this over and over, so I won't again, have a field day using that data to your advantage. But saying Aaliyah was in a lower league than the other 2 is absolutely insane. She had just as much influence (if not more), had just as much hype, just as much name-recognition in the music world, the only thing she didn't have was Brandy's sales.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2004 19:58:32 GMT -5
You keep using the Hot 100 as a the tell-all for singles success. You can't, because many of Aaliyah singles weren't released. And I'm getting really tired of saying this over and over, so I won't again, have a field day using that data to your advantage. Ummm I even gave you airplay data to be fair and you're still denying that "Have You Ever" was a bigger hit despite the fact that it spent NINE WEEKS AT #1!
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Post by Edf85 on Sept 8, 2004 20:00:46 GMT -5
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Post by Bob on Sept 8, 2004 20:01:36 GMT -5
You keep using the Hot 100 as a the tell-all for singles success. You can't, because many of Aaliyah singles weren't released. And I'm getting really tired of saying this over and over, so I won't again, have a field day using that data to your advantage. But saying Aaliyah was in a lower league than the other 2 is absolutely insane. She had just as much influence (if not more), had just as much hype, just as much name-recognition in the music world, the only thing she didn't have was Brandy's sales. Hot 100 is the best b/c it's not genre specific. You act like the fact that a million people bought Brandy's singles and not Aaliyah's singles has no significance. AALIYAH DID NOT HAVE AS MUCH HYPE, INFLUENCE, AND ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY NOT AS MUCH NAME RECOGNITION AS BRANDY...... ALBUM sales: Brandy: 4x platinum, 5x, 1x, not yet gold = "10 million certified" Aaliyah: 2x platinum (1x pre mortum), 2x, 2x, 1x = "7 million certified" (Monica: 3x platinu, 3x, gold) = "6.5 million ceritifed" SINGLE sales: Brandy: gold, 1x platinum, gold, 1x, 2x = "5 million certified" Aaliyah: gold, gold, gold = "1.5 million certified" (Monica: 1x platinum, 1x, gold, 1x, 2x, 1x, 1x = "7.5 million certified" Keep in mind that Monica's had only 3 albums to Aaliyah and Brandy's FIVE. Making her single's record, both chart-wise and sales-wise, most impressive. But this is just more evidence of Aaliyah not being as big.
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