American Top 40 - August 7, 2004

[Cerebro]

AMERICAN TOP 40 - AUGUST 7, 2004
LW  TW  Artist - Title
Last Week's Number One:  JoJo - Leave (Get Out)
--  40  Lloyd Banks - On Fire
35  39  Twista - Overnight Celebrity
38  38  Beenie Man featuring Ms. Thing - Dude
34  37  Nickelback - Someday
40  36  Ryan Cabrera - On The Way Down
39  35  Houston featuring Chingy, Nate Dogg, and I-20 - I Like That
30  34  Jessica Simpson - With You
31  33  Trapt - Echo
32  32  Evanescence - My Immortal
--  31  Nelly featuring Jaheim - My Place
Rewind (1996):  BLACKstreet featuring Dr. Dre - No Diggity
33  30  Finger Eleven - One Thing
29  29  Nickelback - Feelin' Way Too Damn Good
27  28  Avril Lavigne - Don't Tell Me
25  27  J-Kwon - Tipsy
26  26  Jessica Simpson - Angels
Correspondent:  E.O.B. (104.5 WSNX, Grand Rapids, MI)
28  25  Black Eyed Peas - Let's Get It Started
22  24  Black Eyed Peas - Hey Mama
11  23  OutKast - Roses
Double-Play:  OutKast - Ms. Jackson
18  22  Petey deleted - Freek-A-Leek
14  21  Beyonce' featuring Lil' Flip - Naughty Girl
Movie Extra:  Britney Spears - Outrageous (from Catwoman)
23  20  Maroon5 - She Will Be Loved
15  19  Mario Winans featuring Enya and P. Diddy - I Don't Wanna Know
17  18  Maroon5 - This Love
24  17  Juvenile featuring Soulja Slim - Slow Motion
16  16  Yellowcard - Ocean Avenue
13  15  Mis-Teeq - Scandalous
19  14  Los Lonely Boys - Heaven
21  13  D12 - How Come
20  12  Alicia Keys - If I Ain't Got You
12  11  Usher f eaturing Lil' Jon and Ludacris - Yeah!
09  10  Nina Sky featuring Jabba - Move Ya Body
10  09  Usher - Confessions Part II
08  08  Ashlee Simpson - Pieces Of Me
Out Of The Box:  Lil' Flip featuring Lea - Sunshine
07  07  Kevin Lyttle featuring Spragga Benz - Turn Me On
06  06  Switchfoot - Meant To Live
04  05  Usher - Burn
03  04  Britney Spears - Everytime
02  03  Hoobastank - The Reason
05  02  Christina Milian featuring Fabolous - Dip It Low
01  01  JoJo - Leave (Get Out)  ** 3 weeks @ no. 1 **

DROPPERS:
Britney Spears - Toxic (from 37)
OutKast featuring Sleepy Brown - The Way You Move (from 36)

NOTES/COMMENTARY:
[/li][li]  In addition to opening the show playing last week's number one, he also recapped last week's top three.  I think this is new.
[/li][li]  Okay, he really doesn't like Avril.  Two debuts this week, and he said one was by Nelly.
[/li][li]  "Someday" is 44 weeks old this week, giving it the second longest AT40 chart run of all time ("Here Without You" had 50).
[/li][li]  Tying into #29, the last "Damn" song to chart was Sophie B. Hawkins' "Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover" (a snippet was also played).

[mst3k]

Cerebro said:

[/li][li]  Okay, he really doesn't like Avril.  Two debuts this week, and he said one was by Nelly.[/quote]

WTF.

Are they gonna end up having Avril debut inside the top ten in a few weeks?

[Edf85]

Nice Rewind! Can't wait to hear Hilary & Haylie co-host next week.

[Hervard]

Re: Avril Lavigne: This is getting ridiculous. Never before has a song in the Top 20 on the corresponding R&R chart (which would be 7/30 this week, on which Avril moves 23-17) not made AT40 yet. This has to be either a computer glitch or a conspiracy.
On the August 6 chart, the song moves 17-12. It better debut on AT40 next week or else I'm going to e-mail them and ask what the heck is going on.

[Edf85]

ulij20 said:

It better debut on AT40 next week or else I'm going to e-mail them and ask what the heck is going on.

20 bucks you won't get an answer... ever.

[Libra]

Quickie said:

20 bucks you won't get an answer... ever.

Another 20 says he's giving MHE the Rick Dees treatment and it'll be kept off permanently.

[Cerebro]

Quickie said:

20 bucks you won't get an answer... ever.

No kidding.

I was tempted to email them myself, but I figure it would probably be a futile effort.

[Matt4319]

Maybe we can ask Torin.

[mst3k]

MikeK102 said:

Another 20 says he's giving MHE the Rick Dees treatment and it'll be kept off permanently.

And if that happens, AT40 will have lost whatever shred of credibility it still had following Casey's departure in January.

[Edf85]

Long live "My Happy Ending" and "He Wasn't Man Enough"! :'(

[Hervard]

At least "He Wasn't Man Enough" made the weekly charts. I think there was some sort of a glitch in the weird chart AT40 was using back in late 2000 that caused that song, along with several others (I forget which ones at the moment) to be omitted from the chart. They should have had someone to proofread the charts.
Yeah, this reminds me of how Rick refused to play "Ms. Jackson" even though it made the Top 20 of R&R. "My Happy Ending" is becoming the "Ms. Jackson" of the AT40 chart!

[irice22]

We should get a bunch of people to e-mail AT40, it's so ridiculous!

[Lohanfan]

Maybe they got pissed off that her record company forced them to put "Don't Tell Me" at No. 10 that one week when it actually peaked at No. 11

[j]

Lohanfan said:

Maybe they got pissed off that her record company forced them to put "Don't Tell Me" at No. 10 that one week when it actually peaked at No. 11

That makes no sense and is factually wrong.

Anyway, I wanted to sum up MHE's spins on AT40 affiliates and comapre them to the #40 AT40 song Lloyd Banks' On Fire, but then I realized that there 172 stations carrying AT40 so I couldn't possibly check all.

Here's what I did (copied and pasted from Excel) for the Top 20 leaders for both songs.

MHE OF
KACZ-FM
KAZX-FM
KBFM-FM
KCRS-FM
KDSJ-AM
KDUK-FM
KDWB-FM
KDWD-FM
KFMD-FM
KFRX-FM
KFYN-AM
KFYZ-FM
KHFI-FM 56
KHKS-FM
KHTS-FM
KIFS-FM
KIIS-FM
KIIS-FM
KISR-FM
KISX-FM
KIYS-FM
KJDY-AM
KJDY-FM
KJYO-FM
KKDM-FM
KKRD-FM
KKRZ-FM
KKXL-FM
KLTC-FM
KLYV-FM
KMCK-FM
KMXV-FM
KMXV-FM
KNDE-FM
KNEV-FM
KNOE-FM
KNOE-FM
KNOM-FM
KQID-FM
KQIZ-FM
KQKQ-FM
KQTZ-FM
KQXY-FM
KRDO-FM
KRQQ-FM
KSAS-FM 53
KSLZ-FM 52 48
KSMA-FM
KSMB-FM 57
KSNN-FM
KWLF-FM
KWOA-FM
KWTX-FM
KXXM-FM 89
KYYY-FM
KZGZ-FM
KZHT-FM 65
KZIA-FM
WABB-FM
WABB-FM
WAEB-FM
WAEV-FM
WAIV-FM
WAKQ-FM
WAKS-FM 52 29
WAKZ-FM 44
WAOA-FM
WAPE-FM
WAYV-FM
WAZR-FM
WAZY-FM
WBHD-FM
WBHT-FM
WBIZ-FM
WBKS-FM
WBWB-FM
WBZN-FM
WCGQ-FM
WCIL-FM
WCIL-FM
WDAY-FM
WDKF-FM 65
WDKS-FM
WEOW-FM
WERO-FM
WFLY-FM 31
WFLZ-FM
WFTN-AM
WFXY-AM
WGIC-FM
WGLU-FM
WHCY-FM
WHHY-FM
WHTF-FM
WHTS-FM
WHTZ-FM 56
WHYI-FM
WIHT-FM
WIOQ-FM
WJBQ-FM
WJJS-FM 74
WJJX-FM
WJMX-FM
WKBI-FM
WKFR-FM
WKFS-FM
WKHQ-FM
WKHQ-FM
WKIB-FM
WKIB-FM
WKQI-FM 41
WKSC-FM
WKSS-FM 69
WKST-FM
WKXJ-FM
WLAN-FM
WLRW-FM
WMGB-FM
WMLX-FM
WNCI-FM
WNKI-FM
WNOK-FM
WNOU-FM 41
WNTQ-FM
WPRO-FM
WPRO-FM
WPXY-FM
WQEN-FM
WQMA-AM
WREZ-FM
WREZ-FM
WRTS-FM
WRVB-FM
WRVQ-FM
WRVW-FM
WSEA-FM
WSNX-FM 41
WSOY-FM
WSTG-FM
WSTR-FM
WTCF-FM
WTNS-FM
WUPM-FM
WUPM-FM
WVAQ-FM
WVKF-FM
WVKF-FM
WVKS-FM
WVRT-FM
WWKF-FM
WWKF-FM
WWST-FM
WWXM-FM
WWYL-FM
WXKB-FM
WXKS-FM
WXSS-FM
WXVA-FM
WXXL-FM
WXXX-FM 53
WYDL-FM
WYSI-FM
WYSX-FM
WYVK-FM
WZBQ-FM
WZKF-FM
WZNY-FM
WZOK-FM
WZPR-FM
WZRT-FM
WZRT-FM
WZYP-FM
602 414

MHE has 1.5 times the number of spins as OF, but we can't assume this holds for the other 160 or so stations.

Out of MHE's 20 leaders, only 10 carry AT40. Out of OF's 20 leaders, only 9 carry At40.

Conclusion: Sorry, can't come to any sort of concrete conclusion due to lack of time & data.

[wftn]

Please don't think that the affiliate list is up to date. They have my station listed as WFTN-AM when it is FM and listed in Boston, MA, when we are in Franklin/Concord, NH. We are playing MHE around 50 times a week and On Fire about 10.

[lacrosseboy]

There really are a few things which are keeping it off. Firstly are the recurrent songs. Secondly, while MANY of AT40's affiliates are playing it, other stations have not been spinning it quite enough to give it the oomph that it needs.

I've read in some of the threads things like "looks like the AT40 staff has finally done some research." The entire show is research! And the fact is, they are understaffed. Premiere is very stingy. So far they haven't even offered any of AT40's staff positions on the new AT40 awards show next year. And chances are they won't either.

I will say that the show is very susceptable to anyone from uppermanagement. For example: notice how the credits are now missing? Some bigwig in Dallas wanted the credits gone. So they only basically give credit to Casey Kasem and Don Bustany. The staff doesn't like it, but there's nothing that can be done about it.

I can tell you that your chances of actually having your emails s that you send to [e-mail] read and passed on to someone who can address your grievances are not very likely--unless it's a fanmail to Ryan. But even then it's quite a picky-choosy type deal.

[chebingeo]

# of spins for Avril on Y100: 38
# of spins for Lloyd on Y100: 2

[hamjerzee]

Torin said:

There really are a few things which are keeping it off.  Firstly are the recurrent songs.  Secondly, while MANY of AT40's affiliates are playing it, other stations have not been spinning it quite enough to give it the oomph that it needs.

I've read in some of the threads things like "looks like the AT40 staff has finally done some research."  The entire show is research!  And the fact is, they are understaffed.  Premiere is very stingy.  So far they haven't even offered any of AT40's staff positions on the new AT40 awards show next year.  And chances are they won't either.

I will say that the show is very susceptable to anyone from uppermanagement.  For example: notice how the credits are now missing?  Some bigwig in Dallas wanted the credits gone.  So they only basically give credit to Casey Kasem and Don Bustany.  The staff doesn't like it, but there's nothing that can be done about it.

I can tell you that your chances of actually having your emails s that you send to [e-mail] read and passed on to someone who can address your grievances are not very likely--unless it's a fanmail to Ryan.  But even then it's quite a picky-choosy type deal.

That's a lot of very intelligent, interesting information. I actually didn't know 90% of that stuff, and I'm glad you shed some light on some of the issues.

[Edf85]

# of spins for Avril on KIIS: 35
# of spins for Houston KIIS: 56

[j]

Torin said:

There really are a few things which are keeping it off. Firstly are the recurrent songs.

On one hand, that doesn't seem like a valid reason because the recurrent songs certainly aren't keeping Lloyd Banks off the chart now are they?

But considering it further, I realize that there might be something to that. Most of the recurrents on the chart are likely to be the Hot AC-type songs that stay on forever. Assuming each station has an "ideal breakdown" of song genres they would like to play (e.g. the Rhythmic leaning ones play 70:30 Rhythmic:Hot AC and the Hot-AC leaners play 60:40 Hot AC: Rhythmic) then if their Hot AC quotas are filled by playing "Someday," "My Immortal" and "Don't Tell Me" for the thousandth time, they wouldn't be playing "My Happy Ending".

Actually, what am I saying?! If that's true, then MHE wouldn't be in the R&R Top 10 now would it?! Never mind.

[mst3k]

^ Yeah, I can understand "MHE" being somewhat lower on AT40 than on R&R, but for a solid top 20 hit nationally (which pretty much deflates the recurrents argument at this point) to not even be in the top 40 among AT40's affiliate stations makes no freakin' sense.  There may be a slight rhythmic bias, but not that much (other Hot AC leaning songs have been charting just fine by comparison).

FYI, on WFLZ: Avril, 34 spins (flat from last week); Lloyd Banks, 16 spins (13 last week).

[Matt4319]

AT40 affiliate WABB:

My Happy Ending - 45 spins (+1)
On Fire - 23 spins (+7)

[Edf85]

AT40 Affiliate.. KHTS:

My Happy Ending: 48 (+10)
On Fire: 22 (-4)

[jond7699]

It's absurd that MHE hasn't gotten on AT40 yet. My guess is that they probably will leave it off all togehter if it is not on next week

[chebingeo]

I wonder if Hilary will let Avril debut...

[lacrosseboy]

The host doesn't choose to "let" anyone on or kick anyone off. Ryan, Casey, and Rick are all scripted. They ad-lib but they do not tremendously differ than what is given to them to read.

[irice22]

They better not leave Avril off the countdown! I will flood them with e-mails! >:(

[Cerebro]

The theory that "AT40 affiliates aren't playing 'My Happy Ending' enough for it to chart" isn't holding water for me.  Out of curiosity to prove this, I took a look at the spins for "My Happy Ending" versus "On Fire" (from this morning's update) for the AT40 affiliates in the top 50 markets.  Here be the findings ("or less" would, obviously, designate that the song isn't in the station's top 30):

WHTZ  -  "My Happy Ending" (55); "On Fire" (18 or less)
KIIS    -  "My Happy Ending" (35); "On Fire" (13 or less)
WKSC  -  "My Happy Ending" (36); "On Fire" (14 or less)
KHKS  -  "My Happy Ending" (14 or less); "On Fire" (16)
WIOQ  -  "My Happy Ending" (10 or less); "On Fire" (30)
WIHT  -  "My Happy Ending" (33); "On Fire (25 or less)
WXKS  -  "My Happy Ending" (48); "On Fire" (17 or less)
WKQI  -  "My Happy Ending" (13 or less); "On Fire" (40)
WSTR  -  "My Happy Ending" (45); "On Fire" (18 or less)
WHYI  -  "My Happy Ending" (38); "On Fire" (22 or less)
KDWB  -  "My Happy Ending" (19); "On Fire" (19 or less)
KHTS  -  "My Happy Ending" (45); "On Fire" (23)
KSLZ  -  "My Happy Ending" (51); "On Fire" (49)
WFLZ  -  "My Happy Ending" (35); "On Fire" (16)
KFMD  -  "My Happy Ending" (41); "On Fire" (29)
WKST  -  "My Happy Ending" (12 or less); "On Fire" (19)
KKRZ  -  "My Happy Ending" (54); "On Fire" (15 or less)
WAKS  -  "My Happy Ending" (51); "On Fire" (27)
WKFS  -  "My Happy Ending" (25 or less); "On Fire" (41)
KMXV  -  "My Happy Ending" (39); "On Fire" (20 or less)
KXXM  -  "My Happy Ending" (89); "On Fire" (23 or less)
KZHT  -  "My Happy Ending" (66); "On Fire" (20 or less)
WXSS  -  "My Happy Ending" (16 or less); "On Fire" (20)
WPRO  -  "My Happy Ending" (26); "On Fire" (15 or less)
WNCI  -  "My Happy Ending" (44); "On Fire" (20 or less)
WXXL  -  "My Happy Ending" (44); "On Fire" (18 or less)
WNOU  -  "My Happy Ending" (39); "On Fire" (44)
KHFI    -  "My Happy Ending" (60); "On Fire" (18 or less)
WRVW  -  "My Happy Ending" (42); "On Fire" (27 or less)
WKSS  -  "My Happy Ending" (69); "On Fire" (16 or less)
WAPE  -  "My Happy Ending" (47); "On Fire" (19 or less)

Totals (assuming maximum spins in the "or less" cases)  -  "My Happy Ending" (1241); "On Fire" (711)

If your bulls--t alarm isn't going off yet, it should be.

For the record, the #40 song on the recurrentless Mediabase chart equivalent to this week's AT40 (7/30) has about 1400 spins.  Since there are many more than the top 50 markets that air AT40 (and since Lloyd Banks made the "cut-off"), Avril should be, very comfortably, above 1400 spins.

If MHE isn't on the chart in the next week (as if it shouldn't already be), then, clearly, someone screwed up big time.

[chebingeo]

Cerebro said:

WHYI  -  "My Happy Ending" (38); "On Fire" (2)
WPRO  -  "My Happy Ending" (26); "On Fire" (2)
WXXL  -  "My Happy Ending" (44); "On Fire" (2)

Those 3 stations have it at 2, so that can shrink Lloyd's estimated total.

[j]

Cerebro said:

The theory that "AT40 affiliates aren't playing 'My Happy Ending' enough for it to chart" isn't holding water for me.

It was for me, up till a week ago.

It's inconceivable that they have anything against Avril tho, so it must be a mistake. But what can we do other than email [e-mail] which is probably futile anyway?