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Lol she has the #1 show on daytime and is renewed through 2017. Stap. That doesn't really account for the quality of the program though? #QuestionsExisting
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Post by think pink. on Nov 18, 2014 0:09:06 GMT -5
Lol she has the #1 show on daytime and is renewed through 2017. Stap. That doesn't really account for the quality of the program though? #QuestionsExisting Wendy makes no bones about her show being gossipy and ratchet, it's why we watch.
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Post by Ginger Spice on Nov 18, 2014 0:14:19 GMT -5
I just read an interview with the girl who plays her, saying that her favorite Aaliyah song is "Try Again, because One In A Million is my favorite Aaliyah album." :( :(
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I just read an interview with the girl who plays her, saying that her favorite Aaliyah song is "Try Again, because One In A Million is my favorite Aaliyah album." :( :( It killed me that she doesn't know the albums even a little bit. It's like, SHE IS PLAYING HER IN A MOVIE! DO SOME RESEARCH FIRST!
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 18, 2014 1:16:58 GMT -5
The movie was hilariously bad. I was entertained. And I'm glad it exists, for the social media response and the memes ALONE. I was in tears of laughter all night.
Lifetime has never made a good movie about ANYONE or ANYTHING. I still don't understand why people are acting shocked or mad. Even if the family was involved, even if Missy and Tim played them damn selves, even if they got the rights to her music... guess what, it still would have sucked. And I still love Wendy William's messy ass, doesn't bother me one bit that she produced this steaming pile. Nothing she did made it turn out any worse than it would have anyway.
And you know what, Aaliyah's legacy is still intact. This movie didn't tarnish it one bit, because people know better than to take this stupid movie seriously. And like every other Lifetime movie, no one will remember it next week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 2:13:29 GMT -5
I agree that this will not tarnish her legacy but it kind of grosses me out that Wendy is so cavalier about the criticism considering it was coming from her closest friends and her own living family, who did literally everything they could to stop her name from being associated with this movie. To me, that's different from other Lifetime atrocities because in this case, the family was vehemently and consistently saying "No...we don't want this. Stop this. Stop this please." For Wendy to shake it off like it was just a bunch of grumbling fans is childish and insensitive to me.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 18, 2014 2:31:18 GMT -5
I look at it this way... there have been hundreds of terrible television biopics made. And the vast majority of them didn't look for consent, were based on works written by people not associated with the artists, took vast liberties with their lives, etc. Some were even made against the artist's wishes while they were still ALIVE. And quite frankly, some of these people were far more famous and had a far greater impact on the entertainment industry than Aaliyah did. So she's fair game as far as I'm concerned. That's just the nature of the business.
So I can't bring myself to get offended about any of this. Would it have been nice for everyone to come together and get this made? Of course, but with her messy ass estate, it was never going to happen.
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Post by Ginger Spice on Nov 18, 2014 10:42:46 GMT -5
I wish they would have picked her other albums before that one, but still, that's a pleasant surprise!
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Post by allow that on Nov 18, 2014 10:47:40 GMT -5
And quite frankly, some of these people were far more famous and had a far greater impact on the entertainment industry than Aaliyah did. I mean she's only the muse for pretty much every current, upcoming female R&B singer at the moment. Her influence, 13+ years past her death, seems to only be strengthening. No big deal, right? But in terms of tabloid celebrity, sure, the in's and out's of her personal life were never public knowledge on a Britney, Whitney, Madonna, or even Brandy level. That's partially because when Aaliyah was 15, she learnt the hard way that the media is cruel, so she made valiant efforts to guard her privacy from then on. At the same time, Aaliyah actively sought to repair her public image from the R. Kelly scandal that she fell into when she was only a child. If I so say myself, she accomplished this quite successfully. By the late 90's, her 1994 drama was hardly at the front of anyone's mind when Aaliyah's name came up. She was more closely associated with her new musical collaborators, her movie deals, and her presence in fashion (not to mention her down to earth, girl next door interviewing style). So in essence, it's quite crass to make a film "about Aaliyah" that seems to be more about that ONE chapter. Who is Wendy to drag the R. Kelly skeleton out of the closet? Aaliyah dedicated her later years erasing her association from that time, and now she's no longer here to do her own damage control. Incredibly tacky low blow.
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Post by CookyMonzta on Nov 18, 2014 11:22:01 GMT -5
Lol she has the #1 show on daytime and is renewed through 2017. Stap. I thought Dr. Phil was number 1. And from what I gather, she's got Live with Kelly and Michael, Ellen DeGeneres and The View in front of her.
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Post by CookyMonzta on Nov 18, 2014 11:26:39 GMT -5
And quite frankly, some of these people were far more famous and had a far greater impact on the entertainment industry than Aaliyah did. I mean she's only the muse for pretty much every current, upcoming female R&B singer at the moment. Her influence, 13+ years past her death, seems to only be strengthening. No big deal, right? But in terms of tabloid celebrity, sure, the in's and out's of her personal life were never public knowledge on a Britney, Whitney, Madonna, or even Brandy level. That's partially because when Aaliyah was 15, she learnt the hard way that the media is cruel, so she made valiant efforts to guard her privacy from then on. At the same time, Aaliyah actively sought to repair her public image from the R. Kelly scandal that she fell into when she was only a child. If I so say myself, she accomplished this quite successfully. By the late 90's, her 1994 drama was hardly at the front of anyone's mind when Aaliyah's name came up. She was more closely associated with her new musical collaborators, her movie deals, and her presence in fashion (not to mention her down to earth, girl next door interviewing style). So in essence, it's quite crass to make a film "about Aaliyah" that seems to be more about that ONE chapter. Who is Wendy to drag the R. Kelly skeleton out of the closet? Aaliyah dedicated her later years erasing her association from that time, and now she's no longer here to do her own damage control. Incredibly tacky low blow. Wendy still has issues with R. And with him perhaps fading from the spotlight (with the possible exception of one last Trapped In The Closet chapter, quite probably next year for its 10th anniversary), she wanted to take one last pot-shot at him before it all became completely irrelevant and completely petty on her part. [Not that this matters, but R. went off the rails in the previous chapter of his story.]
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 18, 2014 13:06:58 GMT -5
And quite frankly, some of these people were far more famous and had a far greater impact on the entertainment industry than Aaliyah did. I mean she's only the muse for pretty much every current, upcoming female R&B singer at the moment. Her influence, 13+ years past her death, seems to only be strengthening. No big deal, right? But in terms of tabloid celebrity, sure, the in's and out's of her personal life were never public knowledge on a Britney, Whitney, Madonna, or even Brandy level. That's partially because when Aaliyah was 15, she learnt the hard way that the media is cruel, so she made valiant efforts to guard her privacy from then on. At the same time, Aaliyah actively sought to repair her public image from the R. Kelly scandal that she fell into when she was only a child. If I so say myself, she accomplished this quite successfully. By the late 90's, her 1994 drama was hardly at the front of anyone's mind when Aaliyah's name came up. She was more closely associated with her new musical collaborators, her movie deals, and her presence in fashion (not to mention her down to earth, girl next door interviewing style). So in essence, it's quite crass to make a film "about Aaliyah" that seems to be more about that ONE chapter. Who is Wendy to drag the R. Kelly skeleton out of the closet? Aaliyah dedicated her later years erasing her association from that time, and now she's no longer here to do her own damage control. Incredibly tacky low blow. I love Aaliyah, but she's not Elizabeth Taylor, Marilyn Monroe, Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Madonna, etc. These are the kinds of people I was talking about, who have all had terrible television bios made about them. Some of them were made against their wishes while they were still alive. Again, it's all fair game, Aaliyah's no more sacred than any of these people, so I don't understand why she should get some kind of special treatment in this field. And I love Aaliyah the artist, but Aaliyah as a celebrity and a person, was kind of boring. The only two moments in her life that truly raised attention (outside of her musical career of course) were her marriage to R. Kelly and her death. To think a film could be made about her life and not bring up these two events is pretty ridiculous IMO. Of course it was going to be addressed, whether Wendy Williams was involved or not, which is why I don't understand why everyone is trying to hold her personally responsible.
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Post by newpower on Nov 18, 2014 13:29:04 GMT -5
I wish they would have picked her other albums before that one, but still, that's a pleasant surprise! Yeah, One In A Million would have been even better. Maybe next year...
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Post by Active Aggressive on Nov 18, 2014 13:37:43 GMT -5
And quite frankly, some of these people were far more famous and had a far greater impact on the entertainment industry than Aaliyah did. I mean she's only the muse for pretty much every current, upcoming female R&B singer at the moment. Her influence, 13+ years past her death, seems to only be strengthening. No big deal, right? But in terms of tabloid celebrity, sure, the in's and out's of her personal life were never public knowledge on a Britney, Whitney, Madonna, or even Brandy level. That's partially because when Aaliyah was 15, she learnt the hard way that the media is cruel, so she made valiant efforts to guard her privacy from then on. At the same time, Aaliyah actively sought to repair her public image from the R. Kelly scandal that she fell into when she was only a child. If I so say myself, she accomplished this quite successfully. By the late 90's, her 1994 drama was hardly at the front of anyone's mind when Aaliyah's name came up. She was more closely associated with her new musical collaborators, her movie deals, and her presence in fashion (not to mention her down to earth, girl next door interviewing style). So in essence, it's quite crass to make a film "about Aaliyah" that seems to be more about that ONE chapter. Who is Wendy to drag the R. Kelly skeleton out of the closet? Aaliyah dedicated her later years erasing her association from that time, and now she's no longer here to do her own damage control. Incredibly tacky low blow. Ding ding ding. Every word of this post was perfect. I love how this has turned into a discussion of how popular Wendy Williams' show is, as if that has ANYTHING to do with her sleazy, irresponsible excuse for a biopic. The fact that she is still willing to stand by this piece of shit appalls me even more, along with that miserable excuse for an actress retweeting her "fan" comments that are all "well, at least you look hot!" This whole thing is a mess and anyone with a modicum of class should distance him/herself from it immediately but...well...
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Post by George on Nov 18, 2014 13:48:15 GMT -5
Ooh wow, thanks! I didn't even know there was gonna be a Black Friday thing with that organization!
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Post by darko95 on Nov 18, 2014 15:28:25 GMT -5
I think Wendy did an alright job with the project. It could have been a lot worse. The viewers clearly watched it.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Nov 18, 2014 15:36:39 GMT -5
Millions of people also watch Here Comes Honey Booboo, so... I'm actually ashamed of myself, as a big fan, for sitting through this mess. That said, I don't know any REAL fans who can say they enjoyed it so at least there's that.
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Post by allow that on Nov 18, 2014 16:15:48 GMT -5
Aaliyah as a celebrity and a person, was kind of boring. The only two moments in her life that truly raised attention (outside of her musical career of course) were her marriage to R. Kelly and her death. Wow. Try showing some tact?
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 18, 2014 16:29:30 GMT -5
Aaliyah as a celebrity and a person, was kind of boring. The only two moments in her life that truly raised attention (outside of her musical career of course) were her marriage to R. Kelly and her death. Wow. Try showing some tact? Oh I'm sorry... her marriage to R. Kelly and her transcendence to another realm of existence? What the hell am I supposed to say? She's been dead for over a decade now, I think it's okay to talk about. But when it comes to the story of her life and her celebrity, it's the truth. She didn't have a particularly dramatic life that lends itself to a fascinating bio. So of course it would address her relationship with R. Kelly. Not only because he played a huge part in her beginnings as an artist, but their relationship was clearly one of the more intriguing parts of her story. I love Aaliyah, was a fan from the minute her first single dropped. But she's not some sacred cow that can't be approached the same way any other celebrity is. People are acting way too sensitive IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 17:30:54 GMT -5
I understand where you're coming from with regards to much bigger stars with much fuller lives such as Elizabeth Taylor, MJ and Marilyn Monroe all having biopics come out that were complete disasters but IIRC, none of their families or estates were as strongly opposed as Aaliyah's family was. I think the fact that they were much bigger stars almost cushions the fact that they got shitty TV movies made about them, just because their families/estates probably have/had a lot more to worry about than some cheap ass flick about their long and dramatic lives. But with Aaliyah, not that she is some sacred untouchable force that is better than a Lifetime movie, but the fact that every single person who she was closest to was actively fighting against the movie's creation says something to me. That's what makes it such a classless move to go ahead and do it, on Wendy and Lifetime's part, because it was clear that her family did NOT want her story to be told this way.
I also kind of disagree with the popular opinion that her life was too boring for a good biopic. Aaliyah's life was not splashed across the tabloids so I just don't think we know that much about her. I'm sure if Missy, Timbaland, her family, her closest friends, her label, etc. could all come to some agreement about telling a raw, honest look at her life there would be a lot more interesting moments than we'd think. I mean, she was partying with Lil' Kim, Foxy Brown and Junior Mafia when she was like 17 years old, there's probably a lot of stories we just don't know about. Now, part of me doubts that will ever happen because I just don't think her estate is willing to be as open and honest as you need to be to make a really good biopic without being cheesy or sugarcoating everything but I think that Aaliyah's life was definitely more interesting than just child bride + death.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 0:40:02 GMT -5
I mean she's only the muse for pretty much every current, upcoming female R&B singer at the moment. Her influence, 13+ years past her death, seems to only be strengthening. No big deal, right? But in terms of tabloid celebrity, sure, the in's and out's of her personal life were never public knowledge on a Britney, Whitney, Madonna, or even Brandy level. That's partially because when Aaliyah was 15, she learnt the hard way that the media is cruel, so she made valiant efforts to guard her privacy from then on. At the same time, Aaliyah actively sought to repair her public image from the R. Kelly scandal that she fell into when she was only a child. If I so say myself, she accomplished this quite successfully. By the late 90's, her 1994 drama was hardly at the front of anyone's mind when Aaliyah's name came up. She was more closely associated with her new musical collaborators, her movie deals, and her presence in fashion (not to mention her down to earth, girl next door interviewing style). So in essence, it's quite crass to make a film "about Aaliyah" that seems to be more about that ONE chapter. Who is Wendy to drag the R. Kelly skeleton out of the closet? Aaliyah dedicated her later years erasing her association from that time, and now she's no longer here to do her own damage control. Incredibly tacky low blow. I love Aaliyah, but she's not Elizabeth Taylor, Marilyn Monroe, Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Madonna, etc. These are the kinds of people I was talking about, who have all had terrible television bios made about them. Some of them were made against their wishes while they were still alive. Again, it's all fair game, Aaliyah's no more sacred than any of these people, so I don't understand why she should get some kind of special treatment in this field. And I love Aaliyah the artist, but Aaliyah as a celebrity and a person, was kind of boring. The only two moments in her life that truly raised attention (outside of her musical career of course) were her marriage to R. Kelly and her death. To think a film could be made about her life and not bring up these two events is pretty ridiculous IMO. Of course it was going to be addressed, whether Wendy Williams was involved or not, which is why I don't understand why everyone is trying to hold her personally responsible. Almost half the movie was based on R Kelly. What you and people as sleazy as Wendy do not understand is that if the parents and missy and timbo and those close to her approved of the movie we could have gotten things WE DIDNT ALREADY KNOW. i would have told a story about Aaliyah the person, intimate stories about her childhood, things close friends and family knew about. It could have been epic. Instead of telling us stuff we already knew. U have no idea if she was boring as a person because she kept herself private, maybe thats why her family wanted to keep her life private. To base the movie on one book alone is silly, but then again Wendy and her hot topics goes off mediatakeout.
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Post by syrus on Nov 19, 2014 1:05:09 GMT -5
It's a shame that most of her music is not available on iTunes.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 19, 2014 1:17:57 GMT -5
I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Because the vast majority of people don't want to see a movie about Aaliyah playing tiddlywinks with her cousins growing up. A movie with Aaliyah telling Missy "yo mama" jokes in the studio? Puhlease. People want drama, conflict, scandal, catharsis in their biopics. It's pretty much the basis of every biopic EVER made. Artists reaching peaks, facing adversity, highs and lows, coming out of the other end stronger or ending in tragedy. That's not sleazy, that's life. And to think that ANY film about Aaliyah's life wouldn't deal with the R. Kelly scandal is ridiculous. He helped launch her career in a major way, married her in a scandal that haunted both of their careers and more than likely had a huge affect on her and the way she carried herself going forward.
It doesn't matter if it was directed by Steven Spielberg or produced by a gossip monger like Wendy Williams. It needed to be addressed and it's a defining moment in her history. Aaliyah was in the business for less than 10 years, and most of those years were relatively benign. And seeing a movie about Aaliyah lounging around with her family being a nice person and going on dinner dates with Damon Dash isn't going to cut it.
As for her family? They have no intention of being frank and honest. They never have. And Missy, Timbo, her brother, etc. have been interviewed numerous times about her. All they ever say, is "oh, she was so nice, she was so funny, she lit up a room, she was a star..." All very lovely, but that is not the kind of material that makes a good biopic. I doubt any of them would have brought anything to the table outside of some cute stories that would have never been used anyway.
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Post by allow that on Nov 19, 2014 10:18:18 GMT -5
I think that Aaliyah's life was definitely more interesting than just child bride + death. Agreed. And not only that, but it sounds completely cold and classless to say the most interesting thing about a person- ANY person- is their death.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 19, 2014 12:01:30 GMT -5
Oh good Lord, how do people make it through life being so easily offended? Her death had a HUGE impact. Just as big of an impact as anything else in her career. The tragedy of it all, the controversy of how it happened, the worldwide news coverage. The fact that music videos were in the can and released afterwards. It damn near canonized her and made her a legend. Something she wasn't even close to being at that point in her career.
So yeah, her death is one of the most impactful, fascinating and interesting parts of her life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 13:33:46 GMT -5
Yes keep justifying your salacious appetite for tabloid drama by telling yourself you knew Aaliyah so well that her life is summed up by playing tiddlywinks with her cousins and telling yo mama jokes. Tiddlywinks might be what ling ling do but that is none of my business. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Because the vast majority of people don't want to see a movie about Aaliyah playing tiddlywinks with her cousins growing up. A movie with Aaliyah telling Missy "yo mama" jokes in the studio? Puhlease. People want drama, conflict, scandal, catharsis in their biopics. [/quote
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 13:37:46 GMT -5
Seems like everyone thinks the movie is a hot pile of garbage, but everyone's talking about her (and not in a bad way). It's not like this movie destroyed her legacy or anything, so I don't really think it's a big deal.
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