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Post by siggy on Jan 8, 2009 13:31:11 GMT -5
And Beyonce isn't Aaliyah. I'm not sure Beyonce could do "The One I Gave My Heart To" aswell as Aaliyah did.
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Post by ba19 on Jan 8, 2009 13:37:42 GMT -5
exactly...if you're beyonce, or if you're aaliyah, or mya...you will sound great with that you have for songs... but mya's not so great singing doesnt mean she doesnt sound great for case of the ex/my love is like whoa, or whatever right? Thats just my point, just because you call someone an average singer, like some of us have, doesn't necessarily mean its a bad thing. I'd take aaliyah over most artists anyday.
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Post by cjay on Jan 8, 2009 13:54:44 GMT -5
Well as crass as it might sound Aaliyah was never anything special. She had her fanbase but she probably would have pulled a Monica and Brandy if she was still here. Her final album was tanking before she was killed. Odds are she would have never reached the status of Beyonce, Britney, Alicia, etc. Not exactly true. Her self-titled album in 2001 debuted at number 2 and had already gone platinum before her death. If anything, given the praise she received from Romeo Must Die, she might have done less recording and more movie-making, had she lived, even after Queen of the Damned tanked at the box office. I don't think it reached platinum before she died. Or maybe it was certified because they shipped platinum. The first week it debuted at #2 with 186,000. The second week it slipped to #9 or #10 with 99,000. Two weeks later it was in the low 50's. HOWEVER, Blackground rushed out Rock The Boat the first of August and it immediately took off on Urban. Two weeks before her death the album rose back to the top 20. And then it went from from # 19 to # 1 the week after she died selling 309k beating out Mary J Blige's No More Drama which sold 294k it's first week. Despite what happened, I think that album would have done well. Urban was WAY more receptive to RTB than WNAR and the song was gaining good airplay on that format 3 weeks before her death. It was good to be a hit. Maybe not as high as it got, but it was on the top 10 track... Also, MTAW was a great song with a great video. I believe that song would have done well on it's own too. Of course we'll never know. I certainly don't pretend like she was the greatest thing ever, but at the same time I do not try to undermine her accomplishments or the momentum around her during the release of that album. She scored 3 high profile movies that were highly anticipated and her album received a lot of great reviews BEFORE she died. I also remember most reviews saying "this is the album Janet Jackson should have made." I think she was just starting to become a big star with all of that. PLEASE stop comparing Aaliyah to Britney, Brandy and Beyonce. I love them all (especially Brandy), but they are different artists with DISTINCT styles. The only thing Aaliyah had in common with Brandy and Beyonce was that she was black and they all did R&B music. But even muscially, their styles are so different and they didn't bite each other. Britney and Aaliyah have nothing in common not even musically. So the comparison's are pointless.
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Post by Sir Benji on Jan 8, 2009 14:20:17 GMT -5
IMO Aaliyah died right before she was on the verge of being a big star
i mean come on now the girl could act very well actually and Aaliyah was a helluva of dancer, at her performance arts high school her major was DANCE so to call her an average dancer is a bunch of crap imho i think she was actually underrated as a dancer and a singer for that matter.
i mean she helped start Timbaland & Missy's career's and about the Nelly Furtado thing just about half of the timbo tracks on "Loose" are Aaliyah-esqe and sound like they were written with her in mind, because that was the direction she was going in.
but we could argue about what could have been all day long but we'll never know because she's what? yes that's right deceased.
but anyway i wanna know when the last album of unreleased material will be released.
and when is the movie coming out?
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Post by Oprah on Jan 8, 2009 14:24:35 GMT -5
Aaliyah's death made her ridiculously overrated. She wasn't an impressive singer or dancer. I find it strange that people say no other female vocalist could handle her songs because her voice wasn't exactly unique or strong. She had high quality music, but that's all thanks to Tim & Missy. Any other pretty light skinned girl could have filled her role as a vehicle for their music. It's amazing what a tragic death will do to someone's legacy. People are so quick to say that any comment that isn't complete praise is disrespectful when people have no problem critic zing other artists.
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Post by cjay on Jan 8, 2009 15:01:30 GMT -5
Aaliyah's death made her ridiculously overrated. She wasn't an impressive singer or dancer. I find it strange that people say no other female vocalist could handle her songs because her voice wasn't exactly unique or strong. She had high quality music, but that's all thanks to Tim & Missy. Any other pretty light skinned girl could have filled her role as a vehicle for their music. It's amazing what a tragic death will do to someone's legacy. People are so quick to say that any comment that isn't complete praise is disrespectful when people have no problem critic zing other artists. I think she was an average singer, but a good dancer. Not the greatest dancer ever, but good. However, I will have to say it would take more than just a pretty girl to do the songs she did. There was a level of attitude/sassiness and that is what made her songs. Same thing with Janet. Her voice is average, though she is one of the best dancers. But you couldn't put an average singer in Janet's place and expect the songs to come out the same. It was her attitude/sassiness and emoition she brought to those tracks. She made those tracks hers and even though a person with better vocal abilities could technically sing them better, you wouldn't get the same results. The same applies to Britney, Madonna, Beyonce, Shania Twain, and Michael Jackson. Everybody can't do that. The people that can are able to have long-lasting careers in the music industry. Those that don't will fade. I understand what you're saying that her death made her overrated. However, I don't think people are trying to make her out to be the biggest star ever. I think her fans and the general public was very sad because he career was really starting to blossom before she died. Look at her career accomplishments from 1998 and on...she was getting there. But she didnt and the reason why is sad. Whether she would have sustained the success over time, we'll never know.
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Post by Sir Benji on Jan 8, 2009 15:08:39 GMT -5
i agree ^
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Post by cjay on Jan 8, 2009 15:21:26 GMT -5
and to continue with my opinion... I think people have a very limited defnition of a good singer. That definition usually has to do with range and power. That could be part of the equation. However, I firmly believe a good singer does not need power or range. I define a "good singer" as one who is able to effectively convey emotion of the song lyrics and mood of the beat. Also, can a singer express a range of emotions throughout their album? That is EXTREMELY important. Afterall, isnt that how we connect to a song?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 15:59:23 GMT -5
Aaliyah's death made her ridiculously overrated. She wasn't an impressive singer or dancer. I find it strange that people say no other female vocalist could handle her songs because her voice wasn't exactly unique or strong. She had high quality music, but that's all thanks to Tim & Missy. Any other pretty light skinned girl could have filled her role as a vehicle for their music. It's amazing what a tragic death will do to someone's legacy. People are so quick to say that any comment that isn't complete praise is disrespectful when people have no problem critic zing other artists.
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Post by siggy on Jan 8, 2009 20:11:06 GMT -5
and to continue with my opinion... I think people have a very limited defnition of a good singer. That definition usually has to do with range and power. That could be part of the equation. However, I firmly believe a good singer does not need power or range. I define a "good singer" as one who is able to effectively convey emotion of the song lyrics and mood of the beat. Also, can a singer express a range of emotions throughout their album? That is EXTREMELY important. Afterall, isnt that how we connect to a song?
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Post by johnm1120 on Jan 16, 2009 11:05:37 GMT -5
Today Aaliyah would've celebrated her 30th birthday.
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Post by theprophet on Jan 16, 2009 20:18:05 GMT -5
I think Aaliyah defined a generation and she was in her own lane. She had her own swagga, her own style, her own everything. Even though she didn't have the strongest voice, and wasn't as a good a dancer as Janet, she just had that X factor.
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Post by theprophet on Jan 25, 2009 0:32:30 GMT -5
Omg, a TON of new info is out on the upcoming movie and it sounds amazing. They're gonna talk about her marriage to R Kelly, and Timbaland and Missy are gonna be involved.
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Post by jamrock16 on Jan 25, 2009 0:40:33 GMT -5
Omg, a TON of new info is out on the upcoming movie and it sounds amazing. They're gonna talk about her marriage to R Kelly, and Timbaland and Missy are gonna be involved. Got any links/info to post? :)
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Post by theprophet on Jan 25, 2009 7:09:33 GMT -5
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Post by SHOOTER on Jan 25, 2009 17:04:59 GMT -5
It sounds like this movie will be an in-depth look into Aaliyah's personal life, which gives me hope that there's some compelling information for them to work with.
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Post by George on Jan 12, 2011 14:51:29 GMT -5
Her birthday is coming up this Sunday. Anyone here planning on a remembrance party?
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jan 12, 2011 15:19:59 GMT -5
I want to do something this year, since it's been 10 years since we've lost her.
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Post by Sir Benji on Jan 12, 2011 15:22:13 GMT -5
I heard her label was supposed to be putting out something we'll see.
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Post by George on Jan 12, 2011 15:30:54 GMT -5
I find it odd that her Aaliyah, One in a Million and I Care 4 U albums are out of print right now, except for those imported "re-release" editions.
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Post by tearsdryontheirown on Jan 12, 2011 18:02:03 GMT -5
One of the great talents to grace the music scene...she had something really special, something intangible that made her so alluring. She was one of the smoothest artists to emerge and nobody since her death has emerged and been as smooth or elegant or graceful as her. Do people get overrated after their death? I don't know. Artists like Aaliyah are taken for granted and envied and there are some bitter people.
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Post by Mic Technique on Jan 12, 2011 18:40:06 GMT -5
I find it odd that her Aaliyah, One in a Million and I Care 4 U albums are out of print right now, except for those imported "re-release" editions. I wonder myself. Instead of tarnishing her legacy w/ any more studio scraps, why not bring in revenue w/ the good ole classics? As insensitive as it may sound, her post-mortem career is very much alive & well. And, I mean, my 13 year-old copy of OIAM will not miraculously stop skipping...
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jan 12, 2011 18:40:34 GMT -5
She's dead.
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Post by Sir Benji on Jan 12, 2011 18:43:13 GMT -5
I find it odd that her Aaliyah, One in a Million and I Care 4 U albums are out of print right now, except for those imported "re-release" editions. I Care 4 U is still not availible, but both Aaliyah & OIAM are on AmazonMP3 and Aaliyah is also on iTunes but i wouldn't buy it from there because there are skips in the songs. Her albums definitely need to be re-issued physically.
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Post by God on Jan 12, 2011 19:05:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I also find it odd that her post- Age albums are still out of print.
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Post by elementd5 on Jan 12, 2011 21:10:45 GMT -5
I just love the music of this woman.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jan 13, 2011 2:29:15 GMT -5
Blackground has issues. They need to close down shop indefinitely.
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Post by bat1990 on Jan 13, 2011 18:15:37 GMT -5
Blackground has issues. They need to close down shop indefinitely. Agreed. I think her 3rd and final album wouldn't have been as successful had she lived to continue working with Blackground. "We Need a Resolution" didn't even make top 50 of the Hot 100, and that was coming off "Try Again."
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jan 13, 2011 18:16:52 GMT -5
LOL how am I just learning about how horrible Blackground is? Plz go away.
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Post by George on Jan 14, 2011 2:24:30 GMT -5
Blackground has issues. They need to close down shop indefinitely. Agreed. I think her 3rd and final album wouldn't have been as successful had she lived to continue working with Blackground. "We Need a Resolution" didn't even make top 50 of the Hot 100, and that was coming off "Try Again." Yeah, as terrific as the album was, it was falling down the charts before her death. And wasn't More Than a Woman supposed to be the 2nd single?
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